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Transcripts For BBCNEWS The 20240704



good evening, thank you forjoining us tonight. 41 people have died after their small boat capsized as they were trying to make the crossing from tunisia to italy, the latest in a string of tragic incidents in the mediterranean. joining me on our panel for the next hour is the political sketch writer tom peck and victoria coates, former senior energy adviser to the trump administration. also on the programme, joe biden is expected to issue an executive order banning private—equity and venture—capital investments in some chinese technology companies, escalating washington's efforts to prevent beijing from developing cutting—edge technology for its military. we'll get reaction from two congressmen that sit on the select committee on china. it's been one year sincejoe biden launched his plan to boost the us semiconductor industry. we will check in with a member of the chips team to see if the promises have been met. and if you are the type of person struggling to get in your 10,000 steps a day, you'll be pleased to hear a new study has found that fewer than 5,000 may be enough to see but first to the mediterranean, where 41 migrants have drowned off the italian island of lampedusa after their boat capsized. 45 people, including three children, had been aboard the vessel, which set off from the tunisian city of sfax last thursday. four survivors, originally from the ivory coast and guinea, gave their accounts to coastguards after being brought ashore. the three men and a woman had initially been rescued by a cargo ship. these pictures show rescue workers helping migrants in trouble around the lampedusa coast at the weekend, one of several rescues in recent days. i'm joined now by nicola dell'arciprete, the national response coodinator for unicef in italy. thank you forjoining us on our programme. your organisation says that 11,600 children have made the dangerous crossing this year, twice as much as the same time period last year. why? there are many reasons why children are travelling, but what is more important is that we need to prevent them from dying at sea. we have seen them from dying at sea. we have seen the number of this journey increasing but also the dangers increasing. 0nly increasing but also the dangers increasing. only for the first six months of the year we have recorded at least 489 children dying during these journey. at least 489 children dying during thesejourney. this makes the mediterranean routes the most dangerous for migrants around the world. we dangerous for migrants around the world. ~ , . ., dangerous for migrants around the world. ~ , . . ., , dangerous for migrants around the world. ~ , . . . , . world. we understand that many are travellin: world. we understand that many are travelling alone _ world. we understand that many are travelling alone either _ world. we understand that many are travelling alone either separated - travelling alone either separated from their parents on the journey, tell us more. we from their parents on the “ourney, tell us mi from their parents on the “ourney, tell us more. ~ ~ ., . ., . tell us more. we know that more than 70% of the children _ tell us more. we know that more than 70% of the children are _ tell us more. we know that more than 70% of the children are driving - tell us more. we know that more than 70% of the children are driving are - 70% of the children are driving are unaccompanied or separated from their parents. many have spent months travelling alone, facing sexual exportation, abuse and violence. i myself was in lampedusa a couple of weeks ago and met some of them. i think these children would not risk their safety and their lives if their situation at home were not so dire. so these children are feeling conflicts, poverty and extreme deprivation. so i think we really need to be much more compassionate towards them. figs more compassionate towards them. as you were on lampedusa recently tell us what the children face when they arrive. . , ., _, ., ,., arrive. the reception condition upon arrival are not _ arrive. the reception condition upon arrival are not always _ arrive. the reception condition upon arrival are not always ideal- arrive. the reception condition upon arrival are not always ideal for- arrival are not always idealfor children. particularly children travelling alone. the authorities are making a lot of effort to cope with this increasing number of arrivals. there have been cases where the facility was terribly overcrowded. we know the situation is improving now, but still we are lacking enough capacity to properly deal with unaccompanied children. why it is so difficult? they are travelling alone. they need to have access to protection services. we need to listen from them, we need to give them access eventually to schools, health services. as we would for any other child. it is an incredibly troubling _ would for any other child. it is an incredibly troubling and - would for any other child. it is an incredibly troubling and thank - would for any other child. it is an | incredibly troubling and thank you forjoining us tonight. joining me on our panel for the next hour is tom peck, political sketch writer for the independent, and victoria coates, former senior energy adviser to the trump administration. great to see both tonight. victoria, let's start with you. this is a trend we are seeing in the us as well. unaccompanied minors who are travelling to the us crossing the southern border.— travelling to the us crossing the southern border. good to be with ou. this southern border. good to be with yom this is _ southern border. good to be with yom this is a _ southern border. good to be with you. this is a terrible _ southern border. good to be with you. this is a terrible problem i southern border. good to be with l you. this is a terrible problem here in the us and it may be a good area to explore some transatlantic cooperation on best practices. what we do not want to do is, but these children injeopardy. we are having a terrible, terrible influx through the southern border of these undocumented, unaccompanied minors who then go into these terrible conditions, both slave labour, sexual exportation, there is an incredible documentary in the us tonight called the sound of freedom which documents a true story of a former dhs agent who makes it his life mission to try freebies children. it's a terrible scourge on all of our country so i hope we can cooperate to come up with solutions. is this something that the uk is addressing as well? we see the increased frequency of these shipwrecks in the mediterranean. this has been going on for a decade. a key— this has been going on for a decade. a key cause — this has been going on for a decade. a key cause of the uk boat for bremiser— a key cause of the uk boat for brexiteer seven years ago and nothing — brexiteer seven years ago and nothing has really changed. the problem — nothing has really changed. the problem of course is the countries that unfortunate people what to flee are not_ that unfortunate people what to flee are not able to please the places where _ are not able to please the places where they are able to depart from. and in_ where they are able to depart from. and in eight years numbers have not come _ and in eight years numbers have not come down, — and in eight years numbers have not come down, progress has not been made' _ come down, progress has not been made. and — come down, progress has not been made. and i— come down, progress has not been made, and i will not sit here and say i _ made, and i will not sit here and say i have — made, and i will not sit here and say i have a _ made, and i will not sit here and say i have a solution because i do not _ say i have a solution because i do not there — say i have a solution because i do not there is _ say i have a solution because i do not. there is only one thing you can do and _ not. there is only one thing you can do and that— not. there is only one thing you can do and that is— not. there is only one thing you can do and that is and an attempt to achieve — do and that is and an attempt to achieve some sort of political consensus whereby you do not make politics _ consensus whereby you do not make politics out _ consensus whereby you do not make politics out of waves of migrants, some _ politics out of waves of migrants, some describe them of swarms of cockroaches not that long ago. you have to _ cockroaches not that long ago. you have to build a political senses —— consensus — have to build a political senses —— consensus where the opportunity to make _ consensus where the opportunity to make low—grade politics out of it has to _ make low—grade politics out of it has to go — make low—grade politics out of it has to go. for the crucial reason is that there — has to go. for the crucial reason is that there is — has to go. for the crucial reason is that there is no reason to think this probable advocate better. large—scale migration, people from fleeing _ large—scale migration, people from fleeing from unlivable lives will go up fleeing from unlivable lives will go up and _ fleeing from unlivable lives will go up and up — fleeing from unlivable lives will go up and up into years and decades ahead _ up and up into years and decades ahead. there has to be at least the vicious _ ahead. there has to be at least the vicious politics taken out of it. that _ vicious politics taken out of it. that is — vicious politics taken out of it. that is the _ vicious politics taken out of it. that is the only meaningful step to take at— that is the only meaningful step to take at this point. to that is the only meaningful step to take at this point.— that is the only meaningful step to take at this point. to follow up, we know there — take at this point. to follow up, we know there has _ take at this point. to follow up, we know there has been _ take at this point. to follow up, we know there has been an _ take at this point. to follow up, we j know there has been an agreement with the eu and tunisia, the eu has in agreement with turkey, what if anything are all of these agreements are actually doing? that anything are all of these agreements are actually doing?— anything are all of these agreements are actually doing? at the moment in the uk we have _ are actually doing? at the moment in the uk we have this _ are actually doing? at the moment in the uk we have this problem - are actually doing? at the moment in the uk we have this problem of - the uk we have this problem of people — the uk we have this problem of people arriving in small boats from france _ people arriving in small boats from france. that is not people escaping biden, _ france. that is not people escaping biden, using biden as a place in which _ biden, using biden as a place in which to— biden, using biden as a place in which to try and get to the eu from countries _ which to try and get to the eu from countries that are war—torn —— biden — u nless unless you can specifically get your police officers to go to the country and also sort out problems in the countries that they are fleeing from, libya and syria and so on. then you will not get anywhere. the agreements are legal agreements and the whole _ agreements are legal agreements and the whole process of the people who are getting on both is a criminal enterprise _ are getting on both is a criminal enterprise. so all of the treaties you make — enterprise. so all of the treaties you make and all of the agreement you make and all of the agreement you signed, you are not going to be able to— you signed, you are not going to be able to outfox desperate people who want to _ able to outfox desperate people who want to come to a better country for a better— want to come to a better country for a better life — want to come to a better country for a better life. it want to come to a better country for a better life-— a better life. it certainly feels like an intractable _ a better life. it certainly feels like an intractable problem i a better life. it certainly feels like an intractable problem at a better life. it certainly feels - like an intractable problem at the moment notjust in europe but in the us as well. great to speak to you tom and victoria. coming back in a moment. let's move onto another story. in the us, the biden administration is expected to release an executive order on thursday restricting american investments in sensitive technologies in china. according to our us partner cbs news, american companies will be subject to new federal oversight that will scrutinise and potentially prevent some of their investments in china's tech industry. the goal is to ensure that us cash does not support china's military modernisation and potentially threaten the united states. earlier, we spoke to two members of the us house of representatives select committee on the chinese communist party. congressman raja krishnamoorthi, a democrat, and congressman darin lahood, a republican, both from the state of illinois. they're visiting the uk for meetings with their counterparts here, and we spoke about their work on the china committee. i think that this is exactly what we need to make sure that not only our dollars, but also potential technical expertise and know—how don't get into the wrong hands. what i mean by that is that we have investigated some of these firms, and what we've found is that they are invested in state—owned enterprises or other companies in china that unfortunately are affiliated with ccp entities that are developing hypersonic missile programmes, they're developing their nuclear programmes, they're helping with developing facial—recognition and ai software to repress the uyghurs. so we don't want to be invested in those types of programmes that harm our interests or our values. so, congressman lahood, what congressman krishnamoorthi has just been saying is essentially that us dollars have been until now also funding the development of chinese military interests. that's correct. you know, one thing the committee has been focused on is — how do we counteract china? and china continues to abide by a different set of rules and standards than every other industrialised country in the world does. and in many ways, they can't be trusted by their actions that they have taken, whether it's in al, whether it's in facial—recognition, whether it's the repression of uyghurs. and, you know, i think it came to a head when we saw the balloon fly over the us several months ago, their blatant support for ukraine, their wolf warrior diplomacy they continue to exhibit around the globe. and so those things have caused us to look at how do we change the narrative here? and i think the direction the biden administration is taking is a step forward. we've got to continue to put the pressure on them. what would that look like, continuing to put on the pressure? well, listen, ithink we have to come to the realisation — china has a plan to replace the united states, and they're working at it every single day. and i don't say that to scare people, but they want to beat us technologically, militarily, economically and diplomatically. and so we have to focus on — how do we win that strategic competition? and so how you do that is i think it's going to be won on the economic front and figuring out how do we partner with our like—minded allies in the indo—pacific region, be more engaged there from the economic standpoint to work with them to again... so that they're not so emboldened to side with china on things they feel like they're trapped. many of the countries in the indo—pacific region between china and us, we have to exert more leadership over there. frankly, i don't think this administration has done enough of that. congressman krishnamoorthi, you know, if you listen to the messaging from beijing, china has said that the us or accused the us of trying to suppress its economic rights. are you worried about some sort of reaction from china, particularly on this executive order? no, i'm not concerned. look, i think that we... you know, our quarrel is not with the chinese people. we don't seek to contain or suppress their legitimate economic aspirations. however, where they engage in cyber theft or hacks that involve planting malware in our critical infrastructure in the united states, where they, you know, engage in practices and aggression, especially military aggression against taiwan or in the south china sea or against even india in the himalayas. the point is that that is not the type of behaviour that's consistent with the international rules—based order. where we have differences, let's resolve them peacefully and let's play by rules that make sense. finally, i would just say the chinese economy is sliding right now. their youth unemployment rate is 22%. their real estate market is tanking. they're on the verge of deflation, and their number one export in the world right now is high—net—worth individuals, people who are fleeing the country because of the arbitrariness of their laws. and so this is not a time for them to engage in retaliatory measures or any types of other measures that could curb their prosperity. let's bring back victoria and tom. victoria to you first. we are expecting this white house executive order restricting investments in sensitive chinese technologies what do you think? i chinese technologies what do you think? . . , , . , , think? i agree that this is a step, but china has _ think? i agree that this is a step, but china has demonstrated - think? i agree that this is a step, but china has demonstrated that| think? i agree that this is a step, - but china has demonstrated that they will but denies anything from your door bell, for example, to a hypersonic missile. so i think it is a step and it should be encouraged but we need more. also what the congressman was just saying, they have very severe internal problems of their own. they based a lot of their growth on this foreign investment in china. so if the united states take serious steps to dry up that money, they will have a bad problem. they will also have a terrible demographic problem and you notice you don't have waves of displaced people trying to get into china the way that they are trying to get into europe and the united states. they will have a lot of trouble fixing that. we should press our advantage will stop your sing at the first step to follow—up, the administration public initial plan was far more sweeping, but they branded back after engaging with the private sector. sort branded back after engaging with the private sector-— private sector. sort of accompanies here that say _ private sector. sort of accompanies here that say this _ private sector. sort of accompanies here that say this threatens - private sector. sort of accompanies here that say this threatens to - here that say this threatens to stifle our growth our investments? that's the challenge. we don't want to throw away the baby with the bath water industry are our own economy in the process but i think we can definitely do that with. we need to help these private sector entities decouple from china as much as we can so that they can find alternative markets elsewhere. thinking of india for example. a great place that you could move manufacturing facilities and that kind of investment with also a large population at a much more friendly to the united states. so i think we need a whole of nation, both private and public sector approach to this. and that is the kind of admission that the american people are prepared for. the pulling on china has literally fallen off of the cleft in the united states and gone in an extremely negative. so i think american people willing to shoulder this burden. i american people willing to shoulder this burden. ., . ,~' american people willing to shoulder this burden. ., . i. american people willing to shoulder this burden-— this burden. i would ask you where the uk stance _ this burden. i would ask you where the uk stance on _ this burden. i would ask you where the uk stance on all— this burden. i would ask you where the uk stance on all of— this burden. i would ask you where the uk stance on all of this. - this burden. i would ask you where the uk stance on all of this. eightl the uk stance on all of this. eight question up to the congress meant that they did not answer which was about the accusing the british government for being weak for complying with us demands to comply with cut ties with business deals with cut ties with business deals with china. does that reflect the common opinion in the business community in the uk? the common opinion in the business community in the uk?— common opinion in the business community in the uk? the uk does not matter. community in the uk? the uk does not matter- what — community in the uk? the uk does not matter- what we _ community in the uk? the uk does not matter. what we are _ community in the uk? the uk does not matter. what we are discussing - community in the uk? the uk does not matter. what we are discussing and - matter. what we are discussing and it is a _ matter. what we are discussing and it is a very— matter. what we are discussing and it is a very depressing discussion as a furthering of, a complete breakdown of the important relationship in the world. the uk role is _ relationship in the world. the uk role is that— relationship in the world. the uk role is that us's long—standing best friend _ role is that us's long—standing best friend and _ role is that us's long—standing best friend and whether or not we have accepted — friend and whether or not we have accepted it — friend and whether or not we have accepted it in our five—year infrastructure and that sort of thing — infrastructure and that sort of thing is — infrastructure and that sort of thing is happy to discuss, but it does _ thing is happy to discuss, but it does not — thing is happy to discuss, but it does not way a feather in the balance — does not way a feather in the balance was stub what matters more than anything is the relationship to the us— than anything is the relationship to the us and china. i'm not pointing blame _ the us and china. i'm not pointing blame at — the us and china. i'm not pointing blame at anyone at all. i think biden— blame at anyone at all. i think biden is— blame at anyone at all. i think biden is correct to do what he has done _ biden is correct to do what he has done but— biden is correct to do what he has done but if— biden is correct to do what he has done. but if china say that america is trying _ done. but if china say that america is trying to— done. but if china say that america is trying to suppress its ambitions to become — is trying to suppress its ambitions to become a global superpower, which is, and _ to become a global superpower, which is, and it— to become a global superpower, which is, and it is— to become a global superpower, which is, and it is right to do so, but that's— is, and it is right to do so, but that's what— is, and it is right to do so, but that's what happening. then there is no surprise _ that's what happening. then there is no surprise that china forms, finds in brescia — no surprise that china forms, finds in brescia and alia, a dependable one and _ in brescia and alia, a dependable one and therefore cannot continence the ukraine. and it makes difficult a time _ the ukraine. and it makes difficult a time where they need to cooperate. and questions like quantum computing and al, _ and questions like quantum computing and ai, they are scary but they have massive _ and ai, they are scary but they have massive potential to improve mankind _ massive potential to improve mankind. we need to be working on it together _ mankind. we need to be working on it together. the stuff is happening at the worst _ together. the stuff is happening at the worst possible time. the most important — the worst possible time. the most important relationship ever been going _ important relationship ever been going south and it has never ever been _ going south and it has never ever been more — going south and it has never ever been more important that it goes the other wav~ _ been more important that it goes the other way. its been more important that it goes the other wa . �* ., ., ., been more important that it goes the otherwa .�* ., ., ., ,. ,, other way. a lot more to discuss with both of _ other way. a lot more to discuss with both of you. _ other way. a lot more to discuss with both of you. back— other way. a lot more to discuss with both of you. back with - other way. a lot more to discuss - with both of you. back with my panel in just a short bit. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. the names of thousands of people adopted as children were available on a genealogy website, it has emerged. safety and privacy fears were raised after a motherfound details of adoptions dating back more than 100 years on the scotland's people site. the national record of scotland said it removed the information 36 hours after the mother complained it could endanger her adopted child. a fire which ripped through a landmark pub days before it was unexpectedly demolished is being treated as arson, police say. the crooked house, near dudley in the black country, caught fire on saturday night and was then bulldozed on monday, prompting anger from local residents. the pub, once britain's "wonkiest", was sold by marston's last month. a bbc investigation has discovered thousands of people on universal credit are having money deducted to pay their utility bills, despite a legal case that challenged the policy. anyone on old—style benefits must give consent, but it isn't required from those on universal credit. the department for work and pensions insists it "strikes a fair balance". you're live with bbc news. some more now on that breaking news out of pakistan. where the parliament has been dissolved. lets go live to our south asia regional editor, anbarasan ethirajan. great to see you first full explain what is behind this dissolving of parliament. the what is behind this dissolving of parliament-— what is behind this dissolving of parliament. . ., . _ parliament. the national assembly has been dissolved _ parliament. the national assembly has been dissolved by _ parliament. the national assembly has been dissolved by the - parliament. the national assembly| has been dissolved by the president based on the advice of the prime minister, shehbaz sharif. the pakistani parliament has completed its five—year term and a lot of political drama during this five years during the election was one by imran khan's political party pti and last year the coalition had to buy shehbaz sharif took over. since then imran khan has been holding opposition rallies in the last few months and now he has been injail because of corruption charges which he denies. we have to wait and see whether the elections will be held within 90 days as per the constitution because the government is now accepting a new senses. that means they have to redraw some of the boundaries of the constituencies. that will take a few months. one minister was indicating that elections could be delayed by a few months. it all depends on whether imran khan's partey work imran khan will be allowed to run for progress receipts. because election commission of pakistan has already barred him for five years based on the court verdict. but imran khan's party says they will go to the high court and appeal the verdict. and if it goes into his vapour he can probably run for election but for now the election commission says he cannot run for any political office for five years. a compex political situation. we know that imran khan still has a large group of supporters. what are they saying about this's the party of imran khan would say that they are arguing that in an election. the ower of are arguing that in an election. tue: power of participation are arguing that in an election. tt;e: power of participation of are arguing that in an election. tt9 power of participation of imran khan or pti. the legitimacy of the election would be in question. in the minds of the people in the way the minds of the people in the way the people look at it it's like they are trained to eliminate. this is the argument of pti from the main political system. that is going to raise questions further because everyone knows that in pakistan, militaries playing a key role and imran khan accused the military of being behind the power which the military denies. the whole of imran khan supporters will be watching to see if the he will be allowed to run or if his party will be allowed to be able to take part in elections. and if you look at all of the by elections in the last year, his party has won a majority of them. that shows that he still has a big following among his supporters and in many of his provinces. that is why the government is also very keen that they want to have this legitimacy. that is why they say after the admonition takes over, then they will start the election process. —— administration. then they will start the election process. -- administration. thank ou for process. -- administration. thank you for this _ process. -- administration. thank you for this update _ process. -- administration. thank you for this update on _ process. -- administration. thank you for this update on this - process. -- administration. thank you for this update on this a - you for this update on this a developing story. some more breaking news now — and six people have died in fires in hawaii. some areas have had to be evacuated because of wildfires fuelled by hurricane winds. some residents were forced to jump into the sea to escape the flames. local media has described the scenes on the island of maui as "apocalyptic". live now to manoa and clay trauernicht from the university of hawaii. he is the project leader for the pacific fire exchange, and a member of fire science exchange network. thank you forjoining us. it sounds like a terrible situation. tell us what has been happening. tt’s like a terrible situation. tell us what has been happening. it's pretty difficult to get _ what has been happening. it's pretty difficult to get directed _ what has been happening. it's pretty difficult to get directed news - what has been happening. it's pretty difficult to get directed news off - difficult to get directed news off of the ground. because the incident is ongoing. firefighting researches are spread pretty thin. there is simultaneous fire upcountry maui as well so they are sped pretty thin and it is difficult to understand what is happening directly on the ground. flan what is happening directly on the round. :, ,, what is happening directly on the round. :, i. , . :, what is happening directly on the uround. :, y:, , :, :, , ground. can you explain how these fires have spiralled _ ground. can you explain how these fires have spiralled out _ ground. can you explain how these fires have spiralled out of - ground. can you explain how these fires have spiralled out of control? | fires have spiralled out of control? sure, we are seeing the worst case scenario in terms of these short—term weather events that we are experiencing now. so it is true we are experiencing high winds and low relative humidity as the storm passes to the south of the island. so it is drawing and moisture from the air and creating these really high and gusty winds. the longer term changes that have increased the vulnerability of communities across the state is that the fact that we have seen agricultural declines over the past couple of decades. so as the past couple of decades. so as the footprint of ranching and plantation agricultural has shrunk, all of those lands have been filled in with these non—native grasses, tropical grasses. so it creates incredibly dangerous conditions, challenging conditions and is something that we need to be investing in as far as taking action to reduce that risk. in other words things that are in our control. but it takes. dance before these events occur. t it takes. dance before these events occur. :, , , it takes. dance before these events occur. . , , , , . ~ occur. i view has been speaking we are looking — occur. i view has been speaking we are looking at _ occur. i view has been speaking we are looking at some _ occur. i view has been speaking we are looking at some images of- occur. i view has been speaking we are looking at some images of a i are looking at some images of a press conference taking place in hawai'i. authorities addressing what has been happening. he mentioned that six people have died and also people have had tojump into the that six people have died and also people have had to jump into the sea had to avoid flames. what are authorities trained to do at this moment to trinket the situation under control and make sure people are safe? t under control and make sure people are safe? :, , under control and make sure people are safe? ., , :, , , are safe? i was the priority is human lives. _ are safe? i was the priority is human lives. and _ are safe? i was the priority is human lives. and then - human lives. and then infrastructure. i think the difference with what we are seeing with these fires is that itjumped from pete's vegetated areas, all of the brush around the town into the town and once the tradition set houses on fire instructors burning it is incredibly difficult to suppress. so again when we talk about the medication and action we can around the landscape, those are all make these firefighters jobs more effective and safer conditions for them to be able to work. so again the combination of long—term changes in the landscape around this increase in all of these tropical grasslands across the state combined with this weather conditions makes this incredibly vulnerable. horse this incredibly vulnerable. how about the area _ this incredibly vulnerable. how about the area where - this incredibly vulnerable. how about the area where you are? are you concerned you could see similar wildfires? taste you concerned you could see similar wildfires? ~ :, you concerned you could see similar wildfires? ~ . . . you concerned you could see similar wildfires? ~ . . : ~ ., wildfires? we are watching. again this problem _ wildfires? we are watching. again this problem is _ wildfires? we are watching. again this problem is consistent - wildfires? we are watching. again this problem is consistent across. this problem is consistent across the state. we have around 1 million acres state—wide. these tropical savannahs, more or less. as i said, it is the change around the communities that we have experience in the past couple of tickets that create very, very dangerous conditions. high vulnerability and sensitivity to this alignment of fire weather that we are seeing today. fire weather that we are seeing toda . :, , , :, today. troubling news there for hawai'i. thank _ today. troubling news there for hawai'i. thank you _ today. troubling news there for hawai'i. thank you for - today. troubling news there for hawai'i. thank you for bringing | today. troubling news there for i hawai'i. thank you for bringing us up—to—date great to speak with you tonight and we of course hope that everyone is safe.— tonight and we of course hope that everyone is safe. thank you so much for havin: everyone is safe. thank you so much for having me- _ we'll keep an eye on that story and the other breaking news coming from pakistan as well. we will keep you updated on the stories in the next half—hour as well. thank you for watching the programme. good evening. it's been a warmer day for many parts of the uk, it'll be a warmer night as well, noticeably in the north, and a warmer day still tomorrow. a burst of summer warmth coming through with some sunshine for most parts of the uk. during the day that we've just had, however, we've had this weak warm front pushing northwards, drizzle through northern ireland, western scotland. we had misty low cloud and fog around some of the coasts and hills of the irish sea in the southwest approaches. now, that's still around in some areas, so too the drizzle in the north, and we've still got a pretty brisk wind blowing in the northeast of scotland. but for most of us, it's a fine evening followed by a fine night — but notice there are some pockets of cloud developing — low cloud, fog, so we could have some fog as we head towards morning once again. but it's, as i mentioned earlier, a warmer night — noticeably so in the north, quite muggy in the south. but at this time of year, late august or mid—to—late august, that fog does hang around just a little. but we are drawing up with a light southerly wind, some much warmer air during the day ahead, which means that we are going to see temperatures into the 20s quite widely, which will, of course clear away any morning fog. there could still be the odd shower bubbling up. we should see fewer showers for shetland, the winds should finally ease here — it's been near gale force for two or three days. later in the day as well, the next weather front approaches, but for all intents and purposes, it's a fine day. as i mentioned, 20s quite widely away from the north of scotland, peaking at 26—27 perhaps across southern and eastern areas. but by the time we get to the evening and overnight, we've got the next weather system marching in, driven in by this next area of low pressure, which will bring some brisker winds, some fresher feeling weather by friday — although you can see we still got that overnight rain lingering in the north close to southern and eastern areas and we might see some more rain pushing back in later in the day. but again, it's a day of scattered showers, more so on thursday, but we will see some areas escaping altogether. still relatively warm in eastern areas, but still fresher now further west. that fresher atlantic air is with us throughout the weekend for all by that stage, that warm having disappeared. and there'll be heavy prolonged showers, particularly in the north and west, close to where the area of low pressure is anchored. so, fewest showers further south and east. some places might escape dry, but on the whole, we're back to a fresher and more showery picture across the uk. more online. hello, i'm sumi somaskanda. you're watching the context on bbc news. it's long been thought that 10,000 is the magic number,

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good evening, thank you forjoining us tonight. 41 people have died after their small boat capsized as they were trying to make the crossing from tunisia to italy, the latest in a string of tragic incidents in the mediterranean. joining me on our panel for the next hour is the political sketch writer tom peck and victoria coates, former senior energy adviser to the trump administration. also on the programme, joe biden is expected to issue an executive order banning private—equity and venture—capital investments in some chinese technology companies, escalating washington's efforts to prevent beijing from developing cutting—edge technology for its military. we'll get reaction from two congressmen that sit on the select committee on china. it's been one year sincejoe biden launched his plan to boost the us semiconductor industry. we will check in with a member of the chips team to see if the promises have been met. and if you are the type of person struggling to get in your 10,000 steps a day, you'll be pleased to hear a new study has found that fewer than 5,000 may be enough to see but first to the mediterranean, where 41 migrants have drowned off the italian island of lampedusa after their boat capsized. 45 people, including three children, had been aboard the vessel, which set off from the tunisian city of sfax last thursday. four survivors, originally from the ivory coast and guinea, gave their accounts to coastguards after being brought ashore. the three men and a woman had initially been rescued by a cargo ship. these pictures show rescue workers helping migrants in trouble around the lampedusa coast at the weekend, one of several rescues in recent days. i'm joined now by nicola dell'arciprete, the national response coodinator for unicef in italy. thank you forjoining us on our programme. your organisation says that 11,600 children have made the dangerous crossing this year, twice as much as the same time period last year. why? there are many reasons why children are travelling, but what is more important is that we need to prevent them from dying at sea. we have seen them from dying at sea. we have seen the number of this journey increasing but also the dangers increasing. 0nly increasing but also the dangers increasing. only for the first six months of the year we have recorded at least 489 children dying during these journey. at least 489 children dying during thesejourney. this makes the mediterranean routes the most dangerous for migrants around the world. we dangerous for migrants around the world. ~ , . ., dangerous for migrants around the world. ~ , . . ., , dangerous for migrants around the world. ~ , . . . , . world. we understand that many are travellin: world. we understand that many are travelling alone _ world. we understand that many are travelling alone either _ world. we understand that many are travelling alone either separated - travelling alone either separated from their parents on the journey, tell us more. we from their parents on the “ourney, tell us mi from their parents on the “ourney, tell us more. ~ ~ ., . ., . tell us more. we know that more than 70% of the children _ tell us more. we know that more than 70% of the children are _ tell us more. we know that more than 70% of the children are driving - tell us more. we know that more than 70% of the children are driving are - 70% of the children are driving are unaccompanied or separated from their parents. many have spent months travelling alone, facing sexual exportation, abuse and violence. i myself was in lampedusa a couple of weeks ago and met some of them. i think these children would not risk their safety and their lives if their situation at home were not so dire. so these children are feeling conflicts, poverty and extreme deprivation. so i think we really need to be much more compassionate towards them. figs more compassionate towards them. as you were on lampedusa recently tell us what the children face when they arrive. . , ., _, ., ,., arrive. the reception condition upon arrival are not _ arrive. the reception condition upon arrival are not always _ arrive. the reception condition upon arrival are not always ideal- arrive. the reception condition upon arrival are not always ideal for- arrival are not always idealfor children. particularly children travelling alone. the authorities are making a lot of effort to cope with this increasing number of arrivals. there have been cases where the facility was terribly overcrowded. we know the situation is improving now, but still we are lacking enough capacity to properly deal with unaccompanied children. why it is so difficult? they are travelling alone. they need to have access to protection services. we need to listen from them, we need to give them access eventually to schools, health services. as we would for any other child. it is an incredibly troubling _ would for any other child. it is an incredibly troubling and - would for any other child. it is an incredibly troubling and thank - would for any other child. it is an | incredibly troubling and thank you forjoining us tonight. joining me on our panel for the next hour is tom peck, political sketch writer for the independent, and victoria coates, former senior energy adviser to the trump administration. great to see both tonight. victoria, let's start with you. this is a trend we are seeing in the us as well. unaccompanied minors who are travelling to the us crossing the southern border.— travelling to the us crossing the southern border. good to be with ou. this southern border. good to be with yom this is _ southern border. good to be with yom this is a _ southern border. good to be with you. this is a terrible _ southern border. good to be with you. this is a terrible problem i southern border. good to be with l you. this is a terrible problem here in the us and it may be a good area to explore some transatlantic cooperation on best practices. what we do not want to do is, but these children injeopardy. we are having a terrible, terrible influx through the southern border of these undocumented, unaccompanied minors who then go into these terrible conditions, both slave labour, sexual exportation, there is an incredible documentary in the us tonight called the sound of freedom which documents a true story of a former dhs agent who makes it his life mission to try freebies children. it's a terrible scourge on all of our country so i hope we can cooperate to come up with solutions. is this something that the uk is addressing as well? we see the increased frequency of these shipwrecks in the mediterranean. this has been going on for a decade. a key— this has been going on for a decade. a key cause — this has been going on for a decade. a key cause of the uk boat for bremiser— a key cause of the uk boat for brexiteer seven years ago and nothing — brexiteer seven years ago and nothing has really changed. the problem — nothing has really changed. the problem of course is the countries that unfortunate people what to flee are not_ that unfortunate people what to flee are not able to please the places where _ are not able to please the places where they are able to depart from. and in_ where they are able to depart from. and in eight years numbers have not come _ and in eight years numbers have not come down, — and in eight years numbers have not come down, progress has not been made' _ come down, progress has not been made. and — come down, progress has not been made. and i— come down, progress has not been made, and i will not sit here and say i _ made, and i will not sit here and say i have — made, and i will not sit here and say i have a _ made, and i will not sit here and say i have a solution because i do not _ say i have a solution because i do not there — say i have a solution because i do not there is _ say i have a solution because i do not. there is only one thing you can do and _ not. there is only one thing you can do and that— not. there is only one thing you can do and that is— not. there is only one thing you can do and that is and an attempt to achieve — do and that is and an attempt to achieve some sort of political consensus whereby you do not make politics _ consensus whereby you do not make politics out _ consensus whereby you do not make politics out of waves of migrants, some _ politics out of waves of migrants, some describe them of swarms of cockroaches not that long ago. you have to _ cockroaches not that long ago. you have to build a political senses —— consensus — have to build a political senses —— consensus where the opportunity to make _ consensus where the opportunity to make low—grade politics out of it has to _ make low—grade politics out of it has to go — make low—grade politics out of it has to go. for the crucial reason is that there — has to go. for the crucial reason is that there is — has to go. for the crucial reason is that there is no reason to think this probable advocate better. large—scale migration, people from fleeing _ large—scale migration, people from fleeing from unlivable lives will go up fleeing from unlivable lives will go up and _ fleeing from unlivable lives will go up and up — fleeing from unlivable lives will go up and up into years and decades ahead _ up and up into years and decades ahead. there has to be at least the vicious _ ahead. there has to be at least the vicious politics taken out of it. that _ vicious politics taken out of it. that is — vicious politics taken out of it. that is the _ vicious politics taken out of it. that is the only meaningful step to take at— that is the only meaningful step to take at this point. to that is the only meaningful step to take at this point.— that is the only meaningful step to take at this point. to follow up, we know there — take at this point. to follow up, we know there has _ take at this point. to follow up, we know there has been _ take at this point. to follow up, we know there has been an _ take at this point. to follow up, we j know there has been an agreement with the eu and tunisia, the eu has in agreement with turkey, what if anything are all of these agreements are actually doing? that anything are all of these agreements are actually doing?— anything are all of these agreements are actually doing? at the moment in the uk we have _ are actually doing? at the moment in the uk we have this _ are actually doing? at the moment in the uk we have this problem - are actually doing? at the moment in the uk we have this problem of - the uk we have this problem of people — the uk we have this problem of people arriving in small boats from france _ people arriving in small boats from france. that is not people escaping biden, _ france. that is not people escaping biden, using biden as a place in which _ biden, using biden as a place in which to— biden, using biden as a place in which to try and get to the eu from countries _ which to try and get to the eu from countries that are war—torn —— biden — u nless unless you can specifically get your police officers to go to the country and also sort out problems in the countries that they are fleeing from, libya and syria and so on. then you will not get anywhere. the agreements are legal agreements and the whole _ agreements are legal agreements and the whole process of the people who are getting on both is a criminal enterprise _ are getting on both is a criminal enterprise. so all of the treaties you make — enterprise. so all of the treaties you make and all of the agreement you make and all of the agreement you signed, you are not going to be able to— you signed, you are not going to be able to outfox desperate people who want to _ able to outfox desperate people who want to come to a better country for a better— want to come to a better country for a better life — want to come to a better country for a better life. it want to come to a better country for a better life-— a better life. it certainly feels like an intractable _ a better life. it certainly feels like an intractable problem i a better life. it certainly feels like an intractable problem at a better life. it certainly feels - like an intractable problem at the moment notjust in europe but in the us as well. great to speak to you tom and victoria. coming back in a moment. let's move onto another story. in the us, the biden administration is expected to release an executive order on thursday restricting american investments in sensitive technologies in china. according to our us partner cbs news, american companies will be subject to new federal oversight that will scrutinise and potentially prevent some of their investments in china's tech industry. the goal is to ensure that us cash does not support china's military modernisation and potentially threaten the united states. earlier, we spoke to two members of the us house of representatives select committee on the chinese communist party. congressman raja krishnamoorthi, a democrat, and congressman darin lahood, a republican, both from the state of illinois. they're visiting the uk for meetings with their counterparts here, and we spoke about their work on the china committee. i think that this is exactly what we need to make sure that not only our dollars, but also potential technical expertise and know—how don't get into the wrong hands. what i mean by that is that we have investigated some of these firms, and what we've found is that they are invested in state—owned enterprises or other companies in china that unfortunately are affiliated with ccp entities that are developing hypersonic missile programmes, they're developing their nuclear programmes, they're helping with developing facial—recognition and ai software to repress the uyghurs. so we don't want to be invested in those types of programmes that harm our interests or our values. so, congressman lahood, what congressman krishnamoorthi has just been saying is essentially that us dollars have been until now also funding the development of chinese military interests. that's correct. you know, one thing the committee has been focused on is — how do we counteract china? and china continues to abide by a different set of rules and standards than every other industrialised country in the world does. and in many ways, they can't be trusted by their actions that they have taken, whether it's in al, whether it's in facial—recognition, whether it's the repression of uyghurs. and, you know, i think it came to a head when we saw the balloon fly over the us several months ago, their blatant support for ukraine, their wolf warrior diplomacy they continue to exhibit around the globe. and so those things have caused us to look at how do we change the narrative here? and i think the direction the biden administration is taking is a step forward. we've got to continue to put the pressure on them. what would that look like, continuing to put on the pressure? well, listen, ithink we have to come to the realisation — china has a plan to replace the united states, and they're working at it every single day. and i don't say that to scare people, but they want to beat us technologically, militarily, economically and diplomatically. and so we have to focus on — how do we win that strategic competition? and so how you do that is i think it's going to be won on the economic front and figuring out how do we partner with our like—minded allies in the indo—pacific region, be more engaged there from the economic standpoint to work with them to again... so that they're not so emboldened to side with china on things they feel like they're trapped. many of the countries in the indo—pacific region between china and us, we have to exert more leadership over there. frankly, i don't think this administration has done enough of that. congressman krishnamoorthi, you know, if you listen to the messaging from beijing, china has said that the us or accused the us of trying to suppress its economic rights. are you worried about some sort of reaction from china, particularly on this executive order? no, i'm not concerned. look, i think that we... you know, our quarrel is not with the chinese people. we don't seek to contain or suppress their legitimate economic aspirations. however, where they engage in cyber theft or hacks that involve planting malware in our critical infrastructure in the united states, where they, you know, engage in practices and aggression, especially military aggression against taiwan or in the south china sea or against even india in the himalayas. the point is that that is not the type of behaviour that's consistent with the international rules—based order. where we have differences, let's resolve them peacefully and let's play by rules that make sense. finally, i would just say the chinese economy is sliding right now. their youth unemployment rate is 22%. their real estate market is tanking. they're on the verge of deflation, and their number one export in the world right now is high—net—worth individuals, people who are fleeing the country because of the arbitrariness of their laws. and so this is not a time for them to engage in retaliatory measures or any types of other measures that could curb their prosperity. let's bring back victoria and tom. victoria to you first. we are expecting this white house executive order restricting investments in sensitive chinese technologies what do you think? i chinese technologies what do you think? . . , , . , , think? i agree that this is a step, but china has _ think? i agree that this is a step, but china has demonstrated - think? i agree that this is a step, but china has demonstrated that| think? i agree that this is a step, - but china has demonstrated that they will but denies anything from your door bell, for example, to a hypersonic missile. so i think it is a step and it should be encouraged but we need more. also what the congressman was just saying, they have very severe internal problems of their own. they based a lot of their growth on this foreign investment in china. so if the united states take serious steps to dry up that money, they will have a bad problem. they will also have a terrible demographic problem and you notice you don't have waves of displaced people trying to get into china the way that they are trying to get into europe and the united states. they will have a lot of trouble fixing that. we should press our advantage will stop your sing at the first step to follow—up, the administration public initial plan was far more sweeping, but they branded back after engaging with the private sector. sort branded back after engaging with the private sector-— private sector. sort of accompanies here that say _ private sector. sort of accompanies here that say this _ private sector. sort of accompanies here that say this threatens - private sector. sort of accompanies here that say this threatens to - here that say this threatens to stifle our growth our investments? that's the challenge. we don't want to throw away the baby with the bath water industry are our own economy in the process but i think we can definitely do that with. we need to help these private sector entities decouple from china as much as we can so that they can find alternative markets elsewhere. thinking of india for example. a great place that you could move manufacturing facilities and that kind of investment with also a large population at a much more friendly to the united states. so i think we need a whole of nation, both private and public sector approach to this. and that is the kind of admission that the american people are prepared for. the pulling on china has literally fallen off of the cleft in the united states and gone in an extremely negative. so i think american people willing to shoulder this burden. i american people willing to shoulder this burden. ., . ,~' american people willing to shoulder this burden. ., . i. american people willing to shoulder this burden-— this burden. i would ask you where the uk stance _ this burden. i would ask you where the uk stance on _ this burden. i would ask you where the uk stance on all— this burden. i would ask you where the uk stance on all of— this burden. i would ask you where the uk stance on all of this. - this burden. i would ask you where the uk stance on all of this. eightl the uk stance on all of this. eight question up to the congress meant that they did not answer which was about the accusing the british government for being weak for complying with us demands to comply with cut ties with business deals with cut ties with business deals with china. does that reflect the common opinion in the business community in the uk? the common opinion in the business community in the uk?— common opinion in the business community in the uk? the uk does not matter. community in the uk? the uk does not matter- what — community in the uk? the uk does not matter- what we _ community in the uk? the uk does not matter. what we are _ community in the uk? the uk does not matter. what we are discussing - community in the uk? the uk does not matter. what we are discussing and - matter. what we are discussing and it is a _ matter. what we are discussing and it is a very— matter. what we are discussing and it is a very depressing discussion as a furthering of, a complete breakdown of the important relationship in the world. the uk role is _ relationship in the world. the uk role is that— relationship in the world. the uk role is that us's long—standing best friend _ role is that us's long—standing best friend and _ role is that us's long—standing best friend and whether or not we have accepted — friend and whether or not we have accepted it — friend and whether or not we have accepted it in our five—year infrastructure and that sort of thing — infrastructure and that sort of thing is — infrastructure and that sort of thing is happy to discuss, but it does _ thing is happy to discuss, but it does not — thing is happy to discuss, but it does not way a feather in the balance — does not way a feather in the balance was stub what matters more than anything is the relationship to the us— than anything is the relationship to the us and china. i'm not pointing blame _ the us and china. i'm not pointing blame at — the us and china. i'm not pointing blame at anyone at all. i think biden— blame at anyone at all. i think biden is— blame at anyone at all. i think biden is correct to do what he has done _ biden is correct to do what he has done but— biden is correct to do what he has done but if— biden is correct to do what he has done. but if china say that america is trying _ done. but if china say that america is trying to— done. but if china say that america is trying to suppress its ambitions to become — is trying to suppress its ambitions to become a global superpower, which is, and _ to become a global superpower, which is, and it— to become a global superpower, which is, and it is— to become a global superpower, which is, and it is right to do so, but that's— is, and it is right to do so, but that's what— is, and it is right to do so, but that's what happening. then there is no surprise _ that's what happening. then there is no surprise that china forms, finds in brescia — no surprise that china forms, finds in brescia and alia, a dependable one and _ in brescia and alia, a dependable one and therefore cannot continence the ukraine. and it makes difficult a time _ the ukraine. and it makes difficult a time where they need to cooperate. and questions like quantum computing and al, _ and questions like quantum computing and ai, they are scary but they have massive _ and ai, they are scary but they have massive potential to improve mankind _ massive potential to improve mankind. we need to be working on it together _ mankind. we need to be working on it together. the stuff is happening at the worst _ together. the stuff is happening at the worst possible time. the most important — the worst possible time. the most important relationship ever been going _ important relationship ever been going south and it has never ever been _ going south and it has never ever been more — going south and it has never ever been more important that it goes the other wav~ _ been more important that it goes the other way. its been more important that it goes the other wa . �* ., ., ., been more important that it goes the otherwa .�* ., ., ., ,. ,, other way. a lot more to discuss with both of _ other way. a lot more to discuss with both of you. _ other way. a lot more to discuss with both of you. back— other way. a lot more to discuss with both of you. back with - other way. a lot more to discuss - with both of you. back with my panel in just a short bit. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. the names of thousands of people adopted as children were available on a genealogy website, it has emerged. safety and privacy fears were raised after a motherfound details of adoptions dating back more than 100 years on the scotland's people site. the national record of scotland said it removed the information 36 hours after the mother complained it could endanger her adopted child. a fire which ripped through a landmark pub days before it was unexpectedly demolished is being treated as arson, police say. the crooked house, near dudley in the black country, caught fire on saturday night and was then bulldozed on monday, prompting anger from local residents. the pub, once britain's "wonkiest", was sold by marston's last month. a bbc investigation has discovered thousands of people on universal credit are having money deducted to pay their utility bills, despite a legal case that challenged the policy. anyone on old—style benefits must give consent, but it isn't required from those on universal credit. the department for work and pensions insists it "strikes a fair balance". you're live with bbc news. some more now on that breaking news out of pakistan. where the parliament has been dissolved. lets go live to our south asia regional editor, anbarasan ethirajan. great to see you first full explain what is behind this dissolving of parliament. the what is behind this dissolving of parliament-— what is behind this dissolving of parliament. . ., . _ parliament. the national assembly has been dissolved _ parliament. the national assembly has been dissolved by _ parliament. the national assembly has been dissolved by the - parliament. the national assembly| has been dissolved by the president based on the advice of the prime minister, shehbaz sharif. the pakistani parliament has completed its five—year term and a lot of political drama during this five years during the election was one by imran khan's political party pti and last year the coalition had to buy shehbaz sharif took over. since then imran khan has been holding opposition rallies in the last few months and now he has been injail because of corruption charges which he denies. we have to wait and see whether the elections will be held within 90 days as per the constitution because the government is now accepting a new senses. that means they have to redraw some of the boundaries of the constituencies. that will take a few months. one minister was indicating that elections could be delayed by a few months. it all depends on whether imran khan's partey work imran khan will be allowed to run for progress receipts. because election commission of pakistan has already barred him for five years based on the court verdict. but imran khan's party says they will go to the high court and appeal the verdict. and if it goes into his vapour he can probably run for election but for now the election commission says he cannot run for any political office for five years. a compex political situation. we know that imran khan still has a large group of supporters. what are they saying about this's the party of imran khan would say that they are arguing that in an election. the ower of are arguing that in an election. tue: power of participation are arguing that in an election. tt;e: power of participation of are arguing that in an election. tt9 power of participation of imran khan or pti. the legitimacy of the election would be in question. in the minds of the people in the way the minds of the people in the way the people look at it it's like they are trained to eliminate. this is the argument of pti from the main political system. that is going to raise questions further because everyone knows that in pakistan, militaries playing a key role and imran khan accused the military of being behind the power which the military denies. the whole of imran khan supporters will be watching to see if the he will be allowed to run or if his party will be allowed to be able to take part in elections. and if you look at all of the by elections in the last year, his party has won a majority of them. that shows that he still has a big following among his supporters and in many of his provinces. that is why the government is also very keen that they want to have this legitimacy. that is why they say after the admonition takes over, then they will start the election process. —— administration. then they will start the election process. -- administration. thank ou for process. -- administration. thank you for this _ process. -- administration. thank you for this update _ process. -- administration. thank you for this update on _ process. -- administration. thank you for this update on this - process. -- administration. thank you for this update on this a - you for this update on this a developing story. some more breaking news now — and six people have died in fires in hawaii. some areas have had to be evacuated because of wildfires fuelled by hurricane winds. some residents were forced to jump into the sea to escape the flames. local media has described the scenes on the island of maui as "apocalyptic". live now to manoa and clay trauernicht from the university of hawaii. he is the project leader for the pacific fire exchange, and a member of fire science exchange network. thank you forjoining us. it sounds like a terrible situation. tell us what has been happening. tt’s like a terrible situation. tell us what has been happening. it's pretty difficult to get _ what has been happening. it's pretty difficult to get directed _ what has been happening. it's pretty difficult to get directed news - what has been happening. it's pretty difficult to get directed news off - difficult to get directed news off of the ground. because the incident is ongoing. firefighting researches are spread pretty thin. there is simultaneous fire upcountry maui as well so they are sped pretty thin and it is difficult to understand what is happening directly on the ground. flan what is happening directly on the round. :, ,, what is happening directly on the round. :, i. , . :, what is happening directly on the uround. :, y:, , :, :, , ground. can you explain how these fires have spiralled _ ground. can you explain how these fires have spiralled out _ ground. can you explain how these fires have spiralled out of - ground. can you explain how these fires have spiralled out of control? | fires have spiralled out of control? sure, we are seeing the worst case scenario in terms of these short—term weather events that we are experiencing now. so it is true we are experiencing high winds and low relative humidity as the storm passes to the south of the island. so it is drawing and moisture from the air and creating these really high and gusty winds. the longer term changes that have increased the vulnerability of communities across the state is that the fact that we have seen agricultural declines over the past couple of decades. so as the past couple of decades. so as the footprint of ranching and plantation agricultural has shrunk, all of those lands have been filled in with these non—native grasses, tropical grasses. so it creates incredibly dangerous conditions, challenging conditions and is something that we need to be investing in as far as taking action to reduce that risk. in other words things that are in our control. but it takes. dance before these events occur. t it takes. dance before these events occur. :, , , it takes. dance before these events occur. . , , , , . ~ occur. i view has been speaking we are looking — occur. i view has been speaking we are looking at _ occur. i view has been speaking we are looking at some _ occur. i view has been speaking we are looking at some images of- occur. i view has been speaking we are looking at some images of a i are looking at some images of a press conference taking place in hawai'i. authorities addressing what has been happening. he mentioned that six people have died and also people have had tojump into the that six people have died and also people have had to jump into the sea had to avoid flames. what are authorities trained to do at this moment to trinket the situation under control and make sure people are safe? t under control and make sure people are safe? :, , under control and make sure people are safe? ., , :, , , are safe? i was the priority is human lives. _ are safe? i was the priority is human lives. and _ are safe? i was the priority is human lives. and then - human lives. and then infrastructure. i think the difference with what we are seeing with these fires is that itjumped from pete's vegetated areas, all of the brush around the town into the town and once the tradition set houses on fire instructors burning it is incredibly difficult to suppress. so again when we talk about the medication and action we can around the landscape, those are all make these firefighters jobs more effective and safer conditions for them to be able to work. so again the combination of long—term changes in the landscape around this increase in all of these tropical grasslands across the state combined with this weather conditions makes this incredibly vulnerable. horse this incredibly vulnerable. how about the area _ this incredibly vulnerable. how about the area where - this incredibly vulnerable. how about the area where you are? are you concerned you could see similar wildfires? taste you concerned you could see similar wildfires? ~ :, you concerned you could see similar wildfires? ~ . . . you concerned you could see similar wildfires? ~ . . : ~ ., wildfires? we are watching. again this problem _ wildfires? we are watching. again this problem is _ wildfires? we are watching. again this problem is consistent - wildfires? we are watching. again this problem is consistent across. this problem is consistent across the state. we have around 1 million acres state—wide. these tropical savannahs, more or less. as i said, it is the change around the communities that we have experience in the past couple of tickets that create very, very dangerous conditions. high vulnerability and sensitivity to this alignment of fire weather that we are seeing today. fire weather that we are seeing toda . :, , , :, today. troubling news there for hawai'i. thank _ today. troubling news there for hawai'i. thank you _ today. troubling news there for hawai'i. thank you for - today. troubling news there for hawai'i. thank you for bringing | today. troubling news there for i hawai'i. thank you for bringing us up—to—date great to speak with you tonight and we of course hope that everyone is safe.— tonight and we of course hope that everyone is safe. thank you so much for havin: everyone is safe. thank you so much for having me- _ we'll keep an eye on that story and the other breaking news coming from pakistan as well. we will keep you updated on the stories in the next half—hour as well. thank you for watching the programme. good evening. it's been a warmer day for many parts of the uk, it'll be a warmer night as well, noticeably in the north, and a warmer day still tomorrow. a burst of summer warmth coming through with some sunshine for most parts of the uk. during the day that we've just had, however, we've had this weak warm front pushing northwards, drizzle through northern ireland, western scotland. we had misty low cloud and fog around some of the coasts and hills of the irish sea in the southwest approaches. now, that's still around in some areas, so too the drizzle in the north, and we've still got a pretty brisk wind blowing in the northeast of scotland. but for most of us, it's a fine evening followed by a fine night — but notice there are some pockets of cloud developing — low cloud, fog, so we could have some fog as we head towards morning once again. but it's, as i mentioned earlier, a warmer night — noticeably so in the north, quite muggy in the south. but at this time of year, late august or mid—to—late august, that fog does hang around just a little. but we are drawing up with a light southerly wind, some much warmer air during the day ahead, which means that we are going to see temperatures into the 20s quite widely, which will, of course clear away any morning fog. there could still be the odd shower bubbling up. we should see fewer showers for shetland, the winds should finally ease here — it's been near gale force for two or three days. later in the day as well, the next weather front approaches, but for all intents and purposes, it's a fine day. as i mentioned, 20s quite widely away from the north of scotland, peaking at 26—27 perhaps across southern and eastern areas. but by the time we get to the evening and overnight, we've got the next weather system marching in, driven in by this next area of low pressure, which will bring some brisker winds, some fresher feeling weather by friday — although you can see we still got that overnight rain lingering in the north close to southern and eastern areas and we might see some more rain pushing back in later in the day. but again, it's a day of scattered showers, more so on thursday, but we will see some areas escaping altogether. still relatively warm in eastern areas, but still fresher now further west. that fresher atlantic air is with us throughout the weekend for all by that stage, that warm having disappeared. and there'll be heavy prolonged showers, particularly in the north and west, close to where the area of low pressure is anchored. so, fewest showers further south and east. some places might escape dry, but on the whole, we're back to a fresher and more showery picture across the uk. more online. hello, i'm sumi somaskanda. you're watching the context on bbc news. it's long been thought that 10,000 is the magic number,

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