replacement medication the i claims the government is considering ditching controversial new bills — in order to stop arguments within the tory party. the telegraph reports there's been a surge in cases of hepatitis in young children — caused by social distancing and lockdown. the mirror covers the story of the four people stabbed to death in bermondsey in south east london — calling it a "bloodbath". so, let's begin... thank you both very much forjoining us and taking time this evening. will start with the front page of the metro. elon musk paying $35 billion for twitter. he says he wants basically to bring in complete and utter free speech, wants basically to bring in complete and utterfree speech, take wants basically to bring in complete and utter free speech, take away moderation. is that realistic in this day and age? i’m moderation. is that realistic in this day and age?— moderation. is that realistic in this day and age? moderation. is that realistic in this da and ace? �* ., , ., this day and age? i'm not sure. that was mentioned _ this day and age? i'm not sure. that was mentioned today. _ this day and age? i'm not sure. that was mentioned today. but _ this day and age? i'm not sure. that was mentioned today. but before i this day and age? i'm not sure. that i was mentioned today. but before when he was saying he was going to buy twitter and of course it then took him a few days to muscle up 335 billion, he said democracy, free speech is the bedrock of democracy. and that's what he was violent. will be interested in which way does. he's very worried that twitter cancels people. the most famous being donald trump. eddy�*s wrote about people not being free to say what they really think. how with the world shouting at each other, i don't know. i imagine the company will be taken privately. he'll hire some very good people from silicon valley and you might change everything. i think people are very nervous about saying the wrong thing for the people all say we mustn't say the wrong thing and it holds people back. i think he says you've been free to say what you want is very important. we shall see how it does. how it's good thing that he can run just does. how it's good thing that he can runjust like does. how it's good thing that he can run just like the same time, i can runjust like the same time, i have can run just like the same time, i have no idea. but it should be interesting. have no idea. but it should be interesting-— have no idea. but it should be interestinu. . �* , , interesting. emma? it's interesting that this news _ interesting. emma? it's interesting that this news comes _ interesting. emma? it's interesting that this news comes out _ interesting. emma? it's interesting that this news comes out a - interesting. emma? it's interesting that this news comes out a day - interesting. emma? it's interesting| that this news comes out a day that piers_ that this news comes out a day that piers morgan launches his new show, of course~ _ piers morgan launches his new show, of course. ~ ., ., , ., piers morgan launches his new show, of course-_ not- piers morgan launches his new show, of course._ not heard | of course. what do show? not heard of course. what do show? not heard of that. of course. what do show? not heard of that- sorry? _ of course. what do show? not heard of that. sorry? exactly. _ of course. what do show? not heard of that. sorry? exactly. he— of that. sorry? exactly. he characterises it isjust another social— characterises it isjust another social media platform. twitter is used _ social media platform. twitter is used by— social media platform. twitter is used by millions. but it's powerful in the _ used by millions. but it's powerful in the way— used by millions. but it's powerful in the way that i don't think facebook and instagram are. this is really— facebook and instagram are. this is really powerful twitter is used for international leaders around the world _ international leaders around the world it — international leaders around the world. it really does have a special place. _ world. it really does have a special place. not — world. it really does have a special place, notjust among us media types — place, notjust among us media types i— place, notjust among us media types. i think it can be really interesting to see what direction elon musk it can take twitter. do ou elon musk it can take twitter. you think it's elon musk it can take twitter. drr you think it's important to be able to say what you think, to have complete and free speech on social media or do you think the fact that we have moderation keeps it in check and is a good thing? i am we have moderation keeps it in check and is a good thing?— and is a good thing? i am afraid it free speech _ and is a good thing? i am afraid it free speech means _ and is a good thing? i am afraid it free speech means anything - and is a good thing? i am afraid it free speech means anything it - and is a good thing? i am afraid it. free speech means anything it means that one _ free speech means anything it means that one is _ free speech means anything it means that one is free to say what one things — that one is free to say what one things. other people are free then to disagree. that is to be the definition— to disagree. that is to be the definition of free speech. eve, you are nodding- _ definition of free speech. eve, you are nodding- i— definition of free speech. eve, you are nodding. i actually— definition of free speech. eve, you are nodding. i actually do - definition of free speech. eve, you are nodding. i actually do believe. are nodding. i actually do believe that. in some instances is a very, very noisy few people thatjust make it too scary to enter into the workplace or into the discussion. and you think, i'm not having anything to do that, i don't want to be troll, i don't want to upset anybody. and so a lot of people voices should be heard, a lot of the middle—of—the—road people, a lot of people saying, i'm not sure about this. or what you think about that? are not being heard because it's the ones who are strident, not always right but make it very hard for certain people tojoin in. i think it will be quite interesting to see how it goes without on the record piers morgan actually is very good on television. although i'll probably get for saying it. let's move on quickly _ probably get for saying it. let's move on quickly to _ probably get for saying it. let's move on quickly to the - probably get for saying it. let's move on quickly to the daily telegraph front page. top headline, children's hepatitis outbreak linked child ren's hepatitis outbreak linked to children's hepatitis outbreak linked to lockdown. can you explain exactly what this article is saying? finger what this article is saying? over the last three _ what this article is saying? over the last three months _ what this article is saying? of the last three months there have been apparently as many as hepatitis outbreaks amongst children then there normally are any year. they say it's mi which doesn't sound a lot but hepatitis is a pretty serious thing. doctors are saying this is because many young children, particularly have not been opened to the normal things that kids getjust by going to play school, go to school, by going out, by doing all the things they couldn't do during the things they couldn't do during the pandemic. and because they haven't had the viruses, the everyday cold viruses and things that you learn automatically, your body learns to get over, when they meet hepatitis they go down like ninepins. they are saying this is an absolute result of lockdown. at the time we all felt we had to take part in lockdown. but it's interesting what other effects and what effects it's having on children. they are treating them well, it is working apparently quite well. this is what happens with young people. they are saying watch out for other outbreaks of things that might happen because children had been locked away, have not done the usual playing, messing around in dust and sand and all the rest of it that actually teaches your body to get rid of viruses and bugs. it your body to get rid of viruses and bus. ,., , your body to get rid of viruses and bus. , ., , �* ., , bugs. it sounds worrying. i'm really worried. i had _ bugs. it sounds worrying. i'm really worried. i had a _ bugs. it sounds worrying. i'm really worried. i had a lockdown _ bugs. it sounds worrying. i'm really worried. i had a lockdown baby. - bugs. it sounds worrying. i'm really worried. i had a lockdown baby. myj worried. i had a lockdown baby. my baby son _ worried. i had a lockdown baby. my baby son is — worried. i had a lockdown baby. my baby son is 21 months old. this kind of a news _ baby son is 21 months old. this kind of a news story is very alarming and all the mums whatsapp groups i'm in everybody's very anxious about this news _ everybody's very anxious about this news what — everybody's very anxious about this news. what common infections that they not— news. what common infections that they not been in exposed to? is already— they not been in exposed to? is already difficult enough that they haven't _ already difficult enough that they haven't been into the baby groups when _ haven't been into the baby groups when they— haven't been into the baby groups when they were very young. of course that is _ when they were very young. of course that is starting to open up now. i could _ that is starting to open up now. i could tell— that is starting to open up now. i could tell for a fact, when you had their— could tell for a fact, when you had their toddler and they're licking everything in the playground, they come _ everything in the playground, they come back— everything in the playground, they come back with every single bug going _ come back with every single bug going it's — come back with every single bug going. it's like a perpetual flute the entire — going. it's like a perpetual flute the entire time. of course these cases— the entire time. of course these cases of— the entire time. of course these cases of acute hepatitis are much more _ cases of acute hepatitis are much more worrying. i think 114 cases have _ more worrying. i think 114 cases have been— more worrying. i think 114 cases have been detected thus far, more in the last— have been detected thus far, more in the last three months than in the normal— the last three months than in the normal year. yes, let's hope they can build — normal year. yes, let's hope they can build up— normal year. yes, let's hope they can build up their immunity gradually as they start to be re—exposed to other little ones. another— re—exposed to other little ones. another rather worrying front page article to do with how this is the front page of theguardian. this is about the lack of hrt which is a hormone replacement therapy that many women in this country use during menopause. according to this article the health secretary is being urged to change the law to let pharmacists in england alter prescriptions during medical two medicine shortages. at the moment they can't do that and according to this article is exacerbating the problem. eve, this has been the last few days i've read about the lack of hrt. it is so important to those women who do take it, isn't it? well, it took long enough to discover how you could help hrt for that when i was going through it you just had to whistle and hope for the best. because i'm 105. just had to whistle and hope for the best. because i'm105. it really is important. i think women who discovered how well they feel with hrt but remember so many women now are working through the menopause, are working through the menopause, are encouraged to work through menopause, don't sometimes get sympathy when they're working through the menopause was taking these pills gives them a lifeline to feeling normal, better, healthier perhaps for a week or more each month. as we all know, if anybody�*s had a prescription, you cannot change them. so with the prescription was originally for a month or three months and you're now coming to the end of it and there is no chance of getting your doctor to put in another prescription, it seems only sensible for savid javid who is a very sensible man to say look, has the next three months now while we sort out the shortage. i do hope whoever is rushing around buying our drugs is a bit like that genius who got us all the covid vaccine and says, we need a lot of hrt, not tomorrow but now. anna, what do you — hrt, not tomorrow but now. anna, what do you think? _ hrt, not tomorrow but now. anna, what do you think? if— hrt, not tomorrow but now. anna, what do you think? if you _ hrt, not tomorrow but now. anna, what do you think? if you got - hrt, not tomorrow but now. anna, what do you think? if you got any l what do you think? if you got any idea why there's a shortage of hrt? is a shortage because of the past five years— is a shortage because of the past five years many many more prescriptions have been issued for hrt~ _ prescriptions have been issued for hrt~ it's _ prescriptions have been issued for hrt. it's been used for more than 'ust hrt. it's been used for more than just menopausal symptoms was up around _ just menopausal symptoms was up around i— just menopausal symptoms was up around 1 million women are taking hrt i_ around 1 million women are taking hrt i did — around 1 million women are taking hrt i did notice about 13 million women, — hrt i did notice about 13 million women, this is not an inconsiderable proportion— women, this is not an inconsiderable proportion of our population, around 13 million— proportion of our population, around 13 million women in the uk are of perimenopausal, just coming up to menopausal or menopausal age women at the _ menopausal or menopausal age women at the moment are so desperate they are driving _ at the moment are so desperate they are driving hundreds of miles, they are driving hundreds of miles, they are swapping sort of almost like an illegal— are swapping sort of almost like an illegal drug trade in hrt, women are absolutely desperate. the symptoms can he _ absolutely desperate. the symptoms can be really quite debilitating. only— can be really quite debilitating. only recently people who started finally _ only recently people who started finally talking about the menopause, so much _ finally talking about the menopause, so much shame and stigma and secrecy involved _ so much shame and stigma and secrecy involved in_ so much shame and stigma and secrecy involved in this sort of part of middle — involved in this sort of part of middle to— involved in this sort of part of middle to older age women's life. as eve says _ middle to older age women's life. as eve says is _ middle to older age women's life. as eve says is well, lots of them are working _ eve says is well, lots of them are working through her, working through hot flashes, physical, psychological ailments, _ hot flashes, physical, psychological ailments, aspects of menopause which have really— ailments, aspects of menopause which have really been difficult to manage. notjust depression and hot flashes— manage. notjust depression and hot flashes that people talk about but many _ flashes that people talk about but many other symptoms, sleeplessness, mood swings and all of that. i think it's something that should be talked about _ it's something that should be talked about i_ it's something that should be talked about. ijust despair over savid about. i just despair over savid javid _ about. ijust despair over savid javid talking about appointing an hrt czar — javid talking about appointing an hrt czar. why do we need another tsar, _ hrt czar. why do we need another tsar. like _ hrt czar. why do we need another tsar, like any sort out the shortage of medication?— tsar, like any sort out the shortage of medication? eve, you're nodding at that. i of medication? eve, you're nodding at that- term _ of medication? eve, you're nodding at that. l am. i— of medication? eve, you're nodding at that. i am. i do _ of medication? eve, you're nodding at that. i am. i do think _ of medication? eve, you're nodding at that. l am. | do think it— at that. i am. i do think it menopause was something that happened to men men might give up work when they hit it and never go back to work again. it's extraordinary difficult. itjust happens at the wrong time of your career. and we should be making it easierfor career. and we should be making it easier for that literally tomorrow i hope something comes up quickly after this, hope something comes up quickly afterthis, no hope something comes up quickly after this, no good doing it in two weeks, do it by wednesday. another sto on weeks, do it by wednesday. another story on the — weeks, do it by wednesday. another story on the front _ weeks, do it by wednesday. another story on the front page _ weeks, do it by wednesday. another story on the front page of— story on the front page of theguardian. this is about working from home. apparently the uk's top civil servant is privately warned borisjohnson against civil servant is privately warned boris johnson against forcing government workers borisjohnson against forcing government workers back to the office amid anger in white all over scare tactics. eve, do you think that people should be forced to get back into the office? is a good for them, is it betterfor whoever they working for? i’m them, is it better for whoever they working for?— working for? i'm going to make m self working for? i'm going to make myself really — working for? i'm going to make myself really unpopular. - working for? i'm going to make i myself really unpopular. number working for? i'm going to make - myself really unpopular. number one, i think working from home was brilliant, brilliant through the pandemic, it got us through, i got people to do some work, it got us out. i don't understand why civil servants think of them is a special group. most people are getting back to three days a week, thinking about doing four days a week in a few months' time in the busy in the autumn. most people are getting paid to work from the office. and i always do warned women that women are very good at working in a group, at working collaboratively, working at working collaboratively, working at something that they are all working for together. i think what you have everybody at home women won't be seen and that likeable women themselves, and i'm very keen as you can tell, jobs for women, they will fall off the tree. also working from home as a woman is a double wary because you're doing all the things you're supposed be doing at home and working. i don't understand why the civil servants who are being paid after all to do five days a week think they are a special case. maybe there are some special cases. but if they are being paid london waging an apparently recent mark went into offices which are supposed to be full of civil servants and they are empty. and they are very expensive leases. which you and i are paying out of our taxes up itjust seems strange that one group thinks they are better than the rest of the country. if you can work from home and it does work in your organisation, fine. but we know that dla doesn't work properly, many people are having trouble with some banks because they can't reach anybody. i think it was a great system, not saying it should go completely. when i worked in new york friday lunchtime in the summer it was cut off time. people work four and half days a week. in the office, in the summer and everybody started their weekend friday at lunchtime. and i thought new york was brilliant for doing that. so i'm not saying i think you need to be all the time. but i do wonder why civil servants think themselves special. i do think there are a lot of people rely on there are a lot of people rely on the service they give. and i think that unless it's a real impossibility for people, people should be in the office like we were in the olden days. you remember, two years ago. i in the olden days. you remember, two ears auo. ., in the olden days. you remember, two earsauo. ., , ., years ago. i thought jacob rees note was funn , years ago. i thought jacob rees note was funny, teasing _ years ago. i thought jacob rees note was funny, teasing he _ years ago. i thought jacob rees note was funny, teasing he sorry - years ago. i thought jacob rees note was funny, teasing he sorry i - years ago. i thought jacob rees note was funny, teasing he sorry i missed j was funny, teasing he sorry i missed you. was funny, teasing he sorry i missed you it _ was funny, teasing he sorry i missed you it was _ was funny, teasing he sorry i missed you it was a — was funny, teasing he sorry i missed you. it was a wind—up, basically. hes— you. it was a wind—up, basically. he's been— you. it was a wind—up, basically. he's been very keen to get civil servants— he's been very keen to get civil servants back to the office. i sort of agree — servants back to the office. i sort of agree with the lot of even said there _ of agree with the lot of even said there if— of agree with the lot of even said there. if there are valid reasons why they— there. if there are valid reasons why they want to continue working from _ why they want to continue working from home — why they want to continue working from home then fine, they need to put from home then fine, they need to out those — from home then fine, they need to put those to the whitehall bosses. they are _ put those to the whitehall bosses. they are paid pretty well, as eve says— they are paid pretty well, as eve says as _ they are paid pretty well, as eve says as well, they look at those offices — says as well, they look at those offices are _ says as well, they look at those offices are sitting empty of that are being useful to what are the reasons? — are being useful to what are the reasons? if they're still claiming that it's — reasons? if they're still claiming that it's to— reasons? if they're still claiming that it's to do with covid and i'm afraid _ that it's to do with covid and i'm afraid i'rn — that it's to do with covid and i'm afraid i'm not sympathetic at all. i am fed _ afraid i'm not sympathetic at all. i am fed up— afraid i'm not sympathetic at all. i am fed up to the back teeth of everything in this country being blamed — everything in this country being blamed on oh, it's covid, see? i was on the _ blamed on oh, it's covid, see? i was on the train — blamed on oh, it's covid, see? i was on the train delayed for hours it was to— on the train delayed for hours it was to do— on the train delayed for hours it was to do a _ on the train delayed for hours it was to do a covid. something to do a staff shortage is linked to covid. either— staff shortage is linked to covid. either we — staff shortage is linked to covid. either we do have a crisis with covid — either we do have a crisis with covid or— either we do have a crisis with covid or we _ either we do have a crisis with covid or we don't. but if the civil services — covid or we don't. but if the civil services are still claiming, i'm not sure _ services are still claiming, i'm not sure what— services are still claiming, i'm not sure what the claim is now the reason — sure what the claim is now the reason they want to keep working from _ reason they want to keep working from home, if it's to do with environmental reasons, great. so we have fewer— environmental reasons, great. so we have fewerjourneys, that's fine. tell us— have fewerjourneys, that's fine. tell us that. if it's to do what they— tell us that. if it's to do what they can _ tell us that. if it's to do what they can do theirjob from home perfectly well, fine. but i don't think— perfectly well, fine. but i don't think people should still be claiming that it has to do with the pandemic — claiming that it has to do with the andemic. �* , . claiming that it has to do with the andemic. �*, ., ., , _ pandemic. let's have transparency about this- — pandemic. let's have transparency about this. to _ pandemic. let's have transparency about this. to the _ pandemic. let's have transparency about this. to the i _ pandemic. let's have transparency about this. to the i front _ pandemic. let's have transparency about this. to the i front page. - about this. to the i front page. bonfires to pontificate angry tories. talk me through this. it looks according to this, according to analysis, 22 out of 33 bills in the green speech just a year ago are currently injeopardy the green speech just a year ago are currently in jeopardy according to what the analysis they've had here shows with what you make of that? exactly. i'm wondering if this has to do— exactly. i'm wondering if this has to do with — exactly. i'm wondering if this has to do with the fact that for