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my privacy. ifeel a because i was so keen to have my privacy. i feel a sense of duty to expose them as they have exposed us. prince harry and sir eltonjohn have launched legal action against the publishers of the daily mail. against the publishers of the daily mail-— daily mail. action is being taken against _ daily mail. action is being taken against the - daily mail. action is being taken against the sun - taken against the sun newspaper.— taken against the sun newspaper. taken against the sun newsuaer. a ., ., newspaper. action over the mirror grow) _ newspaper. action over the mirror group of _ newspaper. action over the mirror group of allegations | newspaper. action over the l mirror group of allegations of phone hacking.— phone hacking. who did you hack? it would _ phone hacking. who did you hack? it would be _ phone hacking. who did you hack? it would be prudent l phone hacking. who did you| hack? it would be prudent to sa who hack? it would be prudent to say who i _ hack? it would be prudent to say who i didn't _ hack? it would be prudent to say who i didn't hack. - say who i didn't hack. celebrities, politicians. iwas livina celebrities, politicians. iwas livin: in celebrities, politicians. iwas living in this _ celebrities, politicians. iwas living in this sort _ celebrities, politicians. iwas living in this sort of - living in this sort of superhighway of illicit information. it was exciting, we felt — information. it was exciting, we felt like a spy. | information. it was exciting, we felt like a spy.— we felt like a spy. i don't know to _ we felt like a spy. i don't know to this _ we felt like a spy. i don't know to this day - we felt like a spy. i don't know to this day how - we felt like a spy. i don't l know to this day how many people have heard my deepest secrets, my desires. fix, by people have heard my deepest secrets, my desires.— secrets, my desires. a by the mail on sunday _ secrets, my desires. a by the mail on sunday or _ secrets, my desires. a by the mail on sunday or ignore - secrets, my desires. a by the mail on sunday or ignore the | mail on sunday or ignore the daily mail. mail on sunday or ignore the daily mail-— mail on sunday or ignore the dail mail. ., . , daily mail. you have hack 'ust about anybody i daily mail. you have hack 'ust about anybody who i daily mail. you have hack 'ust about anybody who has h daily mail. you have hackjust about anybody who has ever l about anybody who has ever appeared in a tabloid newspaper so give me large watches of cash please. is actually scandal. i5 cash please. is actually scandal-— cash please. is actually scandal. , ., ., , �* scandal. is not the money i'm after, it scandal. is not the money i'm after. it is _ scandal. is not the money i'm after, it is to _ scandal. is not the money i'm after, it is to expose - scandal. is not the money i'm after, it is to expose the - after, it is to expose the guilt, _ after, it is to expose the guilt, it'sjustice. prince harry has brought a claim against news group newspapers for publications both in the news of the world and the son. over 200 articles. more than half are published by the son. the articles of stress from the mid— 90s when his mother was still alive to 2010 — the sun. so they include articles from when he was a child. it's alleged that they were phone hacking princess diana. . . , , ., ., diana. prince harry is going on this crusade _ diana. prince harry is going on this crusade that _ diana. prince harry is going on this crusade that some - diana. prince harry is going on this crusade that some have i this crusade that some have described as a moral crusade to right the wrongs of the past as he sees it. he believes that they contributed to the death of his mother, everything goes back to the death of diana, princess of wales. he believes it was her paranoia, herfear that her bodyguards were leaking information that led her to get rid of her police protection and he believes that if she had had those bodyguards with her she would not have died in that car crash in paris in 1997. . ., , , in 1997. the crash happened shortly after _ in 1997. the crash happened shortly after midnight. - in 1997. the crash happened shortly after midnight. they | shortly after midnight. they were apparently being pursued at high speed by photographers and motorbikes.— at high speed by photographers and motorbikes. there are some secific and motorbikes. there are some specific examples _ and motorbikes. there are some specific examples given - and motorbikes. there are some specific examples given in - specific examples given in prince harry's claim that are worth hearing about. around 2004 he met _ worth hearing about. around 2004 he met chelsey - worth hearing about. around| 2004 he met chelsey davey, started dating her, and there was a huge amount of interest in that relationship, huge amounts of targeting of chelsey, and harry. in his claim, there _ chelsey, and harry. in his claim, there is _ chelsey, and harry. in his claim, there is evidence l chelsey, and harry. in his. claim, there is evidence that chelsea's phone records were supplied to the sun by a south african private investigator called mike baird. chelsea lived in cape town. also there is a payment made by the sun again to the south african private investigator, a payment of £1500 for exclusive for chelsey davey hospital. one theory is that that involved accessing chelsey davey�*s private medical information. when you go through some of the claims, some of them seem quite weak. frankly it seems like theyjust had access to the inner circle. in theyjust had access to the inner circle.— theyjust had access to the inner circle. in terms of the articles. — inner circle. in terms of the articles. you _ inner circle. in terms of the articles, you are _ inner circle. in terms of the articles, you are often - inner circle. in terms of the l articles, you are often misled in terms of where this information may have come from. they never quote a source and say so—and—so said this, they just say the palace or an insider has said this, deliberately worded to throw you off the scent. in harry's case he would be very keen to go to trial. he wants everything out an open, he wants everybody to know the full extent of not only him but all the other claims he has suffered as well, and he wants to hold the people have done all this accountable at the of the day. harry has got this claim against you in the 50s of articles, saying you used illegal means to get the stories. ~ . . , , illegal means to get the stories. . . , , ~ ., stories. what harry must know is i am mindful— stories. what harry must know is i am mindful that _ stories. what harry must know is i am mindful that can't - stories. what harry must know is i am mindful that can't be i is i am mindful that can't be the case. i can't say where every story was wrong but i can see those was that i wrote word from phone hacking, simple as that. , ., ~' from phone hacking, simple as that. i. ~ . . ~ ., that. do you think hacking was auoin on that. do you think hacking was going on at — that. do you think hacking was going on at the _ that. do you think hacking was going on at the sun? - that. do you think hacking was going on at the sun? i - that. do you think hacking was going on at the sun? i don't. i j going on at the sun? i don't. i certainly _ going on at the sun? i don't. i certainly didn't _ going on at the sun? i don't. i certainly didn't think _ going on at the sun? i don't. i certainly didn't think so - going on at the sun? i don't. i certainly didn't think so at - certainly didn't think so at the time. the people i worked with were journalists, not private investigators. did you know about _ private investigators. did you know about people _ private investigators. did you know about people using - private investigators. did you know about people using pis| private investigators. did you l know about people using pis to get something like that? i was aware, i mean _ get something like that? i was aware, i mean they _ get something like that? i was aware, i mean they call- get something like that? i was aware, i mean they call in - get something like that? i was aware, i mean they call in the | aware, i mean they call in the dark art, i was aware that there is more than one way of scanning a rabbit and certain circumstances, newspapers employ those people. did the sun employ — employ those people. did the sun employ those _ employ those people. did the sun employ those people? i l sun employ those people? i think everybody did, yeah. i have heard more and more allegations that illegal newsgathering was something incredibly common in the sun and that has not been my experience in the place i worked. i experience in the place i worked-— experience in the place i worked. . . worked. i never ever heard a suggestion _ worked. i never ever heard a suggestion that _ worked. i never ever heard a suggestion that the - worked. i never ever heard a suggestion that the sun - worked. i never ever heard a suggestion that the sun wasj suggestion that the sun was involved in phone hacking in any way. i do believe there were. the police and the crown prosecution service do not believe it is something worth pursuing, so there has not been a criminal enquiry into phone hacking for literally years and years. hacking for literally years and ears. ., . . ., , ., years. police raiding homes of news international _ years. police raiding homes of news international staff - news international staff looking for evidence of hacking. in looking for evidence of hacking-— looking for evidence of hackin._ , ., , ., ., hacking. in the years following the closure — hacking. in the years following the closure of _ hacking. in the years following the closure of news _ hacking. in the years following the closure of news of - hacking. in the years following the closure of news of the - the closure of news of the world _ the closure of news of the world in _ the closure of news of the world in 2011, the police conducted a series of high—profile investigations into— high—profile investigations into illegal activity by newspapers.- into illegal activity by newspapers. into illegal activity by news--aers. newspapers. about 6am in the mornin: newspapers. about 6am in the morning there _ newspapers. about 6am in the morning there was _ newspapers. about 6am in the morning there was a _ newspapers. about 6am in the morning there was a knock - newspapers. about 6am in the morning there was a knock on | newspapers. about 6am in the i morning there was a knock on my front door, the police had arrived to arrest me. from the m do arrived to arrest me. from the my dog started _ arrived to arrest me. from the my dog started to _ arrived to arrest me. from the my dog started to bark, - my dog started to bark, probably about six in the morning, and i opened the door to a crowd — morning, and i opened the door to a crowd of police officers, all in — to a crowd of police officers, all in clean clothes searching through— all in clean clothes searching through my five—year—old's bedroom, i don't even know to this bedroom, idon't even know to this day— bedroom, i don't even know to this day what they were looking for, saying they have come to arrest — for, saying they have come to arrest rne _ for, saying they have come to arrest me over operation alberton. and was about paying public _ alberton. and was about paying public officials, and yes we paid — public officials, and yes we paid public officials, that's why— paid public officials, that's why it _ paid public officials, that's why it says on page two of the sun, _ why it says on page two of the sun. we — why it says on page two of the sun, we pay cash for stories, ring — sun, we pay cash for stories, ring this _ sun, we pay cash for stories, ring this number. it sun, we pay cash for stories, ring this number.— ring this number. it was the start of four _ ring this number. it was the start of four years _ ring this number. it was the start of four years of - ring this number. it was the start of four years of hell. start of four years of hell because they waiting on bail. just had to wait and wait and hope — just had to wait and wait and hope it— just had to wait and wait and hope it would go away, but a year — hope it would go away, but a year later— hope it would go away, but a year later i was charged and then— year later i was charged and then a — year later i was charged and then a further two and a half years— then a further two and a half years on. _ then a further two and a half years on, on the fifth of january— years on, on the fifth of january of 2015, my trial started _ january of 2015, my trial started at the old bailey in london _ started at the old bailey in london. at started at the old bailey in london. �* ., ., london. at the end of four ears london. at the end of four years the _ london. at the end of four years the judge _ london. at the end of four years the judge said - london. at the end of four years the judge said you . london. at the end of four - years the judge said you could go now, and that was the end of it. it was devastating, completely devastating, devastated my life. you know what? i will never get over this, i have been virtually unable to work for four years, it has taken my health, my family's health, our money, my career, and all because of a campaign against you guys, just as much as it is against tabloid journalism. a campaign against journalism. tabloid journalism. a campaign againstjournalism. many people against journalism. many people were againstjournalism. many people were put on trial, frankly they were put on trial, frankly they were show trials, time and time again, as in my case, ajury were show trials, time and time again, as in my case, a jury of 12 good people listen and threw it out. ., , , it out. you destroyed my career. _ it out. you destroyed my career, destroyed - it out. you destroyed my career, destroyed my - career, destroyed my confidence, my marriage and nearly— confidence, my marriage and nearly destroyed me completely. i'm obviouslyjust relieved that— i'm obviouslyjust relieved that today's verdict, but there is no — that today's verdict, but there is no celebration while this witch—hunt continues against my colleagues, who still are facing _ colleagues, who still are facing the nightmare that i hopefully one day will wake up from — that is definitely reckon brooks and her husband charles brooks. i think rebecca went in first. in brooks. i think rebecca went in first. ., . ' , first. in total 41 people were arrested- — first. in total 41 people were arrested. nine _ first. in total 41 people were arrested. nine were - first. in total 41 people were i arrested. nine were convicted, the others, like rebecca brooks were cleared of all charges. the cps has not turned to the police and said start investigating again. they are not interested. they do not believe there is anything like enough evidence. ii believe there is anything like enough evidence.— enough evidence. if the allegations _ enough evidence. if the allegations are - enough evidence. if the allegations are true, i enough evidence. if the l allegations are true, why enough evidence. if the - allegations are true, why are the police investigating this? that i think the difficulty was that after the trial of rebecca brooks and andy colson, etc, i think the publicjust lost brooks and andy colson, etc, i think the public just lost the appetite for it and therefore the cps also lost the appetite for it as well. it is disappointing that the police don't take it further, given the evidence that has come to light since, but it's a decision for them. people on the other— decision for them. people on the other side _ decision for them. people on the other side would - decision for them. people on the other side would just - decision for them. people on the other side would just say j the other side would just say this has— the other side would just say this has proved the evidence is flimsy— this has proved the evidence is flimsy and does not mean anything. if flimsy and does not mean anything-— flimsy and does not mean an hinu. . anything. if that was the case, why would _ anything. if that was the case, why would newsgroups - anything. if that was the case, why would newsgroups be - why would newsgroups be settling hundreds of claims in the last ten years the millions and millions and millions of pounds if it was just flimsy evidence that did not mean anything?— evidence that did not mean an hint? , ., , , anything? newsgroup newspapers are now fighting _ anything? newsgroup newspapers are now fighting to _ anything? newsgroup newspapers are now fighting to bring - anything? newsgroup newspapers are now fighting to bring it - are now fighting to bring it into the waves of civil litigation against them. at the end of 2022, they asked the courts to strike out two high—profile claims arguing that the alleged unlawful activity happened too long ago. what is the case of prince harry, the other of hugh grant. the press should have massive power. they are such an important pillar of democracy, they need to be there to hold power to account.— they need to be there to hold power to account. weather is a renuine power to account. weather is a genuine public— power to account. weather is a genuine public interest - power to account. weather is a genuine public interest i - power to account. weather is a genuine public interest i thinkl genuine public interest i think the press should given enormous license, — the press should given enormous license, almost to the point of illegality _ license, almost to the point of illegality. but it does not matter— illegality. but it does not matter really what a celebrity is doing. _ matter really what a celebrity is doing, it's interesting to the — is doing, it's interesting to the public, but it's definitely not in — the public, but it's definitely not in the public interest. at that— not in the public interest. at that point it becomes invasion of privacy— that point it becomes invasion of privacy or privacy theft, i would — of privacy or privacy theft, i would argue, and really what they— would argue, and really what they were doing was looking for profit _ they were doing was looking for profit at — they were doing was looking for profit at whatever cost, and by whatever— profit at whatever cost, and by whatever means, criminal or not — whatever means, criminal or not. ,, , , :: , . not. in september 2022, several victims of crime _ not. in september 2022, several victims of crime and _ not. in september 2022, several victims of crime and their- victims of crime and their relatives were among 200 new claims brought against the sun and the news of the world. the -hone and the news of the world. iie: phone hacking and the news of the world. "iie: phone hacking scandal and the news of the world. ii9 phone hacking scandal broke and the news of the world. i““i9: phone hacking scandal broke at the exact moment that the business model for these previously incredibly profitable tabloid newspapers was collapsing on its own accord to. the internet had come along, information was no longerjust what come along, information was no longer just what you could come along, information was no longerjust what you could read in a print product. in the old days if you get a good kiss and tell a good scandalous celebrity story, you would at a quarter of a million sales to your tableau just like that. with the internet, they might click on it but you will not make money off that. having hundreds of millions of pounds leaving these business and damages, at the exact moment they needed to be investing hundreds of millions of pounds to secure their future has been incredibly damaging for the bridges newspaper industry. most of the british press operates at breakeven at best. it operates at breakeven at best. it would — operates at breakeven at best. it would not surprise me if there _ it would not surprise me if there is— it would not surprise me if there is constant drip of some point — there is constant drip of some point shareholders and media owners— point shareholders and media owners will say we can't afford this anymore, we need to close. just close — this anymore, we need to close. just close it. it will be a terrible _ just close it. it will be a terrible day for the british press, _ terrible day for the british press, freedom of the press, freedom _ press, freedom of the press, freedom of speech if this is allowed _ freedom of speech if this is allowed to continue. this prince harry _ allowed to continue. this prince harry has - allowed to continue. this prince harry has arrived l allowed to continue. this. prince harry has arrived at allowed to continue. “i“i 3 prince harry has arrived at the high court this morning at the start of his latest privacy case. the duke of sussex is taking legal action along with a group of either high—profile vigors against the publisher of the daily mail.— the daily mail. elton john has also 'ust the daily mail. elton john has also just arrived, _ the daily mail. elton john has also just arrived, and - the daily mail. elton john has| alsojust arrived, and baroness doreen— alsojust arrived, and baroness doreen lawrence will also attend _ doreen lawrence will also attend. , attend. the first time, the daily mail— attend. the first time, the daily mail the _ attend. the first time, the daily mail the on _ attend. the first time, the daily mail the on sunday i attend. the first time, the l daily mail the on sunday and now facing claims from seven alleged victim tyms. this year, the initial hearings in the strongly disputed cases took place at the high court to decide whether they can proceed to trial. ~ , :, to trial. when the phone hacking _ to trial. when the phone hacking scandal- to trial. when the phone hacking scandal broke, l to trial. when the phone i hacking scandal broke, paul deacon, editor of the male, made very clear that this was not the sort of behaviour that mail group would have been involved in. i mail group would have been involved in.— involved in. i can be as confident _ involved in. i can be as confident as _ involved in. i can be as confident as any i involved in. i can be as| confident as any editor, involved in. i can be as - confident as any editor, having made — confident as any editor, having made extensive enquiries into newspaper practices and an enquiry— newspaper practices and an enquiry that phone hacking was not practised by the mail on sunday— not practised by the mail on sunday or the daily mail. you know — sunday or the daily mail. you know that _ sunday or the daily mail. you know that because they gave this enquiry my unequivocal, unequivocal assurances on that. the cases— unequivocal assurances on that. the cases against the mail came out of the blue, it was extraordinary. you can see it in the response of the mail. it was discussed that they were even having to deal with this, it was accusations that this was a job by a cabal of press reform campaigners. the claimants' _ reform campaigners. the claimants' cases - reform campaigners. the claimants' cases also i reform campaigners. the claimants' cases also evidence from a number of private investigators turned whistleblowers. . �* whistleblowers. what we're really looking _ whistleblowers. what we're really looking for _ whistleblowers. what we're really looking for is - whistleblowers. what we're | really looking for is whether the claims of private investigators who formed bedrock in this case really stacked up, whether they are credible and whether there are documents to set up the documents to set up the documents they had that they were doing illegal work for the mail in the mail on sunday over several decades. in a mail in the mail on sunday over several decades.— several decades. in a blow for the claimants, _ several decades. in a blow for the claimants, one _ several decades. in a blow for. the claimants, one investigator that they had hoped would give evidence on some of the most serious allegations, has now denied he was ever commissioned to work for the mail. some of the private investigators providing evidence of convicted criminals. this includes the jailed phone hacking at glenn mulcaire. b. jailed phone hacking at glenn mulcaire. : :, : jailed phone hacking at glenn mulcaire. : . : :, mulcaire. a hatch for the mail on sunday _ mulcaire. a hatch for the mail on sunday the _ mulcaire. a hatch for the mail on sunday the indirectly i on sunday the indirectly through mercury press, targets included sadie frost, simon hughes, and jude law. 50 included sadie frost, simon hughes, and jude law. so you ket hughes, and jude law. so you kept notes _ hughes, and jude law. so you kept notes and _ hughes, and jude law. so you kept notes and materials? i kept notes and materials? everything was always stated and all the information can always be referred back to when journalists need to become more details. what we have here is the instruction. you have the mail on sunday, clearly noted there, you have sadie frost as a target, you have all the details, and you also have the transcription of the voicemails of sadie frost's voicemails. they were then forwarded my boss by e—mail, who then e—mailed the mail on sunday. than e-mailed the mail on sunday. an e-mail e—mailed the mail on sunday. an e—mail which contained transcribed boats from the alleged hacking was sent to the mail on sunday by mulcair�*s was. howeverthe mail on sunday by mulcair�*s was. however the e—mail said nothing about how the quotes were obtained. so what has been happening in court? :, , , court? probably the most damaging _ court? probably the most damaging thing _ court? probably the most damaging thing that i court? probably the most| damaging thing that came court? probably the most i damaging thing that came out court? probably the most - damaging thing that came out of the game from baroness lawrence, who is the mother of the murdered teenager stephen lawrence. what she said was explosive. i now feel i was to be trade. she says while she thought they were on her side thought they were on her side though actually going behind her back and trying to dig up information on her. —— they were actually going behind her back. , , ,: . :, . back. this is the scenario that everyone _ back. this is the scenario that everyone feared, _ back. this is the scenario that everyone feared, emotions i everyone feared, emotions running _ everyone feared, emotions running out of control down here — running out of control down here and _ running out of control down here and the evidence of the five suspects temporarily derailed. i started reporting on the — derailed. i started reporting on the stephen lawrence murder in the _ on the stephen lawrence murder in the mid—to late 1990s. doreen— in the mid—to late 1990s. doreen lawrence was thrust into the spotlight by the fact that the spotlight by the fact that the police failed to get justice for her son. there well, _ justice for her son. there well, no, _ justice for her son. there well, no, because stephen's killers— well, no, because stephen's killers are still walking the streets _ killers are still walking the streets. it wasn't until the coroner's _ streets. it wasn't until the coroner's inquest that we got to see — coroner's inquest that we got to see the five main suspects. they— to see the five main suspects. they appeared to treat the legal— they appeared to treat the legal system with contempt, as if they— legal system with contempt, as if they were above the whole process _ if they were above the whole process. that triggered the daily— process. that triggered the daily mailto publish its now infamous headline "murderers", naming — infamous headline "murderers", naming the five main suspects. the daily— naming the five main suspects. the daily mail is really thrown down — the daily mail is really thrown down the _ the daily mail is really thrown down the gauntlet _ the daily mail is really thrown down the gauntlet with - the daily mail is really thrown down the gauntlet with this i down the gauntlet with this story — down the gauntlet with this sto . :, :, down the gauntlet with this sto . . . . , down the gauntlet with this sto . . . story. that headline was so powerful — story. that headline was so powerful that _ story. that headline was so powerful that the _ story. that headline was so powerful that the case i story. that headline was so powerful that the case for l powerful that the case for examining what had gone wrong became — examining what had gone wrong became increasingly impossible to avoid — became increasingly impossible to avoid. the day in 2012 when dobson — to avoid. the day in 2012 when dobson and norris was convicted was a _ dobson and norris was convicted was a day— dobson and norris was convicted was a day of huge satisfaction for both— was a day of huge satisfaction for both of stephen's parents. i for both of stephen's parents. i have — for both of stephen's parents. i have had a lot of support from — i have had a lot of support from everybody, - i have had a lot of support from everybody, from i i have had a lot of support from everybody, from the| i have had a lot of support - from everybody, from the press including, — from everybody, from the press including, and— from everybody, from the press including, and i— from everybody, from the press including, and ijust_ from everybody, from the press including, and ijust wanted i from everybody, from the press including, and ijust wanted to. including, and ijust wanted to say thank— including, and ijust wanted to say thank you _ including, and ijust wanted to say thank you all. _ including, and ijust wanted to say thank you all. i _ including, and i just wanted to say thank you all.— say thank you all. i think doreen _ say thank you all. i think doreen lawrence - say thank you all. i think doreen lawrence came l say thank you all. i thinkl doreen lawrence came to say thank you all. i think i doreen lawrence came to trust the daily— doreen lawrence came to trust the daily mail because of the role they played in her campaign. in her claim, there isa— campaign. in her claim, there isa section— campaign. in her claim, there is a section that is very personal. you get the sense that — personal. you get the sense that there was a close relationship there and one where _ relationship there and one where she felt that she was in safe _ where she felt that she was in safe hands. she trusted them. we've — safe hands. she trusted them. we've got— safe hands. she trusted them. we've got the claim form from baroness lawrence and is quite incredible litany of allegations, including interception of voicemail, so old school phone hacking, tapping of landline telephones, lagging of personal records, monitoring of bank accounts, covert electronic surveillance, and corrupt payments to serving metropolitan police officers, including some who are working on the murder investigation into who killed her son. i5 on the murder investigation into who killed her son. is it difficult for _ into who killed her son. is it difficult for you _ into who killed her son. is it difficult for you to _ into who killed her son. is it difficult for you to know i into who killed her son. is it difficult for you to know if this stands up? we difficult for you to know if this stands up?— difficult for you to know if this stands up? we are at the oint in this stands up? we are at the point in the — this stands up? we are at the point in the legal _ this stands up? we are at the point in the legal process i this stands up? we are at the | point in the legal process with either a load of allegations, a lot of it is based on circumstantial evidence and a lot of it is based on the belief of the claimants and their legal teams. if this goes to trial, that's when we will see their claims tested. baroness lawrence wonders whether — baroness lawrence wonders whether by trusting the daily mail— whether by trusting the daily mail she lets down her murdered son, _ mail she lets down her murdered son, stephen, she writes in her statement _ son, stephen, she writes in her statement that she has been played — statement that she has been played for a full. —— fool. i don't believe for a minute illegal behaviour happened at the daily mail. this litigation is a windmill that keeps turning, and very lucrative it is for various law firms and various people trying to now make money from events that happened many years ago. iloathed happened many years ago. what we are seeing — happened many years ago. what we are seeing is _ happened many years ago. what we are seeing is the _ happened many years ago. what we are seeing is the end - happened many years ago. what we are seeing is the end game, realty. — we are seeing is the end game, realty. of— we are seeing is the end game, really, of three decades almost of phone — really, of three decades almost of phone hacking legal cases. now you've got almost every single _ now you've got almost every single national newspaper group in the _ single national newspaper group in the uk — single national newspaper group in the uk being sued by various prominent _ in the uk being sued by various prominent individuals who are determined to drag this back into the _ determined to drag this back into the public consciousness. there — into the public consciousness. there have already succeeded on that point— there have already succeeded on that point in the next challenge is can they actually -et challenge is can they actually get the — challenge is can they actually get the legal victories that they— get the legal victories that they want? hello there. weather across the uk has certainly been testing our patience of late. we are heading for the fourth consecutive weekend where an area of low pressure will dominate the weather story, bringing us some wet and windy weather. but every cloud has a silver lining. and next weekend, i can offer you something a little more promising, settled and summer—like. but at the moment, it's all about storm anthony, which is moving its way across northern ireland, bringing a heavy spell of rain during the early hours of saturday morning. and as that rain continues to drive its way steadily eastwards, the winds will strengthen as well. so we're widely likely to see 20 to 40 millimetres, maybe more for northern ireland for a time. and then the winds gusting 50 to 65 miles an hour along west—facing coasts of wales and south west england. very unusual, really, for this time of year. the rain drives its way quickly eastwards, and then into the afternoon, circulating around that low, we will see a rash of sharp, possibly thundery downpours. slowly improving into northern ireland and lighter winds and fewer showers likely for scotland. but the temperatures will be disappointing right across the country, a maximum of just 14 to 18 celsius by the middle part of the afternoon. the low pressure will gradually move away and the winds will die down. so as we push into sunday, it might be a pleasant start, with some early morning sunshine, particularly in eastern areas, lighter winds. and as we go through the day, we will see a scattering of showers developing out to the west, and some of these will gradually move further inland. but with a little more sunshine coming through, it will be a degree or so warmer. top temperatures of 20 degrees, 68 fahrenheit. not that much change monday into tuesday. showers or longer spells of rains likely, particularly on tuesday. another spell of wet weather to come. but we can offer you a glimpse of something more optimistic by the middle part of next week. an area of high pressure is likely to build, and we haven't seen this for quite some time. so from wednesday onwards, we are likely to see some drier, settled and more summer—like weather. there's still an uncertainty how long it's likely to last, but for next week, showers or longer spells of rain to begin with. but as the high pressure builds, certainly things will settle down and warm up for many. freedom of speech if this is allowed to continue. live from washington, this is bbc news. a day after donald trump is arrainged in his third indictment, how will the former us president's growing legal cases impact his 2024 campaign to return to the white house? hello i'm helena humphrey. this week, the united states has found itself once again in unprecedented territory. never before has a sitting orformer president been indicted on federal criminal charges, and yet donald trump has now been arraigned three times in four months. on thursday, right here in washington dc, mr trump faced arguably the most serious charges levelled against him yet, centered on his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. of course this comes as the former president, runs in the hope of becoming the next president, courting the republican party nomination while facing mounting legal concerns. so let's take a look at the latest charges filed against him yesterday. this time he was accused of four counts, including conspiracy to defraud the united states, tampering with a witness and conspiracy against the rights of citizens. during a brief arraignment in the nation's capital yesterday, mr trump's lawyer entered a plea of not guilty on his behalf. now in the last hour, donald trump has been addressing a summer dinner hosted by the alabama republican party. he's spoken about the various cases that have been brought against him recently. take a listen. and then they filed them all, everyone of them, all at essentially one time, including local dbas and aeds, right in

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my privacy. ifeel a because i was so keen to have my privacy. i feel a sense of duty to expose them as they have exposed us. prince harry and sir eltonjohn have launched legal action against the publishers of the daily mail. against the publishers of the daily mail-— daily mail. action is being taken against _ daily mail. action is being taken against the - daily mail. action is being taken against the sun - taken against the sun newspaper.— taken against the sun newspaper. taken against the sun newsuaer. a ., ., newspaper. action over the mirror grow) _ newspaper. action over the mirror group of _ newspaper. action over the mirror group of allegations | newspaper. action over the l mirror group of allegations of phone hacking.— phone hacking. who did you hack? it would _ phone hacking. who did you hack? it would be _ phone hacking. who did you hack? it would be prudent l phone hacking. who did you| hack? it would be prudent to sa who hack? it would be prudent to say who i _ hack? it would be prudent to say who i didn't _ hack? it would be prudent to say who i didn't hack. - say who i didn't hack. celebrities, politicians. iwas livina celebrities, politicians. iwas livin: in celebrities, politicians. iwas living in this _ celebrities, politicians. iwas living in this sort _ celebrities, politicians. iwas living in this sort of - living in this sort of superhighway of illicit information. it was exciting, we felt — information. it was exciting, we felt like a spy. | information. it was exciting, we felt like a spy.— we felt like a spy. i don't know to _ we felt like a spy. i don't know to this _ we felt like a spy. i don't know to this day - we felt like a spy. i don't know to this day how - we felt like a spy. i don't l know to this day how many people have heard my deepest secrets, my desires. fix, by people have heard my deepest secrets, my desires.— secrets, my desires. a by the mail on sunday _ secrets, my desires. a by the mail on sunday or _ secrets, my desires. a by the mail on sunday or ignore - secrets, my desires. a by the mail on sunday or ignore the | mail on sunday or ignore the daily mail. mail on sunday or ignore the daily mail-— mail on sunday or ignore the dail mail. ., . , daily mail. you have hack 'ust about anybody i daily mail. you have hack 'ust about anybody who i daily mail. you have hack 'ust about anybody who has h daily mail. you have hackjust about anybody who has ever l about anybody who has ever appeared in a tabloid newspaper so give me large watches of cash please. is actually scandal. i5 cash please. is actually scandal-— cash please. is actually scandal. , ., ., , �* scandal. is not the money i'm after, it scandal. is not the money i'm after. it is _ scandal. is not the money i'm after, it is to _ scandal. is not the money i'm after, it is to expose - scandal. is not the money i'm after, it is to expose the - after, it is to expose the guilt, _ after, it is to expose the guilt, it'sjustice. prince harry has brought a claim against news group newspapers for publications both in the news of the world and the son. over 200 articles. more than half are published by the son. the articles of stress from the mid— 90s when his mother was still alive to 2010 — the sun. so they include articles from when he was a child. it's alleged that they were phone hacking princess diana. . . , , ., ., diana. prince harry is going on this crusade _ diana. prince harry is going on this crusade that _ diana. prince harry is going on this crusade that some - diana. prince harry is going on this crusade that some have i this crusade that some have described as a moral crusade to right the wrongs of the past as he sees it. he believes that they contributed to the death of his mother, everything goes back to the death of diana, princess of wales. he believes it was her paranoia, herfear that her bodyguards were leaking information that led her to get rid of her police protection and he believes that if she had had those bodyguards with her she would not have died in that car crash in paris in 1997. . ., , , in 1997. the crash happened shortly after _ in 1997. the crash happened shortly after midnight. - in 1997. the crash happened shortly after midnight. they | shortly after midnight. they were apparently being pursued at high speed by photographers and motorbikes.— at high speed by photographers and motorbikes. there are some secific and motorbikes. there are some specific examples _ and motorbikes. there are some specific examples given - and motorbikes. there are some specific examples given in - specific examples given in prince harry's claim that are worth hearing about. around 2004 he met _ worth hearing about. around 2004 he met chelsey - worth hearing about. around| 2004 he met chelsey davey, started dating her, and there was a huge amount of interest in that relationship, huge amounts of targeting of chelsey, and harry. in his claim, there _ chelsey, and harry. in his claim, there is _ chelsey, and harry. in his claim, there is evidence l chelsey, and harry. in his. claim, there is evidence that chelsea's phone records were supplied to the sun by a south african private investigator called mike baird. chelsea lived in cape town. also there is a payment made by the sun again to the south african private investigator, a payment of £1500 for exclusive for chelsey davey hospital. one theory is that that involved accessing chelsey davey�*s private medical information. when you go through some of the claims, some of them seem quite weak. frankly it seems like theyjust had access to the inner circle. in theyjust had access to the inner circle.— theyjust had access to the inner circle. in terms of the articles. — inner circle. in terms of the articles. you _ inner circle. in terms of the articles, you are _ inner circle. in terms of the articles, you are often - inner circle. in terms of the l articles, you are often misled in terms of where this information may have come from. they never quote a source and say so—and—so said this, they just say the palace or an insider has said this, deliberately worded to throw you off the scent. in harry's case he would be very keen to go to trial. he wants everything out an open, he wants everybody to know the full extent of not only him but all the other claims he has suffered as well, and he wants to hold the people have done all this accountable at the of the day. harry has got this claim against you in the 50s of articles, saying you used illegal means to get the stories. ~ . . , , illegal means to get the stories. . . , , ~ ., stories. what harry must know is i am mindful— stories. what harry must know is i am mindful that _ stories. what harry must know is i am mindful that can't - stories. what harry must know is i am mindful that can't be i is i am mindful that can't be the case. i can't say where every story was wrong but i can see those was that i wrote word from phone hacking, simple as that. , ., ~' from phone hacking, simple as that. i. ~ . . ~ ., that. do you think hacking was auoin on that. do you think hacking was going on at — that. do you think hacking was going on at the _ that. do you think hacking was going on at the sun? - that. do you think hacking was going on at the sun? i - that. do you think hacking was going on at the sun? i don't. i j going on at the sun? i don't. i certainly _ going on at the sun? i don't. i certainly didn't _ going on at the sun? i don't. i certainly didn't think _ going on at the sun? i don't. i certainly didn't think so - going on at the sun? i don't. i certainly didn't think so at - certainly didn't think so at the time. the people i worked with were journalists, not private investigators. did you know about _ private investigators. did you know about people _ private investigators. did you know about people using - private investigators. did you know about people using pis| private investigators. did you l know about people using pis to get something like that? i was aware, i mean _ get something like that? i was aware, i mean they _ get something like that? i was aware, i mean they call- get something like that? i was aware, i mean they call in - get something like that? i was aware, i mean they call in the | aware, i mean they call in the dark art, i was aware that there is more than one way of scanning a rabbit and certain circumstances, newspapers employ those people. did the sun employ — employ those people. did the sun employ those _ employ those people. did the sun employ those people? i l sun employ those people? i think everybody did, yeah. i have heard more and more allegations that illegal newsgathering was something incredibly common in the sun and that has not been my experience in the place i worked. i experience in the place i worked-— experience in the place i worked. . . worked. i never ever heard a suggestion _ worked. i never ever heard a suggestion that _ worked. i never ever heard a suggestion that the - worked. i never ever heard a suggestion that the sun - worked. i never ever heard a suggestion that the sun wasj suggestion that the sun was involved in phone hacking in any way. i do believe there were. the police and the crown prosecution service do not believe it is something worth pursuing, so there has not been a criminal enquiry into phone hacking for literally years and years. hacking for literally years and ears. ., . . ., , ., years. police raiding homes of news international _ years. police raiding homes of news international staff - news international staff looking for evidence of hacking. in looking for evidence of hacking-— looking for evidence of hackin._ , ., , ., ., hacking. in the years following the closure — hacking. in the years following the closure of _ hacking. in the years following the closure of news _ hacking. in the years following the closure of news of - hacking. in the years following the closure of news of the - the closure of news of the world _ the closure of news of the world in _ the closure of news of the world in 2011, the police conducted a series of high—profile investigations into— high—profile investigations into illegal activity by newspapers.- into illegal activity by newspapers. into illegal activity by news--aers. newspapers. about 6am in the mornin: newspapers. about 6am in the morning there _ newspapers. about 6am in the morning there was _ newspapers. about 6am in the morning there was a _ newspapers. about 6am in the morning there was a knock - newspapers. about 6am in the morning there was a knock on | newspapers. about 6am in the i morning there was a knock on my front door, the police had arrived to arrest me. from the m do arrived to arrest me. from the my dog started _ arrived to arrest me. from the my dog started to _ arrived to arrest me. from the my dog started to bark, - my dog started to bark, probably about six in the morning, and i opened the door to a crowd — morning, and i opened the door to a crowd of police officers, all in — to a crowd of police officers, all in clean clothes searching through— all in clean clothes searching through my five—year—old's bedroom, i don't even know to this bedroom, idon't even know to this day— bedroom, i don't even know to this day what they were looking for, saying they have come to arrest — for, saying they have come to arrest rne _ for, saying they have come to arrest me over operation alberton. and was about paying public _ alberton. and was about paying public officials, and yes we paid — public officials, and yes we paid public officials, that's why— paid public officials, that's why it _ paid public officials, that's why it says on page two of the sun, _ why it says on page two of the sun. we — why it says on page two of the sun, we pay cash for stories, ring — sun, we pay cash for stories, ring this _ sun, we pay cash for stories, ring this number. it sun, we pay cash for stories, ring this number.— ring this number. it was the start of four _ ring this number. it was the start of four years _ ring this number. it was the start of four years of - ring this number. it was the start of four years of hell. start of four years of hell because they waiting on bail. just had to wait and wait and hope — just had to wait and wait and hope it— just had to wait and wait and hope it would go away, but a year — hope it would go away, but a year later— hope it would go away, but a year later i was charged and then— year later i was charged and then a — year later i was charged and then a further two and a half years— then a further two and a half years on. _ then a further two and a half years on, on the fifth of january— years on, on the fifth of january of 2015, my trial started _ january of 2015, my trial started at the old bailey in london _ started at the old bailey in london. at started at the old bailey in london. �* ., ., london. at the end of four ears london. at the end of four years the _ london. at the end of four years the judge _ london. at the end of four years the judge said - london. at the end of four years the judge said you . london. at the end of four - years the judge said you could go now, and that was the end of it. it was devastating, completely devastating, devastated my life. you know what? i will never get over this, i have been virtually unable to work for four years, it has taken my health, my family's health, our money, my career, and all because of a campaign against you guys, just as much as it is against tabloid journalism. a campaign against journalism. tabloid journalism. a campaign againstjournalism. many people against journalism. many people were againstjournalism. many people were put on trial, frankly they were put on trial, frankly they were show trials, time and time again, as in my case, ajury were show trials, time and time again, as in my case, a jury of 12 good people listen and threw it out. ., , , it out. you destroyed my career. _ it out. you destroyed my career, destroyed - it out. you destroyed my career, destroyed my - career, destroyed my confidence, my marriage and nearly— confidence, my marriage and nearly destroyed me completely. i'm obviouslyjust relieved that— i'm obviouslyjust relieved that today's verdict, but there is no — that today's verdict, but there is no celebration while this witch—hunt continues against my colleagues, who still are facing _ colleagues, who still are facing the nightmare that i hopefully one day will wake up from — that is definitely reckon brooks and her husband charles brooks. i think rebecca went in first. in brooks. i think rebecca went in first. ., . ' , first. in total 41 people were arrested- — first. in total 41 people were arrested. nine _ first. in total 41 people were arrested. nine were - first. in total 41 people were i arrested. nine were convicted, the others, like rebecca brooks were cleared of all charges. the cps has not turned to the police and said start investigating again. they are not interested. they do not believe there is anything like enough evidence. ii believe there is anything like enough evidence.— enough evidence. if the allegations _ enough evidence. if the allegations are - enough evidence. if the allegations are true, i enough evidence. if the l allegations are true, why enough evidence. if the - allegations are true, why are the police investigating this? that i think the difficulty was that after the trial of rebecca brooks and andy colson, etc, i think the publicjust lost brooks and andy colson, etc, i think the public just lost the appetite for it and therefore the cps also lost the appetite for it as well. it is disappointing that the police don't take it further, given the evidence that has come to light since, but it's a decision for them. people on the other— decision for them. people on the other side _ decision for them. people on the other side would - decision for them. people on the other side would just - decision for them. people on the other side would just say j the other side would just say this has— the other side would just say this has proved the evidence is flimsy— this has proved the evidence is flimsy and does not mean anything. if flimsy and does not mean anything-— flimsy and does not mean an hinu. . anything. if that was the case, why would _ anything. if that was the case, why would newsgroups - anything. if that was the case, why would newsgroups be - why would newsgroups be settling hundreds of claims in the last ten years the millions and millions and millions of pounds if it was just flimsy evidence that did not mean anything?— evidence that did not mean an hint? , ., , , anything? newsgroup newspapers are now fighting _ anything? newsgroup newspapers are now fighting to _ anything? newsgroup newspapers are now fighting to bring - anything? newsgroup newspapers are now fighting to bring it - are now fighting to bring it into the waves of civil litigation against them. at the end of 2022, they asked the courts to strike out two high—profile claims arguing that the alleged unlawful activity happened too long ago. what is the case of prince harry, the other of hugh grant. the press should have massive power. they are such an important pillar of democracy, they need to be there to hold power to account.— they need to be there to hold power to account. weather is a renuine power to account. weather is a genuine public— power to account. weather is a genuine public interest - power to account. weather is a genuine public interest i - power to account. weather is a genuine public interest i thinkl genuine public interest i think the press should given enormous license, — the press should given enormous license, almost to the point of illegality _ license, almost to the point of illegality. but it does not matter— illegality. but it does not matter really what a celebrity is doing. _ matter really what a celebrity is doing, it's interesting to the — is doing, it's interesting to the public, but it's definitely not in — the public, but it's definitely not in the public interest. at that— not in the public interest. at that point it becomes invasion of privacy— that point it becomes invasion of privacy or privacy theft, i would — of privacy or privacy theft, i would argue, and really what they— would argue, and really what they were doing was looking for profit _ they were doing was looking for profit at — they were doing was looking for profit at whatever cost, and by whatever— profit at whatever cost, and by whatever means, criminal or not — whatever means, criminal or not. ,, , , :: , . not. in september 2022, several victims of crime _ not. in september 2022, several victims of crime and _ not. in september 2022, several victims of crime and their- victims of crime and their relatives were among 200 new claims brought against the sun and the news of the world. the -hone and the news of the world. iie: phone hacking and the news of the world. "iie: phone hacking scandal and the news of the world. ii9 phone hacking scandal broke and the news of the world. i““i9: phone hacking scandal broke at the exact moment that the business model for these previously incredibly profitable tabloid newspapers was collapsing on its own accord to. the internet had come along, information was no longerjust what come along, information was no longer just what you could come along, information was no longerjust what you could read in a print product. in the old days if you get a good kiss and tell a good scandalous celebrity story, you would at a quarter of a million sales to your tableau just like that. with the internet, they might click on it but you will not make money off that. having hundreds of millions of pounds leaving these business and damages, at the exact moment they needed to be investing hundreds of millions of pounds to secure their future has been incredibly damaging for the bridges newspaper industry. most of the british press operates at breakeven at best. it operates at breakeven at best. it would — operates at breakeven at best. it would not surprise me if there _ it would not surprise me if there is— it would not surprise me if there is constant drip of some point — there is constant drip of some point shareholders and media owners— point shareholders and media owners will say we can't afford this anymore, we need to close. just close — this anymore, we need to close. just close it. it will be a terrible _ just close it. it will be a terrible day for the british press, _ terrible day for the british press, freedom of the press, freedom _ press, freedom of the press, freedom of speech if this is allowed _ freedom of speech if this is allowed to continue. this prince harry _ allowed to continue. this prince harry has - allowed to continue. this prince harry has arrived l allowed to continue. this. prince harry has arrived at allowed to continue. “i“i 3 prince harry has arrived at the high court this morning at the start of his latest privacy case. the duke of sussex is taking legal action along with a group of either high—profile vigors against the publisher of the daily mail.— the daily mail. elton john has also 'ust the daily mail. elton john has also just arrived, _ the daily mail. elton john has also just arrived, and - the daily mail. elton john has| alsojust arrived, and baroness doreen— alsojust arrived, and baroness doreen lawrence will also attend _ doreen lawrence will also attend. , attend. the first time, the daily mail— attend. the first time, the daily mail the _ attend. the first time, the daily mail the on _ attend. the first time, the daily mail the on sunday i attend. the first time, the l daily mail the on sunday and now facing claims from seven alleged victim tyms. this year, the initial hearings in the strongly disputed cases took place at the high court to decide whether they can proceed to trial. ~ , :, to trial. when the phone hacking _ to trial. when the phone hacking scandal- to trial. when the phone hacking scandal broke, l to trial. when the phone i hacking scandal broke, paul deacon, editor of the male, made very clear that this was not the sort of behaviour that mail group would have been involved in. i mail group would have been involved in.— involved in. i can be as confident _ involved in. i can be as confident as _ involved in. i can be as confident as any i involved in. i can be as| confident as any editor, involved in. i can be as - confident as any editor, having made — confident as any editor, having made extensive enquiries into newspaper practices and an enquiry— newspaper practices and an enquiry that phone hacking was not practised by the mail on sunday— not practised by the mail on sunday or the daily mail. you know — sunday or the daily mail. you know that _ sunday or the daily mail. you know that because they gave this enquiry my unequivocal, unequivocal assurances on that. the cases— unequivocal assurances on that. the cases against the mail came out of the blue, it was extraordinary. you can see it in the response of the mail. it was discussed that they were even having to deal with this, it was accusations that this was a job by a cabal of press reform campaigners. the claimants' _ reform campaigners. the claimants' cases - reform campaigners. the claimants' cases also i reform campaigners. the claimants' cases also evidence from a number of private investigators turned whistleblowers. . �* whistleblowers. what we're really looking _ whistleblowers. what we're really looking for _ whistleblowers. what we're really looking for is - whistleblowers. what we're | really looking for is whether the claims of private investigators who formed bedrock in this case really stacked up, whether they are credible and whether there are documents to set up the documents to set up the documents they had that they were doing illegal work for the mail in the mail on sunday over several decades. in a mail in the mail on sunday over several decades.— several decades. in a blow for the claimants, _ several decades. in a blow for the claimants, one _ several decades. in a blow for. the claimants, one investigator that they had hoped would give evidence on some of the most serious allegations, has now denied he was ever commissioned to work for the mail. some of the private investigators providing evidence of convicted criminals. this includes the jailed phone hacking at glenn mulcaire. b. jailed phone hacking at glenn mulcaire. : :, : jailed phone hacking at glenn mulcaire. : . : :, mulcaire. a hatch for the mail on sunday _ mulcaire. a hatch for the mail on sunday the _ mulcaire. a hatch for the mail on sunday the indirectly i on sunday the indirectly through mercury press, targets included sadie frost, simon hughes, and jude law. 50 included sadie frost, simon hughes, and jude law. so you ket hughes, and jude law. so you kept notes _ hughes, and jude law. so you kept notes and _ hughes, and jude law. so you kept notes and materials? i kept notes and materials? everything was always stated and all the information can always be referred back to when journalists need to become more details. what we have here is the instruction. you have the mail on sunday, clearly noted there, you have sadie frost as a target, you have all the details, and you also have the transcription of the voicemails of sadie frost's voicemails. they were then forwarded my boss by e—mail, who then e—mailed the mail on sunday. than e-mailed the mail on sunday. an e-mail e—mailed the mail on sunday. an e—mail which contained transcribed boats from the alleged hacking was sent to the mail on sunday by mulcair�*s was. howeverthe mail on sunday by mulcair�*s was. however the e—mail said nothing about how the quotes were obtained. so what has been happening in court? :, , , court? probably the most damaging _ court? probably the most damaging thing _ court? probably the most damaging thing that i court? probably the most| damaging thing that came court? probably the most i damaging thing that came out court? probably the most - damaging thing that came out of the game from baroness lawrence, who is the mother of the murdered teenager stephen lawrence. what she said was explosive. i now feel i was to be trade. she says while she thought they were on her side thought they were on her side though actually going behind her back and trying to dig up information on her. —— they were actually going behind her back. , , ,: . :, . back. this is the scenario that everyone _ back. this is the scenario that everyone feared, _ back. this is the scenario that everyone feared, emotions i everyone feared, emotions running _ everyone feared, emotions running out of control down here — running out of control down here and _ running out of control down here and the evidence of the five suspects temporarily derailed. i started reporting on the — derailed. i started reporting on the stephen lawrence murder in the _ on the stephen lawrence murder in the mid—to late 1990s. doreen— in the mid—to late 1990s. doreen lawrence was thrust into the spotlight by the fact that the spotlight by the fact that the police failed to get justice for her son. there well, _ justice for her son. there well, no, _ justice for her son. there well, no, because stephen's killers— well, no, because stephen's killers are still walking the streets _ killers are still walking the streets. it wasn't until the coroner's _ streets. it wasn't until the coroner's inquest that we got to see — coroner's inquest that we got to see the five main suspects. they— to see the five main suspects. they appeared to treat the legal— they appeared to treat the legal system with contempt, as if they— legal system with contempt, as if they were above the whole process _ if they were above the whole process. that triggered the daily— process. that triggered the daily mailto publish its now infamous headline "murderers", naming — infamous headline "murderers", naming the five main suspects. the daily— naming the five main suspects. the daily mail is really thrown down — the daily mail is really thrown down the _ the daily mail is really thrown down the gauntlet _ the daily mail is really thrown down the gauntlet with - the daily mail is really thrown down the gauntlet with this i down the gauntlet with this story — down the gauntlet with this sto . :, :, down the gauntlet with this sto . . . . , down the gauntlet with this sto . . . story. that headline was so powerful — story. that headline was so powerful that _ story. that headline was so powerful that the _ story. that headline was so powerful that the case i story. that headline was so powerful that the case for l powerful that the case for examining what had gone wrong became — examining what had gone wrong became increasingly impossible to avoid — became increasingly impossible to avoid. the day in 2012 when dobson — to avoid. the day in 2012 when dobson and norris was convicted was a _ dobson and norris was convicted was a day— dobson and norris was convicted was a day of huge satisfaction for both— was a day of huge satisfaction for both of stephen's parents. i for both of stephen's parents. i have — for both of stephen's parents. i have had a lot of support from — i have had a lot of support from everybody, - i have had a lot of support from everybody, from i i have had a lot of support from everybody, from the| i have had a lot of support - from everybody, from the press including, — from everybody, from the press including, and— from everybody, from the press including, and i— from everybody, from the press including, and ijust_ from everybody, from the press including, and ijust wanted i from everybody, from the press including, and ijust wanted to. including, and ijust wanted to say thank— including, and ijust wanted to say thank you _ including, and ijust wanted to say thank you all. _ including, and ijust wanted to say thank you all. i _ including, and i just wanted to say thank you all.— say thank you all. i think doreen _ say thank you all. i think doreen lawrence - say thank you all. i think doreen lawrence came l say thank you all. i thinkl doreen lawrence came to say thank you all. i think i doreen lawrence came to trust the daily— doreen lawrence came to trust the daily mail because of the role they played in her campaign. in her claim, there isa— campaign. in her claim, there isa section— campaign. in her claim, there is a section that is very personal. you get the sense that — personal. you get the sense that there was a close relationship there and one where _ relationship there and one where she felt that she was in safe _ where she felt that she was in safe hands. she trusted them. we've — safe hands. she trusted them. we've got— safe hands. she trusted them. we've got the claim form from baroness lawrence and is quite incredible litany of allegations, including interception of voicemail, so old school phone hacking, tapping of landline telephones, lagging of personal records, monitoring of bank accounts, covert electronic surveillance, and corrupt payments to serving metropolitan police officers, including some who are working on the murder investigation into who killed her son. i5 on the murder investigation into who killed her son. is it difficult for _ into who killed her son. is it difficult for you _ into who killed her son. is it difficult for you to _ into who killed her son. is it difficult for you to know i into who killed her son. is it difficult for you to know if this stands up? we difficult for you to know if this stands up?— difficult for you to know if this stands up? we are at the oint in this stands up? we are at the point in the — this stands up? we are at the point in the legal _ this stands up? we are at the point in the legal process i this stands up? we are at the | point in the legal process with either a load of allegations, a lot of it is based on circumstantial evidence and a lot of it is based on the belief of the claimants and their legal teams. if this goes to trial, that's when we will see their claims tested. baroness lawrence wonders whether — baroness lawrence wonders whether by trusting the daily mail— whether by trusting the daily mail she lets down her murdered son, _ mail she lets down her murdered son, stephen, she writes in her statement _ son, stephen, she writes in her statement that she has been played — statement that she has been played for a full. —— fool. i don't believe for a minute illegal behaviour happened at the daily mail. this litigation is a windmill that keeps turning, and very lucrative it is for various law firms and various people trying to now make money from events that happened many years ago. iloathed happened many years ago. what we are seeing — happened many years ago. what we are seeing is _ happened many years ago. what we are seeing is the _ happened many years ago. what we are seeing is the end - happened many years ago. what we are seeing is the end game, realty. — we are seeing is the end game, realty. of— we are seeing is the end game, really, of three decades almost of phone — really, of three decades almost of phone hacking legal cases. now you've got almost every single _ now you've got almost every single national newspaper group in the _ single national newspaper group in the uk — single national newspaper group in the uk being sued by various prominent _ in the uk being sued by various prominent individuals who are determined to drag this back into the _ determined to drag this back into the public consciousness. there — into the public consciousness. there have already succeeded on that point— there have already succeeded on that point in the next challenge is can they actually -et challenge is can they actually get the — challenge is can they actually get the legal victories that they— get the legal victories that they want? hello there. weather across the uk has certainly been testing our patience of late. we are heading for the fourth consecutive weekend where an area of low pressure will dominate the weather story, bringing us some wet and windy weather. but every cloud has a silver lining. and next weekend, i can offer you something a little more promising, settled and summer—like. but at the moment, it's all about storm anthony, which is moving its way across northern ireland, bringing a heavy spell of rain during the early hours of saturday morning. and as that rain continues to drive its way steadily eastwards, the winds will strengthen as well. so we're widely likely to see 20 to 40 millimetres, maybe more for northern ireland for a time. and then the winds gusting 50 to 65 miles an hour along west—facing coasts of wales and south west england. very unusual, really, for this time of year. the rain drives its way quickly eastwards, and then into the afternoon, circulating around that low, we will see a rash of sharp, possibly thundery downpours. slowly improving into northern ireland and lighter winds and fewer showers likely for scotland. but the temperatures will be disappointing right across the country, a maximum of just 14 to 18 celsius by the middle part of the afternoon. the low pressure will gradually move away and the winds will die down. so as we push into sunday, it might be a pleasant start, with some early morning sunshine, particularly in eastern areas, lighter winds. and as we go through the day, we will see a scattering of showers developing out to the west, and some of these will gradually move further inland. but with a little more sunshine coming through, it will be a degree or so warmer. top temperatures of 20 degrees, 68 fahrenheit. not that much change monday into tuesday. showers or longer spells of rains likely, particularly on tuesday. another spell of wet weather to come. but we can offer you a glimpse of something more optimistic by the middle part of next week. an area of high pressure is likely to build, and we haven't seen this for quite some time. so from wednesday onwards, we are likely to see some drier, settled and more summer—like weather. there's still an uncertainty how long it's likely to last, but for next week, showers or longer spells of rain to begin with. but as the high pressure builds, certainly things will settle down and warm up for many. freedom of speech if this is allowed to continue. live from washington, this is bbc news. a day after donald trump is arrainged in his third indictment, how will the former us president's growing legal cases impact his 2024 campaign to return to the white house? hello i'm helena humphrey. this week, the united states has found itself once again in unprecedented territory. never before has a sitting orformer president been indicted on federal criminal charges, and yet donald trump has now been arraigned three times in four months. on thursday, right here in washington dc, mr trump faced arguably the most serious charges levelled against him yet, centered on his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. of course this comes as the former president, runs in the hope of becoming the next president, courting the republican party nomination while facing mounting legal concerns. so let's take a look at the latest charges filed against him yesterday. this time he was accused of four counts, including conspiracy to defraud the united states, tampering with a witness and conspiracy against the rights of citizens. during a brief arraignment in the nation's capital yesterday, mr trump's lawyer entered a plea of not guilty on his behalf. now in the last hour, donald trump has been addressing a summer dinner hosted by the alabama republican party. he's spoken about the various cases that have been brought against him recently. take a listen. and then they filed them all, everyone of them, all at essentially one time, including local dbas and aeds, right in

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