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Lets bring in our North America correspondent anthony zurcher. It has been a very long day, the grand jury proceeding going on for hours and things are not over yet at the courthouse. Flat over yet at the courthouse. Not over yet at the courthouse. Not over et over yet at the courthouse. Iirrt over yet although we are getting indication that we could have those indictments that you mentioned, ten indictments, we dont know who they are what they cover but they are what they cover but they will be unsealed, publicly released sometime in the next two hours and at that point, the mystery will be over, we will look into it and steve donald trump is invited, or any associates of him, like rudy giuliani, if they are included and what kind of crimes they are charged with. Obviously in the investigation was on attempts to influence or overturn the results of the 2020 election in georgia but did they use a Racketeering Law which has a 20 Year Prison Sentence as part of a criminal enterprise that donald trump and his associates could have been involved in or individual crimes they pick out and decide to charge with stop all of these things have been speculated on and subject to a lot of discussion but we will find out definitively here within the next few hours. Weve seen a number of witnesses going in and out of the courthouse all day, most of them didnt stop to talk to reporters. The former Lieutenant Governor did. He said he had been giving evidence for over an hour. Can we distil anything from what he said . ,. , we distil anything from what he said . ,. , said . Some of the people going in and out. Said . Some of the people going in and out. A said . Some of the people going in and out, a journalist said . Some of the people going in and out, a journalist was in and out, a journalist was going in to get information, this full selective scheme where donald trump and his associates were trying to put a different slate of president ial electors who were going to claim that donald trump one georgia, put forward in order to cast doubt on the results of the election there. We dont know exactly who will testify. There were apparently ten people slated to testify today and tomorrow. All the people said they were to go in tomorrow, disclosing that would be involved, they ended up coming in today including blue tenant governor. It felt like things are being accelerated a bit. When i heard seven of them had gone in, they could be that, thejury decided had gone in, they could be that, the jury decided theyd heard enough and they were ready to vote on this matter. It will be interesting to see who the key witnesses in this case are, however. Me who the key witnesses in this case are, however. Who the key witnesses in this case are, however. We can find out a bit more case are, however. We can find out a bit more about case are, however. We can find out a bit more about how case are, however. We can findj out a bit more about how grand jury out a bit more about how grand jury � s work. Live now to sarah krissoff, Formerfederal Prosecutor for the Southern District of new york. Anthony has been discussing their about how quickly things proceeded. We are expecting two days and it sped up into one day. Is that something you had experience of as a federal prosecutor yourself, that things move a bit quicker than planned . Things move a bit quicker than lanned . ~ , planned . Frankly in my experience planned . Frankly in my experience in planned . Frankly in my experience in a planned . Frankly in my experience in a grand l planned . Frankly in my i experience in a grand jury, things move slower than planned so clearly somebody is doing a good job here in the District Attorney office but i think the grand jury should have heard what they needed to hear. Apparently they were ready to go. It sounds like the reporting coming from the witnesses before the grand jury, very back and forth process whether grand jurors were asking questions, they are involved in the presentation of evidence. Apparently they heard what they need to hear and are ready to move forward and champing at the bit to do so. The clerk in the courthouse there had said that in a worst Case Scenario it would take over three hours to process the documents. Just what is going on at the moment . You a lot of this is putting those materials and the systems, to the extent that there are indictments, they have to be lodged. I have to be lodged. All of that is a really mechanical process of entering the information in the system, making sure and any supporting documents that need to be filed along with those materials, so its really an administrative process they want to make sure they get it right. They dont want any of us to do that, they will take their time to make sure all that stuff is filed appropriately. fist sure all that stuff is filed appropriately. Sure all that stuff is filed appropriately. At what point will they inform appropriately. At what point will they inform those appropriately. At what point i will they inform those involved in indictments, be it the former president , any of his personal attorneys or anyone else, when will they find out . Its interesting how this is unfolding in the news, real time updates from the courthouse in the cloak and the judge, everyone involved in the process here. I judge, everyone involved in the process here. Process here. I would expect. They will process here. I would expect. They will reach process here. I would expect. They will reach out process here. I would expect. They will reach out to process here. I would expect. They will reach out to council| they will reach out to council for the people who are charged. I see most if not all of them already have council and inform them of the charges. They may be very well aware of whats to come. ~ �. , come. Were looking at live ictures come. Were looking at live pictures the come. Were looking at live pictures the moment come. Were looking at live pictures the moment from | pictures the moment from inside, from inside the Fulton County courthouse, on the clocks department where those dockets are being processed. Anthony i suppose thats something its kind of unusual about this whole process, all of these indictments and arraignments. We have seen the inner workings of the american justice system. Justice system. There were cameras justice system. There were cameras following justice system. There were cameras following the justice system. There were | cameras following the cloak justice system. There were cameras following the cloak as she walked through the courtroom to go to her office and courtroom to go to her office and type courtroom to go to her office and type something up. You could and type something up. You could see her sitting there through could see her sitting there through the Window Typing and she got through the Window Typing and she got up and walked down the hallway. She got up and walked down the hallway, to where the courtroom was and hallway, to where the courtroom was and handed it to the judge. There was and handed it to the judge. There were cameras in the courtroom with the judge sat there courtroom with the judge sat there. And thanks for the reporters awaiting around, that it was reporters awaiting around, that it was a reporters awaiting around, that it was a meeting they hoped it would it was a meeting they hoped it would be it was a meeting they hoped it would be. And there are going to be would be. And there are going to be cameras in this trial. That to be cameras in this trial. That could be different from what that could be different from what will happen in new york and in what will happen in new york and in these two federal cases so it and in these two federal cases so it could be a very public look so it could be a very public look at so it could be a very public look at a so it could be a very public look at a high profile trial in a way look at a high profile trial in a way we look at a high profile trial in a way we havent had Something Like this a way we havent had Something Like this before. We a way we havent had Something Like this before. Like this before. We can bring ou like this before. We can bring you Something Like this before. We can bring you something from like this before. We can bring you something from the like this before. We can bring l you something from the Donald Trump Campaign team were just issued a statement in response to what is happening in georgia and it read, they are taking away president trumpmy First Amendment right to free speech and challenge a read and stolen election that the democrats do all the time. The ones who should be prosecuted are the ones who created the corruption. That is a position the former president has maintained throughout all of these Legal Proceedings . This is partisan. These Legal Proceedings . This is partisan, and these Legal Proceedings . Ti 3 is partisan, and attempt to punish Dominant Humphreys politics because they dont agree with his politics, calling it a witch hunt. The prosecutors, bring these charges, parties and actors, not an interest ofjustice. Another thing the trump statement has said is the charges were delayed by two years in order to have the most impact on the election. An attempt in their view to prevent donald trump from having a successful bid to win back the white house, but this was time for that. These investigations do take time and had been ongoing and particularly for the federal investigation, a lot of that waited for lower level prosecutions and congress which conducted its own hearings and investigations the Justice Department moved. Sarah, on that Issue Department moved. Sarah, on that issue of department moved. Sarah, on that issue of timing, department moved. Sarah, on that issue of timing, we had. That issue of timing, we had statements from a number of republican lawmakers today who are calling for a speedy resolution of all of these Legal Proceedings. Is that the correct approach to take . That might be the correct political approach to take that as a defence attorney, i would caution any client against that. ,. , that. Sometimes there are strategic that. Sometimes there are strategic reasons that. Sometimes there are strategic reasons to that. Sometimes there are strategic reasons to push i that. Sometimes there are i strategic reasons to push the case strategic reasons to push the case forward as a defendant. Often case forward as a defendant. Often there are strategic reasons to make the case last a little reasons to make the case last a little bit reasons to make the case last a little bit longer and sometimes you just little bit longer and sometimes you just need time to adequately prepare for any trial adequately prepare for any trial in adequately prepare for any trial in the matter. Here, the former trial in the matter. Here, the former president is dealing with former president is dealing with what looks like for criminal indictments, regardless of whether you are the former president or not, its going the former president or not, its going to be very difficult for his its going to be very difficult for his team to really put together a defence for all those together a defence for all those matters simultaneously. We should point out the former president has pleaded not guilty to all of the previous charges, and those previous three arraignments. We are waiting the text of those indictments are were not sure what charges will be brought against him orany what charges will be brought against him or any other individuals in his entourage. Looking at live pictures from outside Fulton County courthouse in atlanta and there is a heavy Security Presence there. The former George Lou Tennant Governorjeff duncan said in all his time working there in the nearby capitol building, hes never seen such a presence. It says they about whats at stake. He put tweets or posts telling witnesses not to testify before this grand jury. To testify before this grand u. ~. To testify before this grand jury. We have a new york indictment jury. We have a new york indictment was jury. We have a new york indictment was calling jury. We have a new york indictment was calling for jury. We have a new york indictment was calling for his supporters to get out and protest and to object what he views as a miscarriage of justice. Tensions are high although in the past three indictments, three indictments under the belt. The peers, the talk of massive protests and unrest in the streets, those have never panned out stop is definitely an abundance of caution in georgia and atlanta and they dont want to be caught flat footed in case something happens because if you look at what happened on january six, part of the problem with the attack on the capital, Law Enforcement was not prepared for the scope of what happened. Anyone at this pointjust what happened. Anyone at this point just wants to what happened. Anyone at this pointjust wants to be caught not in that kind of mistake again so you see georgia is doing everything they can to make sure everyone there is safe and there have been threats against individuals, prosecutors, Election Workers after the 2020 election. Witnesses as well. That give pause to big particularly careful. W. Careful. Sarah, when might we see the arraignment careful. Sarah, when might we see the Arraignment Taking see the Arraignment Taking place once we get the text of these indictments . I place once we get the text of these indictments . These indictments . I think thats a few these indictments . I think thats a few days these indictments . I think thats a few days down these indictments . I thinkj thats a few days down the road thats a few days down the road its thats a few days down the road. Its hard to imagine anyone road. Its hard to imagine anyone can physically get themselves to the courthouse tomorrow. I would expect over the week, tomorrow. I would expect over the week, Those Arraignments Will He the week, those arraignments will be scheduled in an orderly fashion will be scheduled in an orderly fashion. We expect were going to multiple individuals charged. Those arrangements could charged. Those arrangements could proceed together or separately. But over the course of this separately. But over the course of this week. Of this week. The situation here in georgia of this week. The situation here in georgia is of this week. The situation here in georgia is a of this week. The situation here in georgia is a bit here in georgia is a bit different to those indictments. This is at a state level. What difference will it make. Weve seen some of that today. We have more insight into the process because the state court is allowing reporters in. Allowing their officials to speak allowing their officials to speak to reporters throughout the process, sol speak to reporters throughout the process, so i think were going the process, so i think were going to the process, so i think were going to have a window into what going to have a window into what happens on this minute by minute what happens on this minute by minute basis that we really do dont minute basis that we really do dont have federal proceedings. There dont have federal proceedings. There has dont have federal proceedings. There has been some suggestion that the there has been some suggestion that the prosecutor here is perhaps that the prosecutor here is perhaps going to use the anti racketeering act and Anti Corruption active. Racketeering act and anticorruption active. What would that anticorruption active. What would that mean anticorruption active. What would that mean for anticorruption active. What would that mean for the anticorruption active. What. Would that mean for the former president . This would that mean for the former president . President . As i understand it, the georgia president . As i understand it, the georgia racketeering the georgia racketeering statute is even broader than the federal statute. Really trying the federal statute. Really trying to bring together lots of disparate crimes, predicate crimes, of disparate crimes, predicate crimes, they call them, to tie them crimes, they call them, to tie them together into a narrative. The former president would face pretty the former president would face pretty steep penalties under the statute so it is a way to tell the statute so it is a way to tell a the statute so it is a way to tell a story i think that will be pretty compelling to the jury~ and that is a point. We have seen the former president unfazed to so far by former indictments, if he is emboldened. Indictments, if he is emboldened. , indictments, if he is emboldened. , emboldened. He has fund raised of them and emboldened. He has fund raised of them and if emboldened. He has fund raised of them and if you emboldened. He has fund raised of them and if you look emboldened. He has fund raised of them and if you look at emboldened. He has fund raised of them and if you look at the i of them and if you look at the fundraising over the course of this year, there is definitely a spy this year, there is definitely a spy, at least in the early indictments when they came through. If you look at his Pulse Standings, his Pulse Standings after the indictments, he expanded his lead over the second place candidate, Florida Governor ron desantis, whether that dynamic desa ntis, whether that dynamic would desantis, whether that dynamic would have happened anyway or if it happened because of the indictments, d certainly did not hurt his approval among Republican Voters and they are rallying around the candidate because they view him as being embattled and faced off agai

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