on the west coast of maui. firefighters are continuing to battle wildfires with officials saying they are 80% contained. this report from our north america correspondent sean daly. a community in smouldering ruins. many homes here burned to charge rex. the church and the harbour among the historic site wiped out by the flames that tore indiscriminately through the former picturesque tourist town. the us marines and national guard among the emergency workers on the ground. the us presidentjoe biden has declared the situation as a major disaster. we situation as a ma'or disaster. we are situation as a ma'or disaster. we seeing _ situation as a major disaster. - are seeing loss of life here. as you know, the number has been rising and we will continue to see loss of life but we have extraordinary professionals working on this job. we also have seen many hundreds of homes destroyed. and that is going to take a great deal of time to recover from.— to take a great deal of time to recover from. ., ., ., , recover from. the area has felt the bi est recover from. the area has felt the biggest impact _ recover from. the area has felt the biggest impact from _ recover from. the area has felt the biggest impact from the _ recover from. the area has felt the biggest impact from the wildfires, | biggest impact from the wildfires, the death toll is rising. most fires are under control but authorities are under control but authorities are still working on a number of fires on maui and the neighbouring big island. here in lahaina rescue efforts are moving quickly now winds of up to 80 kilometres an hour have died down. military resources opening up a path for rescuers to search for survivors and recover those who have died. authorities in lahaina say they 150—year—old la haina say they 150—year—old scorched lahaina say they 150—year—old scorched fig tree should recover but it may take far longer to recover a community robbed of houses and hundreds of years of history. 0ne community robbed of houses and hundreds of years of history. one of the most famous residents of maui island is 0prah the most famous residents of maui island is oprah winfrey and she has been meeting residents and lending a hand with the relief effort. 0ur reporter caught up with her. it is hand with the relief effort. our reporter caught up with her. it is a little overwhelming. _ reporter caught up with her. it is a little overwhelming. but _ reporter caught up with her. it is a little overwhelming. but i - reporter caught up with her. it is a little overwhelming. but i am - reporter caught up with her. it is a little overwhelming. but i am so l little overwhelming. but i am so pleased to have so many people, people just bringing what they can. so i came earlierjust to see what people needed. and then when shopping because often, you make donations of clothes or whatever and it's not the people need so i went to costco and got... shampoo. sheets! ., , , ., . , sheets! that must oprah winfrey helinu sheets! that must oprah winfrey helping with _ sheets! that must oprah winfrey helping with the _ sheets! that must oprah winfrey helping with the relief— sheets! that must oprah winfrey helping with the relief efforts. i earlier i spoke to local reporter dillon ancheta from hawaii news now — he gave us the latest on the situation and the relief effort the officials said the fires were 80% contained, the biggest and most severe fire burning is in lahaina in west maui and erase the historic town of lahaina and as you said this is a constantly changing situation, in fact minutes ago we learned of more fatalities so that brings the total number of debt up to 55. we are hearing this could be one of the worst disasters on the island, has anything like this ever happened before. —— the number of those dead. we had a number of wildfires on hama island, the bigger island, there was a wildfire that burned thousands of acres and destroyed some structures but most of that was dry open grass. 0f but most of that was dry open grass. of course, the area is no stranger to national disasters, 96 a hurricane came through which caused i think around six or eight deaths and then there was a tsunami in the early 19605 but by far, nothing compared to theirs. we are already seeing a massive lo55 compared to theirs. we are already seeing a massive loss of life and entire town5 wiped from the map. it is unheard of. like entire towns wiped from the map. it is unheard oh— is unheard of. like you say, really sad to hear— is unheard of. like you say, really sad to hear potentially _ is unheard of. like you say, really sad to hear potentially another. is unheard of. like you say, reallyl sad to hear potentially another two deaths on the island taking the number up to 55. president biden has announced a state of emergency which means federal aid will begin to arrive, the money can be released to provide that but how easy is it to get aid and to get those who can help the situation to the island? has help the situation to the island? is you know, help the situation to the island? 23 you know, hama is an island place and getting anything here either takes a five hour plane ride from the mainland united states or by boat could take longer and even there is some delay. we had a call out to the community for donations. there was someone who owned a boat to date that said i am leaving honolulu at 2 pm, bring what you can, let's fill the boat and get things to the island so even though resources from the federal site and the mainland may take time to get here, enter islanders are already helping and i understand in terms of manpower, some resources have arrived here in the state, extra hands to fight the fire, national guard is here doing what they can. i know we are not at the stage at the moment, we are in the emergency response stage but the pictures we are seeing, homes destroyed, history destroyed. when it comes to trying to rebuild this island, it is going to rebuild this island, it is going to take years, isn't it? it to rebuild this island, it is going to take years, isn't it?— to take years, isn't it? it really is. to take years, isn't it? it really is- again. _ to take years, isn't it? it really is- again. an — to take years, isn't it? it really is. again, an entire _ to take years, isn't it? it really is. again, an entire town - to take years, isn't it? it really is. again, an entire town has l to take years, isn't it? it really - is. again, an entire town has been wiped from the map and for so many, it is so hard to believe that a lot of it is due to the fact that so many people have yet to be allowed back into lahaina so for them, they are only seeing if they have cell phone service at this time, they are seeing the images we are getting. keepin seeing the images we are getting. keep in mind west maui are still without self—service, there are over 1000 people unaccounted for and that is because the lines of cell towers and communications remain severed. we heard from us officials earlier today that it will take weeks if not months to get it back and to get the lines of communication back but in terms of rebuilding lahaina town, the governorjosh green said the new lahaina will take time and billions of dollars but nonetheless, it will be in your lahaina in the vision of the residents but at the end of the day, you really cannot replace what was lost. we are talking history, lahaina used to be the capital of the kingdom, the old lahaina court house has ancient homeland artefacts, it had a flag, a frail tooth laced with human hair, priceless artefacts and they are lost forever and it is heartbreaking. as you can imagine, reports have been affected by the flights. people happen arriving back on the us mainland. ranji sinha, from the bbc�*s us partner cbs, spoke to some of the people who made it off the island to return to seattle. thus, it was just black. you thus, it wasjust black. you could see the orange glow of the fires. underneath the black smoke. aha. underneath the black smoke. a destination wedding turned into an escape effort as fires start lahaina minutes away from where she was staying. minutes away from where she was sta in. ., , ., minutes away from where she was sta inc. ., staying. there was no power, fire trucks everywhere, _ staying. there was no power, fire trucks everywhere, no _ staying. there was no power, fire trucks everywhere, no gas, - staying. there was no power, fire l trucks everywhere, no gas, people lined up at gas stations. the whidbey island _ lined up at gas stations. the whidbey island native made it but had to avoid claims to get to the maui airport with natives helping people to get away. we maui airport with natives helping people to get away.— maui airport with natives helping people to get away. we had to go up on the north — people to get away. we had to go up on the north side _ people to get away. we had to go up on the north side of— people to get away. we had to go up on the north side of the _ people to get away. we had to go up on the north side of the island - on the north side of the island which took three hours. three water, free food, a free bathroom because there was people ditching the rental cars all along the sides of the road. because there was no gas. when we woke up — road. because there was no gas. when we woke up on — road. because there was no gas. when we woke up on wednesday _ road. because there was no gas. when we woke up on wednesday it was obvious— we woke up on wednesday it was obvious it — we woke up on wednesday it was obvious it was a very serious situation _ obvious it was a very serious situation and so we packed up our stuff, _ situation and so we packed up our stuff, found whatever flight we could _ stuff, found whatever flight we could and got out.— stuff, found whatever flight we could and got out. tanya nathan and jason are could and got out. tanya nathan and jason are safe _ could and got out. tanya nathan and jason are safe but _ could and got out. tanya nathan and jason are safe but feeling _ could and got out. tanya nathan and jason are safe but feeling sad - could and got out. tanya nathan and jason are safe but feeling sad at - jason are safe but feeling sad at leaving the people and an devastation behind. people doing what they can _ devastation behind. people doing what they can but _ devastation behind. people doing what they can but dealing - devastation behind. people doing what they can but dealing with i devastation behind. people doing what they can but dealing with a l what they can but dealing with a terrible situation. this what they can but dealing with a terrible situation.— terrible situation. this will be a weird story _ terrible situation. this will be a weird story to _ terrible situation. this will be a weird story to tell— terrible situation. this will be a weird story to tell people - terrible situation. this will be a weird story to tell people but i terrible situation. this will be a weird story to tell people but itj weird story to tell people but it will not — weird story to tell people but it will not be devastating our lives. samuel— will not be devastating our lives. samuel webb a native of maui is going on a road trip but he lamented that lahaina is mostly gone. it is surreal because _ that lahaina is mostly gone. it 3 surreal because that place it has existed my whole life. i grew up there. i grew up going there. and i would not expect it to just burn down in one night. this would not expect it to 'ust burn down in one night._ would not expect it to 'ust burn down in one night. as you heard from some of the — down in one night. as you heard from some of the people, _ down in one night. as you heard from some of the people, it _ down in one night. as you heard from some of the people, it is _ down in one night. as you heard from some of the people, it is a _ down in one night. as you heard from some of the people, it is a sombre i some of the people, it is a sombre mood on the flights back here to the mainland from maui and the people we spoke to were glad they were able to get to safety but saddened by the fact many people on maui were not so lucky. we keep you updated on the wildfires throughout the day. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. police are investigating the death of a ten—year—old girl in surrey as murder. the girl's body was found inside a home on hammond road in woking in the early hours of thursday. herfamily is being supported by specialist officers and police say they're not looking for anyone else in connection with her death. the chief constable of the police service of northern ireland has said he won't resign following a significant data breach. simon byrne cut short a family holiday to return to belfast, where he faced several hours of questioning by the northern ireland policing board. he said he was "deeply sorry" about the data breaches that have revealed the identities of thousands of police officers and staff. a plane was forced to make an emergency land on the aao in gloucestershire after a suspected engine failure. the aircraft was on its way to gloucestershire airport when it landed on the busy main road — but amazingly no—one was hurt. investigations into the cause of the incident are ongoing. you're live with bbc news more than 100,000 migrants have crossed the english channel in small boats in the past five years. the government started the official count in 2018, but it doesn't include those who made it across without being intercepted by the authorities. 0ur reporter simonjones joins us from dover on the south coast. simon, 100,000 people crossing the channel, that is not a small number and that number has risen this morning? and that number has risen this mornin: ? , �* , and that number has risen this morninu? , v , and that number has risen this mornin-2 , �*, , ., and that number has risen this mornin: ? , �*, , ., ., morning? yes, it's been added to already this _ morning? yes, it's been added to already this morning, _ morning? yes, it's been added to already this morning, standing i morning? yes, it's been added toj already this morning, standing up here on the famous white cliffs of dover we have seen the border for spring into groups of migrants, the first boat had around 60 or 70 people on board. the second had even more so that is going to take the figure for the past five years when these crossings have really been taking place, to well over 100,000. we know hundreds of thousands of people arrived yesterday, it was the first calm day we had in the channel for several weeks, and it is a really wet and windy and miserable night. don't forget, for a government that has pledged to stop the boat it is an unwelcome milestone. it can be an extremely dangerous crossing, 17 people had to be pulled from the water, lifeboats went out from the coast of dungeness to help rescue those people after their boat started to sink and we know from the french authorities that another boat carrying eight people got stuck by a sand bank. the eight people on board that boat refused to be risky because they said they wanted to get a uk water is to be picked up by the border force or lifeboat and brought here to dover but after several hours when their boat was clearly going nowhere and the situation was becoming more dangerous, they agreed to be taken back to france but it shows how dangerous these crossings can be but these crossings continue pretty much every time we see calm weather out in the channel.- weather out in the channel. there is a lot of pressure _ weather out in the channel. there is a lot of pressure on _ weather out in the channel. there is a lot of pressure on the _ weather out in the channel. there is a lot of pressure on the uk - a lot of pressure on the uk government to curb these numbers. we have seen the reminder scheme set up and no asylum seekers being put on barges. is there any sign any of thatis barges. is there any sign any of that is working as a deterrent? the government _ that is working as a deterrent? tie: government says that is working as a deterrent? t'te: government says its policies that is working as a deterrent? ttl government says its policies to stop the boats are starting to have an effect. if you look at the figure so far this year, the actual number arriving, around 15,000, it sounds a lot but that's actually 19% down on the figure we saw this time last year so the government says yes, increased patrols on beaches in northern france that it is funding, thatis northern france that it is funding, that is starting to deliver results. returns agreement with albania, that are starting to deliver results but i think the reality is a lot of critics will say it is actually very weather dependent and for the past few weeks, we have had very windy weather in the channel. critics say thatis weather in the channel. critics say that is far more influencing the numbers than government policy and of course as you mentioned, the main plank of government policy is to say to people arriving on small boats, you will not be allowed to stay here, you will be deported to a country like rwanda but that scheme is currently mired in a legal challenge don't know migrants have been sent to rwanda from the uk so far because we are waiting to hear the outcome of the court case. so i think for the british government in a very difficult situation to be and, ultimately they will be judged by those numbers and that promise to stop the boats and those numbers now 100,000 over the past five years. simonjones in dover, thank you for that update. meanwhile...the european union's european border and coastguard agency has — in the past few minutes — released new data about the number of migrants crossing the mediterranean to europe. the agency says the number increased by the number of people travelling across the mediterranean. let's speak now to our reporter in rome, sofia bettiza a rise in the number of those crossing illegally so why do we think that is? it crossing illegally so why do we think that is?— crossing illegally so why do we think that is? it is mostly people who are coming _ think that is? it is mostly people who are coming from _ think that is? it is mostly people who are coming from egypt, - think that is? it is mostly people | who are coming from egypt, from guinea, from the ivory coast who are fleeing war and persecution. and are trying to reach europe, looking for a better life. what we are seeing is a better life. what we are seeing is a new dangerous trend of using very small low quality metal boats. they tend to break during the journey, crossing the mediterranean sea from north africa to italy. and it is very easy for those boats to capsize and that's exactly what happened some days ago when a boat that was carrying 45 people on board capsized near sicily because of a wave. as a result, 41 people died. and that is why according to the un, this route, the central mediterranean route, it is by far the most dangerous migrant crossing in the world. just to give you a number, this year so far more than 2000 people disappeared in the mediterranean sea trying to reach europe. now what the agency predicts is those deaths will not stop people who want to try and come to europe and that is because according to the agency, there is fierce competition between crime groups in tunisia and libya and because of that, people smugglers are offering much lower prices for people who want to make the journey to europe. prices for people who want to make thejourney to europe. so prices for people who want to make the journey to europe. so the fear is more people could die in the coming months trying to reach the eu, reach europe, searching for a better life. t eu, reach europe, searching for a better life-— eu, reach europe, searching for a better life. :, , , , ., ~ :, ,, :, better life. i was speaking to simon who is in dover _ better life. i was speaking to simon who is in dover for _ better life. i was speaking to simon who is in dover for us _ better life. i was speaking to simon who is in dover for us watching - who is in doverfor us watching boats arriving right here in the uk this morning. 0ne boats arriving right here in the uk this morning. one of those boats carrying 60 people and i want to ask the same question i asked him. when we see places like the uk government putting in schemes like the rwanda scheme or housing people on barges, is there any sign any eu deterrent is there any sign any eu deterrent is working to try and stop and curb the numbers because we'rejust numbers rising? if the numbers because we're 'ust numbers rising?i the numbers because we're 'ust numbers rising?fi numbers rising? if really good question- _ numbers rising? if really good question- it — numbers rising? if really good question. it is _ numbers rising? if really good question. it is a _ numbers rising? if really good question. it is a complicated l numbers rising? if really good - question. it is a complicated answer but what the eu has done, they have signed a deal with tunisia last month. of course tunisia has become the main departure point for people who try and reach europe. now that deal pledges more than 100 million euros that will be used to crack down on people smugglers, to strengthen eu borders and to work on policies to send migrants home. but, you know, let's take italy for example. this year so far nearly 94,000 people have reached italy by sea and that is more than double compared to last year. and of course the italian government is a right—wing government that campaigned on a promise to crack down on illegal migration but we are seeing what those promises have not been fulfilled so despite the risks and despite this new deal that was signed between the eu and tunisia last month, more people keep coming every day. and reaching europe mostly in sicily so it is a very complicated issue to solve. thank ou for complicated issue to solve. thank you for that _ complicated issue to solve. thank you for that update. _ complicated issue to solve. thank you for that update. let's - complicated issue to solve. thank you for that update. let's look- complicated issue to solve. thank you for that update. let's look at| you for that update. let's look at the budget migration issue across europe. the bodies of 23 rohingyas have been recovered off rakhine state in myanmar after their boat sank as they tried to reach malaysia. dozens of others are missing. survivors said they'd each paid smugglers thousands of dollars. let's talk to william leonardo who is our asia regional editor talk us through what we know. the boat sank off the west coast of the state of myanmar. 23 bodies had been recovered, 13 women and ten men, eight survivors and others missing. the survivor said they paid thousands of dollars each for a safe crossing to malaysia and they are the lucky ones. the bodies help in washing up on the coast and picked up washing up on the coast and picked up by other boats passing. in washing up on the coast and picked up by other boats passing.- up by other boats passing. in this area we have _ up by other boats passing. in this area we have been _ up by other boats passing. in this area we have been looking - up by other boats passing. in this area we have been looking at - up by other boats passing. in this area we have been looking at the| area we have been looking at the wider european situation, the uk situation but how common is this practice in this region?— situation but how common is this practice in this region? every year, thousands of _ practice in this region? every year, thousands of rohingya _ practice in this region? every year, thousands of rohingya muslims . practice in this region? every year, j thousands of rohingya muslims try practice in this region? every year, i thousands of rohingya muslims try to make the crossing over the andaman sea to the often in overcrowded fishing vessels, normally crossing between october and may when the sea conditions are better and in terms of what they are fleeing, hundreds of what they are fleeing, hundreds of thousands of them are in camps in bangladesh and on 2017 they fled persecution by the burmese army and the condition of these camps have been described as terrible with aid workers saying they are an open air prison, little prospect of them leaving or going back to myanmar and little prospect of them having a better life which is causing so many people to leave on the boats and it is fair to say some are leaving from specific states.— is fair to say some are leaving from specific states. when these migrants aet specific states. when these migrants net to other specific states. when these migrants get to other countries, _ specific states. when these migrants get to other countries, but _ get to other countries, but opportunities await them? then;r opportunities await them? they usuall no opportunities await them? they usually go to — opportunities await them? they usually go to malaysia - opportunities await them? ttl usually go to malaysia because it's relatively receptive, it is wealthier than myanmar and it gives opportunities for their lives and it is a muslim country, they sought muslim refugees fleeing myanmarfrom the burmese army who are largely buddhist. and in terms of what they're looking for, they are trying to get out of the terrible conditions in the camp, they languish there for six years. one, or asia regional— languish there for six years. one, or asia regional editor, _ languish there for six years. one, or asia regional editor, thank - languish there for six years. one, or asia regional editor, thank you so much for that update. a four day strike byjunior doctors in england has begun — it as a long—running dispute involving half of all doctors working in the uk continues. nhs leaders are warning it means more significant disruption to the health service, with thousands of appointments and procedures postponed. the chief executive of the nhs providers, sirjulian hartley spoke about how hospitals were coping admist the strike action. so far, cumulatively, since strikes began, and we are into our ninth month of strike action, around 800,000 operations, procedures, appointments have had to be stood down and rearranged as a consequence of that. that does have an impact on patients in terms of longer waits and so on. now, trusts do their best to do as much as they can during the strike period, but inevitably, a lot of activities are stood down. 0ur reporter frances read is outside st thomas's hospital in central london. what are your daughter saying to you, i can hear the doctors are very loud behind you, chanting! t you, i can hear the doctors are very loud behind you, chanting!- loud behind you, chanting! i think that's fair to _ loud behind you, chanting! i think that's fair to say _ loud behind you, chanting! i think that's fair to say they _ loud behind you, chanting! i think that's fair to say they are - loud behind you, chanting! i think that's fair to say they are quite i that's fair to say they are quite loud, a small but noisy group. it is fair to say. this is the fifth round of strikes junior doctors have fair to say. this is the fifth round of strikesjunior doctors have been taking part and of strikesjunior doctors have been taking partand in of strikesjunior doctors have been taking part and in what has turned out to be a very bitter dispute with the government over pay. i have been speaking to somejunior the government over pay. i have been speaking to some junior doctors in the picket line, some of them are not thatjunior, we talk about junior doctors, some of them have been doing thejob junior doctors, some of them have been doing the job ten years, some of them doing the job been doing the job ten years, some of them doing thejob nine days, stayed out of medical school and i spoke to one of the junior doctors on the picket line and she said she came out of medical school ten days ago, started in a new post and she is already on strike, she says she is already on strike, she says she is down to work a 69 hour week next week so that gives you some idea of what they are having to deal with and why they say they are here at the moment as well. the british medical associationjunior the moment as well. the british medical association junior doctors committee said the new cohort has no choice if they want a future, they said the government should be ashamed this is the state of the profession that they are presenting to new doctors like we have seen today. the bma also said it is about retaining talent, the government said there is no more room for talks. , ., ~ ., :, talks. let me 'ust take a moment, i want to say— talks. let mejust take a moment, i want to say goodbye _ talks. let mejust take a moment, i want to say goodbye to _ talks. let mejust take a moment, i want to say goodbye to our- want to say goodbye to our international bureaus, plenty more on the website on all of the top stories today including the wildfires. you are watching bbc news. let's return on the doctor strikes and join our correspondent outside st thomas is in central london. just talk to me about what the doctors are saying. the government says it has put a very good offer on the table and there are no more talks so why are we seeing these continued strikes, or the doctor is hoping for more talks? yes, they are absolutely. they have always said they want the government to come to the table on this, the government says it has put a fair and reasonable offer on the table but we had their earlier about those 800,000 appointments being rescheduled since december, that's something we have heard across bbc news today and joining me now, we can talk to someone from the british medical association. thanks so much forjoining us. waiting lists are a real concern to people so what would you say to those patients this morning? you say to those patients this mornin: ? :, you say to those patients this morning?— you say to those patients this morninu? :, :, , ., :, , you say to those patients this morninu? :, :, , ., :, morning? none of us want to be on strike. morning? none of us want to be on strike- doctors _ morning? none of us want to be on strike. doctors or— morning? none of us want to be on strike. doctors or patients, - morning? none of us want to be on strike. doctors or patients, my - strike. doctors or patients, my family— strike. doctors or patients, my family or— strike. doctors or patients, my family or patients, they have had operations and procedures cancelled during _ operations and procedures cancelled during the _ operations and procedures cancelled during the strikes as well as the last september we are asking for from _ last september we are asking for from the — last september we are asking for from the government is a credible often _ from the government is a credible often to — from the government is a credible offer. to put this into context for paint _ offer. to put this into context for paint restoration over the course of the year— paint restoration over the course of the year would cost £1 billion net, that is_ the year would cost £1 billion net, that is what have to come every year. _ that is what have to come every year, things strikes have cost well over it _ year, things strikes have cost well over £1 billion so they are putting party— over £1 billion so they are putting party politics over common sense and lo-ic party politics over common sense and logic right _ party politics over common sense and logic right now. to tell you what you're _ logic right now. to tell you what you're after, in actual pound sterling _ you're after, in actual pound sterling terms, we are asking for a doctor— sterling terms, we are asking for a doctor on— sterling terms, we are asking for a doctor on £14 an hour to get pay £20 an hour, _ doctor on £14 an hour to get pay £20 an hour, £20 — doctor on £14 an hour to get pay £20 an hour, £20 an hour to start life-saving _ an hour, £20 an hour to start life—saving treatment and our loved ones: _ life—saving treatment and our loved ones. £20 — life—saving treatment and our loved ones, £20 an hour it a doctor with student— ones, £20 an hour it a doctor with student debts over £100,000, £20 an hour for— student debts over £100,000, £20 an hour for a _ student debts over £100,000, £20 an hour for a doctor that is going to sacrifice — hour for a doctor that is going to sacrifice the next 15 years of their live mapping up and down the country at the _ live mapping up and down the country at the whim _ live mapping up and down the country at the whim of the nhs, sacrificing friendships and relationships and everything in between, £20 an hour is reasonable and that the government wants to continue treating — government wants to continue treating doctors with disdain we will leave. there is a global shortage _ will leave. there is a global shortage of doctors in australia, new zealand and canada, they are recruiting — new zealand and canada, they are recruiting aggressively, when you are recruiting aggressively, when monitoring us appropriately and respecting us accordingly and at the british— respecting us accordingly and at the british government thinks a doctor is not _ british government thinks a doctor is not worth £20 an hour they will end up— is not worth £20 an hour they will end up losing us.— is not worth £20 an hour they will end up losing us. what do you say about their _ end up losing us. what do you say about their arguments _ end up losing us. what do you say about their arguments towards - about their arguments towards inflation because that has been a big concern for the government in keeping that down. they see this as part of that. to keeping that down. they see this as part of that-— part of that. to reiterate we are askin: part of that. to reiterate we are asking for _ part of that. to reiterate we are asking for £1— part of that. to reiterate we are asking for £1 billion _ part of that. to reiterate we are asking for £1 billion net, - part of that. to reiterate we are asking for £1 billion net, they i part of that. to reiterate we are i asking for £1 billion net, they have spent _ asking for £1 billion net, they have spent £1_ asking for £1 billion net, they have spent £1 billion and more covering the strikes — spent £1 billion and more covering the strikes of the money is there. £37 billion — the strikes of the money is there. £37 billion on a track and trace system, — £37 billion on a track and trace system, one of the most embarrassing endeavours _ system, one of the most embarrassing endeavours this country has ever embarked — endeavours this country has ever embarked upon, £4 billion on pp that was not _ embarked upon, £4 billion on pp that was not usable that had to be written — was not usable that had to be written off, 3 billion a year on agency— written off, 3 billion a year on agency staff in the nhs to cover doctors — agency staff in the nhs to cover doctors and nurses because there's not enough — doctors and nurses because there's not enough of us to work a full—time contract _ not enough of us to work a full—time contract on — not enough of us to work a full—time contract on the waiting list 7 million — contract on the waiting list 7 million people, that is an unproductive population we have got i’ilht unproductive population we have got right now— unproductive population we have got right now which leads to a sick economy _ right now which leads to a sick economy. we need to get people waiting _ economy. we need to get people waiting lists and back into works and doctors will do that. the money is there. _ and doctors will do that. the money is there, economists have debunked this weight — is there, economists have debunked this weight by spiral nonsense that has been _ this weight by spiral nonsense that has been coming up, we reckon the public— has been coming up, we reckon the public sector, it is a complete nonsense _ public sector, it is a complete nonsense and the money is there. there _ nonsense and the money is there. there will— nonsense and the money is there. there will be members of the public and help other appointments rescheduled, potentially once they have been waiting for for some time so to what extent do you feel the public is your side?— so to what extent do you feel the public is your side? public service have shown _ public is your side? public service have shown from _ public is your side? public service have shown from each _ public is your side? public service have shown from each set - public is your side? public service have shown from each set of - public is your side? public service i have shown from each set of strikes to the _ have shown from each set of strikes to the next— have shown from each set of strikes to the next support is increasing. i speak— to the next support is increasing. i speak to _ to the next support is increasing. i speak to the public every day in hospitals, — speak to the public every day in hospitals, they are aware this is not our— hospitals, they are aware this is not our fault, they are aware how hard _ not our fault, they are aware how hard we _ not our fault, they are aware how hard we work and they are on our site and _ hard we work and they are on our site and because we do not have enough — site and because we do not have enough doctors, because of the pay cut, we _ enough doctors, because of the pay cut, we are — enough doctors, because of the pay cut, we are seeing 500 british people — cut, we are seeing 500 british people die every single week, needlessly. that is a boring jumbo 'et needlessly. that is a boring jumbo jet filled _ needlessly. that is a boring jumbo jet filled with people, grandparents, mothers and fathers coming _ grandparents, mothers and fathers coming into hospital and accident and emergency departments, they should _ and emergency departments, they should be — and emergency departments, they should be going home to celebrate anniversaries, birthdays and christmases but they come into hospital— christmases but they come into hospital and we believe because they were not— hospital and we believe because they were not seen in time because there's— were not seen in time because there's not— were not seen in time because there's not enough doctors and we are not— there's not enough doctors and we are not asking for the ransom of a king _ are not asking for the ransom of a king £20 — are not asking for the ransom of a king £20 an— are not asking for the ransom of a king. £20 an hour, well below the global— king. £20 an hour, well below the global market value, well below! that is— global market value, well below! that is all— global market value, well below! that is all we are asking for. the government _ that is all we are asking for. the government says _ that is all we are asking for. ttl government says they have given you what they call a fair and reasonable pay offer so is there an end point? the dispute will rumble on unless we -et a the dispute will rumble on unless we get a credible offer. the government cannot— get a credible offer. the government cannot impose upon us a deal. it is a two-way— cannot impose upon us a deal. it is a two—way conversation that needs to be had, _ a two—way conversation that needs to be had, our— a two—way conversation that needs to be had, our doors are always open to converse _ be had, our doors are always open to converse with the government, the offer they— converse with the government, the offer they have given us is derisory, _ offer they have given us is derisory, inadequate and quite frankly— derisory, inadequate and quite frankly insulting.— derisory, inadequate and quite frankly insulting. thanks so much for talkin: frankly insulting. thanks so much for talking to _ frankly insulting. thanks so much for talking to us. _ frankly insulting. thanks so much for talking to us. you _ frankly insulting. thanks so much for talking to us. you have - frankly insulting. thanks so much for talking to us. you have had i frankly insulting. thanks so much l for talking to us. you have had the strength of feeling and you can hear the strength of feeling behind me as well. the government insists no more talks will take place, they said the 6% rise offered with an additional consolidated £1250 increase was fair and reasonable and above what most in the public and private sectors are receiving. the

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