A brighter day for you, with sunny spells. A few showers, but very windy across the far north east and into the northern isles, where it will be quite chilly for lerwick. For wednesday, will be quite chilly for lerwick. Forwednesday, not will be quite chilly for lerwick. For wednesday, not a bad day stop we will start to see some sunshine around. Some may stand murkiness and western areas, with some trend in the south east, after 2a degrees. Low 20s further north. It will turn increasingly humid. Towards the end of the week we start to tap into some warmth in the near continent. It will be turning dry and warm for many of us. This is a short lived speu many of us. This is a short lived spell of warm weather. See temperatures up to the mid 20s across scotland, may be the high 20s for england and wales. Good spells of sunshine. It doesnt last long, low pressure out in the atlantic starts to sweep in during friday and that will bring showers and longer spells of rain to northern and western areas. The temperatures fall back again. Quite fine for the weekend across southern and eastern parts. See you later. More analysis of course on newsnight with victoria derbyshire, just getting underway on bbc two. But the news continues here on bbc one, as we join our colleagues for the news where you are. Bye for now. 15 Asylum Seekers are spending their first night on a controversial barge in dorset. The Asylum Backlog is 173,000. Tonight we ask, whats gone wrong with the Asylum System . The bibby stockholm barge isjust one part of the governments asylum plan. Tonight, we look at the whole system. Well hear from Conservative Mp and former immigration minister sir robert goodwill. As well as labour peer lord dubs. Also tonight instability in west africa. After coup leaders in niger closed the countrys airspace until further notice in response to an ultimatum from regional powers to restore the ousted president , how much could the situation escalate across the region . There could be changes to how young people with Gender Dysphoria are treated by health care professionals. Nhs england is looking at whether to refer i7 and 18 year olds directly to adult gender services. Well ask one 16 year old in the process of transitioning what he thinks about that. And professional Cage Fighter Teddy Stringer is here to give his assessement of Zuckerberg V Musk as the two social media tycoons get a step closer to going head to head in the ring. The uk Asylum System is broken thats the governments word, by the way. Since 2010, its regularly talked about fixing it while also pledging to deter Illegal Migrants from coming here. David cameron back in 2014 warned Illegal Migrants that the government would find them and send them back to the country they came from. Under theresa may, go home vans drove around london. Another tory prime minister, Boris Johnson, said brexit would mean taking back control of our borders. Under his premiership, it brought in the nationality and borders act then Home Secretary priti patel said it would deter illegal entry into the uk. And it will remove more easily from the uk those with no right to be here. Less than a year after that became law, another tory pm introduced the rwanda plan, with the illegal Migration Bill, now law. So far, no one has been removed to rwanda because the policy is stuck in the courts. Perhaps thats why a couple of conservative supporting newspapers were briefed today about the resuscitation of Ascension Island in the South Atlantic as a place for outsourcing the processing of migrants, despite it reportedly being rejected several years ago by this government because of cost. And today, 15 Asylum Seekers moved onto the barge stationed in portland in dorset. In a moment, well ask if the system is broken because of or despite the conservatives having been in charge of it for the last 13 years . First, heres ben with numbers and facts and context. There have been plenty of headlines and heated arguments about the governments Asylum Policies and more today with the first Asylum Seekers being housed on a barge off the dorset coast. But what we want to do tonight is dig into what the numbers show us about how the government is faring when it comes to delivering on its own asylum pledges. Lets start with rishi sunak� s central pledge to stop the boats, though small boat Channel Crossings whose occupants mostly go on to claim asylum. The pm made this pledge injanuary. Whats happened since then . Well, heres the numbers detected making small boat crossings in 2020 , 2022, around 115,000 over the course of the year, up to the end ofjuly this year, the total was running around 10 lower than at the same stage last year, so slightly lower, but by no means stopped. Another pledge made by Rishi Sunak Last December was to clear the uks long and expensive backlog of Asylum Claims by the end of 2023. This referred to those claims submitted beforejune 2022. The number of those claims has reduced from around 100,000 to around 77,000 by april. The pace of processing has increased, but there are still doubts about whether the pace is sufficient to eradicate this backlog by the end of this year. Moreover, as you can see, the total number of Asylum Claims awaiting a decision, so this includes those made Sincejune 2022 has barely fallen from its peak. And then theres the governments flagship legislation designed to effectively make it illegal for people to travel to the uk to claim asylum, as opposed to them being invited via safe routes, and also to deport people to rwanda if they attempt to come. The illegal Migration Bill, which places a legal duty on the government to detain and remove those arriving in the uk illegally, either to rwanda or another Safe Third Country was finally passed by parliament injuly. Yet, injune, the appeal court ruled deficiencies in rwandas own Asylum System meant the plan was illegal. The government is appealing that decision at the Supreme Court. Yet, if that appeal fails, then the rwanda plan would seem to be over and the government would have to look for somewhere else to deport people to. The home office had expected that by april 2023 it would be removing 250 people each month to third countries for processing of their Asylum Claims, notjust rwanda. Zero have so far been removed in this way. Its worth bearing in mind that one of the goals of the rwanda plan and the illegal Migration Bill and indeed all of the governments suite of Asylum Policies, has been to serve as a powerful disincentive for people to travel to the uk to claim asylum in the first place. Is there any evidence that its had that effect . I havent seen any. There is some evidence on whether deterrence policies more generally work, and its tended to find that deterrence policies have a relatively small impact. Theres one caveat, though, which is that the Available Evidence is based on policy in countries, Notjust The Uk but other countries too, and those policies have been less restrictive, less radical than what the government has pursued with the Illegal Migration Act and the Rwanda Policy. So that remains, i think, an Open Question as to whether this policy and the governments whole deterrence approach more broadly, whether it will have the impact that the government is hoping it will do. So its too soon to say definitively that the governments Asylum Policy has failed on its own terms, but the evidence so far is not encouraging. In a moment, well speak to the labour peer lord dubs, but first lets speak to Conservative Mp and former immigration minister sir robert goodwill. Thank you for talking to us. It doesnt seem to matter whether its david cameron, theresa may, Boris Johnson or rishi sunak, whatever the government tries to do, it failed, doesnt it . Doesnt it . Well, we have seen tremendous doesnt it . Well, we have seen tremendous pressure doesnt it . Well, we have seen tremendous pressure from doesnt it . Well, we have seen tremendous pressure from Criminal Gangs tremendous pressure from Criminal Gangs bringing people to this country gangs bringing people to this country to strip some of them are people country to strip some of them are people seeking to make a better life, people seeking to make a better life. They people seeking to make a better life, they are economic migrants, and the life, they are economic migrants, and the system is so many coming that weve and the system is so many coming that weve been unable to continue with policies like david camerons, where with policies like david camerons, where we with policies like david camerons, where we were taking people from the camps where we were taking people from the camps surrounding syria. We are making camps surrounding syria. We are making progress in an increasing number making progress in an increasing number of making progress in an increasing number of people Processing Claims and we number of people Processing Claims and we hope to clear the backlog by the end and we hope to clear the backlog by the end of and we hope to clear the backlog by the end of the year but, in the meantime, there is tremendous pressure meantime, there is tremendous pressure on accommodation, particularly hotels, so i think the accommodation we have seen be put in Service Accommodation we have seen be put in service today, similar to accommodation used in places like holland accommodation used in places like holland and belgium, and similar to accommodation used in scotland for ukrainians. But accommodation used in scotland for ukrainians. Ukrainians. But the cup and says the asylum ukrainians. But the cup and says the Asylum System ukrainians. But the cup and says the Asylum System is ukrainians. But the cup and says the Asylum System is broken. Ukrainians. But the cup and says the Asylum System is broken. You | ukrainians. But the cup and says. The Asylum System is broken. You are in charge. You have been for 13 years. You have broken the system, havent you . Nick weve been fought on every front by the labour party. Youve been in charge for 13 years had know you said the system is broken first up is at your door. Weve been fighting against the illegal weve been fighting against the illegal migration, what with the french, illegal migration, what with the french, trying to prevent boats being french, trying to prevent boats being lodged. French, trying to prevent boats being lodged french, trying to prevent boats bein lodued. ~. , being lodged. Who has broken the s stem . Being lodged. Who has broken the system . The being lodged. Who has broken the system . The system being lodged. Who has broken the system . The system is being lodged. Who has broken the system . The system is being being lodged. Who has broken the i system . The system is being broken b the system . The system is being broken by the Criminal System . The system is being broken by the Criminal Gangs system . The system is being broken by the Criminal Gangs who system . The system is being broken by the Criminal Gangs who are by the Criminal Gangs who are bringing by the Criminal Gangs who are bringing people to this country who shouldnt bringing people to this country who shouldnt be here. You bringing people to this country who shouldnt be here. Shouldnt be here. You have had 13 ears to shouldnt be here. You have had 13 years to solve shouldnt be here. You have had 13 years to solve that. Shouldnt be here. You have had 13 years to solve that. I shouldnt be here. You have had 13 years to solve that. I think shouldnt be here. You have had 13 years to solve that. I think the years to solve that. I think the Rwanda System years to solve that. I think the Rwanda System would years to solve that. I think the Rwanda System would provide i years to solve that. I think the i Rwanda System would provide a years to solve that. I think the Rwanda System would provide a real deterrent Rwanda System would provide a real deterrent. With australia, where they processed people in the cook islands, they processed people in the cook islands, their numbers evaporated almost islands, their numbers evaporated almost overnight we very much have to push almost overnight we very much have to push for almost overnight we very much have to push for the Rwanda Policy and et to push for the Rwanda Policy and get through this Supreme Court decision get through this Supreme Court decision is adopted by the way, it was a decision is adopted by the way, it was a 2i decision is adopted by the way, it was a 2 1 decision on the court of appeal was a 2 1 decision on the court of appeal and was a 2 1 decision on the court of appeal and the problem was to do with the appeal and the problem was to do with the fact that they sit rundle is a safe with the fact that they sit rundle is a safe country but they were not sure people couldnt then be deported elsewhere. Well, rwanda dont actually have an agreement with other dont actually have an agreement with other countries around the world, with other countries around the world, so with other countries around the world, so i with other countries around the world, so i think it might be possible world, so i think it might be possible to reassure people that rwanda possible to reassure people that rwanda will not be a place where people rwanda will not be a place where people can then be further moved to other people can then be further moved to other unsafe countries. Two people can then be further moved to other unsafe countries. Other unsafe countries. Two out of three appeal other unsafe countries. Two out of three appeal court other unsafe countries. Two out of three appeal court judges other unsafe countries. Two out of Three Appeal Courtjudges ruled i other unsafe countries. Two out of Three Appeal Courtjudges ruled it| Three Appeal Courtjudges ruled it was unlawful because they couldnt be sure rwanda would remove people back to their original country, their country of origin, where they might be at risk. Thats quite a big hurdle, isnt it . You say the driver of the number of applications and the backlog is the Criminal Gangs who are bringing people here, but not according to the Home Affairs Select committee, who said the slow processing of applications has been a big driver to the backlog and increase in the number of applications. Nick that is why we have been recruiting more decision makings. Have been recruiting more decision makinus. ~. ,. ,. ,. ,. , have been recruiting more decision makinus. ~. ,. ,. ,. , makings. Were on track to have about 2500 decision makings. Were on track to have about 2500 Decision Makers makings. Were on track to have about 2500 Decision Makers of makings. Were on track to have about 2500 Decision Makers of the makings. Were on track to have about 2500 Decision Makers of the year. Makings. Were on track to have about 2500 Decision Makers of the year. I i 2500 Decision Makers of the year. I dont 2500 Decision Makers of the year. Dont think 2500 Decision Makers of the year. I dont think thats right, sorry. Nick these are figures from the immigration minister and they say they are increasing the productivity. They are increasing the productivity. They are increasing the roductivi. ,. , productivity. The last two months, productivity productivity. The last two months, Productivity Has productivity. The last two months, Productivity Has been productivity. The last two months, Productivity Has been much productivity. The last two months, | Productivity Has been much better. Click according to the nao, the Home Office Click according to the nao, the home office is click according to the nao, the home office is going to have to make an office is going to have to make average of office is going to have to make an average of 2200 decisions every week between now and december in order to meet mr sue neck� s pledge to clear the backlog by the end of the by april you up to about 1300 a week. The most recent figures from Robert Jenrick the most recent figures from Robert Jenrick is the most recent figures from Robert Jenrick is they are now recruiting people. Jenrick is they are now recruiting people, Productivity Has improved and they people, Productivity Has improved and they will be able to clear the backlog and they will be able to clear the backlog by the end of the year philip backlog by the end of the year philip i backlog by the end of the year philip i got that from Robert Jenrick philip i got that from Robert Jenrick today. Do philip i got that from Robert Jenrick today. Philip i got that from Robert Jenrick today. Philip i got that from Robert Jenrick toda. ,. , jenrick today. Do you believe him . Nick they are jenrick today. Do you believe him . Nick they are the jenrick today. Do you believe him . Nick they are the most jenrick today. Do you believe him . Nick they are the most uptodatej nick they are the most up to date figures we have. We nick they are the most uptodate figures we have. Figures we have. We really need to make Progress Figures we have. We really need to make progress in figures we have. We really need to make progress in Processing Figures we have. We really need to| make progress in Processing Claims and break make progress in Processing Claims and break the Business Model of these and break the Business Model of these Criminal Gangs, bringing people these Criminal Gangs, bringing people here, many of whom disappear into the people here, many of whom disappear into the system when they get here because into the system when they get here because part of the deal isntjust the fee because part of the deal isntjust the fee they paid to get here but they are the fee they paid to get here but they are forced into modern slavery, sometimes they are forced into modern slavery, sometimes prostitution, to pay back the rest sometimes prostitution, to pay back the rest of sometimes prostitution, to pay back the rest of the fee. We need to stop this trait the rest of the fee. We need to stop this trait. We the rest of the fee. We need to stop this trait. ~ ~. , the rest of the fee. We need to stop this trait. ~ ~. ,. ,. , this trait. We know what you think needs to be this trait. We know what you think needs to be done this trait. We know what you think needs to be done because this trait. We know what you think needs to be done because you this trait. We know what you think needs to be done because you tell this trait. We know what you think i needs to be done because you tell us that we need to stop this trait, but you have had 13 years to do that and havent managed it, so why should anyone believe you will be able to do it now . We anyone believe you will be able to do it now . Do it now . We have been under unprecedented do it now . We have been under unprecedented pressure. Do it now . We have been under unprecedented pressure. We i do it now . We have been under. Unprecedented pressure. We have do it now . We have been under unprecedented pressure. We have been working unprecedented pressure. We have been working with the french to try and deter working with the french to try and deter people and have been arrests of criminal deter people and have been arrests of Criminal Gangs and we got tough sentences of Criminal Gangs and we got tough sentences. But we need to make further sentences. But we need to make further progress. But getting the rwanda further progress. But getting the rwanda deal over the line, getting the approval of the courts i think will be the approval of the courts i think will be a the approval of the courts i think will be a seminal moment in this process will be a seminal moment in this process i will be a seminal moment in this process. I think people will not want process. I think people will not want to process. I think people will not want to come here if they are going to be want to come here if they are going to be processed in rwanda. We want to come here if they are going to be processed in rwanda. To be processed in rwanda. We will see what happens to be processed in rwanda. We will see what happens in to be processed in rwanda. We will see what happens in the to be processed in rwanda. We will see what happens in the supreme i see what happens in the Supreme Court. Lets talk now to labour peer lord dubs, who is one of those who has campaigned against the illegal Migration Bill. Thank you for speaking to us. If labour win the next election, your Shadow Immigration Minister Has said you would continue to use those barges to house migrants for a period of time to stop what do you think of that . I time to stop what do you think of that . , � 4 time to stop what do you think of that . , � ~. , that . I dont think we can ust stop thins that . I dont think we can ust stop things overnight. H that . I dont think we can ust stop things overnight. The that . I dont think we can just stop things overnight. The government | that . I dont think we can just stop. Things overnight. The government had made such a mess of the policy and it would be sensible, as you have just quoted, if we do continue for a short term to house people, otherwise we would have nowhere to put them, but it is the sign of a complete failure of the Government Policy that we are in this position and you are asking this question. Would labour repeal the illegal Immigration Act . Im would labour repeal the illegal Immigration Act . Would labour repeal the illegal Immigration Act . Im not on the front edge Immigration Act . Im not on the front edge lm Immigration Act . Im not on the front edge im just Immigration Act . Im not on the front edge im just a Immigration Act . Im not on the front edge im just a humble front edge im just a humble backbencher. What labour has said is we will have new legislation to cover the whole field of refugees and Asylum Seekers. New legislation to change the way it is going to everybody wants to stop the boats. There is no question about that. But the whole system is failing and we need new legislation to do that, and that will require looking at everything thats going on, so many things have gone wrong. We are not sending people back who have failed to claim asylum successfully. Thank i have the list of what Yvette Cooper has said i have the list of what Yvette Cooper has sai i have the list of what yvette cooer has sai . ,. ,. ,. , cooper has said that labour would do if the won cooper has said that labour would do if they won the cooper has said that labour would do if they won the next cooper has said that labour would do if they won the next general if they won the next general election. A Cross Border Police unit, faster decision making, fast returns, and the use of hotel and you agree with france and other countries, redesigning existing resettlement claims to include a clear process for refugees with family commitments. Desperate mailings here. None of that would stop the boats. L mailings here. None of that would stop the boats. Stop the boats. I think it would. If we had a better stop the boats. I think it would. If we had a better agreement stop the boats. I think it would. If we had a better agreement with l we had a better agreement with france, we really have Everything Agreement with france, a better agreement with france, a better agreement with france means that together we could catch the people traffickers, those vile people who are endangering lives in the channel, and i think what Yvette Cooper said would have the makings of a pretty good policy. We have to be able to send people back who dont succeed in claiming Refugee Status. We have to give a decent welcome to people who claim Refugee Status successfully. We need to hugh pym a proper human rights based positive step 13 years of complete failure, and the Home Secretary is not managing to get on top of the problem. Labourwill do not managing to get on top of the problem. Labour will do that. Not managing to get on top of the problem. Labourwill do that. I not managing to get on top of the problem. Labour will do that. I have confidence Yvette Cooper would do it. Thank you for talking to our audience. How much are the Russian Wagner group involved in the coup in niger . According to Foreign Office minister andrew mitchell, russian flags have been seen on the streets of the country. In the meantime, nigers coup leaders have closed the countrys airspace until further notice, citing the threat of Military Intervention from their neighbours. Following the coup last month, a group of countries in western africa had demanded nigers president be reinstated by sunday night, threatening intervention if their demands werent met. The deadline passed without the release of president mohammed bazoum. So how did we get here . President Mohamed Bazoum ate breakfast as normal, but something was amiss. His own guard laid siege to the president ial palace, president Mohamed Bazoum had been detained. The head of the president ial guard declared himself leader blaming the government for failing to secure the country against islamist insurgents. Such reasoning was also behind recent coups in neighbouring burkina faso and mali whose Military Regime both that will be seven. What those documents say is they are lowering the upper age limit from just before someones 80th birthday 216, an immediate term at least. Its always been a feature of this really long waiting list that some young people will age out. Though beyond that, under 18 service but now its happening on mass for the nhs england having these documents that all 17 year olds who are currently waiting and are new to the weightless will have to make a decision of whether to pursue a referral to adult Gender Clinics. Same will be the case for 16 who are on the waiting list but will hooch turn 17 by next march. Thats more than 3000 million people. Its causing concern for some but for different reasons. On the one hand youve got young people seeking transition, some of whove been on the waiting list for years already. Now being moved to another waiting list. They wontjoin the bottom of it so the time theyve spent waiting will be respected. The waiting list for Gender Identity Clinics for adults are extremely long. Its unclear how long they will have to wait Going Forward. On the other hand, there is also significant concern that the 16 and 17 year olds are going to access the same level of care that other children and young people have Going Forward in these new services. They are being underpinned by the findings of the doctor leading the independent review of gender identity services. One of the things they are trying to tackle is what she called diagnostic overshadowing, which is where young people presented with gender related stress, which is absolutely real also head of the difficulties at the same time. Because they were seen by a gender Services Sometimes those other things get overlooked for the plants to stop that happening by having a more Holistic Approach fear 17 year olds wont get that. What dr hilary cass notes is the aduu what dr hilary cass notes is the Adult Services are quite different, and she says the move to Adult Services at age 17 to 18 could fall at a critical time in a Young Persons gender management. In contrast, young people with neurodiversity often remain under Children Services until 19 and some other Clinical Services continuing to 20s. Further consideration will be needed regarding that. There is a fear that isnt happening. Thank ou, a fear that isnt happening. Thank you. Hannah in a moment were going to talk to a 16 year old whos waiting for his first appointment with the children and Young People Service, and a 39 year old who transitioned using Adult Services. First lets hear from anna castle, whose17 year old daughter says she has Gender Dysphoria. What does anna think about this potential change . Yeah, its hard to determine whos going to end up where when they so many especially girls who arent actively diagnosed with any kind of neurodiversity, given that, historically, they are underdiagnosed because of being set to the male presentation. I was diagnosed at 33. With what . With autism. Right. And i see a lot of myself in a lot of these girls, and theres so many of them. And for me, i can only imagine. Its things like the sensory side of your body changing and things like that that i dont think these clinics are even going to consider. Well, thats the recommendation for children and young people they will consider an individual holistically but as you say, those kind of assessments dont happen in the Adult Services. I just want to ask you, though arent you actually an adult at 17, 18 . No, your brains not fully developed untilaround 25, so, i mean, i dont think its fair to say that you are mature enough to know yourself or anything like that. But, i mean, you must acknowledge there are many 17 and 18 year olds who are mature to acknowledge how they feel, and some people might conclude from what youre saying, you just dont want people to transition. No, its not that. I think that, like ijust said with my own experience of my daughter having been brought up to play with male and female stereotypical things, the clothes and everything, to then have her during lockdown expand her circles on discord and local schools kind of getting involved and then a lot of children from her school, her local school suddenly having a trans identity, i think there is something wrong there. And at her age she will have missed the benefits that could come out of the cass review and we will be back to square one with the Adult Services. ~ be back to square one with the Adult Services. ,. ,. ,. ,. , services. Thank you for talking to us. Lets speak to 16 year old will smyth, who is waiting for his first appointment with the gender identity service, and chay brown who is director of health care at the Charity Transactual He began transitioning at the age of 31. Thank you for speaking to us on newsnight with your parents permission. What do you think about this proposal to move 17 and 18 year olds from the Young People Service to Adult Services . I think its limiting things like, what at people can access. Somebody like me who has autism or strains of Mental Health that might correlate with a shift or sense of identity that is more abstract than male or female or anything, that doesnt stop when they get referred to Adult Services. The transition from child to Adult Services has become fluid, almost. It has to be incorporating both holistic and medicinal support for children and adults alike. But Adult Services wont children and adults alike. But Adult Services wont have children and adults alike. But Adult Services wont have that children and adults alike. But Adult Services wont have that holistic. Services wont have that Holistic Approach like there is going to be Going Forward for children and young people. You want professionals to look at you in the round, to look at you as an individual with everything thats going on, dont you . Yes, and i think thats going on, dont you . Yes, and i think thats thats going on, dont you . Yes, and i think thats more thats going on, dont you . Yes, and i think thats more important thats going on, dont you . Yes, and i think thats more important than i i think thats more important than just looking at trans specifically, because i exist as a trans person. I dont have a label, i am just transphobe im an autistic trans person. Desperate i am just trans. Im notjust a trans person to dip everything has to be taken into account. ~ ,. ,. , everything has to be taken into account. ,. , account. Why is it important to you . Because its account. Why is it important to you . Because its not account. Why is it important to you . Because its not something account. Why is it important to you . Because its not something that account. Why is it important to you . Because its not something that is i because its not something that is ever really going to leave me. We hear about things that happen in childhood that affect gender development. I had autism my whole life. Ive been dealing with Mental Illness since was very young. This sort of stuff wont just leave me. It will always have an effect on me so i need to be treated with that in mind. ~. ,. , ~ so i need to be treated with that in mind. ~. ,. ,. , mind. What do you think about these thins . Mind. What do you think about these things . Nick mind. What do you think about these things . Nick l mind. What do you think about these things . Nick i think mind. What do you think about these things . Nick i think what mind. What do you think about these things . Nick i think what will mind. What do you think about these things . Nick i think what will has things . Nick i think what will has said about those things never leave you, in relation to Mental Health, in relation to autism, and thats why adult Gender Identity Clinics also really experienced in dealing with people with sometimes quite challenging Mental Health difficulties. Are you saying from your experience the Adult Services didnt look at you in the round . Thats not my understanding what they do. I think there are a few understanding what they do. I think there are a few misconceptions. Understanding what they do. I think there are a few misconceptions. I i there are a few misconceptions. I would there are a few misconceptions. I would understand the mum from the vt document would understand the mum from the vt document being worried about her child being rushed into something. Plan, child being rushed into something. Plan. She child being rushed into something. Plan, she didnt use those words, to be fair~ plan, she didnt use those words, to be fair~ in plan, she didnt use those words, to be fair. In reality, for Adult Services, be fair. In reality, for Adult Services, the waiting list, a year, is long services, the waiting list, a year, is long you services, the waiting list, a year, is long. You go to your first appointment, you might be waiting a year. Appointment, you might be waiting a year. 18 appointment, you might be waiting a year, 18 months for your second one. Its year, 18 months for your second one. Its not year, 18 months for your second one. Its not a year, 18 months for your second one. Its not a quick process, its slow. Most its not a quick process, its slow. Most of its not a quick process, its slow. Most of the its not a quick process, its slow. Most of the Gender Clinics have counsellors as well as psychiatrists that do counsellors as well as psychiatrists that do the initial assessment and its about that do the initial assessment and its about looking at the person as a whole its about looking at the person as a whole person and, if anything, trans a whole person and, if anything, trans people sometimes wish they didnt trans people sometimes wish they didnt have tojump through quite so many didnt have tojump through quite so many hoops to get access to the care they know many hoops to get access to the care they know they need. You many hoops to get access to the care they know they need. They know they need. You call it uminu they know they need. You call it jumping through they know they need. You call it jumping through hoops, they know they need. You call it jumping through hoops, but they know they need. You call it jumping through hoops, but you they know they need. You call it jumping through hoops, but you want another medical profession professions to be involved with it. Yeah. Professions to be involved with it. Eah. �. Professions to be involved with it. Eah. � , yeah. Because either it will help ou yeah. Because either it will help you transition yeah. Because either it will help you transition or yeah. Because either it will help you transition or lead yeah. Because either it will help you transition or lead to yeah. Because either it will help you transition or lead to a yeah. Because either it will help i you transition or lead to a decision where you decide not to do that. It also provides more clarity in the sense that myself and my family know a lot more about what is going on with you mentally and can provide myself a more clear sense of my identity. Myself a more clear sense of my identi. �. Myself a more clear sense of my identi. � , identity. Thats interesting. You think the identity. Thats interesting. You thinkthe way identity. Thats interesting. You think the way they identity. Thats interesting. You think the way they are identity. Thats interesting. You think the way they are going identity. Thats interesting. You think the way they are going to | think the way they are going to treat children and young people in future is going to help with the way your family cope with you either transition or not . Your family cope with you either transition or not . Yes. When i was referred, transition or not . Yes. When i was referred. The transition or not . Yes. When i was referred, the main transition or not . Yes. When i was referred, the main Appeal Transition or not . Yes. When i was referred, The Main Appeal Of transition or not . Yes. When i was referred, The Main Appeal OfIt Transition or not . Yes. When i was referred, The Main Appeal Of it to i referred, The Main Appeal Of it to my family was the Counselling Aspect and having to have my family be a part of it, and understand more what i was going through. 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The thing i worry about is, if you are saying, for trans young people, they shouldnt be seen in Adult Services, to what extent are we in vandalising 18 year olds, 19 year olds, 20 year old, and what are we saying about the autonomy of those people to make their own decisions . What about the autonomy of those people to make their own decisions . What is our to make their own decisions . What is your answer to make their own decisions . What is your answer to to make their own decisions . What is your answer to that to make their own decisions . What is your answer to that question . To make their own decisions . What is your answer to that question . If i your answer to that question . If it was cancer your answer to that question . If it was cancer care for those ages, we would was cancer care for those ages, we would not was cancer care for those ages, we would not be to give, we want to hear would not be to give, we want to hear from would not be to give, we want to hear from the medical professionals, they are hear from the medical professionals, they are the experts. 18 at 19yearolds they are the experts. 18 at 19yearolds are they are the experts. 18 at 19yearolds are rarely i they are the experts. 18 at i 19yearolds are rarely going to 19 year olds are rarely going to be treated in Children Services to stop you wouldnt put an 18 or 19 year old in a better in hospital on a children sport for many reasons. Fair enough. Reasons. Fairenou~h. Reasons. Fairenou h. ,. , fair enough. Granted, there are issues in lots fair enough. Granted, there are issues in lots of fair enough. Granted, there are issues in lots of cases, fair enough. Granted, there are issues in lots of cases, think i fair enough. Granted, there are i issues in lots of cases, think about children issues in lots of cases, think about children and issues in lots of cases, think about children and young people Mental Health children and young people Mental Health services, the transition from judging health services, the transition from judging Young People Services can be quite tricky for top there are lots of those quite tricky for top there are lots of those things where it is not a trans of those things where it is not a trans thing, its the overall nhs. Thank trans thing, its the overall nhs. Thank you both for coming into the i think you are in a bus for mosaic. Im not an ambassador, ijust go. Good luck with the gcses. How plausible is it that two giants of The Tech World and direct Business Rivals really will end up fighting in a cage . The proposed fight between elon musk who owns x formerly known as twitter, and Mark Zuckerberg who launched threads recently, currently has no definitive date although today zuckerberg did suggest the end of august and both men seem serious in their training and their intent. Joining us to discuss the likely outcome is professional Cage Fighter Teddy Stringer. But first, heres a short clip of Mark Zuckerberg in training. Up up more set up. Tumble. Trend role. What do you think about that . Well, its interesting. What do you think about that . Well, its interesting. I what do you think about that . Well, its interesting. I didnt what do you think about that . Ii its interesting. I didnt think id be sat here talking about elon musk potentially fighting Mark Zuckerberg but the world is a crazy place. What but the world is a crazy place. What did the training but the world is a crazy place. What did the Training Look but the world is a crazy place. What did the Training Look like . 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