conceivably win that case and be found not guilty and stand trial for be found not guilty and stand trialfor similar be found not guilty and stand trial for similar charges in georgia and be found guilty there. so he could face two trials for the same crime and have two different outcomes. how does that work legally? it works— how does that work legally? it works illegally because of the fact that the charges are being brought— fact that the charges are being brought by different sovereigns. one is being brought— sovereigns. one is being brought by the federal governments. the others being brought— governments. the others being brought by the state government, so while people often — government, so while people often think of it, as anthony talked — often think of it, as anthony talked about, the scenario peorfle _ talked about, the scenario people are thinking, e.g., how come — people are thinking, e.g., how come that— people are thinking, e.g., how come that is not being tried twice — come that is not being tried twice to _ come that is not being tried twice to the same crime or what people — twice to the same crime or what people call a double jeopardy, and the — people call a double jeopardy, and the reason why it's knowledgeable of the and the reason — knowledgeable of the and the reason it's ok to do that because _ reason it's ok to do that because it is separate sovereigns. one sovereign is the federal government, one sovereign is the state government. if sovereign is the state government.- sovereign is the state covernment. ., , ., , government. if other states wanted to _ government. if other states wanted to bring _ government. if other states wanted to bring charges - government. if other states wanted to bring charges as | wanted to bring charges as well, donald trump could be arguing the same case multiple times? , ~ , times? yes, indeed laughter. that would _ times? yes, indeed laughter. that would be _ times? yes, indeed laughter. that would be an _ times? yes, indeed laughter. that would be an interesting . that would be an interesting scenario _ that would be an interesting scenario to see, yes. anthony, another difference _ scenario to see, yes. anthony, another difference between . scenario to see, yes. anthony, | another difference between the state and federal courts and how they will run the cases as we will have a lot more access, won't we, to what's going to happen at state level whenever thatis, happen at state level whenever that is, notwithstanding what shan wu said that it may not be before the election last year. that allows cameras into the courtroom is that we could see all of this play out if the case goes to trial in georgia on television, the way the oj trial was covered in the 19905. there is still the possibility that they could make an exception and allow cameras into the federal court room for these cases because this is such a national import, but there is no requirement that that be the case. in fact, most of the time that is not the case. i think already we have had kind of a behind—the—scenes pull back the curtain look at the proceedings in georgia that we did not even really get on any of the three previous indictments. we were there watching a camera follow the clerk walked down the hallways with the indictment in her hand, watched her walk into the courtroom and had to the judge, watched thejudge read courtroom and had to the judge, watched the judge read through it, sign it, handed back and go back the clock was typing on her keyboard behind glass windows. already we are seeing a little bit more of the machinery of justice than a little bit more of the machinery ofjustice than we even saw in his previous indictments and i think there is a benefit to that. the more transparency you get, honestly the better because as we have now discussed, there is a big segment of the american public thatis segment of the american public that is going to come into this with a considerable amount of suspicion that the system is up to get donald trump. the system is working against donald trump because the system used donald trump as a threat. the more sunshine, the more transparency, maybe it won't change their mind but maybe it'll make a little harder for conspiracy theories to circulate quite so quickly. speaking of cameras in the courtrooms we are sitting the live shop there from the courthouse where we are awaiting tony willis the district attorney there are to make a statement regarding all of the charges in the indictment against individuals and will cross laughed to that person as it happens. shan, on that as anthony south australia about the cameras in the courtroom whenever this gets to trial, is there an argument seeking to televise the visual cases filed? there are certainly an excellent argument and one that i would support, but the chances of that are very low. but the chances of that are very low— but the chances of that are ve low. ., . ., , very low. the federal 'udiciary with almost * very low. the federal 'udiciary with almost no h very low. the federaljudiciary with almost no exceptions - very low. the federaljudiciary| with almost no exceptions has continued to bar cameras in the courtroom _ continued to bar cameras in the courtroom and the chances of that _ courtroom and the chances of that being changed for these cases— that being changed for these cases involving trumps are particularly low because part of their— particularly low because part of their concerns would be a decision— of their concerns would be a decision that chiefjustice roberts would make because he had to— roberts would make because he had to administrative aspect of the federaljudiciary. one of their— the federaljudiciary. one of their big _ the federaljudiciary. one of their big concerns this they are worried unjustifiably so that cameras in the courtroom woutd — that cameras in the courtroom would contribute to an atmosphere of a circus atmosphere, judges, litigants playing — atmosphere, judges, litigants playing to the companies, so given— playing to the companies, so given that that is their concern, it is particularly unlikely— concern, it is particularly unlikely they would make an exception here because this is obviously— exception here because this is obviously probably the most publicised case in the history of the — publicised case in the history of the federal court system because _ of the federal court system because it involves a former president. i think the chances of that— president. i think the chances of that happening here are very low _ of that happening here are very low i_ of that happening here are very low. i think it should happen. ithink— low. i think it should happen. i think even when we saw during the pandemic the supreme court, beginning — the pandemic the supreme court, beginning to broadcast the arguments live on the radio was the big — arguments live on the radio was the big step for them, we're living — the big step for them, we're living in— the big step for them, we're living in a _ the big step for them, we're living in a 21st—century, i think— living in a 21st—century, i think people should realise and put pressure through the positives perhaps for the courts _ positives perhaps for the courts to allow visual broadcast of that —— representatives. it's important and as— representatives. it's important and as part of the 6january proceedings was the fact that it was— proceedings was the fact that it was something visual people. i'll it was something visual people. i'tt enter— it was something visual people. i'll enter up to their because the district attorney of fulton county fani willis is at the podium and about to speak. let's listen. thank you for joining us, i am let's listen. thank you for joining us, iam here let's listen. thank you for joining us, i am here with the prosecutors and investigators who have worked diligently on investigation of criminal attempts to interfere in the administration of george r's 2020 presidential election. today based on information developed by investigation, a fulton county grand jury returned a true bill of indictment, charging 19 individuals with violations of georgia law, arising from a criminal conspiracy to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in the state. the indictment includes 41 felony counts and is 97 pages long. please remember that everyone charged and this bill of indictment is presumed innocent. specifically, the indictment brings felony charges against donald john trump, rudolph william lewis giuliani, john charles eastman, mark randall medals, john cheeseburger, geoffrey clark, jenna lynn ellis, ray stallings smith the third, robert david shealy, michael k roman, davis james schaefer, sean michael tricia steele, stephen cliff gardens leavy, harrison william prescott floyd, trae viana see, sydney catherine powell, kathleen austin latham, scott graham hall, and mr hampton, also known as emily mr hayes. every individual charged in the indictment is charged with one count of violating georgia's racketeer influenced and corrupt organisations act, through participation in a criminal enterprise in fulton county, georgia and elsewhere to accomplish the illegal bowl of allowing donaldj trump to seize the presidential term of office beginning on 20 january 2021. specifically the participants in association took various actions in georgia and elsewhere to block the county of the votes of the presidential electors who were certified as the winners of georgia's 2020 general election. a5 georgia's 2020 general election. as you examine the indictment, you will see acts that are identified as over acts and those that are identified as predicate acts, sometimes called acts of racketeering activity. overt acts are not necessarily crimes under georgia law in isolation, but are alleged to be acts taken in furtherance of the conspiracy. many occurred in georgia and some occurred in otherjurisdictions and are included because the grand jury believes they were part of the illegal effort to overturn the results of georgia's 2020 presidential election. the acts identified as predicate acts or acts of racketeering activity are crimes that are alleged to have been committed in furtherance of the criminal enterprise. acts of racketeering activity also charged as separate accounts in the indictment against those who are alleged to have committed them. all elections in our nation are administered by the states which are given the responsibility of ensuring a fair process and an accurate accounting of the votes. that includes elections for presidential electors, congress, state officials, and local offices. the state's role in this process is essential to the functioning of our democracy. georgia, like every state, has laws but allows those who believe that results of an election are wrong, whether because of intentional wrongdoing or unintentional error, to challenge those results in our state courts. the indictment alleges that rather than abide by georgia's legal process for election challenges, the defendants engaged in a criminal racketeering enterprise to overturn georgia's presidential election result. subsequent to the indictment as is the normal process in georgia law, the grand jury issued arrest warrants for those who are charged. i am giving the defendants the opportunity to voluntarily surrender no later than noon on friday the 25th day of august, 2023. i remind everyone here that indictment is only a series of allegations based on a grand jury's determination of probable cause to support the charges. it is now the duty of my office to prove these charges in the indictment beyond a reasonable doubt at trial. i would like to take a moment to think the superior court clerk chez alexander and her staff for staying late and making sure the indictment was processed. i would also like to take the man and woman of sheriff office for keeping the courthouse open but most importantly for keeping us safe over the weeks and months that have adopted this indictment and thought i know they will continue to do to keep us safe. we also want to thank the atlanta police department and other law enforcement partners who have worked with the sheriff keep us safe. i will now take a very limited number of questions prior to going to sleep. laughter. reporter: can you clarify in georgia — reporter: can you clarify in georgia the _ reporter: can you clarify in georgia the mandatory- reporter: can you clarify in - georgia the mandatory minimum when _ georgia the mandatory minimum when it— georgia the mandatory minimum when it comes _ georgia the mandatory minimum when it comes to _ georgia the mandatory minimum when it comes to rico _ georgia the mandatory minimum when it comes to rico charges, i when it comes to rico charges, probation. _ when it comes to rico charges, probation. how— when it comes to rico charges, probation, how that _ when it comes to rico charges, probation, how that might - when it comes to rico charges, probation, how that might play| probation, how that might play out? _ probation, how that might play out? . ., , out? the rico charges has time out? the rico charges has time you must _ out? the rico charges has time you must serve _ out? the rico charges has time you must serve so _ out? the rico charges has time you must serve so it _ out? the rico charges has time you must serve so it is - out? the rico charges has time you must serve so it is not - out? the rico charges has time you must serve so it is not a i you must serve so it is not a probated sentence. reporter: what is the _ probated sentence. reporter: what is the time. _ probated sentence. reporter: what is the time. the _ probated sentence. reporter: what is the time. the child? i probated sentence. reporter: what is the time. the child? -- timetable- _ what is the time. the child? -- timetable. as _ what is the time. the child? -- timetable. as you know in this jurisdiction trials are set by judges so it'll be the judge that sets the date of the trial. the office will be submitted the proposed scheduling order this week but that will totally be at the discretion of the judge. the discretion of the 'udge. the fourth discretion of the judge. the fourthjurisdiction to discretion of the judge. the fourth jurisdiction to enter donald _ fourth jurisdiction to enter donald trump. will you try —— witt— donald trump. will you try —— will you — donald trump. will you try —— will you try— donald trump. will you try —— will you try him? i donald trump. will you try -- will you try him?— will you try him? i don't have a desire to — will you try him? i don't have a desire to be _ will you try him? i don't have a desire to be first _ will you try him? i don't have a desire to be first or - will you try him? i don't have a desire to be first or last. i i a desire to be first or last. i want to try him and the respect would also run service. we want to move the catalogues we will ask for a proposed order that occurs a trial date in the next six months. reporter: earlier today there was a fictitious document circulated online with charges against former president donald trump, that fictitious document matched exactly the charges that we now see in this indictment.— that we now see in this indictment. ., , ., , indictment. can you tell us more about _ indictment. can you tell us more about that _ indictment. can you tell us more about that documentj indictment. can you tell us - more about that document leak, because — more about that document leak, because now you have former president's lawyers saying this is symptomatic of a serious problem _ is symptomatic of a serious problem with the office. | problem with the office. can't problem with the office. i can't tell you anything about what you referred to, we had a grand jury that deliberated until almost eight o'clock and an indictment was returned, you now have an indictment. i am not an expert on the duties of clicks or even administrative duties, i would clicks or even administrative duties, iwould not clicks or even administrative duties, i would not know how to work that system so i am not going to speculate. next question reporter: have you talked to the special counsel about the overlap between these cases? do i intend to try the 19 defendants, yes. reporter: have ou 19 defendants, yes. reporter: have you had — 19 defendants, yes. reporter: have you had any _ 19 defendants, yes. reporter: have you had any contact - 19 defendants, yes. reporter: have you had any contact with i have you had any contact with the special counsel? i�*m have you had any contact with the special counsel?— the special counsel? i'm not auoin to the special counsel? i'm not going to discuss _ the special counsel? i'm not going to discuss our - going to discuss our investigation at this time. reporter: what you think about the comments from president trump — the comments from president trump that these are politically motivated indictments. | politically motivated indictments.- politically motivated indictments. w . , ., , indictments. i make decisions on the facts — indictments. i make decisions on the facts of _ indictments. i make decisions on the facts of the _ indictments. i make decisions on the facts of the law, - indictments. i make decisions on the facts of the law, the i on the facts of the law, the law is completely non—partisan, to date this office is not has indicted 12,000 cases, this is the 11th rico indictment, we follow the same process we look at the facts, the law and we bring charges.— at the facts, the law and we bring charges. reporter: will ou t bring charges. reporter: will you try this _ bring charges. reporter: will you try this case _ bring charges. reporter: will you try this case yourself? - you try this case yourself? reporter: has the jury been cleared? _ reporter: has the 'ury been cleared? . , reporter: has the 'ury been cleared? ., , ., cleared? that is the fulton county da _ cleared? that is the fulton county da fani _ cleared? that is the fulton county da fani willis - cleared? that is the fulton county da fani willis in i county da fani willis in atlanta, georgia, she hasjust outlined the indictment that she has bought against former president donald day charm and 18 other individuals, and indictment she said contains 41 and 97 pages. making of course the important point that everyone charged here is presumed innocent at this point in time. everyone she said all of those 19 individuals faced one count of violating the rico act,. anthony, some of the language dda used very strong, talking about these individuals part a criminal conspiracy to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election through their participation in a criminal organisation to accomplish the illegal goal as she put it of allowing donald trump to seize the presidential office in january 2021. trump to seize the presidential office injanuary 2021. very strong language? office in january 2021. very strong language?— office in january 2021. very strong language? she went out of her way _ strong language? she went out of her way to — strong language? she went out of her way to say _ strong language? she went out of her way to say georgia - strong language? she went out of her way to say georgia does | of her way to say georgia does have laws that allow individuals to legally challenge the election results, that they can bring cases in court, they have a process there, and she emphasised that was not what happened here. what happened here was that donald trump and his 18 co—defendant engaged in a criminal conspiracy, that they committed crimes in order to try to overturn those election results when they did have a process that they could have followed if they thought there was evidence of fraud. and in fact that was followed to some extent, there were hand recounts that the leaders of the republican party that were running the state of georgia followed in order to do audits, to make sure there was no evidence of any kind of miss count evidence of fraud, and there was investigations of that legal process, ended up affirming joe biden won the state of georgia. something else noteworthy out of this is why we do not know what the trial date is going to be, she said that all of the defendants charged in this case have until noon, a week from friday, august 25, to present themselves to face arraignment. we were wondering what the timeline was going to be for when donald trump might have to go to georgia to show up to be booked the way he has been booked the way he has been booked in these last three indictments, now we know, it will happen either this week or the end of next week. she said also on the _ the end of next week. she said also on the issue _ the end of next week. she said also on the issue of— the end of next week. she said also on the issue of the - also on the issue of the timetable she would be hoping for a trial date within six months, but that it is up to thejudge to decide months, but that it is up to the judge to decide that. that is just further the judge to decide that. that isjust further stopping the judge to decide that. that is just further stopping the schedule for the former schedule for the former schedule into next year's election campaign. she would not talk about _ election campaign. she would not talk about whether - election campaign. she would not talk about whether she i election campaign. she would. not talk about whether she had taught to jackson at the special counsel or not, there would have to be some kind of co—ordination because both of these cases are dealing with similar issues, the attempt to turn over the january election, there would have to be some communication before this moves forward. ,, . ~ communication before this moves forward. ,, ., . ., forward. sian weir, former federal prosecution - forward. sian weir, former federal prosecution is - forward. sian weir, former federal prosecution is still| forward. sian weir, former i federal prosecution is still on the line with us, on the point that anthony max, how much co—ordination with their be between these legal teams before the indictment? it would mostl as before the indictment? it would mostly as anthony _ before the indictment? it would mostly as anthony said - before the indictment? it would mostly as anthony said be - before the indictment? it would mostly as anthony said be a - mostly as anthony said be a scheduling issue, they could theoretically co—ordinate a lot, they could have co—ordinated beforehand because especially parallel federal and state investigations are happening where they are working together, that is not apparently the case here these have been very separate. the co—ordination would be more a matter of scheduling in terms of who wants to go, who gets to go first. i will tell you that historically that is not always a very smooth negotiation. there has been a history of state da is basically having a disagreement with the federal prosecutors, wanting to try their case first. generally i would say prosecutors like to go first with a state or federal, they will have to co—ordinate, it will not necessarily be that easy on the co—ordination to make. i was also struck by her timetable saying she will propose a six—month schedule which i think is a very aggressive approach. think is a very aggressive approach-— think is a very aggressive auroach. ., . ., , approach. some of the charges there, approach. some of the charges there. as _ approach. some of the charges there, as rico _ approach. some of the charges there, as rico act _ approach. some of the charges there, as rico act outlined - there, as rico act outlined referred to actually see that had taken place in other jurisdictions notjust georgia but the grand jury had decided it was a part of this conspiracy, so she was able to prosecute those cases all those acts as well as part of this. how unusual is that? it’s acts as well as part of this. how unusual is that? it's not unusual and _ how unusual is that? it's not unusual and one _ how unusual is that? it's not unusual and one thing - how unusual is that? it's not unusual and one thing she i how unusual is that? it's not i unusual and one thing she was explaining was that the acts themselves are not necessarily individual culpable crimes but they are part of steps towards they are part of steps towards the conspiracy, and so the fact they may have occurred outside of georgia but they have the effect within georgia of furthering the criminal conspiracy, that is why she is able to go outside of that she is not prosecuting someone in new york state was something they did there under a new law —— new york law and trying to bring them into georgia law, it was because those at affected the overall charge happening in georgia which is trying to interfere with georgia election process. interfere with georgia election rocess. ~ ., , ., ., ~ interfere with georgia election rocess. ~ ., .,~ ., process. what did you make of all of what _ process. what did you make of all of what she _ process. what did you make of all of what she was _ process. what did you make of all of what she was saying - process. what did you make of all of what she was saying in l all of what she was saying in terms of the strong language she was using about a criminal organisation to accomplish the illegal goal of allowing donald trump to seize the presidential office? . , trump to seize the presidential office? ., , ., ., ., office? there was a great deal office? there was a great deal of passion _ office? there was a great deal of passion and _ office? there was a great deal of passion and her _ office? there was a great deal of passion and her tone - office? there was a great deal of passion and her tone but i office? there was a great deal. of passion and her tone but she was not really saying anything that was inflammatory because essentially that is the language of the statute itself, using the terms criminal enterprise, and i think that's exactly what is being alleged here, and they have the evidence thus far to back it up at the probable cause stage, it is something america will have to get used to is hearing this kind of language, talking about now not only a former president being charged criminally, undertaking criminal acts, but also very high ranking former government officials like rudy giuliani someone who had been the mayor of new york, number three of the justice department, that is the proper way to refer to the matter as criminal defendants and it is proper to say they are alleged to have participated in a criminal enterprise. {lari to have participated in a criminal enterprise. of course, another name _ criminal enterprise. of course, another name on _ criminal enterprise. of course, another name on the - criminal enterprise. of course, another name on the list - criminal enterprise. of course, another name on the list on i another name on the list on that point is the former president's attorney, john eastman as well.- president's attorney, john - eastman as well.- the eastman as well. exactly. the da fani willis _ eastman as well. exactly. the da fani willis said _ eastman as well. exactly. the da fani willis said it - eastman as well. exactly. the da fani willis said it was - eastman as well. exactly. the da fani willis said it was her. da fani willis said it was her intention to try all of the 19 defendants together, that is going to be a logistically quite the feet? it going to be a logistically quite the feet?— going to be a logistically quite the feet? it will be, it has been — quite the feet? it will be, it has been done _ quite the feet? it will be, it has been done before. - quite the feet? it will be, it | has been done before. there quite the feet? it will be, it - has been done before. there are gang situations when you can have multiple dependence —— defendants in a courtroom and it requires some logistics to be put in place. the bigger challenge with trying them together is what i would expect the defence strategy to be, which is to try to break it up. there will be arguments to say it is prejudicial to have them all sitting there together, also the mammoth scheduling issues so there will be a lot of pumps to get over in terms of pumps to get over in terms of being able to bring all nine of being able to bring all nine of these people together at the same time. in terms of the logistics that is doable. sorry for interrupting _ logistics that is doable. sorry for interrupting and - logistics that is doable. sorry for interrupting and thank i logistics that is doable. sorry| for interrupting and thank you for interrupting and thank you for sharing your thoughts with us and to our north america corresponded, anthony circa. thank you forjoining us and stay with us here on bbc news. hello there. there were certainly winners and losers with monday's weather. morning cloud gradually broke up and infact, newquay, cornwall, it was warm enough to venture out to the beach into the afternoon. it was a different story across parts of north wales and northern england. in fact, we saw over two inches of rain, 60 millimetres of rain in some places and it was a pretty dismal day. now that low pressure is gradually drifting its way eastwards off into the north sea, allowing this ridge of high pressure to build. so a much quieter start to the story for tuesday. there will be some sunny spells as we go through the day. a few scattered showers will tend to develop particularly heavy ones across parts of southern scotland and north—east england, maybe with the odd rumble of thunder. but certainly with more sunshine and lighter winds, it will feel a little warmer. top temperatures possibly as high as 2a degrees, 75 fahrenheit. now, as we go through tuesday evening, we'll continue to see some clearing skies, some patchy mist and fog will form. some of it dense in places and quite stubborn to lift away. it will be a relatively mild start to wednesday morning, with temperatures widely into the low to mid—teens. high pressure is going to build as we go through the day on wednesday. so once we've got rid of those misty, murky conditions, first thing in the morning, a few scattered showers perhaps across scotland and northeast england, but on the whole, dry, settled and sunny foremost and a little warmer as well. we could see temperatures peaking at 25 celsius. that's 77 fahrenheit. warmer still as we go into thursday, a lot of dry, settled, sunny weather once again across england and wales. some patchy coastal mist and murk may be lingering in the far south—west, but temperatures could peak once again widely into the mid 205. maybe one or two spots in the south—east could see temperatures into the high 205. and that's because we're going to continue to tap into some warmth that's coming up from the near continent, not the extreme heat that they have been seeing, but certainly as we head towards friday, we'll see an increasing spell of heat and humidity. but at the same time, it comes with a caveat as this weather front pushes in from the west on friday, it could trigger off some sharp and thundery downpours as it continues to track its way steadily east. live from london, this is bbc news. former us president donald trump is charged with attempting to overturn his 2020 election loss in the state of georgia. officials in hawaii confirm the death toll from the devasting wildfires has risen to 99. the personal details of thousands of police in northern ireland is in the hands of dissident republican groups after an accidental data breach. in buenos aires, far—right populist javier milei rocks argentina's political establishment, coming first in the presidential primaries. we take a look at the man behind the votes. very good morning to you. prosecutors in the us state of georgia have charged donald trump with trying to overturn the results of the last presidential election. the former president is facing 13 counts including racketeering, solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer and conspiracy. the indictment document says mr trump knowingly and willinglyjoined a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election in georgia and elsewhere.

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