an important but controversial part of its policy to deter migrants attempting to come to the uk illegally by boat. joining me to discuss it on my panel for the next hour is the democratic strategist mary anne marsh — and phillip rycroft — former permanent secretary in the department for exiting the european union. also on the programme. arizona's blistering heat wave continues — as us president biden heads to the state to promote his clean energy plans. under an hour until the deadline for donald trump's legal team to respond to a justice departments request that could limit what information the former president is permitted to share publicly. first let's focus on the barge for asylum seekers here in the uk. the government hopes that around 500 men can be housed on board the vessel — called the bibby stockholm. but so far, just 15 are on board. ministers say the barge will be better value for taxpayers than hotel rooms, which are costing more than six million pounds a day. there have been concerns about conditions on board, but the government insists the barge is safe. there's also been some local opposition — over the impact on services in the area. a number of asylum seekers have had their transfers to the barge cancelled because of legal challenges. from portland in dorset, danjohnson sent this report. what does this say about the welcome we extend to those seeking asylum? are these the first steps towards a tougher stance long overdue to reduce costs and deter bogus claims, or are these potentially traumatised refugees being dehumanised and now denied even the stability of dry land? these men carry the added weight of the government's resolve. we successfully on—boarded the first cohort today. there are 15 people on board. we've had a few challenges but this is part of an ongoing structured process to bring a cohort of up to 500 people on board. there have been some challenges, some minor legal challenges. i can't go into the detail of those. accommodation is offered to all individuals on a no choice basis. they chant. some in this community are pleased to see them, even if they oppose their accommodation. we wanted, really, just to show we cared. we wanted to show that actually there is support from the local community, and we partly wanted to help them be given some of the things they might need. waymouth, portland itself hasn't got the infrastructure. i can see that point of view. but we have to welcome them. they are here now and we have to welcome them. but it is impossible to ignore ian... this is my island. ..a local guy who wants portland put first. this isn't being racist this is us saying we need to look after ourselves. they are getting ensuite showers, they are getting free cooked meals a dday, they are living like kings. we need this to go away from portland. this is the welcome for the asylum seekers as they arrive on the buses here. even if they are not quite clear who is on board or where they are heading, but i think this shows the division in this community and the strength of feeling on both sides. it has been beset by delays and weighed down with argument. when journalists were shown around, we were told operational by the end ofjuly, but there were health and safety issues. the fire service raised concerns. then the fire brigade union labelled it a death trap. ministers highlight a safety record of asylum seekers in other countries. but bunk beds and shared rooms have helped doubled capacity but also added worry. we need to remember they are human beings. they are people and they have dreams and aspirations just like every body else. the small boats crossings are dangerous. absolutely. the hotel bills are enormous. is it not right to try tackle this? the way to tackle something like that is to prevent it and the way to prevent that is to invest properly into the immigration system. 20 men have refused to move here, fearing they will be left floating with 500 others. but this vessel and the new policy it is the flagship four are no longer empty. danjohnson, bbc news, portland. a big strain uk be with global implications. maryanne marsh, a democratic strategist, and philipp rycroft, former permanent secretary in the department for exiting the eu. great to have you on the context today. i want to start with you, because as a that report, there are really conflicting opinions on this policy. that is perhaps to be expected, but some critics say this policy itself does not serve the aim of trying to deter migrants to migrants to come to the uk, does that? ., , migrants to come to the uk, does that? . , ., , that? that is a very good question. this is a classic _ that? that is a very good question. this is a classic summer _ that? that is a very good question. this is a classic summer season, . that? that is a very good question. i this is a classic summer season, the government trying to demonstrate that it's got a grip on this small boats problem, which does play very badly amongst the folks they want to entice to vote for them at the next general election. so that's politically is a happy story. whether or not putting bespoke on barges makes a big difference remains to be seen. let's get a bit of perspective on this, that barge, if it is fall, would house about 500 people. that's1% of the predicted flow of migrants seeking asylum in this country via the small boats that came this year. this in itself is not going to make a huge difference. there are things the government could do, it's cut, for example, pursue the route of third country deals as i did quite successfully with albania and others. and it could work harder, and this is the absolutely critical thing, to increase the speed with which it processes these claims. there is a backlog of over 130000 and folk with asylum claims not sorted. the average weight is well over a year. that is really, really important. over a year. that is really, really important-— important. this is certainly not a roblem important. this is certainly not a problem unique _ important. this is certainly not a problem unique to _ important. this is certainly not a problem unique to the _ important. this is certainly not a problem unique to the uk. - important. this is certainly not a problem unique to the uk. we i important. this is certainly not a i problem unique to the uk. we have seen us states on the southern border struggling with the influx of migrants arriving there, and, of course, as well northern cities, as migrants have been blustar flown up to cities like new york, like washington, dc. what solutions are being presented there? the problems are very similar— being presented there? the problems are very similar because _ being presented there? the problems are very similar because we _ being presented there? the problems are very similar because we are - being presented there? the problems are very similar because we are all. are very similar because we are all interconnected in this world. nobody is immune _ interconnected in this world. nobody is immune to this. and i often find times_ is immune to this. and i often find times that — is immune to this. and i often find times that citizens are far more worthy— times that citizens are far more worthy by— times that citizens are far more worthy by their support in actions for the _ worthy by their support in actions for the people who are less fortunate than most of us than the government to represent them. sol find everyone's response to this will fall — find everyone's response to this will fall. and you can suggest, there — will fall. and you can suggest, there is— will fall. and you can suggest, there is no— will fall. and you can suggest, there is no one answer. it's not just— there is no one answer. it's not just finding _ there is no one answer. it's not just finding some facilities, it's not just finding some facilities, it's hotiust— just finding some facilities, it's notjust securing a border, deterring people from coming, putting — deterring people from coming, putting a — deterring people from coming, putting a barge together. he investing in infrastructure that allows — investing in infrastructure that allows people to come into a country and to— allows people to come into a country and to he _ allows people to come into a country and to be assimilated. you have to do all— and to be assimilated. you have to do all of— and to be assimilated. you have to do all of it — and to be assimilated. you have to do all of it. you have to work with other— do all of it. you have to work with other countries. and until all the countries — other countries. and until all the countries work together and say every _ countries work together and say every country is going to take x number— every country is going to take x number of— every country is going to take x number of refugees, in the meantime, we are _ number of refugees, in the meantime, we are going _ number of refugees, in the meantime, we are going to put facilities together in countries to get people together in countries to get people to stay— together in countries to get people to stay in— together in countries to get people to stay in place safely. invest in those _ to stay in place safely. invest in those infrastructures. this is going to keep _ those infrastructures. this is going to keep happening. people die every single _ to keep happening. people die every single day~ _ to keep happening. people die every single day. this barge alone is worth, — single day. this barge alone is worth, what, 600 people coming on lmats— worth, what, 600 people coming on boats every— worth, what, 600 people coming on boats every day trying to come to the uk? — boats every day trying to come to the uk? 0ne boats every day trying to come to the uk? one day is one boat, that's it, the uk? one day is one boat, that's it. and _ the uk? 0ne day is one boat, that's it. and all— the uk? one day is one boat, that's it, and all this controversy around us and _ it, and all this controversy around us and it's— it, and all this controversy around us and it's still not open. it needs a much, _ us and it's still not open. it needs a much, much bigger response from everybody— a much, much bigger response from everybody because this problem isn't --oin everybody because this problem isn't going away. and to connect to another— going away. and to connect to another topic global warming, climate — another topic global warming, climate change is making it even where _ climate change is making it even where. ~ . ., climate change is making it even where. ~ .., . ~ climate change is making it even where. ~ ., ., where. we will come back to that to - ic, where. we will come back to that toic, so where. we will come back to that topic. so hold _ where. we will come back to that topic, so hold that _ where. we will come back to that topic, so hold that thought. - where. we will come back to that topic, so hold that thought. we l topic, so hold that thought. we haven't seen an outpouring of six conservative voices in favour of this barge today. why do you think that is? it this barge today. why do you think that is? , ., , that is? if you pulled the conservative _ that is? if you pulled the conservative base - that is? if you pulled the - conservative base committee that is? if you pulled the _ conservative base committee would be very much in favour of the sort of policy, tough policies play well with the conservative base, particularly their membership. it is the quiet season at the moment in the quiet season at the moment in the uk and the government wants to fail the media with stories that are positive to its agenda. so the government is trying to send some very clear messages on this. we even have the strange story resurrected again that the government might start flying some of these asylum—seekers back to ascension island, basically a rock in the middle of the atlantic, and that was first two or three years ago. it is complete nonsense and it's not going to happen, it's never going to happen, but yet again we hear this story coming back. so this in a way is a diversionary tactic. the only way to solve this problem is by working, in the uk's case can closely with the eu, particularly france, and the international context to do what we can to reduce the incentives to flow these folks to cross borders. until we do that, we are going to face an escalating problem. to we are going to face an escalating roblem. ., . , we are going to face an escalating roblem. ., ., , , problem. to really interesting thou . hts problem. to really interesting thoughts there, _ problem. to really interesting thoughts there, and _ problem. to really interesting thoughts there, and as - problem. to really interesting thoughts there, and as i - problem. to really interesting thoughts there, and as i said, j problem. to really interesting - thoughts there, and as i said, hold onto that thought about climate change, we will be coming to that and just a moment. thanks to you both. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. new figures from the mortgage lender, halifax, says uk house prices have dropped for the fourth month in a row. they were down nought point 3% between june and july. the cost of a typical home is now just over 285 thousand pounds. halifax said the uk's housing market was showing resilience, despite higher mortgage costs. the nhs system for seriously ill people requiring care at home is struggling to provide sufficient support. that's according to families of people with complex medical needs — and it comes despite a significant increase in spending on so—called "continuing healthcare". the government says it's putting billions of pounds into extra funding. majorflooding in alaska has triggered a state of emergency. an outbust of a glacial dam on saturday has prompted evacuations for some residents in the state capital. this is the moment a house collapsed into the mendenhall river. a glacial outburst flooding happens when trapped water escapes through cracks in thinning ice dams. you're live with bbc news. joe biden is on the road this week, promoting his climate agenda in the south—west us. he will visit the key battleground state of arizona before heading to new mexico and utah. it's all to mark the one—year anniversary of his inflation reduction act, which earmarked $783 billion for investment in energy security and climate change. and when you look at the heat wave hitting arizona right now, it's clear to see why the president is starting his trip there. phoenix has now experienced 20 days over 115 degrees farenheit — that's 46 celsius — a new record. and temperatures are set to remain above a0 degrees for the next two weeks. bring back our panel. i want to ask you first of all but the politics of all of this because the president is on the right not to tout his invasion reduction next time its year it was signed, he's going to say that this has been a success. can he call it that? ida say that this has been a success. can he call it that?— can he call it that? no question about it. he's _ can he call it that? no question about it. he's not _ can he call it that? no question about it. he's not modelled - can he call it that? no question - about it. he's not modelled himself after franklin delano roosevelt. it io after franklin delano roosevelt. it go lrack— after franklin delano roosevelt. it go back to — after franklin delano roosevelt. it go back to the 19305, roosevelt had a programme called called the works in progress _ a programme called called the works in progress my administration from a public— in progress my administration from a public works — in progress my administration from a public works project that the people to work— public works project that the people to work coming out of the depression. that'5 to work coming out of the depression. that's very much what depre55ion. that's very much what joe biden— depre55ion. that's very much what joe biden is— depre55ion. that's very much what joe biden is following here. manufacturing and all these other things— manufacturing and all these other things in— manufacturing and all these other things in a state thatjoe biden must _ things in a state thatjoe biden must win— things in a state thatjoe biden must win to be reelected in 2024. it represents— must win to be reelected in 2024. it represents" electoral votes. must win to be reelected in 2024. it represents 11 electoral votes. he only wanted to buy 10,000 votes in 2020 _ only wanted to buy 10,000 votes in 2020 and _ only wanted to buy 10,000 votes in 2020 and it— only wanted to buy 10,000 votes in 2020 and it was a sight of some of the biggest effort5 2020 and it was a sight of some of the biggest efforts to undermine the election— the biggest efforts to undermine the election where you had the cyber ninjas— election where you had the cyber ninjas and — election where you had the cyber ninja5 and fight all day long and everything that ile5 went on for months — everything that ile5 went on for months. going to arizona while month5. going to arizona while democrat5 month5. going to arizona while democrats were elected with joe biden— democrats were elected with joe biden in— democrats were elected with joe biden in 2020 governor, secretary of state, _ biden in 2020 governor, secretary of state, attorney general, and it's going _ state, attorney general, and it's going to — state, attorney general, and it's going to have a doozy of a us senate race out— going to have a doozy of a us senate race out there that could determine who keeps — race out there that could determine who keeps the united states and in 2034. joe _ who keeps the united states and in 2034. joe biden will travel to states— 2034. joe biden will travel to states like arizona every week from now to _ states like arizona every week from now to the — states like arizona every week from now to the election to show the kind of investment is made, he knows republicans are taking credit for them _ republicans are taking credit for them and — republicans are taking credit for them and they didn't vote for them, but he _ them and they didn't vote for them, but he is _ them and they didn't vote for them, but he is putting his name in all the signs— but he is putting his name in all the signs and showing up for the ribbon—cutting to a stop like they want _ ribbon—cutting to a stop like they want to— ribbon—cutting to a stop like they want to quickly follow up on that. imagine — want to quickly follow up on that. imagine a — want to quickly follow up on that. imagine a state of arizona being critical— imagine a state of arizona being critical to— imagine a state of arizona being critical to the biden administration, to his campaign to be reelected. it'5 administration, to his campaign to be reelected. it's a state where there _ be reelected. it'5 a state where there is— be reelected. it's a state where there is a — be reelected. it's a state where there is a very large latino population, one that the president is keen_ population, one that the president is keen to — population, one that the president is keen to lean over. at the same time, _ is keen to lean over. at the same time, we — is keen to lean over. at the same time, we have seen more and more latmos— time, we have seen more and more latinos white and growing 5upport latinos white and growing support for the _ latinos white and growing support for the republicans. what is he going _ for the republicans. what is he going to — for the republicans. what is he going to have to do?— for the republicans. what is he going to have to do? what is his strate: going to have to do? what is his strategy to _ going to have to do? what is his strategy to win _ going to have to do? what is his strategy to win over _ going to have to do? what is his strategy to win over these - going to have to do? what is his l strategy to win over these voters? strategy to win over these voter5? a lot of hard work will be required here _ lot of hard work will be required here a— lot of hard work will be required here a lot _ lot of hard work will be required here. a lot of latinos historically are more — here. a lot of latinos historically are more conservative anyways, but they were _ are more conservative anyways, but they were so turned off by the republican party that they came to the democrats, where some latinos are democratically oriented, some are democratically oriented, some are more — are democratically oriented, some are more conservative. there is going _ are more conservative. there is going to — are more conservative. there is going to he _ are more conservative. there is going to be a fight for latinos. and ithink— going to be a fight for latinos. and i think democrat5 going to be a fight for latinos. and i think democrats have to get it in arizona. _ i think democrats have to get it in arizona. in — i think democrats have to get it in arizona, in other states, of the states— arizona, in other states, of the states that really matter. pennsylvania coming arizona, wi5con5in, georgia. there are big ootm _ wi5con5in, georgia. there are big pot... packet5 of latino vote5 wi5con5in, georgia. there are big pot... packet5 of latino votes that can determine the outcome of these elections _ can determine the outcome of these elections. sol can determine the outcome of these elections. so i think when you show the investment is made in the latino community, job5 the investment is made in the latino community, jobs that are provided, the long—term effects and improvements in their kids 5chool5 improvements in their kids schools and other— improvements in their kids schools and other activities, other infrastructure projects. that is going — infrastructure projects. that is going to — infrastructure projects. that is going to make a big difference and when _ going to make a big difference and when they— going to make a big difference and when they start to see the difference it is making in their lives — difference it is making in their lives and _ difference it is making in their lives and in their pocketbooks, then that is— lives and in their pocketbooks, then that is going to help a tremendous amount— that is going to help a tremendous amount and that is that that the biden— amount and that is that that the biden people are making. jobs being a ke word biden people are making. jobs being a key word there. _ biden people are making. jobs being a key word there. coming _ biden people are making. jobs being a key word there. coming to - biden people are making. jobs being a key word there. coming to you, . a key word there. coming to you, philip, because he had biden administration again really touting this inflation reduction act meanwhile here in the uk and in other parts of your pet has ruffled feathers, hasn't it?— other parts of your pet has ruffled feathers, hasn't it? exactly. there is an to this _ feathers, hasn't it? exactly. there is an to this which _ feathers, hasn't it? exactly. there is an to this which is _ feathers, hasn't it? exactly. there is an to this which is about - is an to this which is about restoring jobs to the united states must be can understand absolutely why. you see the dissatisfaction and working americans led to some of the surgeon populism that was about their lack of economic prospects. so their lack of economic prospects. so the free sharing ofjobs to america and building the us manufacturing base back, it absolutely makes sense in terms of domestic policies in the us. at free trade and globalisation, it isn't. that has ruffled feathers in eu and the uk now post—brexit sitting a little bit betwixt the us and the eu wondering how it makes its mark in a world which is going to be increasingly characterised, in my view, by these big regional economic blocks. china on the one hand, the us and the eu. so this is important. the key thing here, of course, i suspect from the biden campaign whether he can demonstrate the inflation reduction act and improvement in thejob the inflation reduction act and improvement in the job spec statement prospects of those people stop at many leaders go to a washington us president biden about the inflation reduction act, he and his administration had said welcome to take this as an opportunity to in their own country. do you see that as being something that will happen in the uk? the as being something that will happen in the uk? f , in the uk? the uk they've been reticent about _ in the uk? the uk they've been reticent about this, _ in the uk? the uk they've been reticent about this, perhaps - reticent about this, perhaps bizarrely so, but don't forget the uk's pocketbook is impacted. we have a pretty fiscal situation that is dire to me you require it did not recall the opposition party was promising a £20 billion year investment in green energy. it had to backtrack on that even before the election to say that that will be an ambition for at the end of the first term in office. this is where the uk really has to work hard to find out how it makes its way in the global economy. now its way in the global economy. now it is outside the eu. beauty interesting times ahead on this, but this government, led by rishi sunak and jeremy hunt, i don't think it's going to open a chequebook in a big way anytime soon.— way anytime soon. thank you, stay riaht way anytime soon. thank you, stay right there. — way anytime soon. thank you, stay right there. we _ way anytime soon. thank you, stay right there, we will _ way anytime soon. thank you, stay right there, we will come _ right back to you, but two developments with former president trump's indictment over the january 6th attack on the capitol and alleged attempts to overturn the 2020 election results. the special counsel, jack smith, who brought the case is seeking a protective order to limit what he and his attorneys can say about the evidnce. his office says that would protect sensitive and confidential information from the public once evidence is turned over to trump's team. the former president has lashed back on social media today, saying its an attempt to curb his right to free speech and that it's all about stopping him from winning the 2024 election, not about what happened in 2020. 0ur correspondent nomia iqbal is in washington for us. great to see you. tell us more about what this protective order is meant to do that the special counsel's office has requested.— office has requested. these protective _ office has requested. these protective orders _ office has requested. these protective orders are - office has requested. these protective orders are prettyj office has requested. these - protective orders are pretty common in criminal cases, basically you outlined there, to try to keep sensitive information under wraps. pretrial, the prosecutors share with the defence what is called the discovery commitment this is to enable them to prepare, and the discovery is basically potential evidence, we are talking about grand jury evidence, we are talking about grand jury documents, witness statements, lots of personal information, which is very sensitive, and it also contains information that can identify people. so the special counsel and his team are worried about donald trump sharing that information and they cite this post that he published on his social media site on friday which said to "if you go after me, i'm coming after you." so the special counsel is worried that that could impact witnesses, it could impact the administration ofjustice, and mr smith has said that this is particularly important, given that donald trump does have a history of releasing statements aboutjudges, lawyers and witnesses. releasing statements about 'udges, lawyers and witnesses._ lawyers and witnesses. trump has been on social— lawyers and witnesses. trump has been on social media, _ lawyers and witnesses. trump has been on social media, untruths i been on social media, untruths social, blasting this request from the special counsel's office accusing them of leaking information. what has he been talking about? his information. what has he been talking about?— information. what has he been talking about? information. what has he been talkin: about? , . . talking about? his team said that in terms of that _ talking about? his team said that in terms of that social _ talking about? his team said that in terms of that social media - talking about? his team said that in terms of that social media post - talking about? his team said that in terms of that social media post that i closed it, he said it wasn't intended to be threatening. bear in mind, earlier last week at the arraignment, donald trump did swear to thejudge that arraignment, donald trump did swear to the judge that he would not contact any witnesses involved in the january six case without his lawyer and he would not seek to intimidate them. nevertheless, donald trump and his team are angry about and they want to respond to this, as we know, the special counsel wants this trial to move along quickly, and that's not fair, it doesn't work for them, and by having an extension we give them time to prepare properly. after his arraignment he said that he won't get a fair trial in dc. he said that its biased, it's corrupt and he's a huge the judge that's presiding over it as being biased. she was appointed by president 0bama back in 2014. for ouraudience appointed by president 0bama back in 2014. for our audience that might not know, her confirmation hearing injune not know, her confirmation hearing in june 2014, not know, her confirmation hearing injune 2014, she was confirmed with a vote of 95 — zero. so there were republicans that factor. nevertheless, that donald trump is continuing to say that the trial just want to be fair. £311" just want to be fair. our correspondent - just want to be fair. our correspondent in - just want to be fair. 0ur correspondent in washington, thank you very much. back to our panel. i want to start with you, marianne, that shows what a challenge it is going to be for the special counsel to get that speedy trial he said he wanted. donald trump is looking for a get free don't— donald trump is looking for a get free don't you get out ofjail free card _ free don't you get out ofjail free card he — free don't you get out ofjail free card he is— free don't you get out ofjail free card. he is trying to backspace judge lry— card. he is trying to backspace judge by agent getting preferential treatment or by saying that he is being _ treatment or by saying that he is being persecuted. that is the box he is trying _ being persecuted. that is the box he is trying to— being persecuted. that is the box he is trying to put her in. and if this were _ is trying to put her in. and if this were any— is trying to put her in. and if this were any other defendant, then donald — were any other defendant, then donald trump and any defendant did what he _ donald trump and any defendant did what he did either untruth5 social friday— what he did either untruth5 social friday night, saturday, sunday or today— friday night, saturday, sunday or today or — friday night, saturday, sunday or today or at — friday night, saturday, sunday or today or at the speech he gave in alabama — today or at the speech he gave in alabama on saturday night in south carolina. _ alabama on saturday night in south carolina, you know, over the weekend as welt _ carolina, you know, over the weekend as welt he _ carolina, you know, over the weekend as well. he would be in front of the judge at— as well. he would be in front of the judge at five o'clock today and she would _ judge at five o'clock today and she would say — judge at five o'clock today and she would say your bail i5 judge at five o'clock today and she would say your bail is revoked and you are _ would say your bail is revoked and you are going to spend a few days in 'ail you are going to spend a few days in jail to— you are going to spend a few days in jail to think— you are going to spend a few days in jail to think about this. that would happen— jail to think about this. that would happen to — jail to think about this. that would happen to any other defendant. that is what _ happen to any other defendant. that is what is _ happen to any other defendant. that is what is going on here. he doesn't need _ is what is going on here. he doesn't need to— is what is going on here. he doesn't need to contact anyone directly, but he is doing — need to contact anyone directly, but he is doing is fermenting the seeds of violence, just like he did leading _ of violence, just like he did leading up to january six. he's doing — leading up to january six. he's doing this _ leading up to january six. he's doing this and this trial. he is getting — doing this and this trial. he is getting all his supporters worked up, getting all his supporters worked up. and — getting all his supporters worked up, and they all know who the judge is, who— up, and they all know who the judge is, who the — up, and they all know who the judge is, who the prosecutor i5, up, and they all know who the judge is, who the prosecutor is, who is coming to— is, who the prosecutor is, who is coming to testify or not. they know, and look— coming to testify or not. they know, and look what happened onjanuary six. and look what happened onjanuary six~ so— and look what happened onjanuary six~ so this — and look what happened onjanuary six. so this is an extension of that — six. so this is an extension of that you _ six. so this is an extension of that. you can't treat this as something separate. donald trump i5 something separate. donald trump is continuing _ something separate. donald trump is continuing to try to undermine our democracy— continuing to try to undermine our democracy now by going after the judicial— democracy now by going after the judicial system in many ways the same _ judicial system in many ways the same way— judicial system in many ways the same way netanyahu has done recently — same way netanyahu has done recently. i same way netanyahu has done recentl . ., , ., ., ~ ., recently. i went to get your take on this, philip- — recently. i went to get your take on this, philip. i'm _ recently. i went to get your take on this, philip. i'm usually— recently. i went to get your take on this, philip. i'm usually on - this, philip. i'm usually on the other side of the pond with marianne covering what is happening with the former president, what does the prospective year in the uk? are the concerns about the quite system to handle all of this? this concerns about the quite system to handle all of this?— handle all of this? this goes to the heart of the _ handle all of this? this goes to the heart of the democratic _ handle all of this? this goes to the heart of the democratic process. . heart of the democratic process. that you have a slew smooth handover of power and the voters say that that's what they want this to be disputed in a way it has been in the us the longest democracies in the world such an important power in the world such an important power in the world is frankly very, very worrying to those who look to the us as the leader of the international system and for all support the leaders gave the world over the years. and the democratic world. the fact that we're going to this process, the next president will taken to trial right at the beginning of another presidential election campaign is quite extraordinary. you can understand that some people are saying, well, why do this? because it gives trump the oxygen of grievance, which clearly motivates his base. but i think seen from afar if thejudicial process his base. but i think seen from afar if the judicial process hadn't kicked in, that would've left so many unanswered questions and it would also have given succor to those want to be dictators around the world, those who want to overturn election results if they can get away with it in the us can i can get away with it in the us can i can get away with it in the us can i can get away with it here. i think the signal this sends the rest of the signal this sends the rest of the world this undemocratic behaviour will be pursued in the courts is absolutely right. my goodness, me, it's going to be very difficultjourney over goodness, me, it's going to be very difficult journey over the goodness, me, it's going to be very difficultjourney over the next few months. difficult 'ourney over the next few months. a ., difficult 'ourney over the next few months. n, . .., difficult 'ourney over the next few months. a, . .. , ., months. marianne can i will give you the last word — months. marianne can i will give you the last word on _ months. marianne can i will give you the last word on this, _ months. marianne can i will give you the last word on this, just _ months. marianne can i will give you the last word on this, just over- months. marianne can i will give you the last word on this, just over a - the last word on this, just over a minute left, but as philip called the oxygen of grievance there, we have seen the former president again from that in the polls. what is the democratic�*s strategy here? first from that in the polls. what is the democratic's strategy here? first of all, we are here _ democratic's strategy here? first of all, we are here because _ democratic's strategy here? first of all, we are here because richard i all, we are here because richard nixon _ all, we are here because richard nixon wasn't held accountable in 1972~_ nixon wasn't held accountable in 1972 he — nixon wasn't held accountable in 1972. he was pardoned. he was never sent to _ 1972. he was pardoned. he was never sent to jail. _ 1972. he was pardoned. he was never sent to jail, he was never tried, none _ 5ent to jail, he was never tried, none of— sent to jail, he was never tried, none of that, and that is why we are here today — none of that, and that is why we are here today. for the democrats, they 'ust here today. for the democrats, they just need _ here today. for the democrats, they just need to — here today. for the democrats, they just need to keep doing what they are doing — just need to keep doing what they are doing to much of the american people that they are fighting for them and fixing their problems and making _ them and fixing their problems and making their lives better. donald trump _ making their lives better. donald trump is — making their lives better. donald trump is out for donald trump and no one else, _ trump is out for donald trump and no one else, by— trump is out for donald trump and no one else, by the way, he's not for democracy— one else, by the way, he's not for democracy either. and that is the contrast— democracy either. and that is the contrast to — democracy either. and that is the contrast to us even now to november 2024. _ contrast to us even now to november 2024. at — contrast to us even now to november 2024. at this process has to go and no matter what, and donald trump i5 begging that he want to be held accountable, but for the democracy in this— accountable, but for the democracy in this country to continue, he must be. �* ,., in this country to continue, he must be. �* ., , ., in this country to continue, he must be. ., , , be. all right, both of you see this as critical as _ be. all right, both of you see this as critical as the _ be. all right, both of you see this as critical as the special - be. all right, both of you see this as critical as the special counsel. as critical as the special counsel continues this investigation. we will continue talking about more topics in a little bit, but good to have your perspective marianne and philip on that story, and also on the current president biden in arizona. thanks for watching and we will be back with you in just a little bit. hello there. temperatures are set to rise over the next few days. there's a drier and warmer spell of weather on the way, although it may not last all that long, as i'll show you injust a moment. this is what's going on right now. we've got quite a potent area of low pressure swirling across northern europe. that is bringing some very heavy rain and some gales, but that is going to get close enough to shetlands to strengthen the winds here. the winds starting to pick up here actually as we go through the night. elsewhere, the winds will be lighter. we'll see some clear spells, the odd shower and this zone of cloud rolling in from the west affecting parts of wales and south—west england. some bits and pieces of rain, some mist and murk by morning, turning a little more muggy and humid here as well. but where we keep the clear skies, actually another fairly chilly night. so, for tomorrow, our deep low continues to swirl in northern europe. the isobars squeezing together, you can see there, across shetland, so it is going to turn increasingly windy. further south, a significantly weaker weather system, but feeding a lot of cloud eastwards across wales, into the midlands, eventually east anglia, certainly southern counties of england. quite murky around some of the coasts, some spots of drizzle. but much of northern england, northern ireland and scotland seeing sunny spells. some showers into north—east scotland and wind gusts of 50 mph or more in shetland, where temperatures will only get to 12 degrees. elsewhere 17—20, so still a touch below par for the time of year. now into wednesday, i think we'll see quite a lot of cloud, a bit of mist and murk for coasts and hills and some spots of drizzle tending to feed north—eastwards. but some spells of sunshine, too. eastern and northern parts seeing the best of that. turning a little bit warmer for most of us. in fact, maybe up to 24—25 degrees in the south. but thursday is set to be the warmest day of all. the southerly winds bringing temperatures wildly up into the 20s. many spots likely to get into the middle 20s celsius, but it will stay quite chilly in the north—east of scotland. where we do have the warmth and indeed some humidity, well, it won't last all that long because by friday, we see this cold front pushing its way eastwards. outbreaks of rain with that, and behind it, we change the wind direction, the winds coming back in off the atlantic. so it will start to feel cooler again as we head into the weekend, and there will be some showers or longer spells of rain. hello, i'm sumi somaskanda. you're watching the context on bbc news. threads was supposed to be a direct rival to twitter. after charging out of the gates, support for the social media platform appears to be waning. but could the bosses of the two companies be about to face we will get that story in a moment. we're used to seeing heatwaves in the summer months — but what about heatwaves in winter? that's exactly what is happening right now in parts of argentina and chile at the moment. temperatures have soared as high as 20 degrees celsius above average over the last few days. towns in the andes mountains have reached 38 celsius or more, while argentina's capital, buenos aires, saw temperatures above 30 celsius — breaking its previous august record by more than five celsius.

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