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he did not commit. a man who was wrongly imprisoned for rape has welcomed a government decision to scrap rules which meant people who had been cleared by the courts could be charged for living costs incurred injail. andrew malkinson told the bbc the change was a "step in the right direction", but said more needed to be done to support people who were wrongly convicted. he's been talking to our reporterjoe inwood. he started by telling him how he felt when he was first told he had to pay for his living costs whilst in prison out of his compensation. it seems like a sickjoke. i thought what is the justification for paying the prison service because they don't treat you well in prison, they really don't. you should lose your liberty, you shouldn't be tortured by them. i thought, to pay these people for doing what they are doing to me is the most sickening, horrifying, repugnant thing i could imagine. when you were speaking and made this point and express yourself so eloquently that there was a huge public reaction, wasn't there? how did it feel to have people react so strongly to your story.— did it feel to have people react so strongly to your story. yeah, i am not sure how _ strongly to your story. yeah, i am not sure how people _ strongly to your story. yeah, i am not sure how people would - strongly to your story. yeah, i am not sure how people would react l strongly to your story. yeah, i am | not sure how people would react to what i was saying, of course, because i'm not used to sitting in front of cameras but, you know, i thought maybe people don't fully understand the point i was making because maybe i didn't make it clear but i am glad people have caught this. it is notjust about people like me who have been wrongly convicted. it is a very important principle, i think, convicted. it is a very important principle, ithink, that, should anybody be, god forbid, sent down for something they haven't done, the very idea of paying once you have cleared your name is really repugnant. the guilty don't pay. why should the innocent? it is ridiculous. it comes across as sour grapes. now we have overturned your conviction, now are going to take something from you. no, no. i those rules have changed or will change. it is very welcome, yeah. good. a step in the right direction. but there is much more that needs changing, too. you don't want to put a sticking plaster on something that is mortally wounded. needs much more. , , , ., ., ~ more. the news but before you talked of how ou more. the news but before you talked of how you were _ more. the news but before you talked of how you were having _ more. the news but before you talked of how you were having to _ more. the news but before you talked of how you were having to live - more. the news but before you talked of how you were having to live on - of how you were having to live on benefits when you came out. is that still the case or how are you doing now? give them a claim struggling. i am jobless. now? give them a claim struggling. i amjobless. i now? give them a claim struggling. i am jobless. i don't have a job. i am homeless, pretty much, staying at a friends house at the moment. but. friends house at the moment. but, eah, i friends house at the moment. but, yeah. i am — friends house at the moment. but, yeah. i am left _ friends house at the moment. but, yeah, i am left pretty _ friends house at the moment. but, yeah, i am left pretty much bereft of everything. d0 yeah, i am left pretty much bereft of everything-— of everything. do you have any indication _ of everything. do you have any indication of _ of everything. do you have any indication of when _ of everything. do you have any indication of when you - of everything. do you have any indication of when you might i of everything. do you have any i indication of when you might get some compensation for your miscarriage ofjustice? yet the magnate. but it is not going to be quick. that needs to change, actually. it quick. that needs to change, actuall . ., ~ , quick. that needs to change, actuall. m , actually. it takes something in the re . ion actually. it takes something in the reuion of actually. it takes something in the region of two _ actually. it takes something in the region of two years _ actually. it takes something in the region of two years or— actually. it takes something in the region of two years or so. - actually. it takes something in the region of two years or so. and - actually. it takes something in the | region of two years or so. and that is too long because, why should you have two, then, reprove that you have two, then, reprove that you have already proven by the overturning in the court. you are innocent. you effectively have to do it all over again and it is a silly barrier that has been artificially erected. it is inexcusable. why? has an one erected. it is inexcusable. why? has anyone from — erected. it is inexcusable. why? has anyone from the government been in touch with you personally to say they are sorry for what you have gone through. they are sorry for what you have gone through-— they are sorry for what you have one throu~h. ., ., , ., �* gone through. no, no, they haven't, no. who gone through. no, no, they haven't, no- who knows _ gone through. no, no, they haven't, no. who knows why _ gone through. no, no, they haven't, no. who knows why not, _ gone through. no, no, they haven't, no. who knows why not, they - gone through. no, no, they haven't, l no. who knows why not, they probably don't care, do they? if no. who knows why not, they probably don't care, do they?— don't care, do they? if rishi is a nike is watching _ don't care, do they? if rishi is a nike is watching this _ don't care, do they? if rishi is a nike is watching this now - don't care, do they? if rishi is a nike is watching this now would | don't care, do they? if rishi is a - nike is watching this now would you like him to get in with you and apologise?— like him to get in with you and aoloaise? , ~ ., ., apologise? yes, i think that would no a lona apologise? yes, i think that would go a long way _ apologise? yes, i think that would go a long way this _ apologise? yes, i think that would go a long way this to _ apologise? yes, i think that would go a long way this to recognise - apologise? yes, i think that would l go a long way this to recognise what they have done and to recognise things need to change and there are lots of things they can do to bring it back into balance. for innocent citizens, every innocent citizen is at risk of having to go through what i went through. it is not as rare as it seems, you know. it really isn't. what does the future hold? i can never aet what does the future hold? i can never get the — what does the future hold? i can never get the eye _ what does the future hold? i can never get the eye years - what does the future hold? i can never get the eye years back - what does the future hold? i can never get the eye years back that have been stolen from me. i am 57, you know. i've got type one diabetes and that lowers your life expectancies i really don't know. i'm trying to live well and eat well but, for what is left of it, i would like to stay able—bodied and able to enjoy what is left. may be travel. travel is a big thing with me. i would like to go and explore parts of the world i have never seen. and just be no more stress, no more concerns about bills and trying to survive and having enough to eat. just to be liberated, in its fullest sense so i can take as much enjoyment from what is left of right as i possibly can and i think that is the least that they owe me. the very least. is the least that they owe me. the ve least. , , is the least that they owe me. the very least-— is the least that they owe me. the very least. just to pick up on a few thins he very least. just to pick up on a few things he was _ very least. just to pick up on a few things he was talking _ very least. just to pick up on a few things he was talking about - very least. just to pick up on a few things he was talking about their l things he was talking about their because he may be out of prison but his journey certainly isn't over. if he is going to try to get any kind of compensation. just he is going to try to get any kind of compensation.— he is going to try to get any kind of compensation. just to explain how the rocess of compensation. just to explain how the process works, _ of compensation. just to explain how the process works, somebody - of compensation. just to explain how the process works, somebody is - the process works, somebody is wrongfully convicted you need to go through another legal procedure in order to notjust prove that the conviction was not safe but to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you are innocent. now, this was a new test introduced by 2014 by the then coalition government. andy's lawyer said it is an amazingly hard test to pass. andy probably will pass because there was dna evidence of another person which means you can prove it wasn't him. the lawyer was telling him there are lots and lots of people now who had been wrongfully convicted, the conviction was unsafe but they cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt it was not them so they don't get any compensation. so what andy now faces even though he has got this very, very high profile clearing of his name, he still needs to go to a legal procedure which they say will take a couple of years and, at that point, once it has been proved that he is innocent, his case can go to an assessor. and the assessor will work out how much money you can get. that money is capped at £1 million, which is what you get for ten years. that is something else you are saying is not really fair because his sentence was not capped. it is going to be trying to push to get more than that, i think. but, for now, he has got a long legal battle and for the next couple of years, it is going to be a real difficulty. you asked him if you would like the prime minister to call him, apologise, something. he certainly wasn't averse to that. what of the authority said on those involved in this wrongful conviction in the first this wrongful conviction in the firs . this wrongful conviction in the firs. �* , . this wrongful conviction in the first . this wrongful conviction in the first the justice secretary was billin: first the justice secretary was billing statement _ first the justice secretary was billing statement saturday i first the justice secretary was - billing statement saturday saying they have change this rule. the specific one about board and lodgings. he said that clearly did not feel right and in andrew malkinson's case has really put that into the four that it feels with the unjust. so they have said that bit should be changed. they haven't said anything else about the process of compensation and how you need to your innocence. they have not said anything about that. i was speaking to the chair of the justice anything about that. i was speaking to the chair of thejustice select committee, oversees thejustice department for parliament and he said the whole thing feels like it needs reforms because, actually, for people who have been wrongfully convicted together this torturous process of trying to prove their innocence again does feel very unfair. greater manchester police, those are the ones involved in his conviction in the first place, there has been strong criticism of suppressing evidence, not telling the jury the full picture, he says they basically conducted misconduct. they have not said anything. they have previously apologised for what has happened but they have refused to ever do any interviews to fully answer questions about any of this. thank you very much for taking us through that. the former �*lost prophets' singer and convicted paedophile, ian watkins, has reportedly been stabbed in prison. newspaper reports say he was attacked at hmp wakefield, where he's serving a 29—year sentence for child sex offences. the prison service said police are investigating an incident that happened yesterday. here, two men in their 30s have been bailed by police in connection with the death of a baby in lancashire. the baby boy was taken to �*blackpool victoria hospital�* in an unresponsive state on the 27th ofjuly, and was later pronounced dead. one of the suspects arrested has been questioned on suspicion of murder. school holidays are a chance to spend more time with the kids but — as many parents know — keeping them fed all day can be an extra financial strain. the food charity fareshare says demand rockets during the summer break and it wants more help from the government to get surplus groceries to those who need it. emma thomas has been looking into this. chatter. theo is two. he and his mom are regulars at spark, a charity run family centre in burntwood. carly gives her time to volunteer at parent groups, but also needs the help of the food and clothes banks. peace of mind that you know that if you can't afford food at the end of the week, then there are places like this that we can come to and and help ourselves to the donations. carly works part time, but rising prices mean her wages don't always cover her costs. it's a familiar theme here. 0ne job isn't enough anymore. you have to get more than one job to be able to provide for a family orjust for yourself. you want cheese on that? yes, please. spark is one of many charities which receives food donations via the fair share scheme. this summer school holiday supply isn't meeting demand. people sometimes come into us in tears because they're in crisis and theyjust don't know where to turn. it's people who are working and cannot afford to make ends meet through the cost of living, through the bills and feeding children through the holidays. fair share redistributes a million meals worth of surplus food each month. they're lobbying the government for investment to improve supply chains. there's probably about 3 million more tins of food that we could access and then redistribute to people who need it the most. those 3 million tonnes of food could contribute to about 7 billion meals, so the opportunity for more food is absolutely massive. food inflation rates have slowed in recent weeks. however, the cost of filling a family fridge remains still far more expensive than during the last school summer holidays. in fact, according to the british retail consortium, the average prices in shops are now 7.6% higher. these vegetables have a journey yet ahead via a charity somewhere in the midlands to the plates of a family needing fresh nutrition. they're a crack team of medics who can reach any location in london within 11 minutes — last year they attended nearly 2000 incidents — and they're funded by charitable donations. but what's a typical shift like for the london air ambulance? 0ur correspondent karl mercerjoined the team to find out. it is a job where every minute counts, whether they are in the well—known red helicopter... ..or in the less well—known cars they use at night or when the helicopter is not flying. it is about getting to some of london's severely injured patients as quickly as possible. we have a full effectively critical care unit in the back of the ambulance but we can't carry it all at once so we start deciding and rationalising what we will take. they have been called to a car crash, a young man in need of help. a person climbed out of the car, fell over, struck his head and then had a brief cardiac arrest and he stopped breathing. when they arrive, they take over help by the cruise that are already there. we bring extra kits and extra skills and the leadership and direction and guidance and it's a bit like a relay race, or a chain, we arejust another link in the chain. we have been called to assist one of the colleagues. shift before we were out with a car, called out to a man with a badly leg. we would just have a look at you and saw your leg out. and taking high—level hospital skills to treat people at the roadside. saw his leg out and he has a nasty fracture to his right leg so we need to give him some strong pain relief and sedation. the next call is to a young woman who has stopped breathing and they need to get there quickly, but safely. you we getting some information the job and our focus now is to just navigate effectively and safely there. she is currently unconscious and with really ineffective breathing so we need to support that by putting a tube into her lungs giving her special medication that carry to try to help correct the problem with her asthma, which is causing severe narrowing of her airways. we will do that quite quickly now, right? they stabilise the patient, who was then transferred to an ambulance and taken to hospital. one of them in the ambulance and the other one following and then the work continues. we have had to give the lady an anaesthetic outside the house so right now i need to make sure that all our equipment is where it should be and also restock the bags to make sure that we have enough to hand if we have to do another anaesthetic. after a clear up, time for a debrief with london ambulance colleagues, an important part of everyjob we do. these are quite stressful and there are a lot of these intense jobs, and that's what we are here for, but the ambulance service may only see one or two a year, so a lot going on and it can be quite intense so it's important to allow people to talk about the job and how they are feeling but also is always lots of really good clinical learning. as night falls, this team takes over and into east london to a car crash with lots of resources there. a man has been hit by a car and they take control of the scene, giving the patient stronger drugs than the other medical teams, and stabilise them and they can do that nearest major trauma hospital. cases like this where they could have very significant internal. injuries, it is about providing and stabilising the patient i on the road side by gettingl the patient to the specialist centres as soon as possible. so, that is our aim . now with the patient. definitely doing a lot betterl than when we first saw him. it is all about getting to hospital and getting the patient- to hospital now. the patient, fortunately, remains nice and stable and our main priority has been pain, really, and trying to keep him as comfortable as possible with some nasty injuries. another patient, one of nearly 2000 for london's air ambulance last year, a record number. one of the challenges is to make sure you are always ready, that you could be sent on one of the worst and biggestjob you will ever have to deal with. tomorrow, they will do it all again. karl mercer, bbc news. it's been a soggy summer so far, which — for most of us — might mean a cancelled barbeque or a damp camping trip. for many farmers, however, it's much more serious as the persistent rain delays harvests and damages crops. when your whole year has been building up to the harvest, this is not what you want to see — gaps in the fields where the driving wind and rain has flattened the wheat, and it's simply been too wet to work. so, richard, just how far behind are you? well, it's august three now and we'd normally be a quarter to halfway through our winter wheat. but not only that, we've got the spring barley and our oilseed rape still to harvest. everything is still looking at us in the field. and looking more closely, you can see the damage to the crop. so, the grain within the ears is sprouting. so, that is very, very bad news for us. and it looks quite soft and mushy. soft and mushy — and rotting, it will be doing now, so — and the quality is gone now. and you can just squeeze the water out of it, can't you? yes, you can. this shed should be at least half full of grain by now and even when it's here, there'll be an extra cost to dry it out so it's ready to sell. economically, we shall lose money on the quality of the wheat. the yields will go down. and so, our return won't be as great. but also, then, we've got the added cost of the fuel and electricity with the drying. the weather is, of course, a part of farming but the extremes — the drought last year, a wash—out this — just adds to the pressures on the industry and those in it. we've got a lot of issues going along around brexit. obviously, imports are coming into this country, grown and produced to lower standards than we produce. and then, of course, we have the weather and the stress from that, and farming is not an easy time and not an easy industry to be in at the best of times and so, when you have these stresses and strains, you really need to have a lot of people and support around you to sort of share the burden of that mental stress. it's all still in the field rotting away. chuckles. i mean, you're laughing but, you know, this is your business. it is, yeah. yeah, i mean, it's it is high stakes, you know? it's all our income is concentrated into this period of harvesting and it is a worrying time. the knockout stages are well and truly under way at the world cup, after the united states' long reign as champions was brought to an end in dramatic fashion as they were dumped out by swedenjoining the netherlands in the next round. tomorrow morning it will be the turn of england who face nigeria in brisbane at 8:30am, in their last—sixteen tie looking to book their spot in the quarter—finals. mimi fawaz has been looking at what lies ahead for the lionesses england will be facing nigeria on monday and let's take a look at their opponents. nigeria were the first african team to book their spot into the knockout stages and they did so by not losing any of their games in the group stages. they played out two goalless draws, one against the olympic champions canada and against the republic of ireland was the other result that ended up with no goals. they did get that shock when against the co—host australia in the group stages. nigeria, of course, will be hoping that they can better their record. in 1999, when they reached the quarterfinals of the women's world cup. so, who are some of the nigerian star is to look out for? one of them is, of course, the african female footballer of the year. she scored 26 goals in competitions last season and, as well, she is the first african player to score in three separate world cups. he came on as a substitute in that shock when against the co—host australia in the group stages and, of course, she got that winner in that match. so who are some of the other standout stars for nigeria, for england to watch out for? one of them is the nigerian goalkeeper. she got player of the match in a goalless draw against the olympic champions in the opening 0lympic champions in the opening game. she saved a crucial penalty in that match and we see she received a lot of praise in her performances so far in the group stages. another one is someone who many football fans might have been describing as the midfield maestro and tactically very strong. she of course has influenced build—up play in the group stages for nigeria. you'll be surprised to maybe know that nigeria has faced england on three previous occasions. england on three previous occasions. england getting the win over nigeria at the first time that they met and the other two times, nigeria getting the other two times, nigeria getting the advantage over england. so, the european champions, england, come out victorious on monday? 0r european champions, england, come out victorious on monday? or will the nine times african champions nigeria come out victorious this time around? photographer roger bamber started his career in the 1960s — taking his student portfolio to fleet street and getting a job on the spot. in the decades that followed, he snapped a host of famous names? but also plenty of ordinary people. roger died six months ago, aged 78 — and now an exhibition of his pictures has opened in sussex. sara smith reports. from the black—and—white images of his early career to exuberant celebrations of life in this corner of sussex, roger bamber�*s photographs of famous faces appear alongside those who found themselves unwittingly in the news. a barrister is led from the old bailey after an ira bomb. a police officer mourns the loss of a colleague in the line of duty. when he went to take a picture of cecil beaton, the famous society photographer turned the lens back on a young roger and it was his youth which one him some of his most glamorous assignments. # there's a star man waiting in the sky... all these old boys in the newspaper said, "you can go off and do these noisy modern bands. " so he got in on the very early days with them, which meant that he made friends with them before they were terribly famous and ended up going touring, which was fun. years later at live aid he produced one of the most enduring images of that day. but back in the studio he always would find a way to get the right shot. well, roger didn't have a smoke machine, but if you were doing rock and pop in the '605, '705, '805 you had to have smoke. so he struck very early on on the device of getting the roadies to smoke two or three cigarettes at once. this picture is normally shown cropped, you know, like that, but we left it uncropped so we could demonstrate roger's home—made smoke machine. well, if it's images of rock stars which first grab your attention. come into this room and it soon becomes clear that roger was just as inspired, perhaps more so, by the people and the scenes right on his doorstep. he somehow made the demise of the west pier beautiful, if heartbreaking. and while it's perhaps no surprise that the brighton festival inspired him, he could also turn a commission from the bus company into a work of art, as he did with his lifelong passion for the railway. all of it on show here at the brighton museum and art gallery. well, i think he always looked for a story and he was really interested in people, i think, more than anything. and some of his photographs he has just taken them with people he has passed, you know, they've been doing something interesting. i think nobody ever said no. this is the last picture of roger before his death in september. he'd known about the exhibition, it was to be based on a book he'd just finished. he wanted to show that he wasn't just a press photographer who took news images, he was somebody who made ordinary things extraordinary. sarah smith, bbc news. there have been some hefty showers around today but on the whole it has been a drier, brighter and calmer day than yesterday was because their swell of cloud here has been using a wave eastwards. the risk is following on behind albeit with a speckling of showers. most of those showers are easing and fading as we go through the evening and the night. some will continue across parts of scotland, may be coastal parts of scotland, may be coastal parts of scotland, may be coastal parts of northern ireland, north—west england and north wales but otherwise dry with clear skies, the odd mist and patches and actually, quite a chilly night for the time of year. 6 degrees in aberdeen, nine in birmingham and cardiff in some spots in the countryside will get a little chillier than that so a fresh start to monday morning but under this little ridge of high pressure, a largely dry and bright start. some spells of sunshine around. we will see some showers popping up through the day but they should not be quite as many as there have been today. however, this weather system running in from the west will eventually bring some cloud into the far south—west of england and far south—west of england and far south—west of england and far south—west of wales. misty, murky conditions developing and some rain very late in the day. temperature 16-21 in very late in the day. temperature 16—21 in most places. to monday night, this frontal system pushes eastwards, taking cloud and some rain with it. not a huge amount of rain with it. not a huge amount of rain but there certainly will be some misty and murky conditions for coasts and hills whereas for northern ireland and scotland, actually a mainly fine, dry and sunny day albeit with a brisk breeze making it feel rather cool. 13 degrees. furthersouth, making it feel rather cool. 13 degrees. further south, 18, 19 or 20 degrees. further south, 18, 19 or 20 degrees. as we move into wednesday, though, we will see some increasingly humid air spreading from west which will give rise to some sea fog and fog over the hills as well. summaries of cloud and sunny spells but there's temperature is beginning to climb and that process will continue into thursday. high pressure will be to the east of us. low pressure trying to squash in from the and that will bring is a flow of winds from the south. bringing some warmer air across our shores. you can see the orange colour spreading across the temperature chart for thursday. quite widely will be in the middle 20 celsius. some places could get to maybe 27 or 28 but it may not last that long. we will see unsettled in cooler weather returning as we head towards the weekend. live from london. this is bbc news. at least 30 people are dead and more than 100 injured after an express train derailed in southern pakistan. a russian—installed official in crimea says ukrainian missiles have struck two bridges linking ukraine to the occupied crimean peninsula. this unverified video is from the russian state tass news agency. six months on from the devastating earthquake in turkey and syria we catch up the family of a baby born beneath the rubble. and sweden make it through to the women's world cup quarter finals after they knock out the two—time defending champions, the usa, in a match decided by penalties. hello i'm nancy kacungira.

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