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our russia editor, steve rosenberg reports. this is the closest we were allowed to get to russia's most famous prisoner. we'd been let inside the high—securityjail where alexei navalny is already incarcerated. but journalists weren't allowed into the makeshift courtroom. we had to watch on a screen. for the kremlin critic, this is a trial behind bars. he was found guilty on extremism charges. punishment — more jail time. he was handed a 19 year prison sentence. we may have been allowed in here to watch the verdict on a tv screen, but keep in mind that in this court case, the actual proceedings were closed to the press and to the public and held in a high security prison. describing this trial as "behind closed doors" feels like an understatement. ahead of the verdict, in a message online, mr navalny wrote that a long prison sentence for him was designed to scare russians. he revealed he'd soon be on trial again for terrorism. they chant. a charismatic protest leader and anti—corruption crusader, alexei navalny fell foul of the kremlin long ago. in 2020 in siberia, he was poisoned with a nerve agent and airlifted to germany. he claimed the kremlin tried to kill him. the russian authorities deny it. on his return to russia in 2021, he was arrested and jailed. ever since, he's faced trial after trial, punishment after punishment. it indicates that this regime is ready to be extremely cruel. it sends messages to the broader audience. we will not stop. the machine is working, and it means that they are ready to continue all possible trials against all possible dissidents. that includes this man. igor girkin is no pro—democracy liberal. the russian nationalist backs the war in ukraine but has criticised vladimir putin's handling of it. now he's under arrest, as the kremlin tries to crack down on any kind of criticism. back at the navalny trial, once the verdict was delivered, we were ushered off the penal colony premises. but after today's conviction, with possibly more charges against him to follow, alexei navalny looks set to remain locked away for years to come. steve rosenberg, bbc news, russia. live now to evgenia karamurza, who is the wife of russian activist vladimir karamurza who is surrently imprisoned in the country. thank you so much forjoining us here on the programme. let's talk first about about navalny, because of course we knew it would be a harsh sentence and that, you know, this would be the case today. but it is still difficult to process and fathom when we see the sentences. thank you very much for having me here today. you know what? after my husband's 25 year prison sentence in a strict regime, i am not surprised by anything. and my husband's case, 25 years was what the prosecutor asked and this is what vladimir received. so navalny of course is yet another example that the russian authorities want to give the russian population. they want to show that this is what is going to happen to anyone. adair opposed the official narrative who adair stands up to the resume and not only publicise but denounce its crimes. i5 resume and not only publicise but denounce its crimes.— denounce its crimes. is that tactic workin: ? denounce its crimes. is that tactic working? of _ denounce its crimes. is that tactic working? of course, _ denounce its crimes. is that tactic working? of course, fear - denounce its crimes. is that tactic working? of course, fear is - working? of course, fear is omnipresent _ working? of course, fear is omnipresent in _ working? of course, fear is omnipresent in russia, - working? of course, fear isj omnipresent in russia, and working? of course, fear is - omnipresent in russia, and that is quite understandable because we see what kind of measures are used against any type of protester, against any type of protester, against anyone who opposes to the current situation in russia who denounces it and criticises it. and we know that such measures repressive measures used against those opposed to the regime include punitive psychiatry and absolutely atrocious prison sentences. physical and sexual violence denial of medical care and other absolutely atrocious methods that were used in the soviet times and are used again. here is there, absolutely. but also we need to understand that the number of people continue protesting is absolutely amazing because we hear that because human rights organisations continue reporting about this. we hear of new detentions, new arrests and new criminal cases and new so—called trials every single day, and these are trials and these repressions are used to silence any kind of opposition, used to silence any kind of dissent in the country, because repression in the country in the aggressive war against ukraine are two sides of the same points. unlike navalny and — two sides of the same points. unlike navalny and your— two sides of the same points. unlike navalny and your husband _ two sides of the same points. unlike navalny and your husband to - two sides of the same points. unlike navalny and your husband to have i two sides of the same points. unlike navalny and your husband to have who have very public profile in the world is following report and the situation around them, as you say, there are many others who are in prison dan face trial and lengthy sentences, but we don't hear about it. absolutely. this is why it is so crucial to say those names, to continue speaking about these people. very often, like, again, and the soviet times, publicity is the only way for these people to stay alive. you know, it is absolutely mind—boggling when you think about it, but, yes, publicity very often helps these people stay alive. and i urge everyone to continue speaking their names and to continue raising their names and to continue raising theissue their names and to continue raising the issue of human rights violations inside of our country, yes, again, i can say thatjust inside of our country, yes, again, i can say that just off the top inside of our country, yes, again, i can say thatjust off the top of my head, there's so many people like alexander and others who are not receiving proper medical care behind bars, there are many cases like in this case, the russianjournalist bars, there are many cases like in this case, the russian journalist go through punitive psychiatry in retaliation for their opposition or are subject to extreme physical and sexual violence. fir are subject to extreme physical and sexual violence.— sexualviolence. or have been derived sexualviolence. or have been deprived of— sexualviolence. or have been deprived of their _ sexualviolence. or have been deprived of their parental- sexual violence. or have been i deprived of their parental rights like in the case, a father of a 13—year—old girl was thrown in prison because she drew an anti—war picture at school. so i believe that these people need our attention, need our help and solidarity. tell me about your husband. we just showed the images there, faced a 25 yearsentence. how showed the images there, faced a 25 year sentence. how is he doing? how is his health?— is his health? well, his spirit is stron: as is his health? well, his spirit is strong as always, _ is his health? well, his spirit is strong as always, and - is his health? well, his spirit is strong as always, and this - is his health? well, his spirit is strong as always, and this is i strong as always, and this is amazing to me how he can be a source of inspiration to so many people even behind bars, and he is a source of inspiration to me as well. i get my strength from him from knowing how absolutely principled and strong... i don't know,, i am truly lucky to be sharing my life with someone like him. his physical state is not as good. he lost over 25 kilograms by now, i believe. and his symptoms are still there. the symptoms are still there. the symptoms were brought on by the two placings that he survived in the past by a team of sf that connect fsp operatives, a team of assassins in the russian state to targeted him in the russian state to targeted him in 2015 and 2017 in retaliation for his long—time work on the introduction of the legislation against human rights violators in russia. he survived those two placings but developed neuropathy symptoms and is losing feeling in his extremities. of course, behind bars, he will not receive the care that he needs. but he's one of those people, you know, he would not complain about something trivial as losing feeling in his extremities because he understands that the war in ukraine and all the impossible victims of this work, the innocent people who are dying every day, this is so much more. it's horrendous that has to stop. ihla is so much more. it's horrendous that has to stop.— that has to stop. no doubt this is also taking _ that has to stop. no doubt this is also taking its — that has to stop. no doubt this is also taking its toll _ that has to stop. no doubt this is also taking its toll on _ that has to stop. no doubt this is also taking its toll on you, - that has to stop. no doubt this is also taking its toll on you, your l also taking its toll on you, your family, your child. we also taking its toll on you, your family, your child.— also taking its toll on you, your family, your child. we have three kids, and family, your child. we have three kids. and they — family, your child. we have three kids, and they are _ family, your child. we have three kids, and they are 1114 _ family, your child. we have three kids, and they are 1114 and - family, your child. we have three kids, and they are 1114 and 17, - family, your child. we have three | kids, and they are 1114 and 17, and as you can imagine, they go through hell right now, and they have different understanding of the situation according to their age. —— 11-14. situation according to their age. —— 11—14. they are strong and resilient kids but, of course, it is not easy, especially considering that we hardly have any possibilities of communication with him. for example, the psychological torture that the authorities are using against those who oppose the regime, and in our case, vladimir is denied the right to speak to his kids. recently, he did receive, he was allowed a phone call with his kids, but as soon as that call started coming in like five or ten minutes into the call, he was disconnected. no explanation, nothing. the kids had been so much expecting this call and they were excited to get a father's voice. and you can imagine how heartbroken they were. and deprived of the right to talk to their father. and this is the kind of psychological torture thatis the kind of psychological torture that is being used against people who were isolated from their loved ones and deprived of the right to normally communicate with the loved ones or their opposition to the regime. it ones or their opposition to the reaime. , . , ., ones or their opposition to the reaime. , ., , ., ., ., regime. it is really hard to imagine auoin regime. it is really hard to imagine going there — regime. it is really hard to imagine going there went _ regime. it is really hard to imagine going there went vladimir- regime. it is really hard to imagine going there went vladimir is - going there went vladimir is going there. when you see the sentencing of navalny today, 19 years, as he said, your husband received 25 years recently do you have any hope that perhaps things could change in the future that they may be released earlier? i future that they may be released earlier? . , ,., , future that they may be released earlier? . , , ., ., , earlier? i absolutely have hope, because there _ earlier? i absolutely have hope, because there are _ earlier? i absolutely have hope, because there are people - earlier? i absolutely have hope, because there are people like i because there are people like navalny, like my husband and like thousands and thousands of russian citizens who have been arbitrarily detained since the beginning of the full—scale invasion of ukraine, these people are russia's future. and this is why i believe it is so crucial that they receive the support and solidarity of the western democratic world of which they very much wants to be parts. if there is a rush of tomorrow, democratic russia of tomorrow, these people who believe in such a future and who want this teacher for our country have to first somehow survived the current repression inside russia.— survived the current repression inside russia. ., ~ . ., inside russia. thank you so much for “oininr us inside russia. thank you so much for joining us here _ inside russia. thank you so much for joining us here on _ inside russia. thank you so much for joining us here on the _ inside russia. thank you so much for joining us here on the programme. i joining us here on the programme. thank you very much.— thank you very much. bringing you uo-to-date — thank you very much. bringing you uo-to-date and — thank you very much. bringing you up-to-date and some _ thank you very much. bringing you up-to-date and some and - thank you very much. bringing you i up-to-date and some and developing up—to—date and some and developing these in west africa. nassar, the west african defence chief has announced that they have devised a contingency plan for potential military intervention. ——defence chiefs have announced that they have devised a contingency plan for potential military intervention should the coup leaders in niger refuse to step down. thank you so much forjoining us. bring us up—to—date on the latest situation there in niger. i and bring us up-to-date on the latest situation there in niger.— situation there in niger. i and in the northwest of _ situation there in niger. i and in the northwest of nigeria - situation there in niger. i and in the northwest of nigeria and - situation there in niger. i and in the northwest of nigeria and it i situation there in niger. i and in | the northwest of nigeria and it is the northwest of nigeria and it is the border state that borders niger. and i've been to the port area where the border has been closed for the past five days since the leaders for us to the regime in niger to the ousted president of military intervention. they had also been some, well, information going around about mobilisation probably by, you know, the military arm of eco—was. we have heard today that the eco—was chiefs have said that they have come with a decision, but they are not making that decision public. they will only be revealing their decision to the heads of state of eco—was. as the leaders have said, military option is likely going to be the last option before the option has failed. we do know that the chairman of the ecowas had sent delegates to the militaryjunta in niger and also tried to engage with the government of libya and algeria, as well as exploring diplomatic channels and achieving a peaceful solution to the situation in niger. 0k, thank you so much for bringing us up to date there on the situation in niger. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news the uk's electricity networks commissioner says the country must spend billions of pounds modernising and rapidly expanding its electricy network, if net zero carbon targets are to be reached. in a report for the government, nick winser said the planning process needed to be accelerated, with local communities consulted early, and offered financial incentives if pylons are built nearby. a man has beenjailed for life, crouch was found guilty of murder this week at his home in 2020 and has been sentenced to a minimum term of 28 years. jacob's mother was cleared of murder but found guilty of causing or allowing the death of a child. a royal spokesman has said there will be no official public event to mark the first anniversary of the death of queen elizabeth. you're live with bbc news. a tiktok influencer and her mother who were accused of killing two men during a high—speed car chase near leicester, have been found guilty of murder. mahek bukhari, who's 24, and her mother ansreen bukhari were convicted of the murder of saqib hussain and mohammed hashim ija—zuddin in february last year. our midlands correspondent navteonhal reports from leicester crown court. mahek bukhari wanted to be known as a social media influencer, spending much of her time on tiktok. but it was the events in her life offline that have now made her infamous. where were you? where was that? this is a video she didn't post online. police body cam footage of her and her mother's arrest on suspicion of murder in february last year. they arrived at this point due to a three—year relationship between her mother, 46—year—old ansreen bukhari, and 21—year—old saqib hussain. the court heard that when bukhari broke off the affair, saqib hussain threatened to send sexually explicit material of her to her husband and son if she didn't repay him money that he claimed he'd spent on her. in response, the jury were told the bukharis hatched a plot with the help of others to seize mr hussain's phone, containing the explicit material. he agreed to meet them in leicester under the belief that he'd be receiving payment. he was driven there by his close friend hashim ijazuddin. but the proposed meeting quickly became a deadly chase with the bukharis and their group in two cars following the two young men in their vehicle. in a police interview after her arrest, mahek bukhari lied, claiming she was an innocent driver just witnessing a chase. so i looked at mum, i go, mum, what is going on? what is wrong, are they. ..? i don't know if they drunk, what are they. ..? what are they trying to do to this blue car in general? a short distance from here on the a46 is where the crash took place. just beforehand, saqib hussain was on a 999 call telling the operator that he was being followed by people wearing balaclavas. he says, "they're trying to ram us off the road. please, i'm begging you. i think i'm going to die. " mehek bukhari and her mother have been found guilty of their murder. raees jamal, who was driving the car that hit the victims. and rekhan karwan, who was driving the vehicle carrying the bukharis, have also been convicted of two counts of murder. three other defendants have been found guilty of two counts of manslaughter and one cleared of all charges. navteonhal, bbc news. now to russia, where a navy ship has been towed into harbour after what ukraine says was a strike by one of its sea drones. let's take a look at this video — released by a ukrainian intelligence source. it appears to be filmed from a maritime drone, which the source says attacked and hit the russian navy�*s ship, olenegorsky gorynak. according to the source, the attack was led by ukraine's security agency and navy, with nearly a tonne of explosives, near the russian black sea port of novorossiysk. russia said it had repelled a drone attack. let's speak to dr hanna shelest, head of security studies at the foreign policy council's "ukrainian prism" — which is a non—governmental research organisation. shejoins from odesa. thank you very much forjoining us on the programme. if you can give us a few more details about this drone attack today. it’s a few more details about this drone attack today-— attack today. it's necessary to emphasise — attack today. it's necessary to emphasise where _ attack today. it's necessary to emphasise where the - attack today. it's necessary to emphasise where the attack. attack today. it's necessary to - emphasise where the attack happened. the port is occupied russian territory. and the most active part where most experts happen. they always thought that this territory is absolutely safe, so the attack that happened just very near to the harbour is important both from the military point of view, but also from the psychological point of view because clearly demonstrating that despite the disproportional power in the black sea region, but russians are not able to protect the infrastructure that is on their territory. infrastructure that is on their territo . ~ ., �* infrastructure that is on their territo .~ ., ., territory. we don't often have the ukrainians admitting _ territory. we don't often have the ukrainians admitting to _ territory. we don't often have the ukrainians admitting to these - territory. we don't often have the l ukrainians admitting to these sorts of attacks. we usually don't admit immediately because we need to have the proof, we need to be sure that the proof, we need to be sure that the attack was successful, but this morning, we started to receive videos from the citizens who saw how the damage had been moved to the harbour and the satellite pictures. so in such cases usually the security services later admits, especially when they have the videos, like the one that you just showed that proved that that was definitely the result of their attack. what exactly has it achieved? you talk there about the psychological implications of this, but has its done real damage? has psychological implications of this, but has its done real damage? $5101 but has its done real damage? as for now, from those _ but has its done real damage? as for now, from those photos _ but has its done real damage? as for now, from those photos that - but has its done real damage? as for now, from those photos that we - but has its done real damage? is ff?" now, from those photos that we saw, its definitely not going to be it's definitely not going to be active for at least several months, let's hope that we will have more intelligence information in the next days. how severely it's damaged, but in the stable position but on their side. so that's demonstrated that the explosions should happen really close to there. if you ask about coincidences, there were two, when very practical. russians needed additional capacities, platforms to deliver different types of military goods to crimea. so instead of these, this particular was one of those involved in the operation. so now —1 sheep, —1 platform that can deliver the military equipment that is used in the russian ukrainian war, and the second one is important as we are expecting the green deal negotiations. russians demonstrated their power, they demonstrated that they control the black sea by attacking odesa, but also the part within the last week. and as a result when ukraine attacks as it did before but the port that is the furthest to the east, that was the very good sign and position that your ports are also not safe. we are heafina your ports are also not safe. we are hearin: a your ports are also not safe. we are hearing a lot — your ports are also not safe. we are hearing a lot about _ your ports are also not safe. we are hearing a lot about this _ hearing a lot about this counteroffensive and the fact that it isn't really moving anywhere, not the way the world had expected on the way the world had expected on the ukrainian side. does this sort of thing help? in the ukrainian side. does this sort of thing help?— of thing help? in the practical oint of of thing help? in the practical point of view, _ of thing help? in the practical point of view, but _ of thing help? in the practical point of view, but you - of thing help? in the practical point of view, but you know, | of thing help? in the practical- point of view, but you know, that's really these high expectations, something that we don't know to cry or to laugh, because everybody after these months is thinking about ukrainian armed forces as some kind of superman, super hero, what they are, but at the same time, the actual warfare is happening. yes, we have a must daily information about additional kilometre or additional villages that have been liberated, but it is not a blockbuster to see. in deed, and president zelensky has told us the same, that it is not a hollywood film. unfortunately, i have 15 seconds left, but thank you so much forjoining us here on the programme. in the next few minutes, or in the next half hour, we will have a ukrainian singer on the programme. stay with us for that. hello there. earlier today, we had a big line of thunderstorms that developed across parts of eastern england, and they brought some very heavy rain, like here in suffolk. further south, in parts of essex, they saw 9mm in just the space of one hour. so a really hefty downpour. and talking about rain, we've got more of that to come for saturday, i'm afraid, thanks to this area of low pressure that has been named by the met office as storm antoni. now antoni will bring outbreaks of rain quickly into northern ireland. the rain heavy and persistent here. some wet weatherjust edging into south west scotland, wales and western england. our temperatures overnight holding up into double figures. but antoni could cause a few impacts weather—wise on saturday, accumulating rain for northern ireland, first of all, 20—40mm, maybe a bit more than that over the high ground in the mournes. it's enough to cause some localised flooding. and as our wet weather extends into england and wales, it comes with a punch. some very strong gusty winds affecting wales and south west england, where gusts could reach 50—65mph, strong enough to blow down a few trees. and given there's a lot of people out and about at the moment, given the summer holidays, well, there could be a few impacts, some disruption out and about. the wet weather extends eastwards through the day. the weather brightens up for scotland and northern ireland. just a few showers here. for some, it won'tjust be wet and windy, it'll be really cold for august as well, with temperatures around 14—15 celsius. that really is rubbish. on into sunday, it's a better day weather—wise, as the storm system moves offshore. we're looking at a day of sunshine and showers. the greatest risk of seeing showers and a few thunderstorms for scotland and eastern england, probably drier for wales and south west england with the best of the day's weather. temperatures still a little bit below average for the time of year. now heading beyond that and into monday, it's a better day again. there's a weak ridge of high pressure building in, and so a lot of fine weather for england and wales. fine start in northern ireland, but rain to end the day and in scotland, you'll get some fairly heavy showers, particularly across northern and western areas. the south and east of scotland probably staying dry with some sunshine. temperatures generally high teens to low 20s. but as we get towards the latter part of the week, an area of high pressure is going to be across the uk for the first time in some seven weeks, and that is set to bring some drier, sunnier and warmer weather. and for some of us, temperatures late in the week could reach at least the mid—20s, maybe the high—205. this is bbc news, the headlines the jails of russian opposition leader alexei navalny has his prison sentence accepted the 19 years, the un and eu will cause for his immediate release. oceans hit their hottest recorded temperatures with grim implications on the planet. speak with pakistan's climate change which is a fund to help vulnerable countries is doctrine. a tiktok influencer and a mother called for milk guilty from her two men when they run their car off the road. we start with some breaking news. you remember about one month ago in us soldier, army private travis king who crossed into north korea, the united states has declined to classify him as a prisoner of war. that is despite him being taken into north korea in custody, the decision which could mean that army private travis king is not covered by the protections entitled to prisoners of war under the geneva convention. it's highly sensitive for the us military given its commitment to leave no soldier behind enemy lines. he was a 23—year—old who would dash across the heavily guarded border during a tour of the demilitarised zone separating the north and south korea has been an open question for the military but that is just some breaking news coming to us. the united states has declined in so far it to do the clock to classify army private travis king as a prisoner

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