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this is bbc news, the headlines. the 6 times grand slam champion boris becker is sentenced to two and a half years in prison, after being found guilty of 4 charges related to his bankruptcy. the conservative mp, neil parrish, is suspended from the parliamentary party, accused of watching pornography, in the commons chamber. i will await the findings of the inquiry and then i will consider my position. i will not remain if i'm found guilty. an aid organisation says two british volunteers in ukraine, have been captured, by the russian military. a new hormone replacement therapy tsar is appointed as more than a million women are affected by supply issues. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are sam lister, who is the deputy political editor at the daily express, and the journalist and author, shyama perera. tomorrow's front pages, starting with... the telegraph says female tories demand neil parish is expelled after it was alleged he was watching pornography in the commons. the times now and tory mps urge neil parish to �*go now�* following the commons �*porn row�*. meanwhile, the i says that westminster employees are afraid to report abuse, alleging the complaints system is set up to �*protect parliament's reputation�*. the mirror, now who lead with boris becker who has been jailed for 2 and a half years following a bankruptcy scam. the sun simply says time! for the former wimbledon champion. the daily mail says that police are being told to investigate labour party lies, over alleged covid breaches in aprl 2021. the guardian also focus on boris becker and neil parish but also feature a picture of tory peer michelle mone who's home was raided as a ppe firm linked to her is investigated. the ft leads with calls for global bank hsbc to break up. so let's begin... the times. one of the things that it mentions there in the time says party fears sleaze will hurt in the local elections. i party fears sleaze will hurt in the local elections.— local elections. i mean, the timing of this. local elections. i mean, the timing of this- it's — local elections. i mean, the timing of this. it's terrible, _ local elections. i mean, the timing of this. it's terrible, it _ local elections. i mean, the timing of this. it's terrible, it could - local elections. i mean, the timing of this. it's terrible, it could be - of this. it's terrible, it could be worse for conservatives just a week after local elections they've had months of headlines about party gate. there'sjust months of headlines about party gate. there's just compounds months of headlines about party gate. there'sjust compounds it. i think we've seen tonight neil parish actually come out and speak to reporters outside his home, he said he will continue to work as an mp while the investigation is carried out without we are actually expecting to investigations, separate investigations with that there's an awful lot of pressure from within the party to go now. for the good of the party. obviously, even male tory mps are entitled to due process and some of his colleagues say look, we shouldn't be having a kneejerk response to this. we need to hear exactly what he's had to say, what the investigation brings back before a decision is made. that's the stance that neil parish is making tonight. obviously, the pressures can be very intense on them. ~ , , the pressures can be very intense on them. , , ~ ., ., the pressures can be very intense on them. absolutely. what are your thou . hts them. absolutely. what are your thoughts on _ them. absolutely. what are your thoughts on this _ them. absolutely. what are your thoughts on this in _ them. absolutely. what are your thoughts on this in terms - them. absolutely. what are your thoughts on this in terms of... i them. absolutely. what are your| thoughts on this in terms of... of course we know we are all awaiting the outcome of the inquiry but these allegations must add to the pressure. allegations must add to the pressure-— allegations must add to the ressure. ~ , , �*, ., pressure. absolutely. he's not den in: pressure. absolutely. he's not denying that — pressure. absolutely. he's not denying that he _ pressure. absolutely. he's not denying that he was _ pressure. absolutely. he's not denying that he was watching l pressure. absolutely. he's not i denying that he was watching it. well, _ denying that he was watching it. well, he — denying that he was watching it. well, he did say, when reporters askedif well, he did say, when reporters asked if it was something that he opened on his phone in era, that something he suggested. i suppose we can't say that we know definitely that we could say he definitely was watching. ihla that we could say he definitely was watchinu. ., , u, _ that we could say he definitely was watchin. ., , u, _ .,, watching. no but we can say he was receivin: watching. no but we can say he was receiving it — watching. no but we can say he was receiving it in _ watching. no but we can say he was receiving it in his _ watching. no but we can say he was receiving it in his normal— watching. no but we can say he was receiving it in his normal mail that l receiving it in his normal mail that comes_ receiving it in his normal mail that comes to — receiving it in his normal mail that comes to his phone. it's not asjunk mait _ comes to his phone. it's not asjunk mait eddie — comes to his phone. it's not asjunk mail. eddie did open it for whatever reason _ mail. eddie did open it for whatever reason and — mail. eddie did open it for whatever reason. and that it was inappropriate to be opening an enail— inappropriate to be opening an e—mail anyway inappropriate to be opening an e—mailanyway in inappropriate to be opening an e—mail anyway in the commons chamhen — e—mail anyway in the commons chamber. let alone male of this particular— chamber. let alone male of this particular type. we've all received the sort _ particular type. we've all received the sort of— particular type. we've all received the sort of mail, we note the button doesn't _ the sort of mail, we note the button doesn't say— the sort of mail, we note the button doesn't say important question for prime _ doesn't say important question for prime minister. there are lots of giveaways — prime minister. there are lots of giveaways. i think with the local elections — giveaways. i think with the local elections coming up, i'm not sure if there _ elections coming up, i'm not sure if there are _ elections coming up, i'm not sure if there are any— elections coming up, i'm not sure if there are any councils coming up in there are any councils coming up in the west— there are any councils coming up in the west country but i do think in the west country but i do think in the neighbouring constituency we had allegations that the mp there was snorting _ allegations that the mp there was snorting cocaine although he later said it _ snorting cocaine although he later said it was — snorting cocaine although he later said it was dandruff that he was photographed snorting. i think mr parrish— photographed snorting. i think mr parrish can say what he likes but the fact — parrish can say what he likes but the fact is, — parrish can say what he likes but the fact is, until we know the truth he should — the fact is, until we know the truth he should be suspended. because if he should be suspended. because if he were _ he should be suspended. because if he were a _ he should be suspended. because if he were a teacher in a school he would _ he were a teacher in a school he would not — he were a teacher in a school he would not be allowed back until we had got _ would not be allowed back until we had got to— would not be allowed back until we had got to the bottom of it. if you were _ had got to the bottom of it. if you were a _ had got to the bottom of it. if you were a bbc— had got to the bottom of it. if you were a bbc news reader he or she would _ were a bbc news reader he or she would not — were a bbc news reader he or she would not be allowed back until we have got _ would not be allowed back until we have got to the bottom of this it would _ have got to the bottom of this it would be standard practice. because if there _ would be standard practice. because if there was a problem and no one knows whether it was just accidental, as a sort of rehab problem _ accidental, as a sort of rehab problem. nobody's got any... i don't have any— problem. nobody's got any... i don't have any personal view of perf two people _ have any personal view of perf two people watching pornography, that's perfectly— people watching pornography, that's perfectly fine as far as i'm concerned. you do it in your own space _ concerned. you do it in your own space you — concerned. you do it in your own space you don't bring it to work. it's space you don't bring it to work. it's like — space you don't bring it to work. it's like bringing a bottle of whisky— it's like bringing a bottle of whisky or your betting slip so your heroine _ whisky or your betting slip so your heroine. ., whisky or your betting slip so your heroine. . , , , ., ., heroine. that brings us onto the next point _ heroine. that brings us onto the next point i _ heroine. that brings us onto the next point i want _ heroine. that brings us onto the next point i want to _ heroine. that brings us onto the next point i want to mention - heroine. that brings us onto the i next point i want to mention which is on the front page of the i which is on the front page of the i which is the culture at west minister. and what it's like is a place to work in. of course this is just the latest in what we've been hearing, allegations of other kinds as well which just raises the question of what is the atmosphere like there? sam, i want to ask you, what are your thoughts on what sort of a culture this reflex at west minister? i culture this reflex at west minister?— culture this reflex at west minister? ., ~ . , ~ , minister? i worked in west minister for a lona minister? i worked in west minister for a longtime _ minister? i worked in west minister for a long time and _ minister? i worked in west minister for a long time and i _ minister? i worked in west minister for a long time and i think - minister? i worked in west minister for a long time and i think from - for a long time and i think from the lurid headlines we've seen over the last few weeks you think there are terrible menjumping out doing also are terrible things at any given minute and it's not like that. like anywhere you do to get some people who behave badly and most get on with ourjobs. but obviously, west minister is an unusual culture because you do have a very blurred line between work and social life because the hours are very odd, they are very long, people were very late into the night, we have late votes. people hang around the bars because what else are they going to do at that time but i come at night. you do get mps and journalists mixing in that kind of way. it is a quite unusual culture, it's not a 9—to—5 culture, and our awful lunch, it is an unusual place to be. that said it is not the culture, it is the individuals, it is up to individuals to take personal responsibility for their actions. to take personal responsibility for theiractions. i to take personal responsibility for their actions. i think that's a very fair point to make.— their actions. i think that's a very fair point to make. schama, i want to ask you — fair point to make. schama, i want to ask you about _ fair point to make. schama, i want to ask you about this _ fair point to make. schama, i want to ask you about this the _ fair point to make. schama, i want to ask you about this the headline | to ask you about this the headline is itself is about victims being too scared to report mps. i was beginning earlier to an mp who said she wants to urge any victims to come forward soon rather than later. it's one thing to say, this is what we want victims to do but i suppose how easy is that to make that a feasible prospect? i how easy is that to make that a feasible prospect?— feasible prospect? i think it's completely — feasible prospect? i think it's completely unfeasible. - feasible prospect? i think it's completely unfeasible. i - feasible prospect? i think it's| completely unfeasible. i think feasible prospect? i think it's- completely unfeasible. i think most people _ completely unfeasible. i think most people who suffer deliberate harassment or any kind of bullying at work— harassment or any kind of bullying at work are — harassment or any kind of bullying at work are usually younger people. and they— at work are usually younger people. and they are on the ladder on the way up out — and they are on the ladder on the way up put up any kind of complaint is going— way up put up any kind of complaint is going to — way up put up any kind of complaint is going to draw the wrong kind of attention— is going to draw the wrong kind of attention to them. and it's very unlikely— attention to them. and it's very unlikely to _ attention to them. and it's very unlikely to be sympathy. i do think there _ unlikely to be sympathy. i do think there are _ unlikely to be sympathy. i do think there are cultures within organisations, i think you have an editor— organisations, i think you have an editor that— organisations, i think you have an editor that reads a newspaper, you have a _ editor that reads a newspaper, you have a prime minister who leads a cabinet, _ have a prime minister who leads a cabinet, you have a chief of police who leads — cabinet, you have a chief of police who leads the metropolitan police. if who leads the metropolitan police. if you _ who leads the metropolitan police. if you do not get the right messages from your chief, from your editor come _ from your chief, from your editor come up — from your chief, from your editor come up from your prime minister, basically— come up from your prime minister, basically people start doing whatever they live. basically people start doing whateverthey live. for basically people start doing whatever they live. for those people who want _ whatever they live. for those people who want to make and place it becomes— who want to make and place it becomes very difficult because then the toxicity is aimed more at them than at _ the toxicity is aimed more at them than at those that they are claiming to he _ than at those that they are claiming to be perpetrators was up i'm the mother— to be perpetrators was up i'm the mother of— to be perpetrators was up i'm the mother of daughters in their late 205 mother of daughters in their late 20s and — mother of daughters in their late 205 and one of them particularly i5 205 and one of them particularly is having _ 205 and one of them particularly is having an — 205 and one of them particularly is having an awful lot of 5exi5t 5tuff having an awful lot of 5exi5t stuff going _ having an awful lot of 5exi5t stuff going on — having an awful lot of 5exi5t stuff going on in the office which is working — going on in the office which is working against the women. it'5 working against the women. it's extremely difficult. she'5 explained to hr _ extremely difficult. she'5 explained to hr in _ extremely difficult. she'5 explained to hr in hr i5 extremely difficult. she'5 explained to hr in hr is a woman in there only three women it in the company and the hr_ three women it in the company and the hr woman is one. it is impossible really to report your superiors — impossible really to report your 5uperior5 because by dint of being your 5uperior5 they are in the ascendancy and you are down below. well, _ ascendancy and you are down below. well, we _ ascendancy and you are down below. well, we will certainly be discussing this story a lot more in the coming days. i'll move on to what's in the sun which is the big story that emerged today which after the court is the downfall of tennis legend, that's what the son says. the time! boris becker. so sam, that line is in the mirror as well, downfall of a legend. this is what it is, really. it sums up his fall from grace. it is, really. it sums up his fall from grace-— it is, really. it sums up his fall from grace. it is, really. it sums up his fall from race. �* . ., , ., ., from grace. and what a shame to have such a legend — from grace. and what a shame to have such a legend in _ from grace. and what a shame to have such a legend in tennis _ from grace. and what a shame to have such a legend in tennis world - from grace. and what a shame to have such a legend in tennis world end - from grace. and what a shame to have such a legend in tennis world end up i such a legend in tennis world end up in prison. it is quite remarkable, isn't it? quite tragic, really. but obviously, thejudge isn't it? quite tragic, really. but obviously, the judge was quite clear that he had shown no i think that probably did not help. he clearly has committed some crimes and serious ones at that. this two and serious ones at that. this two and a half year sentence that he now faces or has actually started tonight, it's quite significant. this is a man who was on something seriously wrong. about half of that unless he does something bad inside, he'll be released halfway through. who knows what's going through his head tonight? it’s who knows what's going through his head tonight?— head tonight? it's quite a change from his lovely _ head tonight? it's quite a change from his lovely gilded _ head tonight? it's quite a change from his lovely gilded life. - head tonight? it's quite a change from his lovely gilded life. also l from his lovely gilded life. also sh ma, from his lovely gilded life. also shyma. the _ from his lovely gilded life. also shyma, the images _ from his lovely gilded life. also shyma, the images that we remember or we've seen through him as a 17—year—old back then, how far from that have we come? i do 17-year-old back then, how far from that have we come?— 17-year-old back then, how far from that have we come? i do remember him as a 17-year-old _ that have we come? i do remember him as a 17-year-old. he _ that have we come? i do remember him as a 17-year-old. he was _ that have we come? i do remember him as a 17-year-old. he was the _ that have we come? i do remember him as a 17-year-old. he was the emma - a5 a 17—year—old. he was the emma raducanu _ a5 a 17—year—old. he was the emma raducanu of— a5 a 17—year—old. he was the emma raducanu of his day. he was an absolute — raducanu of his day. he was an absolute golden boy in every sense. in a absolute golden boy in every sense. in a strange — absolute golden boy in every sense. in a strange way i kind of feel he'5 -ot in a strange way i kind of feel he's got this— in a strange way i kind of feel he's got this fitting ending up to the stage _ got this fitting ending up to the stage of— got this fitting ending up to the stage of his life because he has alwaysm — stage of his life because he has always... 0, stage of his life because he has alwa s... ,., stage of his life because he has alwa s... , .,, stage of his life because he has alwa s... , ., �*, always... 0, some people say that's rather harsh- _ always... 0, some people say that's rather harsh. he's _ always... 0, some people say that's rather harsh. he's always _ always... 0, some people say that's rather harsh. he's always skated - always... 0, some people say that's rather harsh. he's always skated on| rather harsh. he's always skated on thin ice. rather harsh. he's always skated on thin ice- he's— rather harsh. he's always skated on thin ice. he's always _ rather harsh. he's always skated on thin ice. he's always kind _ rather harsh. he's always skated on thin ice. he's always kind of- rather harsh. he's always skated on thin ice. he's always kind of broken| thin ice. he's always kind of broken rules _ thin ice. he's always kind of broken rule5. everybody knows the story, all thought that he had conceived one of— all thought that he had conceived one of his — all thought that he had conceived one of his children in a broom cupboard _ one of his children in a broom cupboard with a waitress but it turns _ cupboard with a waitress but it turns out — cupboard with a waitress but it turns out it was on the stairs by his own — turns out it was on the stairs by his own admission. thi5 turns out it was on the stairs by his own admission. this is a man who huilds— his own admission. this is a man who builds legend — his own admission. this is a man who build5 legend around him almost casually— build5 legend around him almost casually without even noticing that he does _ casually without even noticing that he does. he'5 casually without even noticing that he does. he's been done before for not paying — he does. he's been done before for not paying taxes, he didn't learn. it'5 not paying taxes, he didn't learn. it's a _ not paying taxes, he didn't learn. it's a hit — not paying taxes, he didn't learn. it'5 a bit like his marriages, he 'u5t it'5 a bit like his marriages, he just when— it'5 a bit like his marriages, he just when did it again. he'll be fine _ just when did it again. he'll be fine he — just when did it again. he'll be fine. he will bounce back, he will come _ fine. he will bounce back, he will come out, — fine. he will bounce back, he will come out, he'll write a book, he'll be everybody's hero. we always forgive — be everybody's hero. we always forgive the rich for not paying towards — forgive the rich for not paying toward5 problem. we forgive the rich for not paying towards problem.— forgive the rich for not paying towards problem. we will have to wait and see _ towards problem. we will have to wait and see if— towards problem. we will have to wait and see if he _ towards problem. we will have to wait and see if he does _ towards problem. we will have to wait and see if he does bounce i towards problem. we will have to i wait and see if he does bounce back. allow to go before then put up onto the telegraph now which is the west fears putin will declare all out war on russia's v day, that's the 9th of may. we don't know where the intelligences from, it's just a speculation that this could be a big moment and a very alarming moment for those in ukraine. the moment and a very alarming moment for those in ukraine.— for those in ukraine. the main knife arade is for those in ukraine. the main knife parade is also _ for those in ukraine. the main knife parade is also a _ for those in ukraine. the main knife parade is also a huge _ for those in ukraine. the main knife parade is also a huge point - for those in ukraine. the main knife parade is also a huge point in - for those in ukraine. the main knife parade is also a huge point in the i parade is also a huge point in the rushing calendar. —— may nine. they fear putin may use that today. in fact is calling the invasion of ukraine a special operation, that's how he describes it. the theory is that by making the switch to declaring full—scale war he can then enlist conscripts, make them serve longer, close down borders have certain special measures for the economy. it would be a significant ramping up of his already horrifying action in ukraine. clearly the us is very concerned about this. can action in ukraine. clearly the us is very concerned about this.- very concerned about this. can we ossibl very concerned about this. can we possibly know _ very concerned about this. can we possibly know what's _ very concerned about this. can we possibly know what's going - very concerned about this. can we possibly know what's going on - very concerned about this. can we i possibly know what's going on inside putin said? itjust seems sometimes all bets are off. i putin said? itjust seems sometimes all bets are off.— all bets are off. i think that's the truth, actually. _ all bets are off. i think that's the truth, actually. all— all bets are off. i think that's the truth, actually. all we _ all bets are off. i think that's the truth, actually. all we can - all bets are off. i think that's the truth, actually. all we can say i truth, actually. all we can say about— truth, actually. all we can say about vladimir putin i5 truth, actually. all we can say about vladimir putin is he appears to tell— about vladimir putin is he appears to tell giant lie5 about vladimir putin is he appears to tell giant lies to his people. because — to tell giant lies to his people. because he doesn't tell any lie5 he said he _ because he doesn't tell any lie5 he said he was gonna go after ukraine, he did _ 5aid he was gonna go after ukraine, he did. he— said he was gonna go after ukraine, he did. , .. , said he was gonna go after ukraine, he did. , , ., , he did. he did because initially he said he's not _ he did. he did because initially he said he's not going _ he did. he did because initially he said he's not going to _ he did. he did because initially he said he's not going to invade - he did. he did because initially he said he's not going to invade and | said he's not going to invade and then a few days later he did. so he's not been fully transparent about his plans. late he's not been fully transparent about his plans.— he's not been fully transparent about his plans. we could see what he was doing- _ about his plans. we could see what he was doing- l _ about his plans. we could see what he was doing. i don't _ about his plans. we could see what he was doing. i don't think- about his plans. we could see what he was doing. i don't think anybody he was doing. idon't think anybody was dumb— he was doing. i don't think anybody wa5 dumb enough to think he was he was doing. i don't think anybody wa5 dumb enough to think he wa5ju5t doin- wa5 dumb enough to think he wa5ju5t doing that _ wa5 dumb enough to think he wa5ju5t doing that to frighten u5. 0r frighten _ doing that to frighten u5. 0r frighten the people of the ukraine. it frighten the people of the ukraine. it was _ frighten the people of the ukraine. it was quite obvious that he was moving — it was quite obvious that he was moving into the kill. the question was: _ moving into the kill. the question was, did — moving into the kill. the question was, did he — moving into the kill. the question was, did he think we were going to wa5, did he think we were going to put up _ wa5, did he think we were going to put upany— wa5, did he think we were going to put up any barrier to that? when we didn't— put up any barrier to that? when we didn't in— put up any barrier to that? when we didn't in he— put up any barrier to that? when we didn't in he went. now we are effectively fighting a proxy war. i imagine it — effectively fighting a proxy war. i imagine it will run for two or three years— imagine it will run for two or three years at— imagine it will run for two or three years at which point putin will be if not defeated, he will certainly have _ if not defeated, he will certainly have lost — if not defeated, he will certainly have lost so many men and so much collateral _ have lost so many men and so much collateral that heat will be in any position — collateral that heat will be in any position to take the rest of us on even _ position to take the rest of us on even if— position to take the rest of us on even if you — position to take the rest of us on even if you got ukraine at the end

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