Seeing too many showers, there will be some, possibly heavy and thundery but i think there will be a few paces towards the south east which stay pretty much dry. It is going to be windy, particularly around some western coasts, temperatures a mere 100 hours later, after Legionella Bacteria was found on the barge. Is this an ignomious end to rishi sunak� s big migrant week . Can the government put this disastrous week behind them and reboot their Migrant Policies . Joe pikes been taking soundings from inside government. And well be joined by the former austalian Foreign Minister who wrote a review of britains border policy and labours shadow immigration minister. Also tonight. In the latest episode of our good newsnight strand, mark examines how germany weaned itself off russian gas in double quick time, contributed to the falling price of energy and avoided this. Well, catastrophe. I mean, european crisis, the shutdown of much of Central European industrial and manufacturing production, then causing Supply Shortages elsewhere. That didnt happen, which is quite extraordinary. And its exactly 50 years tonight that hip hop was born in the bronx. The multi talented founder of a tribe called quest, ali shaheed muhammad, celebrates its birthday on his birthday, talking to newsnight about how hip hop conquered the mainstream. It became a place for people to have an identity and to feel important and to know that they had a lot of value and worth in who they are. Good evening. At 5 30pm tonight, the sight of the last of the 39 migrants disembarking the barge Bibby Stockholm after traces of Legionella Bacteria were found in the water system, was certainly not the end to the governments heralded small boats week it would have wanted. The home office say the welfare of Asylum Seekers remains of the utmost priority and that they and their contractors are following all protocol and advice from Dorset CouncilsEnvironmental Health team. There has been one malfunction after another, some political, others practical, involving everything from four star hotels to a Deputy Conservative Party chairman, not on message. To add to that, after windy conditions at the start of the week, fine weather Yesterday And Today brought 1,094 migrants across the channel. So where does this leave both the policy and the governments strategy of bigging up its self styled progress on migrants with its small boats week. Joes here. What has been happening . There is certainly frustration what has been happening . There is certainly frustration within certainly frustration within government towards number 10 for framing this as small boats week with one government source telling me, some of this week was unpredictable but some was eminently foreseeable. I dont think you can plan for Legionella Bacteria being found on the Bibby Stockholm but you can expect large numbers of people crossing the channel this type of year which is why we had this new 2023 record of 755 people crossing yesterday and it is also the week where the number over the last five years has topped 100,000 but the response from number 10 and sources i spoke to remained bullish, arguing that we could have ignored this policy issue but they say, we are going to show the public we are on their side and hammering or parts of their side and hammering or parts of the system to make the difference. They point to their turkey deal to try to tackle gangs, the effort to tackle what they would characterise as crooked lawyers but also their legal migration legislation pronto so where is labour on all this today . They say they have their own five point plan for this recognition within the party that they need to provide more detail on it and we expect more from keir starmer next month, not necessarily untold from his team some new policy to be unveiled but far more detail. There seems to be a recognition that perhaps labour are ahead in the polls largely because of the government position rather than their alternatives and im told that a Shadow Cabinet Ministers have been told ahead of their conference to approach their speeches with the thought, if not them, why us ie, if not the conservatives, why us . What is our alternative . We need to give more information. Im told in the Bibby Stockholm it will be a minimum of weeks before the migrant are back on that and the big set piece this autumn will surely be the Supreme Court battle over rwanda deportations. We expect a hearing in october in a judgment to be brought in november or december. Thank october in ajudgment to be brought in november or december. Thank you very much in a moment ill talk to labours shadow immigration minister, stephen kinnock, but first im joined by alexander downer, the former Australian Foreign secretary and author of that countrys controversial offshore migrant processing policy, and who advised the uk government on its border policy last year. Good evening to both of you. Alexander downer, wasnt this a shambolic end to rishi sunak� s big migration week . I shambolic end to rishi sunaks big migration week . Migration week . I think there are alwa s migration week . I think there are always details migration week . I think there are always details that migration week . I think there are always details that go migration week . I think there are always details that go wrong. I always details that go wrong. Thats a pretty big detail. Its thats a pretty big detail. Its ust a thats a pretty big detail. Its just a detail thats a pretty big detail. It� s just a detail and in the flock of time it will be quickly forgotten. But the really important issue for them is to get the rwanda scheme going. And if they can win in the Supreme Court and can implement the rwanda scheme, then im very confident that will have the same effect as the narrow scheme had in australia and that will stop these dangerous journeys across the channel. Dangerous ourneys across the channel. , dangerous ourneys across the channel. ,. Channel. The nauru scheme. The government channel. The nauru scheme. The government is channel. The nauru scheme. The government is looking channel. The nauru scheme. The government is looking for channel. The nauru scheme. The government is looking for five channel. The nauru scheme. The government is looking for five or. Government is looking for five or six more barges so in yourfuture they abandoned that idea and stick to what they want to do in terms of army camps and so forth . I to what they want to do in terms of army camps and so forth . Army camps and so forth . I dont think barges army camps and so forth . I dont think barges are army camps and so forth . I dont think barges are an army camps and so forth . I dont think barges are an issue, army camps and so forth . I dont think barges are an issue, i army camps and so forth . I dont think barges are an issue, i cant| think barges are an issue, i cant see why there is any controversy about barges, as long as they are reasonably civilised, they dont have to be luxurious, but as long as they are reasonably civilised, that would be fine. They have got to put the people somewhere and a comfortable barge which is good enough for workers on all rigs is going to be fine. Going to be fine. There will be children there going to be fine. There will be children there as going to be fine. There will be children there as well. Going to be fine. There will be | children there as well. Exactly, thats fine children there as well. Exactly, thats fine. Returning children there as well. Exactly, thats fine. Returning to children there as well. Exactly, thats fine. Returning to what l children there as well. Exactly, i thats fine. Returning to what you said, thats fine. Returning to what you said. These thats fine. Returning to what you said, these are thats fine. Returning to what you said, these are mere thats fine. Returning to what you said, these are mere details, thats fine. Returning to what you said, these are mere details, youj said, these are mere details, you are a former adviser to Home Secretary priti patel so should there be a sharper focus and should that focus all be on rwanda . Lilo. There be a sharper focus and should that focus all be on rwanda . No, im not sure about that focus all be on rwanda . No, im not sure about that that focus all be on rwanda . No, im not sure about that because that focus all be on rwanda . No, im not sure about that because there not sure about that because there are Different Things you have to do. One of the challenges the government has is the processing of Asylum Claims. I know there is a backlog there but it is very complicated process to try establish the genuineness of individual claims that people make a persecution. Make more safe routes that people make a persecution. Make more safe routes then . That people make a persecution. Make more safe routes then . You that people make a persecution. Make more safe routes then . You still more safe routes then . You still have to process more safe routes then . You still have to process the more safe routes then . You still have to process the claims, more safe routes then . You still have to process the claims, no l have to process the claims, no Matter Routes you have, you still have to have a system of processing the claims and that can be very time consuming and difficult and so while they are being processed, you have to hows people somewhere. And if you are taking up hotels in country towns, you are going to destroy the tourist trade. 50 towns, you are going to destroy the tourist trade. Tourist trade. So its a bad idea . You have got tourist trade. So its a bad idea . You have got to tourist trade. So its a bad idea . You have got to find tourist trade. So its a bad idea . You have got to find a tourist trade. So its a bad idea . You have got to find a solution. I tourist trade. So its a bad idea . I you have got to find a solution. You think the whole you have got to find a solution. You think the whole hotels has been not of the best . Lilo. Think the whole hotels has been not of the best . Of the best . No, i think it is going to be better of the best . No, i think it is going to be better to of the best . No, i think it is going to be better to use of the best . No, i think it is going to be better to use a of the best . No, i think it is going to be better to use a decent of the best . No, i think it is going to be better to use a decent barge as long as the water on it is ok you supported the rwanda policy but you are the architect of the Manus Island Detention Centre in papua new guinea, and australias Supreme Court to shut it down, it was deemed unconstitutional. They receive compensation of 70 million australian dollars. Compensation of 70 million australian dollars. Thats not actually true, australian dollars. Thats not actually true, the australian dollars. Thats not actually true, the australian | australian dollars. Thats not actually true, the Australian High Court did not shut down. The Supreme Court did not shut down. The Supreme Court. Court did not shut down. The Supreme Court. Australia court did not shut down. The Supreme Court. Australia as i court did not shut down. The Supreme Court. Australia as a| court did not shut down. The Supreme Court. Australia as a high court, not Supreme Court. Australia as a high court. Not a Supreme Court. Australia as a high court, not a supreme Supreme Court. Australia as a high court, not a Supreme Court. Supreme court. Australia as a high court, not a Supreme Court. Its i court, not a Supreme Court. Its just what its called. But it didnt shut it down. Shut it down. What was the compensation shut it down. What was the compensation for . Shut it down. What was the compensation for . Manusl shut it down. What was the compensation for . Manus island is not in australia, compensation for . Manus island is not in australia, its compensation for . Manus island is not in australia, its in compensation for . Manus island is not in australia, its in Papua Compensation for . Manus island is not in australia, its in papua newl not in australia, its in papua new guinea. This was a matter for papua new guinea. We closed the Manus Island Processing Centre because we did not need it any more. Because we had nauru as well. And nauru still remains open but nauru is pretty much the Processing Centre is pretty much the Processing Centre is pretty much empty and let me make this point so nobody misunderstands. By having this offshore processing, we stopped people making these dangerous journeys on small boats, we stop the trade altogether. It has been incredibly successful. It has been incredibly successful. It has been much criticised and there is a whole lot of opposition to it, i appreciate that, but it has been very successful and in doing so, we have saved lives. Have saved lives. Thank you very much. Stephen have saved lives. Thank you very much. Stephen kinnock, have saved lives. Thank you very much. Stephen kinnock, last have saved lives. Thank you very i much. Stephen kinnock, last week labour said, much. Stephen kinnock, last week laboursaid, we much. Stephen kinnock, last week labour said, we have to accept barges as residences if they are still being used if we come to power. If that still your policy today . Power. If that still your policy toda . ~. ,. ,. , today . We would never start from here but the today . We would never start from here but the reason today . We would never start from here but the reason the today . We would never start from here but the reason the barges. Today . We would never start from | here but the reason the barges are being here but the reason the barges are being used here but the reason the barges are being used is because the conservatives have completely lost control conservatives have completely lost control of conservatives have completely lost control of our asylum system, 173,000 control of our asylum system, 173,000 people in the backlog. We would 173,000 people in the backlog. We would have a system which processes claims would have a system which processes claims quickly and enables people to et claims quickly and enables people to get on claims quickly and enables people to get on with their lives if they are genuine get on with their lives if they are genuine Asylum Seekers and remove them genuine Asylum Seekers and remove them to genuine Asylum Seekers and remove them to safe countries if they are not. ~ ~. , them to safe countries if they are not. ~ ~. , ,. , them to safe countries if they are not. We know the best laid plans when it comes not. We know the best laid plans when it comes to not. We know the best laid plans when it comes to processing not. We know the best laid plans i when it comes to processing weve just heard that it takes a very long time. If you inherit barges and military camps, will you have to use those until such times as perhaps you built Detention Estates . We are auoin to you built Detention Estates . We are going to inherit you built Detention Estates . We are going to inherit a you built Detention Estates . We are going to inherit a terrible mess you built Detention Estates . We are going to inherit a terrible mess if i going to inherit a terrible mess if we are going to inherit a terrible mess if we are privileged to form the next government. We dont have a magic wand, government. We dont have a magic wand, we government. We dont have a magic wand, we cannot get people off those barges wand, we cannot get people off those barges and wand, we cannot get people off those barges and out of those camps and out of barges and out of those camps and out of those hotels on day one but our number out of those hotels on day one but our number one priority will be to do that our number one priority will be to do that we our number one priority will be to do that. We will deliver that through do that. We will deliver that through our five point plan which is to bear through our five point plan which is to bear down on the backlog by giving to bear down on the backlog by giving the home office the right level giving the home office the right level of giving the home office the right level of seniority in terms of caseworkers and Decision Makers and by doing caseworkers and Decision Makers and by doing and caseworkers and Decision Makers and by doing and returns deal with the european by doing and returns deal with the European Union because that is the only thing European Union because that is the only thing that will really deter the small boat crossings. You know that deal with the small boat crossings. You know that deal with th