including curtsies, bows and even using their royal titles. and the sunday people says ukrainian hackers halt vladimir putin's party vodka. "booze missiles" is its headline. that would take me a little while to work out that one but let's begin. we will start by looking at the big story that has dominated the evening here. the results coming in from northern ireland. if we look at the independent newspaper, sinn fein heralds new era for northern ireland, including a photo which is the photo shown on many of the front pages, that selfie with michelle o'neill and senior members of the republican party, the leader michelle o'neill. she may if negotiations work out become the first minister of northern ireland. how do you see this, lucy, a new era? ,, , . �* how do you see this, lucy, a new era? seismic. an historic event, artl era? seismic. an historic event, partly because _ era? seismic. an historic event, partly because of— era? seismic. an historic event, partly because of the _ era? seismic. an historic event, partly because of the way - era? seismic. an historic event, partly because of the way in - era? seismic. an historic event, i partly because of the way in which so many people have watched the transition of sinn fein, which is the political wing, was the political wing of the ira now becoming the largest party and it is the first time historically that the nationalist party has led northern ireland and we have to remember they were almost a pariah party. there were almost a pariah party. there were times when you weren't even allowed to have their words voiced on a broadcast and now it's got to the point where, yes, they are in that position to have that first minister role but there could be some constitutional crises going forward, simply because the dup didn't seem to be very comfortable about taking that deputy first minister role and, unfortunately, that could then lead to a complete stalemate. we could actually have discussions about what goes on at stormont. we might not have any kind of government therefore up to six months. therefore, what seems like a really historic moment actually might not transition into anything in the short term.— might not transition into anything in the short term. let's look at the observer which _ in the short term. let's look at the observer which leads _ in the short term. let's look at the observer which leads both - in the short term. let's look at the observer which leads both with - in the short term. let's look at the | observer which leads both with the sinn fein victory and also with that selfie with michelle o'neill, i think who is doing the snapping, and the leader mary lou mcdonald from sinn fein. smiles all round there. seismic sinn fein victory. as a pollster, do you have any insights you can give as from these elections when you look at the numbers, joe twyman? when you look at the numbers, joe t man? ~ , ., when you look at the numbers, joe t man? ~ i” when you look at the numbers, joe t man? ~ ,, ., twyman? when you look at the numbers. _ twyman? when you look at the numbers. it's — twyman? when you look at the numbers, it's interesting - twyman? when you look at the numbers, it's interesting to - twyman? when you look at the - numbers, it's interesting to see how northern_ numbers, it's interesting to see how northern ireland has changed. we remember, lucy and i both remembera time when the leader, indeed any representatives of sinn fein were not even — representatives of sinn fein were not even allowed to speak on british broadcasters. so it's a turnaround in that_ broadcasters. so it's a turnaround in that respect but in terms of the numbers— in that respect but in terms of the numbers in— in that respect but in terms of the numbers in more recent years, the change _ numbers in more recent years, the change hasn't actually been as great as you _ change hasn't actually been as great as you might imagine on the nationalist side. sinn fein show the vote is up 1% compared to their last performance but if you combine all of the nationalist votes over the last seven assembly elections, you find that, _ last seven assembly elections, you find that, actually, the nationalist vote as _ find that, actually, the nationalist vote as a — find that, actually, the nationalist vote as a whole has fluctuated around — vote as a whole has fluctuated around 40%, as it was this time around~ — around 40%, as it was this time around. what has changed is the dynamics— around. what has changed is the dynamics of unionist support. they democratic— dynamics of unionist support. they democratic unionists have seen their share _ democratic unionists have seen their share of— democratic unionists have seen their share of the — democratic unionists have seen their share of the vote dropped 7%, which allowed _ share of the vote dropped 7%, which allowed sinn fein to come in on top. i think— allowed sinn fein to come in on top. i think there — allowed sinn fein to come in on top. i think there is a question for them about— i think there is a question for them about how— i think there is a question for them about how they approach not just future _ about how they approach not just future elections but also future negotiations around the northern ireland _ negotiations around the northern ireland assembly. it's been the case that they— ireland assembly. it's been the case that they lead the party gets to nominate the first minister and then the second _ nominate the first minister and then the second party gets to nominate the second party gets to nominate the deputy minister. but the dup has already— the deputy minister. but the dup has already come out and said that that will depend on solving the problems of the _ will depend on solving the problems of the northern irish protocol. so we are _ of the northern irish protocol. so we are some way away from the situation — we are some way away from the situation being resolved there. but if the _ situation being resolved there. but if the dup— situation being resolved there. but if the dup are unable to do that, it's difficult to see how they regain — it's difficult to see how they regain those numbers. let's bring in the sunday telegraph _ regain those numbers. let's bring in the sunday telegraph and _ regain those numbers. let's bring in the sunday telegraph and you - regain those numbers. let's bring in the sunday telegraph and you can . the sunday telegraph and you can probably guess what is on the front page, both the sinn fein victory and that selfie of the sinn fein leaders. what i haven't actually looked at is the actual selfie itself, having seen the picture of the people taking the selfie, lets if we can see the actual selfie itself. but the angle of the sunday telegraph goes live, lucy, protocol to be scrapped as sinn fein celebrates historic victory for stop that would be a decision by the british government itself, the conservatives in london? yes, but that is because _ conservatives in london? yes, but that is because of _ conservatives in london? yes, but that is because of the _ conservatives in london? yes, but that is because of the agitation - that is because of the agitation from the dup and that is because they themselves, we were talking about the historic achievement of sinn fein but the other story around this is the dup and a massive psychological blow to their sense of self, their sense of identity and right now, their crisis of confidence can only really be resolved by digging their heels in and saying, we are not going to participate unless protocol gets redesigned in some shape or form. so not only is this a vote which is very much about northern ireland but it's also going to influence the relationship with the eu, as well as with the uk. so brandon lewis a couple of nights ago was saying, yes, we might have to actually look at the protocol again but people are being quite vague about it because i think what they really want to see is what the dup actually say about being, taking that deputy first minister role? of course, the power—sharing agreement seemed to work fine for them every time that they were first minister but it's interesting that they now want to try to renegotiate things now that they are not actually number one, in they are not actually number one, in the position of number one. so yes, there could be a really big impact on the northern ireland agreement, but also on the protocol, in terms of how that gets rewritten either to the satisfaction of the eu or to the satisfaction of the dup, or to neither of their satisfaction, in which case you will have yet another stalemate. jae which case you will have yet another stalemate. , ., , . which case you will have yet another stalemate. g ., , ., , a which case you will have yet another stalemate. , ., , ., , w , which case you will have yet another stalemate. , ., , ., , a , ., stalemate. joe twyman, picking up on one of the broader _ stalemate. joe twyman, picking up on one of the broader points _ stalemate. joe twyman, picking up on one of the broader points raised - stalemate. joe twyman, picking up on one of the broader points raised by . one of the broader points raised by sinn fein, michelle o'neill, is the future of the union, the future of northern ireland, whether or not in the next few years i would be a referendum about northern ireland joining the republic of ireland. do you have any sense of notjust where that stands in northern ireland because we get a sense of that from the vote today but where it might be echoed in the mainland and britain and in the republic of ireland? well, in britain, we know it's not top well, in britain, we know it's not too of— well, in britain, we know it's not top of people's minds and that is something that now may be raised and it is perhaps _ something that now may be raised and it is perhaps something that people will consider for the first time in their— will consider for the first time in their lifetimes. but over in northern ireland consistently a plurality — northern ireland consistently a plurality of people support not leaving — plurality of people support not leaving the united kingdom. that is of course _ leaving the united kingdom. that is of course the principle of a hypothetical border poll. there is a majority _ hypothetical border poll. there is a majority support to have the border poll majority support to have the border uoii but. _ majority support to have the border uoii but. as — majority support to have the border poll but, as i say, a plurality oppose _ poll but, as i say, a plurality oppose leaving the united kingdom. i can understand, given that consistent level of polling, why sinn _ consistent level of polling, why sinn fein— consistent level of polling, why sinn fein would be hesitant about calling _ sinn fein would be hesitant about calling that referendum. you do not calling that referendum. you do not call a _ calling that referendum. you do not call a referendum, calling that referendum. you do not calla referendum, in theory, unless you know— calla referendum, in theory, unless you know you can win it and we've seen _ you know you can win it and we've seen similar— you know you can win it and we've seen similar situations in scotland, where _ seen similar situations in scotland, where things can change, yes, but you don't— where things can change, yes, but you don't really want to risk it unless— you don't really want to risk it unless you _ you don't really want to risk it unless you can be sure of that situation _ unless you can be sure of that situation. sol unless you can be sure of that situation. so i imagine sinn fein will situation. so i imagine sinn fein wiii bide — situation. so i imagine sinn fein will bide their time, monitor how the situation develops and then perhaps— the situation develops and then perhaps make a judgment after that. but what _ perhaps make a judgment after that. but what is _ perhaps make a judgment after that. but what is interesting, of course, is that— but what is interesting, of course, is that the — but what is interesting, of course, is that the dup have a role to play in this— is that the dup have a role to play in this as — is that the dup have a role to play in this as well. they are a party that— in this as well. they are a party that was— in this as well. they are a party that was set up essentially, one interpretation of it could be, to say no, — interpretation of it could be, to say no, that's theirjob and they are very. — say no, that's theirjob and they are very, very good at digging their heeis _ are very, very good at digging their heels in _ are very, very good at digging their heels in so— are very, very good at digging their heels in. so how they behave with regards _ heels in. so how they behave with regards to— heels in. so how they behave with regards to the northern ireland protocol, — regards to the northern ireland protocol, of course, could have a huge _ protocol, of course, could have a huge influence on the people of northern— huge influence on the people of northern ireland's attitude towards a border— northern ireland's attitude towards a border poll in principle but also how they — a border poll in principle but also how they would vote one way or the other _ how they would vote one way or the other so _ how they would vote one way or the other. so the dup once again find themselves potentially playing a very dangerous game, as they did with theresa may when they held the balance _ with theresa may when they held the batance of— with theresa may when they held the balance of power in the minority government. balance of power in the minority government-— balance of power in the minority government. again, you could say the blew government. again, you could say they blew it- _ government. again, you could say they blew it. we've _ government. again, you could say they blew it. we've talked - government. again, you could say they blew it. we've talked about l government. again, you could say l they blew it. we've talked about the result are northern ireland, in britain, the sunday telegraph on its front page has a story, housing crisis cast as a vote, says michael gove. lucy, the conservatives have lost almost 500 council seats. take as through the analysis where you think it leaves him and the party and borisjohnson? think it leaves him and the party and boris johnson?_ think it leaves him and the party and boris johnson? michael gove, who have causes — and boris johnson? michael gove, who have causes the _ and boris johnson? michael gove, who have causes the minister _ and boris johnson? michael gove, who have causes the minister for _ have causes the minister for levelling up, maintains that one of the reasons why the conservatives have done so badly in the last 48 hours is because there is a certain swathe of the population, people let's say under 30 who haven't been able to get on the housing ladder, which is completely true, but he does think that the answer to that is actually building more homes but doesn't necessarily see the bigger picture, which is also the way in which many graduates have been affected by really quite astronomical graduate taxes and also just in terms of the housing stock and whether you can afford their mortgage pommy dill payments. so it's all very well taking out a mortgage when they are at historic lows, as they have been recently. as the cost of living goes up, it's very reasonable to assume mortgage rates will also go up and whilst they are not in the florida salt of 10—15% that some people from a generation ago, it still is a concern if you are contemplating taking out a mortgage, that you might not be able to fund it in the medium term. so i think what's quite interesting about this is michael grove dill gove is identifying what political commentators have talked about, which is labour seem to do well in areas where there are not lots of graduates, in big urban, metropolitan areas and the conservatives as a result also did not do so well. so it is right to actually be finally trying to address that particular segment of the electorate because for many of those people, they would have thought, well, what reason do i have to vote conservative? but michael gove is not the only person who is currently trying to work out why the conservatives did so badly what this article in the telegraph is identifying as a whole range of people from john redwood, kit malthouse, lots of people coming out and coming out with their own version of why the conservatives did so badly. sometimes it is targeting borisjohnson, sometimes is about policies and at the moment, there is no clear reason as to why. they haven't come up with one slam dunk reason as to why people didn't vote for them. we reason as to why people didn't vote for them. ~ ., ., ,, ., ., ., for them. we will look at another sto in for them. we will look at another story in the _ for them. we will look at another story in the sunday _ for them. we will look at another story in the sunday telegraph. i story in the sunday telegraph. starmer dinner was planned, about the beer and curry last year. take us away, joe twyman. the the beer and curry last year. take us away, joe twyman.— us away, joe twyman. the daily telegraph's _ us away, joe twyman. the daily telegraph's interpretation - us away, joe twyman. the daily telegraph's interpretation of. us away, joe twyman. the daily| telegraph's interpretation of the memo _ telegraph's interpretation of the memo was the starmer dinner was planned _ memo was the starmer dinner was planned it — memo was the starmer dinner was planned. it talks about a trip to durham — planned. it talks about a trip to durham and the timeline for that trip and — durham and the timeline for that trip and it— durham and the timeline for that trip and it finishes with a meal ordered — trip and it finishes with a meal ordered by a takeaway. keir starmer and his— ordered by a takeaway. keir starmer and his team will say that this was part of— and his team will say that this was part of a _ and his team will say that this was part of a work event and if you are travelling — part of a work event and if you are travelling up to durham, it's unlikely— travelling up to durham, it's unlikely you will be able to cook for yourself and so what better solution — for yourself and so what better solution than to bring in a takeaway of peopie _ solution than to bring in a takeaway of people are working? that will be the argument they make. others, of course, _ the argument they make. others, of course, will— the argument they make. others, of course, will suggest that this was a social— course, will suggest that this was a social event and not work—related. it social event and not work—related. it will _ social event and not work—related. it will of _ social event and not work—related. it will of course be for the police now to _ it will of course be for the police now to decide, since they have launched — now to decide, since they have launched an inquiry. diane abbott has come — launched an inquiry. diane abbott has come out and questioned whether this was— has come out and questioned whether this was correct behaviour. but it is fair— this was correct behaviour. but it is fair to— this was correct behaviour. but it is fair to say— this was correct behaviour. but it is fair to say diane abbott has not been _ is fair to say diane abbott has not been a _ is fair to say diane abbott has not been a huge supporter of keir starmer _ been a huge supporter of keir starmer. to been a huge supporter of keir starmer. ., _ ., , been a huge supporter of keir starmer-_ soi been a huge supporter of keir i starmer._ so it's starmer. to say the least! so it's not surprising — starmer. to say the least! so it's not surprising that _ starmer. to say the least! so it's not surprising that perhaps - starmer. to say the least! so it's not surprising that perhaps of. starmer. to say the least! so it's not surprising that perhaps of all| not surprising that perhaps of all the people she will be the first from _ the people she will be the first from the — the people she will be the first from the labour benches to come out with questions. but as i say, this could _ with questions. but as i say, this could potentially be extremely damaging for keir starmer, but that is only— damaging for keir starmer, but that is only in— damaging for keir starmer, but that is only in potential. around 10% of peopie _ is only in potential. around 10% of people thought that the government and senior— people thought that the government and senior conservative figures were playing _ and senior conservative figures were playing by— and senior conservative figures were playing by the rules when it came to covid _ playing by the rules when it came to covid but _ playing by the rules when it came to covid but only around a quarter of peopie _ covid but only around a quarter of people thought that senior labour peopie _ people thought that senior labour people were. so the expectation is that it _ people were. so the expectation is that it was — people were. so the expectation is that it was not one or the other, there _ that it was not one or the other, there was— that it was not one or the other, there was never the case that the labour— there was never the case that the labour party was seen as the paragons— labour party was seen as the paragons of virtue and the conservatives the opposite. so whether— conservatives the opposite. so whether this does have a lasting effect _ whether this does have a lasting effect on — whether this does have a lasting effect on public opinion remains to be seen _ effect on public opinion remains to be seen it— effect on public opinion remains to be seen. it has the potential to do so but _ be seen. it has the potential to do so but i _ be seen. it has the potential to do so but i imagine that it will probably fall along party lines in the end — probably fall along party lines in the end. . ~ probably fall along party lines in the end. ., ,, ., probably fall along party lines in theend. m , , . the end. talking about public oinion, the end. talking about public 0pinion. our— the end. talking about public opinion, our final _ the end. talking about public opinion, our final paper, - the end. talking about public opinion, our final paper, the | the end. talking about public - opinion, our final paper, the sunday opinion, ourfinal paper, the sunday mirror. frontpage, modern shake—up. william and his wife kate are to be addressed by name and not title in a shake—up of protocol. aren't titles part of the fun, lucy? shake-up of protocol. aren't titles part of the fun, lucy?— shake-up of protocol. aren't titles part of the fun, lucy? absolutely, i would be practising _ part of the fun, lucy? absolutely, i would be practising my— part of the fun, lucy? absolutely, i would be practising my curtsy - part of the fun, lucy? absolutely, i would be practising my curtsy all i would be practising my curtsy all the time if i was going to meet them as part of my experience. i think unfortunately they had such a difficult time when they were in the caribbean recently, with so much commentary around slavery, around reparations, around islands that wanted to be a republic, that they are clearly trying to think of ways of making themselves more relevant, less stuffy and what they think is a doubt we want to relate to them and have them as our best friend. but we don't, we do want to be able to kind of nod... i might want to, i'm pretty certainjoe of nod... i might want to, i'm pretty certain joe wouldn't. let's check a good _ pretty certain joe wouldn't. let's check a good move _ pretty certain joe wouldn't. let's check a good move public- pretty certain joe wouldn't. let's check a good move public opinion wise in 30 seconds? in check a good move public opinion wise in 30 seconds?— wise in 30 seconds? in public oinion, wise in 30 seconds? in public opinion. i— wise in 30 seconds? in public opinion, i think _ wise in 30 seconds? in public opinion, i think it _ wise in 30 seconds? in public opinion, i think it will- wise in 30 seconds? in public opinion, i think it will go - wise in 30 seconds? in public| opinion, i think it will go down badly— opinion, i think it will go down badly with older people and less well with young people are for the reason _ well with young people are for the reason is — well with young people are for the reason is that lucy beresford set out. reason is that lucy beresford set out i_ reason is that lucy beresford set out ithink— reason is that lucy beresford set out. i think if they want to the... this— out. i think if they want to the... this stuffiness, how about getting rid of _ this stuffiness, how about getting rid of the — this stuffiness, how about getting rid of the divine right to rule aspect? _ rid of the divine right to rule aspect? that is perhaps something that irks— aspect? that is perhaps something that irks some people. i met a member— that irks some people. i met a member of the royal family once and refused _ member of the royal family once and refused to— member of the royal family once and refused to bow but he was only two foot taii~ _ refused to bow but he was only two foot tall. joe refused to bow but he was only two foot tall. , ., , ., refused to bow but he was only two foot tall. , ., , . . refused to bow but he was only two foot tall. , ., , ., ., . , foot tall. joe twyman and lucy beresford, _ foot tall. joe twyman and lucy beresford, thank _ foot tall. joe twyman and lucy beresford, thank you - foot tall. joe twyman and lucy beresford, thank you for - foot tall. joe twyman and lucy beresford, thank you for yourl beresford, thank you for your thoughts on this particular version of the papers. they will both be back at about 11.30, that is it for now.