First indictment in manhattan. The fact that he is using these political appearances in court for political appearances in court for political capital, you will see tonight perhaps a camera that will follow him amazed journey, its all carefully documented. It is relayed on the campaign videos, it is now part of the broader Fundraising Effort which is of course needed, hes already spent 4 million on his legal fees hes already spent 4 million on his legalfees and none hes already spent 4 million on his legal fees and none of these cases have yet to come to court. But lets begin with the scene in washington. Our colleague karl nasman is at the courthouse. We should talk about the geography. Youre actually standing outside the courthouse, very close to the Western Entrance to capital hill where of course all these events unfolded on january six. Where of course all these events unfolded on january six. Where of course all these events unfolded on january six. Yes. You would know unfolded on january six. Yes. You would know very unfolded on january six. Yes. You would know very well unfolded on january six. Yes. You would know very well where unfolded on january six. Yes. You would know very well where we. Unfolded on january six. Yes. You | would know very well where we are for that we are in front of the courthouse here that has seen many otherjanuary six cases, just steps away, less than a mile away is the Capital Building itself. We can see from wweerree is standing. That is of course where those events played out on the date, january six riots, the insurrection as it is called. Many of this case that the former president is now facing, many of those charges are directly related to the events that led up to that date. He is facing four criminal charges for that we are expecting him to arrive shortly. Hes got not the plan, getting into his motorcade. It looks like they are driving away now. Looks like they are headed here. We are expecting that Court Appearance to begin around four oclock. The former president should arrive ahead of that. As youre mentioning, a lot of this now becoming, although it is to start becoming routine. Weve seen this a couple of times before not only in new york but also miami in the state of florida. We will see it again here in washington, dc. The Nations Capitaljust again here in washington, dc. The Nations Capital just steps again here in washington, dc. The Nations Capitaljust steps away again here in washington, dc. The Nations Capital just steps away from the capitol building. He will be processed, hell be read aloud those for mac charges without we have read that donald trump will plead not guilty. Other methods will take place that will last 30 minutes to an hour and then we do expect the former president to make his way back to the airport, get back on the aeroplane and go right back to new jersey. He aeroplane and go right back to new jerse. U, aeroplane and go right back to new jerse. ,. ,. , jersey. He could oin this virtually but hes taken jersey. He could oin this virtually but hes taken a jersey. He could join this virtually but hes taken a political jersey. He could join this virtually but hes taken a political decision| but hes taken a political decision to attend in person, didnt we know whether hes likely to make a statement after hearing . He was civen the statement after hearing . He was given the option statement after hearing . He was given the option by statement after hearing . He was given the option by the statement after hearing . He was given the option by the Court Statement after hearing . He was l given the option by the court itself to appear, to some sort of Video Conference instead hes on his way here. As weve seen in the past the president does like to take advantage of these opportunities to make it part of his campaign put a Front Runnerfor the 2024 make it part of his campaign put a front runner for the 2024 republican nomination. So this is very much intertwined with that campaign. We saw the florida, a long drive from the courthouse they are to a famous cuban cafe, a restaurant where he met up with his supporters. He even had some sing happy birthday to him. It was the day before his birthday. We are not sure, we havent heard any confirmation yet today about whether you make any kind of speech. We are not expecting anything before the Court Appearance. Its possible we will hear something later. It would be very with what we seen in the past. The past. The former president of course making his legal issues very much political as well, making part of his campaign, hes been fundraising of these legal issues. Hes already started to do that for this indictment as well. We are expecting at least some sort of statement. We could get that later on today, were not sure what or where that would be. On today, were not sure what or where that would be. Carol, stay there because where that would be. Carol, stay there because we where that would be. Carol, stay there because we will where that would be. Carol, stay there because we will come where that would be. Carol, stayj there because we will come back where that would be. Carol, stay i there because we will come back to you as events proceed this evening. Youre looking at live pictures in the right hand box, the motorcade making its way downtown from the national airport. Making its way downtown from the nationalairport. Lets making its way downtown from the national airport. Lets talk about the indictment. It describes a breathtakingly Broad Campaign that donald trump encouraging 2020 in a desperate and futile attempt to cling to power. In service of that goal the Special Prosecutor alleges in 45 pages of this indictment that the former president elicited six Co Conspirators to spread lies and disinformation. First impression of the State Legislatures then congress and then the Vice President mike pence, culminating in the appalling events that we witnessed on january the 6th. Let me introduce you to the panel this evening. Let me introduce you to the panel this evening. Im joined now by the republican strategist mark williams, attorney and former federal prosecutor Ankush Khardori and the Documentary Film Maker Alex Holder who appeared as a witness in the january six hearings. The committee subpoenaed hours of footage he filmed for his Documentary Series unprecedented, which followed mr trump and his senior staff, before and afterjanuary 6th. We will talk about that in the course of the evening. The republicans again today have accused joe biden and merritt garland, the Attorney General of weapon i think the Justice Department to Attorney General of weapon i think theJustice Department to bring this case with him is that accurate to your view . Case with him is that accurate to yourview . Its case with him is that accurate to your view . Its taken three and half years to get to this position and it took them until november last year took them until november last year to appoint a special counsel. I dont think its accurate. In fact, i followed this closely, i reported on a profile for Marit Garland this year and i dont think they really wanted to do this. What a beam by thatis wanted to do this. What a beam by that is when Marit Garland entered office, Whenjoe Biden entered office, Whenjoe Biden entered office, we are reporting around this at the time that they wanted to move past trump. They were trying to avoid a confrontation with child in terms of his legal culpability for variety of things including january six. Thatjust proved to be unavoidable thanks in large part to the january Six Committee and the hearings last year and the public controversy or attention that those drew. I think the notion that the doj weapon arises is talking points, i have to point out that this theme on the part of republicans, they first started to develop it last august. The day that prompts home at mara lago was searched by the fbi. At a point in time where none of us except for theJustice Department except for the Justice Department and trump had any except for theJustice Department and trump had any idea except for the Justice Department and trump had any idea what was except for theJustice Department and trump had any idea what was in there, what the case was about a what they were going to find. I think its very telling that the notion they would be a Weaponisation Committee for incentives in congress was something republicans were planning late last year. So they been laying the groundwork for this. I think this theme or argument if you will has almost no relation to the actual facts. The actual facts. There are four charues the actual facts. There are four charges including the actual facts. There are four charges including conspiracy i the actual facts. There are four charges including conspiracy to defraud the United States and conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, namely his attempt to stop the counting of the votes. Mark williams, you are a republican. Do you believe the 20 20 election was stolen . I you believe the 20 20 election was stolen . , � �. , stolen . I dont. But there are republicans stolen . I dont. But there are republicans out stolen . I dont. But there are republicans out there stolen . I dont. But there are republicans out there that i stolen . I dont. But there are republicans out there that believe there republicans out there that believe there were nefarious things in and around there were nefarious things in and around the there were nefarious things in and around the election. I think the president around the election. I think the president had some advisers in his ears that president had some advisers in his ears that were incorrect in telling god ears that were incorrect in telling god and ears that were incorrect in telling god. And that gets us to where we are right now. So god. And that gets us to where we are right nova are right now. So is it conceivable that he didnt are right now. So is it conceivable that he didnt know are right now. So is it conceivable that he didnt know hed are right now. So is it conceivable that he didnt know hed lost . Are right now. So is it conceivable i that he didnt know hed lost . Look, i dont know. That he didnt know hed lost . Look, i dont know. I that he didnt know hed lost . Look, i dont know, i cant that he didnt know hed lost . Look, i dont know, i cant speak that he didnt know hed lost . Look, i dont know, i cant speak to that he didnt know hed lost . Look, i dont know, i cant speak to what l i dont know, i cant speak to what the president knew or didnt know at that time i the president knew or didnt know at that time. Ijust know the verbiage he was that time. Ijust know the verbiage he was using. I think its going to be incredibly hard to prove conspiracy. Be incredibly hard to prove consuiracy be incredibly hard to prove consira. , conspiracy. Really . There was demonstrable conspiracy. Really . There was demonstrable evidence conspiracy. Really . There was demonstrable evidence that l conspiracy. Really . There was| demonstrable evidence that he conspiracy. Really . There was demonstrable evidence that he lost. 60 court cases, leavens senior figures in the Administration Legal counsel telling him hed lost. I guess the only defences that he truly believed it was stolen despite all the evidence he provided with. Right. | all the evidence he provided with. Right. Ijust dont know how you get to that right. Ijust dont know how you get to that in right. Ijust dont know how you get to that in a court of law at the end of the day~ to that in a court of law at the end of the day~ i to that in a court of law at the end of the day. Ijust dont know how you prove of the day. Ijust dont know how you prove what he believed or what he didnt you prove what he believed or what he didnt believe. How you prove what he believed or what he didnt believe. He didnt believe. How does he defend this . He didnt believe. How does he defend this . Some he didnt believe. How does he defend this . Some are he didnt believe. How does he defend this . Some are speculating he has to bleed into currents or stupidity. There are many who think ignorance or stupidity. 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I think at the end of the day youre going to see that the end of the day youre going to see that progress over i think this is going see that progress over i think this is going to see that progress over i think this is going to be really hard to get to in a court is going to be really hard to get to in a court of is going to be really hard to get to in a court of law, they are one of the hardest in a court of law, they are one of the hardest ones to ever prove. Alice, you the hardest ones to ever prove. Alice, you are invited to be around the president and his family in the days after the election. You gave evidence to the january Six Committee under subpoena. Did you ever get a hint that he knew at that moment that he had lost . I ever get a hint that he knew at that moment that he had lost . Moment that he had lost . I think theres a few moment that he had lost . I think theres a few things moment that he had lost . I think theres a few things to moment that he had lost . I think theres a few things to bear theres a few things to bear in mind. Donald trump had set up the idea of the election being fraudulent well before the election took place. He was talking about aiden and balance. This idea had already started. In fact it started earlier the neck even when he was against hillary clinton, when he wouldnt accept that he would accept the results if she had won. Trump believes that he is always going to win. He has this inability to accept a loss. So when you are around him he convinces all those around him and himself in these ludicrous ideas. Theres not a single shred of evidence to support any of the claims that he made throughout the entire time and still making these ridiculous allegations. His own Attorney General a few days before i met him in december said there was no evidence whatsoever to support his position. And then with Him Afterjanuary six in mar a lago embed minister Hejust Afterjanuary six in mar a lago embed minister he just continued to maintain his position constantly. I think its because trumps character is one that all the way through his life he has never been able to accept that he lost or that he was defeated. It will be interesting to see him believing that hes actually insane, which i he will do. I think it is pretty straightforward to prove that. It is pretty straightforward to prove that it is pretty straightforward to rove that. ,. , , prove that. You told the committee that when you prove that. You told the committee that when you went prove that. You told the committee that when you went in prove that. You told the committee that when you went in to prove that. You told the committee that when you went in to do prove that. You told the committee that when you went in to do the that when you went in to do the interviews you couldnt imagine that he didnt know he had lost. And yet when you came out of the interviews you are 100 certain, this is what you said at the time he thought it had been stolen from him. Yes. There is no doubt had been stolen from him. Yes. There is no doubt donald had been stolen from him. Yes. There is no doubt donald trump had been stolen from him. Yes. There is no doubt donald trump himself is no doubt donald trump himself believes in all sorts of conspiracies and unreasonable claims. To quote his own Attorney General he said to the january Six Committee that trump was detached from reality. Donald trump is in his mid 705, he is the Commander In Chief Aside and he was refusing to accept what everybody around him is saying except a few crackpots. I think trump is an unusual person in the sense that he can be claiming the sky is green when it is not. He willjust keep digging himself into that whole again and again and again using ever to capitulate. Its an unreasonable position. Obviously the election was not stolen. Every single court case he failed at. He then went on to put pressure on Election Officials to try and find 11,000 or so votes in georgia. When i was with him in the white house, that very day it was when the georgia case was dismissed in the Georgia Courts about him saying that the machines were. Every time somebody voted for trumps that actually the machines were hacked and sent to president biden. It was madness. For me it was terrifying to see someone who has convinced