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for refusing to produce company documents in a civil investigation in new york. tonight with the context, live from paris, georgina wright from the think tank, institut montaigne... ..and republican strategist rina shah is in washington. welcome to the programme. the white house view of the war in ukraine has gone through a complete metamorphosis since russia invaded. the language has become bolder, the military aid has expanded, and now there's a far more optimistic assessment of ukraine's prospects after two months of fighting. in poland after a visit to kyiv, the us secretary of state, anthony blinken, told reporters that russia is clearly failing" in its war aims and that "ukraine is succeeding." amid mounting frustration... russia's hit five railway stations in central and western ukraine — five people killed and another 18 were injured. the russians are trying to degrade kyiv�*s military supply route, but with limited success. and there is more aid coming. alongside antony blinken in poland... the us defence secretary, lloyd austin, announced a further $750 million in aid. and suddenly the americans are shedding any inhibitions they might have had about supplying ukraine with the heavy weaponry it needs. the first step in winning is believing that you can win, and so, they believe that we can win, we believe that they can win, if they have the right equipment, the right support, and we are going to do everything we can and continue to do everything we can to ensure that that gets there. we want to see russia weakened to the degree that it can't do the kinds of things that it has done in invading ukraine, so... it has already lost a lot of military capability and a lot of its troops, quite frankly. and we want to see them not have the capability to very quickly reproduce that capability. we believe we can win, they believe they can win, a slip of the tongue maybe, but it will not go unnoticed in moscow. indeed today the russian ambassador to washington, sent a letter to the biden administration demanding it stops flooding ukraine with weapons. and that's because in the east of the country, in the donbas region, our defence correspondent jonathan beale is embedded in the trenches with the ukrainian toops — for now they are on the defensive, but the supply from the west of longer—range artillery would make all the difference. distant bangs. there is no peace from the constant barrage of artillery. it's becoming yet another russian war of attrition. they're trying to break ukrainian forces along a front line that stretches for 300 miles. here, they're still relying on mostly old soviet weaponry. they proudly show off their one british—supplied anti—tank missile, the nlaw. they've already used the other one to destroy a russian tank. we need that weapon for our freedom, for a win, for that war. we need that weapon. and when we have more that weapon, war is ending. do you have enough of them? that position? yeah. this position? no. ukrainian forces have been holding the line here since 2014 against russian—backed separatists. they're still holding the line, but this time against the russian army. and what has been sporadic fighting over the last eight years has now turned into a full blown war, and they are being pounded by russian artillery. this war is grinding down life in the donbas. joining is drjohn chipman — director—general and chief executive of the international institute for strategic studies. welcome to the programme, drjohn chipman. what do you make of what lloyd austin said today in public? i think it has been an extraordinary transition in sentiment and strategic determination. when this began 61 days or so ago, there was a huge amount of talk that the us had no nato article five treaty obligation to ukraine. legal aid was being provided, lots of intelligence and support and a phenomenal amount of economic sanctions imposed. then there was a determination to provide more defensive equipment, but a lot of effort made to distinguish between equipment that would be defensive and offensive, the fear was that they wanted to avoid any further military escalation, hence what was needed to defend. now we have entered a third phase with victory austin's clear statements today that the united states and its nato allies will now change the balance of power in ukraine's favour so that ukraine can win. that is very significant.— so that ukraine can win. that is very significant. who said on your twitter feed _ very significant. who said on your twitter feed the _ very significant. who said on your twitter feed the other _ very significant. who said on your twitter feed the other day - very significant. who said on your twitter feed the other day that i twitter feed the other day that sooner the later, the rest will have to decide to win this war that ukraine has been fighting on its behalf. as you say, it would appear that the american position and may be the uk position has evolved in a direction that ukraine can win, but is it ahead of where france and germany are at the moment? i think there is a growing _ germany are at the moment? i think there is a growing determination - there is a growing determination throughout all of the nato alliance, but clearly the strongest within the united kingdom and the united states. that nato reputation is now bound up in this. it might be we have no article five treaty obligation to ukraine, but the world's based order in europe, the whole of the security order in europe depends on putin being defeated here and that means ukraine need to win. 0nly defeated here and that means ukraine need to win. only a few days ago, president biden was speaking about the need to ensure russia's strategic failure, but saying that ukraine can and should win is that extra additional step that i think is strategically important and that will make it big difference to ukraine's morale and to their ability to deal with these very difficult situation is now in the east. �* , difficult situation is now in the east. �*, difficult situation is now in the east. ~ , ., east. lloyd austin said that he wants to ensure _ east. lloyd austin said that he wants to ensure that - east. lloyd austin said that he wants to ensure that russia i east. lloyd austin said that he - wants to ensure that russia cannot, doesn't have the means to invade its neighbours ever again. do you think strategically, military power in europe is starting to shift further east, no longer concentrated as it was during the cold war in france and germany? it is finland that is joining nato, ukraine that is being supplied with weapons, poland taking a lead. is it shifting? well, during the cold war and for some time afterwards,...— afterwards,... europe and the olitical afterwards,... europe and the political centre _ afterwards,... europe and the political centre of _ afterwards,... europe and the political centre of gravity - afterwards,... europe and the political centre of gravity was | afterwards,... europe and the i political centre of gravity was in germany at the end of the cold war near the german border, after the cold war in the immediate neighbourhood, but after a period of nato enlargement and now with this extraordinary attack, the illegal invasion by putin of ukraine, which remember is the biggest country in europe, the political sense of gravity, centre of gravity has moved eastwards and now the defence of western civilisation, as president of ukraine occasionally says, or at least western security values, are being defended by ukraine, so european countries now have i think an additional and strong obligation to see that as the front line of russia. extraordinary that victory austin added that second sentence to which you just referred, that another objective of rebalancing ukrainian aggression balance of power to ensure that russia is diminished militarily to the degree that they could not launch another attack on anyone and their neighbours, so that will really change the strategic balance of power in europe if russia cannot use conventional arms effectively to attack any of its neighbours and if thatis attack any of its neighbours and if that is now the official us objective as well.- that is now the official us objective as well. that is now the official us ob'ective as well. . , . ., , objective as well. there was clearly nervousness _ objective as well. there was clearly nervousness in _ objective as well. there was clearly nervousness in america _ objective as well. there was clearly nervousness in america about - nervousness in america about americans getting involved in was a long way away, rina shah. there is a risk that american floods in ukraine with nato state—of—the—art weaponry and this becomes a proxy war between the united states and russia. does that concern you? it the united states and russia. does that concern you?— that concern you? it is certainly a worry for many — that concern you? it is certainly a worry for many in _ that concern you? it is certainly a worry for many in washington - that concern you? it is certainly a | worry for many in washington and that concern you? it is certainly a - worry for many in washington and has been for— worry for many in washington and has been for quite — worry for many in washington and has been for quite some _ worry for many in washington and has been for quite some time, _ worry for many in washington and has been for quite some time, but- worry for many in washington and has been for quite some time, but i- been for quite some time, but i think_ been for quite some time, but i think the — been for quite some time, but i think the real— been for quite some time, but i think the real question - been for quite some time, but i think the real question for- been for quite some time, but i| think the real question for many been for quite some time, but i. think the real question for many of us inside _ think the real question for many of us inside the — think the real question for many of us inside the beltway— think the real question for many of us inside the beltway for— think the real question for many of us inside the beltway for the - think the real question for many of us inside the beltway for the pastl us inside the beltway for the past few weeks— us inside the beltway for the past few weeks has— us inside the beltway for the past few weeks has been _ us inside the beltway for the past few weeks has been what - us inside the beltway for the past few weeks has been what does i us inside the beltway for the past - few weeks has been what does victory look like? _ few weeks has been what does victory look like? not— few weeks has been what does victory look like? not how— few weeks has been what does victory look like? not how does _ few weeks has been what does victory look like? not how does victory- look like? not how does victory happen? — look like? not how does victory happen? because _ look like? not how does victory happen? because when - look like? not how does victory happen? because when we - look like? not how does victoryi happen? because when we think look like? not how does victory- happen? because when we think back to really— happen? because when we think back to really how— happen? because when we think back to really how we — happen? because when we think back to really how we got _ happen? because when we think back to really how we got to _ happen? because when we think back to really how we got to where - happen? because when we think back to really how we got to where we - happen? because when we think back to really how we got to where we are i to really how we got to where we are today, _ to really how we got to where we are today, there — to really how we got to where we are today. there have _ to really how we got to where we are today, there have been— to really how we got to where we are today, there have been so— to really how we got to where we are today, there have been so many- today, there have been so many missteps — today, there have been so many missteps by _ today, there have been so many missteps by the _ today, there have been so many missteps by the biden _ missteps by the biden administration. - missteps by the biden administration. it- missteps by the biden administration. it is. missteps by the bidenl administration. it is all missteps by the biden - administration. it is all water under— administration. it is all water under the _ administration. it is all water under the bridge _ administration. it is all water under the bridge at- administration. it is all water under the bridge at this - administration. it is all water| under the bridge at this point because _ under the bridge at this point because there _ under the bridge at this point because there has _ under the bridge at this point because there has just - under the bridge at this point because there hasjust been. under the bridge at this point - because there hasjust 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administration is actually kind of lucked - signals of the administration is actually kind of lucked out i signals of the administration is actually kind of lucked out in i signals of the administration is. actually kind of lucked out in the ever evolving _ actually kind of lucked out in the ever evolving situation, - actually kind of lucked out in the ever evolving situation, so - actually kind of lucked out in the ever evolving situation, so whenj actually kind of lucked out in thel ever evolving situation, so when i say this— ever evolving situation, so when i say this is— ever evolving situation, so when i say this is what _ ever evolving situation, so when i say this is what is _ ever evolving situation, so when i say this is what is most _ ever evolving situation, so when ll say this is what is most important, is that— say this is what is most important, is that it _ say this is what is most important, is that it has — say this is what is most important, is that it has been _ say this is what is most important, is that it has been dubbed - say this is what is most important, is that it has been dubbed a - is that it has been dubbed a genocide _ is that it has been dubbed a genocide by— is that it has been dubbed a genocide by our— is that it has been dubbed a genocide by our american . is that it has been dubbed a - genocide by our american president, saving _ genocide by our american president, saying that _ genocide by our american president, saying that this — genocide by our american president, saying that this is _ genocide by our american president, saying that this is a _ genocide by our american president, saying that this is a genocide - genocide by our american president, saying that this is a genocide of i saying that this is a genocide of the ukrainian— saying that this is a genocide of the ukrainian people, _ saying that this is a genocide of the ukrainian people, and - saying that this is a genocide of the ukrainian people, and thatl the ukrainian people, and that matters — the ukrainian people, and that matters but— the ukrainian people, and that matters. but again _ the ukrainian people, and that matters. but again let's - the ukrainian people, and that matters. but again let's get i the ukrainian people, and that matters. but again let's get toj the ukrainian people, and that i matters. but again let's get to the heart _ matters. but again let's get to the heart of— matters. but again let's get to the heart of that — matters. but again let's get to the heart of that question _ matters. but again let's get to the heart of that question i _ matters. but again let's get to the heart of that question ijust - matters. but again let's get to the | heart of that question ijust asked, which _ heart of that question ijust asked, which is _ heart of that question ijust asked, which is what — heart of that question ijust asked, which is what does... _ heart of that question ijust asked, which is what does... victory- heart of that question ijust asked, which is what does... victory lookl which is what does... victory look like? _ which is what does... victory look like? three — which is what does... victory look like? three things _ which is what does... victory look like? three things for— which is what does... victory look like? three things for the - which is what does... victory look like? three things for the many. like? three things for the many people. — like? three things for the many people, internalise _ like? three things for the many people, internalise the - like? three things for the many people, internalise the lie i like? three things for the many people, internalise the lie thatl people, internalise the lie that they are — people, internalise the lie that they are russian _ people, internalise the lie that they are russian people - people, internalise the lie that they are russian people or- they are russian people or essentially— they are russian people or essentially die. _ they are russian people or essentially die. and - they are russian people or essentially die. and then l they are russian people or. essentially die. and then look they are russian people or- essentially die. and then look at realty— essentially die. and then look at really how— essentially die. and then look at really how you _ essentially die. and then look at really how you see, _ essentially die. and then look at really how you see, can - essentially die. and then look at really how you see, can you i essentially die. and then look at really how you see, can you see | really how you see, can you see putin _ really how you see, can you see putin move _ really how you see, can you see putin move away _ really how you see, can you see putin move away from - really how you see, can you see putin move away from all - really how you see, can you see putin move away from all this? i really how you see, can you see i putin move away from all this? he wants— putin move away from all this? he wants to _ putin move away from all this? he wants to see — putin move away from all this? he wants to see people _ putin move away from all this? he wants to see people flee _ putin move away from all this? he wants to see people flee these i wants to see people flee these occupied — wants to see people flee these occupied areas, _ wants to see people flee these occupied areas, so _ wants to see people flee these occupied areas, so it— wants to see people flee these occupied areas, so it is- wants to see people flee these occupied areas, so it is all- wants to see people flee these i occupied areas, so it is all about the annexation _ occupied areas, so it is all about the annexation of _ occupied areas, so it is all about the annexation of land, - occupied areas, so it is all about the annexation of land, i - occupied areas, so it is all about the annexation of land, i think. occupied areas, so it is all about| the annexation of land, i think at the annexation of land, i think at the end — the annexation of land, i think at the end of— the annexation of land, i think at the end of the _ the annexation of land, i think at the end of the day— the annexation of land, i think at the end of the day at _ the annexation of land, i think at the end of the day at this - the annexation of land, i think at. the end of the day at this moment the annexation of land, i think at i the end of the day at this moment in time for— the end of the day at this moment in time for putin — the end of the day at this moment in time for putin and _ the end of the day at this moment in time for putin and so— time for putin and so washingtonians, i time for putin and so washingtonians, wel time for putin and so. washingtonians, we are time for putin and so- washingtonians, we are just time for putin and so— washingtonians, we are just going to sit here _ washingtonians, we are just going to sit here and — washingtonians, we are just going to sit here and hope _ washingtonians, we are just going to sit here and hope that _ washingtonians, we are just going to sit here and hope that the _ sit here and hope that the administration _ sit here and hope that the administration continues i sit here and hope that the i administration continues to sit here and hope that the - administration continues to lock out because _ administration continues to lock out because i_ administration continues to lock out because i don't— administration continues to lock out because i don't think _ administration continues to lock out because i don't think strategy - administration continues to lock out because i don't think strategy is i because i don't think strategy is what _ because i don't think strategy is what has — because i don't think strategy is what has got _ because i don't think strategy is what has got us _ because i don't think strategy is what has got us to _ because i don't think strategy is what has got us to where - because i don't think strategy is what has got us to where we i because i don't think strategy is| what has got us to where we are today, _ what has got us to where we are today, it — what has got us to where we are today, it is — what has got us to where we are today, it is really— what has got us to where we are today, it is really luck. - what has got us to where we are today, it is really luck. georgina, the french _ today, it is really luck. georgina, the french election _ today, it is really luck. georgina, the french election is _ today, it is really luck. georgina, the french election is now- today, it is really luck. georgina, | the french election is now behind us. does president macron start to drive things in europe? because they are a little behind the curve and certainly germany, as... braids are a little behind the curve and certainly germany, as... was 'ust sa inc. i certainly germany, as... was 'ust saying. ithink�* certainly germany, as... was 'ust saying. i think dr i certainly germany, as... was 'ust saying. i think drjohn i certainly germany, as... wasjust saying. i think drjohn chipman i certainly germany, as... wasjust saying. i think drjohn chipman isj saying. i think drjohn chipman is absolutely— saying. i think drjohn chipman is absolutely right, that seems to be a learning _ absolutely right, that seems to be a learning curve in washington, but there _ learning curve in washington, but there has— learning curve in washington, but there has been a learning curve in europe _ there has been a learning curve in europe as — there has been a learning curve in europe as well, we have the baltic states— europe as well, we have the baltic states saying, we know how to deal with russia, we know what we need to do to put _ with russia, we know what we need to do to put pressure on russia and we also know— do to put pressure on russia and we also know what ukraine needs, so listen _ also know what ukraine needs, so listen to— also know what ukraine needs, so listen to us — also know what ukraine needs, so listen to us. i think there is a sense — listen to us. i think there is a sense in— listen to us. i think there is a sense in paris and berlin that they were _ sense in paris and berlin that they were slow— sense in paris and berlin that they were slow to realise that this threat — were slow to realise that this threat was imminent, that the threat of russian _ threat was imminent, that the threat of russian invasion was actually going _ of russian invasion was actually going to — of russian invasion was actually going to happen and now they are thinking, — going to happen and now they are thinking, 0k, we have done sanctions, but what one can we do more? _ sanctions, but what one can we do more? now— sanctions, but what one can we do more? now that we know there's going to be a _ more? now that we know there's going to be a french president there for five years. — to be a french president there for five years, we can expect france to be much _ five years, we can expect france to be much more with nato and talking more _ be much more with nato and talking more about— be much more with nato and talking more about improving their defence. , it _ more about improving their defence. , it is _ more about improving their defence. , it is good — more about improving their defence. , it is good to have your new programme and thank you. the world's richest man, elon musk, has just taken control of the world's biggest megaphone. to go with his electric cars, his rockets, his satellites, he now has control of twitter. in the last hour twitter announced it had accepted $41; billion bid from the tech billionaire that would see him take a 100% stake in the company. so the question now is what he will do with it? he has spoken a lot about free speech. in fact, in a statement on the announcement he said... joining me now from san francisco is james clayton. huge deal, this. i know the board did not want to elon musk, but the shareholder so i certainly did. that is exactly right. — shareholder so i certainly did. that is exactly right, and _ shareholder so i certainly did. that is exactly right, and i _ shareholder so i certainly did. t'isgt is exactly right, and i think what has happened here is the board has been pressurised by those shareholders because they thought it was a pretty good deal. last week, the board definitely did not want elon musk to buy the company, so something has changed since then. elon musk must have put financing together on friday and up until then i think twitter were trying to work out whether this was actually a deal that was serious and when elon musk said, look, this is how i'm going to pay for it, i'm going to put my tesla shares up front, i'm going to stump up a load of this cash, borrow money from banks, when he put that together i think twitter�*s board started to take him a lot more seriously. they were in discussions this weekend and now it is clear that elon musk is going to take the company private. that is really important because he could do anything he wants to twitter right now. he is twitter�*s king. and if he wants to invite donald trump back onto the platform, he can. if he wants to ban anyone from the platform, he could if he wanted to. yes. but why does he want the headache? because we have seen with mark zuckerberg, all of the discussions, notjust in america, but here in europe and the uk, about misinformation, what algorithms do. why does he need all that? i misinformation, what algorithms do. why does he need all that?— why does he need all that? i think that is really _ why does he need all that? i think that is really interesting _ why does he need all that? i think that is really interesting and i that is really interesting and microsoft looking to buy tiktok a year and a half ago and they concluded it would just be too much of a headache to do it because moderation has become such a toxic issue and if you look at how much criticism facebook has had for disinformation, hate speech, etc and you think, why would anyone want to inherit those problems? elon musk must think these decisions are really easy, it is just like, must think these decisions are really easy, it isjust like, i must think these decisions are really easy, it is just like, i will wave my magic wand and create free speech, when in practice it is really, really tricky. if you think about libel and things like hate speech, donald trump saying over and over again that the election had been stolen when it hadn't been, what do you do in those kinds of situations? do you just allow the platform to be overtaken by disinformation? so elon musk isjust getting himself a huge headache. he runs tesla, spacex, the boring company, others as well and now he has this incredibly difficult plaything that he is somehow going to have to sort out, so i will be very interested to see what happens to tesla shares now because i cannot see how one person can run so many companies and that's not have a detrimental effect on some of those companies. detrimental effect on some of those com anies. , ., , ., ., detrimental effect on some of those comanies. , ., , ., . ~ detrimental effect on some of those comanies. , ., , ., ., ,, companies. james clayton, thank you ve much indeed for that. rina shah, how comfortable will congress be that another billionaire has taken over one of the biggest platforms around? well, christian, i regret to inform you that — well, christian, i regret to inform you that congress _ well, christian, i regret to inform you that congress is _ well, christian, i regret to inform you that congress is actually i well, christian, i regret to informl you that congress is actually quite enamoured — you that congress is actually quite enamoured by— you that congress is actually quite enamoured by american _ you that congress is actually quite i enamoured by american billionaires or any— enamoured by american billionaires or any billionaire, _ enamoured by american billionaires or any billionaire, for— enamoured by american billionaires or any billionaire, for that— or any billionaire, for that example. _ or any billionaire, for that e> the right is making it out to be. i don't _ the right is making it out to be. i don't think— the right is making it out to be. i don't think it _ the right is making it out to be. i don't think it is _ the right is making it out to be. i don't think it is a _ the right is making it out to be. i don't think it is a gotcha - the right is making it out to be. ii don't think it is a gotcha moment. the right is making it out to be. i. don't think it is a gotcha moment. i think— don't think it is a gotcha moment. i think we _ don't think it is a gotcha moment. i think we ought— don't think it is a gotcha moment. i think we ought to _ don't think it is a gotcha moment. i think we ought to just _ don't think it is a gotcha moment. i think we ought to just stand - don't think it is a gotcha moment. i think we ought to just stand by i don't think it is a gotcha moment. i think we ought to just stand by and j think we ought to just stand by and see what— think we ought to just stand by and see what this — think we ought to just stand by and see what this guy— think we ought to just stand by and see what this guy wants _ think we ought to just stand by and see what this guy wants to - think we ought to just stand by and see what this guy wants to do. it i think we ought to just stand by and see what this guy wants to do. it isj see what this guy wants to do. it is a bucketload — see what this guy wants to do. it is a bucketload of— see what this guy wants to do. it is a bucketload of money, _ see what this guy wants to do. it is a bucketload of money, no- see what this guy wants to do. it isi a bucketload of money, no doubt... it is a bucketload of money, no doubt... it is not _ a bucketload of money, no doubt... it is not a _ a bucketload of money, no doubt... it is not a massive _ a bucketload of money, no doubt... it is not a massive moment, - a bucketload of money, no doubt... it is not a massive moment, but i a bucketload of money, no doubt... it is not a massive moment, but it. it is not a massive moment, but it is a moment that could have big ramifications for social media generally, but also for the 2101; elections because although donald trump is said tonight i'm going to stick with my own brand, truth social, let's face it, he's not doing particularly well with truth social consult, so how long will it be before he's back on twitter telling us is a resort?- be before he's back on twitter telling us is a resort? yes, he elon musk is not— telling us is a resort? yes, he elon musk is not necessarily _ telling us is a resort? yes, he elon musk is not necessarily committed j telling us is a resort? yes, he elon i musk is not necessarily committed to rooting _ musk is not necessarily committed to rooting out— musk is not necessarily committed to rooting out all— musk is not necessarily committed to rooting out all the _ musk is not necessarily committed to rooting out all the bad _ musk is not necessarily committed to rooting out all the bad things - musk is not necessarily committed to rooting out all the bad things that i rooting out all the bad things that happen— rooting out all the bad things that happen on— rooting out all the bad things that happen on social— rooting out all the bad things that happen on social media _ rooting out all the bad things that happen on social media because i rooting out all the bad things that i happen on social media because the problems— happen on social media because the problems of— happen on social media because the problems of disinformation - happen on social media because the problems of disinformation and i happen on social media because the problems of disinformation and all. problems of disinformation and all of these _ problems of disinformation and all of these complex _ problems of disinformation and all of these complex elements. - problems of disinformation and all of these complex elements. it - problems of disinformation and all of these complex elements. it is. of these complex elements. it is very complex, _ of these complex elements. it is very complex. as_ of these complex elements. it is very complex, as we _ of these complex elements. it is very complex, as we just - of these complex elements. it is very complex, as we just heard, | of these complex elements. it is- very complex, as we just heard, and he is _ very complex, as we just heard, and he is not _ very complex, as we just heard, and he is not necessarily— very complex, as we just heard, and he is not necessarily up— very complex, as we just heard, and he is not necessarily up to _ very complex, as we just heard, and he is not necessarily up to it. - very complex, as we just heard, and he is not necessarily up to it. i- he is not necessarily up to it. i don't — he is not necessarily up to it. i don't think_ he is not necessarily up to it. i don't think he _ he is not necessarily up to it. i don't think he reinstates - he is not necessarily up to it. i. don't think he reinstates trump. i don't _ don't think he reinstates trump. i don't necessarily, _ don't think he reinstates trump. i don't necessarily, i— don't think he reinstates trump. i don't necessarily, i could - don't think he reinstates trump. i don't necessarily, i could be - don't think he reinstates trump. i . don't necessarily, i could be wrong, wem _ don't necessarily, i could be wrong, we... . , ~' , don't necessarily, i could be wrong, we... . , ~ , ., we... really, keep them on twitter? that is a very — we. .. really, keep them on twitter? that is a very real— we... really, keep them on twitter? that is a very real possibility, - that is a very real possibility, that— that is a very real possibility, that he — that is a very real possibility, that he leaves— that is a very real possibility, that he leaves things - that is a very real possibility, that he leaves things as - that is a very real possibility, that he leaves things as they| that is a very real possibility, i that he leaves things as they are and that— that he leaves things as they are and that this _ that he leaves things as they are and that this is _ that he leaves things as they are and that this is literally- that he leaves things as they are and that this is literallyjust - that he leaves things as they are and that this is literallyjust a . and that this is literallyjust a humanity— and that this is literallyjust a humanity project— and that this is literallyjust a humanity project because - and that this is literallyjust a humanity project because he| humanity project because he revolutionised _ humanity project because he revolutionised the _ humanity project because he revolutionised the electric i humanity project because he - revolutionised the electric vehicle industry~ — revolutionised the electric vehicle industry. why— revolutionised the electric vehicle industry. why would _ revolutionised the electric vehicle industry. why would you - revolutionised the electric vehicle industry. why would you just - revolutionised the electric vehicle| industry. why would you just want revolutionised the electric vehicle i industry. why would you just want to say he _ industry. why would you just want to say he has _ industry. why would you just want to say he has his— industry. why would you just want to say he has his thumbprint_ industry. why would you just want to say he has his thumbprint on- industry. why would you just want to say he has his thumbprint on this, i say he has his thumbprint on this, the worlds— say he has his thumbprint on this, the world's biggest _ say he has his thumbprint on this, the world's biggest megaphone, l say he has his thumbprint on this, the world's biggest megaphone, a soapbox— the world's biggest megaphone, a soapbox for— the world's biggest megaphone, a soapbox for which— the world's biggest megaphone, a soapbox for which any— the world's biggest megaphone, a soapbox for which any of- the world's biggest megaphone, a soapbox for which any of us - soapbox for which any of us politicos _ soapbox for which any of us politicos and _ soapbox for which any of us politicos and journalists - soapbox for which any of us politicos and journalists go| soapbox for which any of us l politicos and journalists go to soapbox for which any of us - politicos and journalists go to get our most — politicos and journalists go to get our most breaking _ politicos and journalists go to get our most breaking news - politicos and journalists go to get our most breaking news and - our most breaking news and communicate? _ our most breaking news and communicate? i— our most breaking news and communicate? i think- our most breaking news and communicate? i think he . our most breaking news andl communicate? i think he just our most breaking news and - communicate? i think he just wants to have _ communicate? i think he just wants to have his— communicate? i think he just wants to have his fun _ communicate? i think he just wants to have his fun print— communicate? i think he just wants to have his fun print on— communicate? i think he just wants to have his fun print on it. - communicate? i think he just wants to have his fun print on it. my- to have his fun print on it. my sense — to have his fun print on it. my sense is— to have his fun print on it. my sense is this _ to have his fun print on it. my sense is this is _ to have his fun print on it. my sense is this is about - to have his fun print on it. my sense is this is about ego, . sense is this is about ego, christiah _ sense is this is about ego, christian. i— sense is this is about ego, christian. i don't - sense is this is about ego, christian. i don't really- sense is this is about ego, . christian. i don't really know sense is this is about ego, - christian. i don't really know that it is christian. idon't really know that it is any— christian. i don't really know that it is any more _ christian. idon't really know that it is any more. get— christian. i don't really know that it is any more-— it is any more. get away! it is about ego. — it is any more. get away! it is about ego, georgina. - it is any more. get away! it is about ego, georgina. let - it is any more. get away! it is about ego, georgina. let me| it is any more. get away! it is . about ego, georgina. let me put it is any more. get away! it is - about ego, georgina. let me put the same question i put two rina shah to you, georgina wright, how will a billionaire feel about having one the biggest social media platforms? and ijust say, this is what i love about— and ijust say, this is what i love about this — and ijust say, this is what i love about this show, the contrast between _ about this show, the contrast between how things are viewed in the us and _ between how things are viewed in the us and how— between how things are viewed in the us and how they are viewed in europe and over— us and how they are viewed in europe and over here it does not feel like this is— and over here it does not feel like this is an — and over here it does not feel like this is an elon musk world we're living _ this is an elon musk world we're living in. — this is an elon musk world we're living in. it— this is an elon musk world we're living in, it was very much like elon— living in, it was very much like eton musk— living in, it was very much like elon musk might try to impose his own world — elon musk might try to impose his own world view and there is a sense in the _ own world view and there is a sense in the eu _ own world view and there is a sense in the eu that they are already ongoing — in the eu that they are already ongoing negotiations about how we can tackle — ongoing negotiations about how we can tackle this information, not to constrain— can tackle this information, not to constrain what is on there, but to make _ constrain what is on there, but to make sure — constrain what is on there, but to make sure there is not any of this hate _ make sure there is not any of this hate speech and there's this big piece _ hate speech and there's this big piece of— hate speech and there's this big piece of legislation called the digital— piece of legislation called the digital services act, which is iikeiy— digital services act, which is likely be _ digital services act, which is likely be taken on, that will have a bil likely be taken on, that will have a big impact— likely be taken on, that will have a big impact on what can appear on twitter— big impact on what can appear on twitter and what elon musk can do, and i_ twitter and what elon musk can do, and i agree — twitter and what elon musk can do, and i agree with what rina shah, in that we _ and i agree with what rina shah, in that we don't know what elon musk is going _ that we don't know what elon musk is going to _ that we don't know what elon musk is going to do. — that we don't know what elon musk is going to do, so we willjust have to wait and _ going to do, so we willjust have to wait and see. going to do, so we will 'ust have to wait and _ going to do, so we will 'ust have to wait and see. yes, the problem is if we don't like _ wait and see. yes, the problem is if we don't like what _ wait and see. yes, the problem is if we don't like what elon _ wait and see. yes, the problem is if we don't like what elon musk - wait and see. yes, the problem is if we don't like what elon musk doesl wait and see. yes, the problem is if. we don't like what elon musk does to twitter, we can'tjust switch to another platform because there are not many that does what twitter do. he says that free speech is elitist. the problem with free speech is there's a difference between free speech and the problem with this information and that is what james is getting at. with monitoring a site like that, giving people an insight into the algorithms and how they work, there are all sorts of headaches and other regular it is going to come after himyes, and i think there is also a sense that actually, and this is what president macron has been pushing. {line actually, and this is what president macron has been pushing.- actually, and this is what president macron has been pushing. one of the thins he macron has been pushing. one of the things he did — macron has been pushing. one of the things he did push _ macron has been pushing. one of the things he did push labour _ macron has been pushing. one of the things he did push labour for - macron has been pushing. one of the things he did push labour for him - things he did push labour for him his campaign was that we need to educate _ his campaign was that we need to educate people on how these things work, _ educate people on how these things work. so _ educate people on how these things work. so it— educate people on how these things work, so it is notjust a sense of this platform, it's also about people — this platform, it's also about people understanding how to use these _ people understanding how to use these things and what are the implications and why is the information written in a certain way? _ information written in a certain way? that— information written in a certain way? that is going to be really important _ way? that is going to be really important as well because regardless of what _ important as well because regardless of what is _ important as well because regardless of what is on these digital platforms because they will evolve and every — platforms because they will evolve and every time you go on to replace facebook— and every time you go on to replace facebook there are new features and a new _ facebook there are new features and a new look — facebook there are new features and a new look i— facebook there are new features and a new look. ithink facebook there are new features and a new look. i think people facebook there are new features and a new look. ithink people need facebook there are new features and a new look. i think people need to understand — a new look. i think people need to understand the features they are using _ understand the features they are using and — understand the features they are using and how they can communicate and tailor— using and how they can communicate and tailor it _ using and how they can communicate and tailor it themselves and make sure the _ and tailor it themselves and make sure the information they are consuming is information they can trust _ consuming is information they can trust. ., ., ~ ., trust. living in an elon musk world. do know what? _ trust. living in an elon musk world. do know what? we _ trust. living in an elon musk world. do know what? we are _ trust. living in an elon musk world. do know what? we are going - trust. living in an elon musk world. do know what? we are going to - trust. living in an elon musk world. do know what? we are going to be | do know what? we are going to be driving his cars, reading twitter about his latest rocket launch. we will be living in the elon musk world, undoubtedly so, if he gets his way. we will leave that fare for a second and talk about someone who was kicked off twitter. of course, trump. ajudge in new york has ruled donald trump in contempt of court for failing to provide documents that were demanded by the new york state attorney general as part of her investigation into his business empire. the former us president has been ordered to pay a fine of $10,000 a day until he complies with the subpoena. let's speak to the bbc�*s new york correspondent, nada tawfik. $10,000 a day? that quickly mounts, doesn't it? he says he doesn't have the documents, so what happens if he does not produce the documents now? yes, that is exactly right, christian, and his lawyers have called this fine crazy, they say they have done a diligent search and they have done a diligent search and the materials simply don't exist, so what are his options? well, we know they are going to appeal this decision, but clearly by the tone of thisjudge, thisjudge is siding with the state attorney general, leticia james, who has been doggett throughout this entire investigation and during her more than two year long investigation now she has been in litigation with president trump to get documents, to get testimony from him and his two other children, and thejudge says from him and his two other children, and the judge says that is not trump takes his business seriously, so does he? and he wants to see leticia james get this information, so she can complete her investigation and if he is not happy with what president trump's lawyers come up with, he can increase those fines, christian, so when we talk about 10,000 a day adding up, a fine of more than that could raise the stakes even higher for more than that could raise the stakes even higherfor president trump here and so, that is what we really so during this day in court, both sides arguing about how this is going to shake out and i have to say, president trump's team had even brought up the idea of him signing an affidavit, saying that he has produced as much as he thinks is possible and thejudge produced as much as he thinks is possible and the judge said that would be something that should be presented. that would open up a whole other can of worms into this lawsuit, but certainly a big victory here for the state attorney general. i was under the impression that he was supposed to give letitia james a deposition. also milani trump and donald trumpjunior, so what has happened with that aspect of the investigation?— happened with that aspect of the investigation? yes, that is exactly ri . ht. investigation? yes, that is exactly right- letitia _ investigation? yes, that is exactly right. letitia james _ investigation? yes, that is exactly right. letitia james has _ investigation? yes, that is exactly right. letitia james has already i right. letitia james has already spoken with eric trump, but she wants to speak with donald trump and his two children, either anchor and donald trumpjunior, because donald trump junior, because remember this donald trumpjunior, because remember this is a family —— donald trump and his children. this is a family matter and this is what has made it so testing for the family members. she has tried to get those depositions. the trump team again appealing that, even countersuing her, saying this is all politically motivated to target the family, so stay tuned for that side of things, christian. in fact, stay tuned for that side of things, christian. infact, in stay tuned for that side of things, christian. in fact, in that appeal they did not hit back at this request for more documents, and yet, here we are again with another legal drama to get through this phase. so wejust drama to get through this phase. so we just have to wait and see how this all shakes out.— we just have to wait and see how this all shakes out. yes, of course, it is a banker— this all shakes out. yes, of course, it is a banker that _ this all shakes out. yes, of course, it is a banker that is _ this all shakes out. yes, of course, it is a banker that is due _ this all shakes out. yes, of course, it is a banker that is due for - this all shakes out. yes, of course, it is a banker that is due for a - it is a banker that is due for a deposition, not milani. —— it is ivanka. not milani. he was called for a deposition. but let mejust connect these two issues, because now that trump is not on twitter, i don't see the statements carrying the same sort of effect, but we are now starting to turn our attention towards 202a. he is in all sorts of strife in the courts at the moment, but if he gets the megaphone back, this is going to potentially get quite messy. itruieiiii. the megaphone back, this is going to potentially get quite messy.- potentially get quite messy. well, i don't disagree _ potentially get quite messy. well, i don't disagree with _ potentially get quite messy. well, i don't disagree with you _ potentially get quite messy. well, i don't disagree with you about - potentially get quite messy. well, i don't disagree with you about this | don't disagree with you about this noise _ don't disagree with you about this noise and — don't disagree with you about this noise and so, _ don't disagree with you about this noise and so, him _ don't disagree with you about this noise and so, him not— don't disagree with you about this noise and so, him not having - don't disagree with you about this noise and so, him not having the| noise and so, him not having the twitter— noise and so, him not having the twitter account _ noise and so, him not having the twitter account to _ noise and so, him not having the twitter account to really- twitter account to really continually _ twitter account to really continuallyjust - twitter account to really continuallyjust blast - twitter account to really- continuallyjust blast whomever twitter account to really— continuallyjust blast whomever he once daily, — continuallyjust blast whomever he once daily, hourly, _ continuallyjust blast whomever he once daily, hourly, putting - continuallyjust blast whomever he once daily, hourly, putting that - once daily, hourly, putting that aside _ once daily, hourly, putting that aside for— once daily, hourly, putting that aside for a _ once daily, hourly, putting that aside for a moment, _ once daily, hourly, putting that aside fora moment, i- once daily, hourly, putting that aside for a moment, iwill- once daily, hourly, putting that aside for a moment, i willjusti once daily, hourly, putting that i aside for a moment, i willjust say this _ aside for a moment, i willjust say this my— aside for a moment, i willjust say this. my inbox. _ aside for a moment, i willjust say this. my inbox, where _ aside for a moment, i willjust say this. my inbox, where i— aside for a moment, i willjust say this. my inbox, where i get - aside for a moment, i willjust say this. my inbox, where i get the i aside for a moment, i willjust say. this. my inbox, where i get the most noise _ this. my inbox, where i get the most noise from _ this. my inbox, where i get the most noise from donald _ this. my inbox, where i get the most noise from donald trump, _ this. my inbox, where i get the most noise from donald trump, for- this. my inbox, where i get the most noise from donald trump, for my- noise from donald trump, for my politics— noise from donald trump, for my politics inbox _ noise from donald trump, for my politics inbox for— noise from donald trump, for my politics inbox for many— noise from donald trump, for my politics inbox for many years, - noise from donald trump, for my politics inbox for many years, i l politics inbox for many years, i tell you — politics inbox for many years, i tell you the _ politics inbox for many years, i tell you the e—mails _ politics inbox for many years, i tell you the e—mails i - politics inbox for many years, i tell you the e—mails i get - politics inbox for many years, i tell you the e—mails i get from| politics inbox for many years, i i tell you the e—mails i get from his team _ tell you the e—mails i get from his team are — tell you the e—mails i get from his team are so — tell you the e—mails i get from his team are so unique _ tell you the e—mails i get from his team are so unique and _ tell you the e—mails i get from his team are so unique and major- tell you the e—mails i get from his team are so unique and major i i tell you the e—mails i get from his. team are so unique and major i have never— team are so unique and major i have never seen _ team are so unique and major i have never seen anything _ team are so unique and major i have never seen anything like _ team are so unique and major i have never seen anything like it _ team are so unique and major i have never seen anything like it over- team are so unique and major i have never seen anything like it over the i never seen anything like it over the past decade — never seen anything like it over the past decade from _ never seen anything like it over the past decade from any _ never seen anything like it over the past decade from any republican i past decade from any republican candidate — past decade from any republican candidate he— past decade from any republican candidate. he found _ past decade from any republican candidate. he found traces - past decade from any republican candidate. he found traces of - candidate. he found traces of everything _ candidate. he found traces of everything happening - candidate. he found traces of everything happening to - candidate. he found traces of everything happening to him. candidate. he found traces of. everything happening to him. so these _ everything happening to him. so these iegal— everything happening to him. so these legal signs, _ everything happening to him. so these legal signs, this _ everything happening to him. so these legal signs, this is - everything happening to him. so these legal signs, this is an- these legal signs, this is an exorbitant— these legal signs, this is an exorbitant number. - these legal signs, this is an exorbitant number. we - these legal signs, this is an. exorbitant number. we know these legal signs, this is an- exorbitant number. we know donald trump _ exorbitant number. we know donald trump is _ exorbitant number. we know donald trump is actually _ exorbitant number. we know donald trump is actually famous _ exorbitant number. we know donald trump is actually famous for - exorbitant number. we know donald trump is actually famous for not - trump is actually famous for not paying _ trump is actually famous for not paying many— trump is actually famous for not paying many biiis _ trump is actually famous for not paying many bills. i— trump is actually famous for not paying many bills. i think- trump is actually famous for not paying many bills. i think he - trump is actually famous for not paying many bills. i think he is l trump is actually famous for not| paying many bills. i think he is in a fundraising _ paying many bills. i think he is in a fundraising phase, _ paying many bills. i think he is in a fundraising phase, as - paying many bills. i think he is in a fundraising phase, as he - paying many bills. i think he is in a fundraising phase, as he has i paying many bills. i think he is ini a fundraising phase, as he has for many— a fundraising phase, as he has for many months _ a fundraising phase, as he has for many months since _ a fundraising phase, as he has for many months since leaving - a fundraising phase, as he has forj many months since leaving office. every _ many months since leaving office. every little — many months since leaving office. every little thing _ many months since leaving office. every little thing counts _ many months since leaving office. every little thing counts are - many months since leaving office. every little thing counts are living | every little thing counts are living that is _ every little thing counts are living that is how — every little thing counts are living that is how he _ every little thing counts are living that is how he pays— every little thing counts are living that is how he pays this _ every little thing counts are living that is how he pays this fine, - every little thing counts are living that is how he pays this fine, i. that is how he pays this fine, i think— that is how he pays this fine, i think this _ that is how he pays this fine, i think this is — that is how he pays this fine, i think this is probably- that is how he pays this fine, i think this is probably very - that is how he pays this fine, i- think this is probably very shocking to his _ think this is probably very shocking to his team — think this is probably very shocking to his team because _ think this is probably very shocking to his team because now— think this is probably very shocking to his team because now and - think this is probably very shocking to his team because now and again think this is probably very shocking. to his team because now and again he is not _ to his team because now and again he is not paying _ to his team because now and again he is not paying iegal— to his team because now and again he is not paying legal fees. _ to his team because now and again he is not paying legal fees. rudy- is not paying legal fees. rudy giuliani. _ is not paying legal fees. rudy giuliani. as— is not paying legal fees. rudy giuliani, as everyone - is not paying legal fees. rudy giuliani, as everyone knows, i is not paying legal fees. rudy. giuliani, as everyone knows, has never— giuliani, as everyone knows, has never been — giuliani, as everyone knows, has never been paid _ giuliani, as everyone knows, has never been paid a— giuliani, as everyone knows, has never been paid a dime - giuliani, as everyone knows, has never been paid a dime for- giuliani, as everyone knows, has never been paid a dime for the l giuliani, as everyone knows, has . never been paid a dime for the legal advice _ never been paid a dime for the legal advice he _ never been paid a dime for the legal advice he has — never been paid a dime for the legal advice he has been _ never been paid a dime for the legal advice he has been giving, - never been paid a dime for the legal advice he has been giving, or- never been paid a dime for the legal advice he has been giving, or even. advice he has been giving, or even the stomping _ advice he has been giving, or even the stomping he _ advice he has been giving, or even the stomping he has _ advice he has been giving, or even the stomping he has been - advice he has been giving, or even the stomping he has been doing, i advice he has been giving, or even. the stomping he has been doing, out advocating _ the stomping he has been doing, out advocating and — the stomping he has been doing, out advocating and representing - the stomping he has been doing, out advocating and representing him. - the stomping he has been doing, out advocating and representing him. i. advocating and representing him. i think— advocating and representing him. i think it _ advocating and representing him. i think it is _ advocating and representing him. i think it is really— advocating and representing him. i think it is really important - advocating and representing him. i think it is really important note - think it is really important note here _ think it is really important note here have _ think it is really important note here have people _ think it is really important note here have people i've - think it is really important note here have people i've been - think it is really important note i here have people i've been hurt, think it is really important note - here have people i've been hurt, so thisjudge _ here have people i've been hurt, so thisjudge here _ here have people i've been hurt, so thisjudge here really— here have people i've been hurt, so thisjudge here really putting - here have people i've been hurt, so thisjudge here really putting down| thisjudge here really putting down the gavel— thisjudge here really putting down the gavel here _ thisjudge here really putting down the gavel here today— thisjudge here really putting down the gavel here today and _ thisjudge here really putting down the gavel here today and letitia . the gavel here today and letitia james _ the gavel here today and letitia james today— the gavel here today and letitia james today getting _ the gavel here today and letitia james today getting what - the gavel here today and letitia james today getting what is - the gavel here today and letitia james today getting what is a l the gavel here today and letitia . james today getting what is a huge victory. _ james today getting what is a huge victory. i— james today getting what is a huge victory, i cannot— james today getting what is a huge victory, i cannot overstate - james today getting what is a huge victory, i cannot overstate that, . victory, i cannot overstate that, and this— victory, i cannot overstate that, and this is— victory, i cannot overstate that, and this is so— victory, i cannot overstate that, and this is so big. _ victory, i cannot overstate that, and this is so big. i— victory, i cannot overstate that, and this is so big. ithink- victory, i cannot overstate that, and this is so big. i think we - victory, i cannot overstate that, j and this is so big. i think we will wait _ and this is so big. i think we will wait and — and this is so big. i think we will wait and see _ and this is so big. i think we will wait and see how _ and this is so big. i think we will wait and see how the _ and this is so big. i think we will wait and see how the trump - and this is so big. i think we will. wait and see how the trump world reacts. _ wait and see how the trump world reacts. but — wait and see how the trump world reacts. but one _ wait and see how the trump world reacts, but 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this, i think it is going to happen because he — this, i think it is going to happen because he is— this, i think it is going to happen because he is going _ this, i think it is going to happen because he is going to— this, i think it is going to happen because he is going to play- this, i think it is going to happen because he is going to play the l because he is going to play the victim — because he is going to play the victim. . ., because he is going to play the victim. , ., , ., , victim. yes, the volume button is about to be _ victim. yes, the volume button is about to be turned _ victim. yes, the volume button is about to be turned up _ victim. yes, the volume button is about to be turned up and - victim. yes, the volume button is about to be turned up and we - victim. yes, the volume button is about to be turned up and we will know more about it very shortly. nada tawfik, thank you very much indeed for that from new york. so with us on the programme. we are going to focus on the presidential election in france and will hear from emmanuel macron's party, a big win for him last night. we will discuss a number of people who voted for marine le pen and also spoiled ballots. also we are going to talk about the two pilots who we heard about the two pilots who we heard about yesterday who are going to dive into each other�*s plain. stay tuned for what happened. a few clouds and showers today, but also a change in wind direction. we have more cloud, feeling cooler, but the reason for this is also this high—pressure, part of england and wales only seeing about 40% of the average april rainfall, but eh? 0f average april rainfall, but eh? of whether we will see much rain on that over the weekend. the cloud has come and gone today over scotland, first thing, and then we have some sunshine coming through for england and wales. it has been tending to clear dilley mcleod over a bit more to the afternoon and this evening temperatures will tumble again under the thunderous skies and a bit more cloud gathering in the north and east of scotland, so less chance of ground frost here, but temperatures elsewhere close to freezing with a touch of frost my morning. a chilly start, but a bright and sunny one for much of england and wales, northern ireland, parts of scotland and following behind that bank of cloud we will see breaks in the cloud we will see breaks in the cloud as well and some sunshine with just a chilly breeze here. the best of the sunshine further south will allow temperatures to rise to 15 or 16 degrees and on the whole a bit of cloud coming in. maybe the odd light shower here or there, but mostly dry and what we might find its high levels of uv in the south and high levels of uv in the south and high levels of uv in the south and high levels of tree pollen again for those who suffer. as we go through tuesday evening and overnight, we continue to follow our areas of cloud south and west, being pushed in by that north north—easterly breeze and with quite a bit of cloud again as we go towards wednesday, it is looking like a predominantly dry, but probably quite cloudy day on the whole, with a lot of cloud gathering in eastern areas, so the best of the sunshine likely in the west, but even here as we start to pick up a breeze in the english channel temperatures may be a degree or so down as well because that cold air is just filtering southwards. at breeze is with us as we go into thursday in southern areas and again the breeze will be light, so the pressure is high and where it is still dry where we do see the sunshine i think it will be pleasant enough, strong sunshine, but that drive continues for the end of april. goodbye! hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. victory for president macron in france — as he defeats marine le pen — but will smaller majority than five years. but with elections to the french national assembly not far away — we'll analyse how france's president will look to win over the section of the elecorate that dislikes him the uk government unveils a new task force to write the rules that will help businesses cut their emissions to net—zero by 2050. and did they do it? the pilots attempting the first—ever plane swap. find out later if it went to plan tonight with the context, live from paris georgina wright from the thinktank, institut montaigne and republican strategist rina shah is in washington. in the end emmanuel macron won it comfortably, with five and a half million more votes than his far right opponent marine le pen. it's the first time in 20 years a french president has been reelected. but this is only half the story. four in ten french voters have turned to the far right, three million spoiled their ballot rather than vote for the two candidates who were on offer. and already the focus is turning to part three, the parliamentary election, just six weeks away, that will decide how much power emmanuel macron is able wield in this second term. let's hear from a member of his party. a little earlier i spoke with 0lga givernet — a parliamentary deputee for the l'ain department. i asked her how she sees the rise in the far right vote in france. i think that after five years of crisis in france and everywhere because we had so much going on, this is still quite good from our president to be reelected from the far right is getting higher and higher. and it's something that scares me because, it is difficult to understand what's going on and what they think the far right is a solution for a country and to put the country back on track and we would be quite happy, but people put their trust in us to carry on for five more years. but still, we need to work together and make people confident in the future. i’m confident in the future. i'm interested _ confident in the future. i'm interested in _ confident in the future. i'm interested in this _ confident in the future. i'm interested in this idea that we need to put the country back on track and you look at purchasing power, it comes level with the uk and if you look at activity per hour, it's a good 20% above uk level. statistically, only about 5% of the ports people are worse off than they were five years ago. so, why do they think it's going so badly? i were five years ago. so, why do they think it's going so badly?— think it's going so badly? i think it's a feeling _ think it's going so badly? i think it's a feeling we _ think it's going so badly? i think it's a feeling we are _ think it's going so badly? i think it's a feeling we are still - it's a feeling we are still reminding that unemployment and all going on the past of it. still, there are some people think it's up which should be. it may be not in their interests. so we are fighting against it in against the social network, making synthetic news as well and we know it has been really hard for everyone and we know that some people try to make this look worse and sound worse. and that's what are fighting against and our work is actually to explain explain always how we are able to protect people from the inflation and put some blocks over the price not going up some blocks over the price not going up and we are also fighting against global warming we are working with other countries on this. but still, in france, we know that people don't think france is actually one of the best options we have.— best options we have. president macron's party- _ let's go back to 2022 first of all, thatis let's go back to 2022 first of all, that is the vote as it finished in the first round. you see le pen just squeezing in with 23% of the vote. we look at when he was elected, you will see that back then, there was what we would call a traditional framework in france. you have the centre—right, yet the ps, the socialist party, there were nowhere near this and what happened over the last three collections. every time le pen is put on 3 million more votes, where does that go? tbs, le pen is put on 3 million more votes, where does that go? a good ruestion votes, where does that go? a good question and _ votes, where does that go? a good question and many _ votes, where does that go? a good question and many people - votes, where does that go? a good question and many people in - votes, where does that go? a good | question and many people in france are worried — question and many people in france are worried about the increase of the far— are worried about the increase of the far right. i think it's worth remembering that the far right have not quite _ remembering that the far right have not quite yet broken the glass ceiling — not quite yet broken the glass ceiling are broken through the glass ceiling _ ceiling are broken through the glass ceiling just yet and that's because people _ ceiling just yet and that's because people still think that is le pen's party— people still think that is le pen's party that— people still think that is le pen's party that still racist and a danger to democracy and people still, majority— to democracy and people still, majority still feel very uncomfortable with her party but if she leaves, even if someone else takes _ she leaves, even if someone else takes control of the party, it's about— takes control of the party, it's about the _ takes control of the party, it's about the parliamentary election we have two or three blocks in french politics now, there is emmanuel macron who is centre—right and centreleft, you have to the left, you have john centreleft, you have to the left, you havejohn luke who is working a bit with the greens and what happens if emmanuel macron is denied a majority? i if emmanuel macron is denied a ma'ori ? ., majority? i would say the presidential _ majority? i would say the presidential election, - majority? i would say the - presidential election, personified elections — presidential election, personified elections it's very much about the candidate — elections it's very much about the candidate who is running a mess about— candidate who is running a mess about the — candidate who is running a mess about the party. where is this service — about the party. where is this service is— about the party. where is this service is still one party. we can see traditional mainstream centre—right party still doing quite well in _ centre—right party still doing quite well in the legislative elections and their— well in the legislative elections and their important reforms in the early— and their important reforms in the early to— and their important reforms in the early to thousands which produce the presidential mandate from 75 years and impose presidential elections in parliamentary elections take place in the _ parliamentary elections take place in the same year. when you have seen since _ in the same year. when you have seen since those _ in the same year. when you have seen since those performances is able to secure the — since those performances is able to secure the majority he needs to achieve — secure the majority he needs to achieve everything he wants. the question— achieve everything he wants. the question now is with emmanuel macron bein- question now is with emmanuel macron being the _ question now is with emmanuel macron being the first to be reelected in the first— being the first to be reelected in the first president since these reforms — the first president since these reforms are passed, will he still managed — reforms are passed, will he still managed to secure the majority lots of people _ managed to secure the majority lots of people say he might well do that and that— of people say he might well do that and that is— of people say he might well do that and that is why the campaigning really— and that is why the campaigning really begins now to get this people to support him but you could totally see a _ to support him but you could totally see a split _ to support him but you could totally see a split and a complete political continuation and fragmentation of the system between the centre, the centreleft _ the system between the centre, the centreleft and the centre—right and also the _ centreleft and the centre—right and also the far right and i'll far left that is— also the far right and i'll far left that is why the elections are going to be _ that is why the elections are going to be so— that is why the elections are going to be so interesting. why that is why the elections are going to be so interesting.— to be so interesting. why the interesting — to be so interesting. why the interesting things _ to be so interesting. why the interesting things as - to be so interesting. why the interesting things as we - to be so interesting. why the interesting things as we are i to be so interesting. why the i interesting things as we are the results coming in from paris and le pen defeated. and in slovenia or populist prime minister was defeated by the centrists and suddenly it looks as if the naturalist characters are on the run. but then you look at what happened in some of the earlier primary elections the united states, in michigan and some of the debates in georgia republicans are running on the big lie. if you don't back the big like and i can get the primary rounds. but you think the populist parties are right now? it’s but you think the populist parties are right now?— but you think the populist parties are right now? it's important not to draw parallels where _ are right now? it's important not to draw parallels where there - are right now? it's important not to draw parallels where there aren't i draw parallels where there aren't any. and for me, particular, its very pro—democracy and seeing le pen tonight. most americans are not looked at and they will find something to do share in common and enough people in france voted against le pen. it left and centre parties really need to start producing candidates and platforms for that matter that people want to vote for. not against. that is what is happening and we are on the walk to that. people are growing really tired of having to vote against candidates and just go for somebody who they feel really lukewarm about. and in certain states like michigan and early prime states, you look at the deep south, like georgia, red state through and through for donald trump really did try to wield his influence in ways we have never seen before in american politics and the executive branch or lead him to the state level. there are very important moments their flesh examples of how democracy is in crisis in the united states because the way we do our elections and i think americans really need to wake up to the reality that we need systemic reform. even conservatives are starting to except in certain states like utah, that it is a good alternative to how we are doing primary systems so that we have less negative campaigning and receive less extremism in our politics. so, thatis less extremism in our politics. so, that is a very big realities.- that is a very big realities. which is about the _ that is a very big realities. which is about the influence _ that is a very big realities. which is about the influence of - that is a very big realities. which is about the influence of social . is about the influence of social media on politics. he still has the rotating european presidency, emmanuel macron and board by a second term. obviously, he has big ambitions for european security, a big decision to make about the wager approaches russian oil and gas, what do you think will happen in the coming weeks? in do you think will happen in the coming weeks?— do you think will happen in the comint weeks? coming weeks? in the coming weeks, he's atoin coming weeks? in the coming weeks, he's going to — coming weeks? in the coming weeks, he's going to be _ coming weeks? in the coming weeks, he's going to be focusing _ coming weeks? in the coming weeks, he's going to be focusing on - coming weeks? in the coming weeks, he's going to be focusing on what's i he's going to be focusing on what's happening — he's going to be focusing on what's happening in france. the campaigning mode. _ happening in france. the campaigning mode. he _ happening in france. the campaigning mode, he did not do that much campaigning to be reelected and now he's really— campaigning to be reelected and now he's really going to try and secure that majority in some ways and convince — that majority in some ways and convince people give it a chance to do what _ convince people give it a chance to do what i _ convince people give it a chance to do what i want to do. but on europe, he had _ do what i want to do. but on europe, he had already set out proposals with to _ he had already set out proposals with to change the eu and make it more _ with to change the eu and make it more sovereign, it may not be over the next _ more sovereign, it may not be over the next two, three or five weeks, but certainly after, he will have a full agenda and his challenge would be to get— full agenda and his challenge would be to get other eu member states to create _ be to get other eu member states to create another eu countries on board to support _ create another eu countries on board to support what he wants to do and he can— to support what he wants to do and he can really see it happen before he can really see it happen before he leaves — he can really see it happen before he leaves office. he he can really see it happen before he leaves office.— he leaves office. he says is going to ut the he leaves office. he says is going to put the environment _ he leaves office. he says is going to put the environment front - he leaves office. he says is going to put the environment front and | to put the environment front and centre in here in the uk to meet the nuts or targets that set itself at cop 26 then boardrooms around the country will need to be pulling in the same direction. and to that end the government announced today it is setting up a new task force that will set the ambition and write the rules on how financial firms and listed companies will need to report, from next year. one of the biggest problems at the moment is that companies often inflate their green credentials in financial statements they produce for shareholders. last year, the office for national statistics reported that nearly half of all businesses reported they are taking barely no action to reduce their emissions of the 46% of businesses taking no current action, 70% said they were not intending to take any action in the next 12 months. and more than a third of businesses not currently taking action said there was nothing to prevent them from doing so let's speak to karen ellis — who's the wwf�*s chief economist, who is a member of the transition plan task force a good question. at the moment, the task force isjust a good question. at the moment, the task force is just starting to think about how to create a gold standard for these transition plans that are being passed to companies now. so, they'll hope to set the level of ambition and we hope to see from companies in terms of the changes they're going to make to their business in order to net zero admissions and once those transition plans are published, we will know a lot more about how companies are dealing with this challenge, whether they are doing enough, whether that's having enough of an impact on carbon and therefore, whether or not for the steps are needed in the regulatory framework in the legislation, for example, to really add those teeth into the mix and picture companies that are not delivering on these transition plans when i drink it fast enough are actually penalised.— when i drink it fast enough are actually penalised. fines for not meetin: actually penalised. fines for not meeting the _ actually penalised. fines for not meeting the target? _ actually penalised. fines for not meeting the target? potentially | meeting the target? potentially finds, meeting the target? potentially finds. there _ meeting the target? potentially finds, there lots _ meeting the target? potentially finds, there lots of _ meeting the target? potentially finds, there lots of different - meeting the target? potentially i finds, there lots of different ways of doing it another way that has been discussed is in the usual financial regulatory framework, particularly financial institutions are incentivised by the amount of capital they have to hold it against different types of investments. if you consider some investments to be too risky in terms of the future impact of climate change, then you could be forced to pay more to hold that kind of capital. that is when we are strongly incentivising in a financial way, we are strongly incentivising in a financialway, companies we are strongly incentivising in a financial way, companies to actually have an ambitious transition plans, there are many different ways of regulating this, the most obvious actually is for investors, as in shareholders to be able to vote on transition plans in the annual general meeting and decide for themselves whether or not that is adequate. we do not think that is necessarily going to be enough, he made it more regulation than that but that is a good first step in getting a market to govern and discipline companies were not ambitious enough. the discipline companies were not ambitious enough.— discipline companies were not ambitious enough. discipline companies were not ambitious enou:h. , , ., ambitious enough. the best 'udge of what is right. — ambitious enough. the best 'udge of what is right, shareholders _ ambitious enough. the bestjudge of what is right, shareholders can - ambitious enough. the bestjudge of what is right, shareholders can look| what is right, shareholders can look at the bottom line is the more ambitious measures that these companies will to take might render them uncompetitive the global context. and the rental profits, or to make sure that that is something shareholders want to go for. effect the transition _ shareholders want to go for. effect the transition plans _ shareholders want to go for. effect the transition plans and _ shareholders want to go for. effect the transition plans and the - shareholders want to go for. effect the transition plans and the carbon emissions are going to be disclosed going forward has a little wider set of people to scrutinise those plans and scrutinise the performance including ngos and others, that is good as well and being held to account and companies are having this on climate change. but you may well need regulation to actually define whether or not a company is doing enough and to penalise it if it is not an order to incentivise the best performing companies to do even more because they benefit financially or some other way. michael, the senior adviser says you can't really do any of this until you're able to set a price for carbon and until that is wired into the system, shareholders will know what it will cause them to transition to net zero. i can't say that you cannot do it for subunits certainly make progress, and this will certainly help and we would like to see a government put in place their own government net zero transition plan. find place their own government net zero transition plan-— transition plan. and every company -auttin transition plan. and every company putting that — transition plan. and every company putting that in _ transition plan. and every company putting that in place _ transition plan. and every company putting that in place assesses - transition plan. and every company putting that in place assesses the l putting that in place assesses the impact of policy and public spending on net zero achievement because that overall framework that overall economic transition that we would like to see in order to facilitate the financial sector. you can't do it by themselves but they can strengthen incentives for those that borrow from each of those financial institutions and put in place thrown transition plans and transition because they know that there is going to be more regulation coming down the track is going to require that process. i’ssre down the track is going to require that process-— down the track is going to require that rocess. �* , .., . ,, ., that process. i've 'ust come back to the united states— that process. i've just come back to the united states and _ that process. i've just come back to the united states and in _ that process. i've just come back to the united states and in la. - that process. i've just come back to the united states and in la. and i that process. i've just come back to the united states and in la. and it| the united states and in la. and it did strike me how far companies either, it's the consumer. you don't have railroads, metros that would take you down one side of the coast, everyone drops into a car, there's really only one producer. tesla, they are in bigger plots of land, as a whole mindset that's a change in america ever going to meet these targets. it america ever going to meet these taraets. .., �* .., targets. it couldn't come soon enou:h. targets. it couldn't come soon enough. beverly _ targets. it couldn't come soon enough. beverly bad - targets. it couldn't come soon enough. beverly bad news - targets. it couldn't come soon. enough. beverly bad news here targets. it couldn't come soon - enough. beverly bad news here is that the states do they want to do and states the midwest will behave over they want to behave in on the east coast, though act vastly different than the west coast stop id ever think you live a federal rule book that will govern all states behave? i don't think so and that's the complicated matter. governors who i've spoken with this past october talk to me about the free markets and, we need the competition so there'll be more producers, for electric vehicle battery producers and car producers, but we also know that there's so much that stands in the way of that innovation happening. and it does lead more millennialist born after 1981 feel like there is something that the government can do to push things on and i feel like that the government can do to push things on and ifeel like if that the government can do to push things on and i feel like if you leave it up to responsible state actors, then we will never get the progress we need. you actors, then we will never get the progress we need.— progress we need. you need republicans _ progress we need. you need republicans who _ progress we need. you need republicans who accept - progress we need. you need republicans who accept it's l progress we need. you need i republicans who accept it's real progress we need. you need - republicans who accept it's real and republicans who accept its real and the president accepts it's real. we have some more men, some cooling, you cannot deny the science. you have to accept the science, first of all. ., . have to accept the science, first of all. . , ., all. indeed, that is a huge thing but it's the _ all. indeed, that is a huge thing but it's the corporate _ all. indeed, that is a huge thing but it's the corporate actors. i but it's the corporate actors. corporate ceos believing they have a pardon of this and knowing they can do better whether it is just greenhouse emissions, getting on board with the rest of the world wants to do or frankly, just really having a seat at the table on things like the green new deal that many of you may have heard about across the pond, younger legislators being elected to congress in speaking these words seem to be up to do better. a corporate actors going to meet her? i don't know. you have on the left, jean—luc, who was totally co—opted ecology and environmentalism, such that emmanuel macron has to engage with them because that's where a lot of friends young voters are —— french young voters. he friends young voters are -- french young voters-— friends young voters are -- french young voters. he didn't do too badly either. young voters. he didn't do too badly either- the — young voters. he didn't do too badly either. the european _ young voters. he didn't do too badly either. the european parliament, i either. the european parliament, releasing — either. the european parliament, releasing that this is a major crisis — releasing that this is a major crisis and _ releasing that this is a major crisis and people don't realise just how much— crisis and people don't realise just how much people are going to need to change _ how much people are going to need to change the _ how much people are going to need to change the way they live, with the work. _ change the way they live, with the work. the — change the way they live, with the work, the weatherby travel and this is really— work, the weatherby travel and this is really something that several candidates are talking about during the campaign. but emmanuel macron remembered the paris climate deal, pushing _ remembered the paris climate deal, pushing the eu to be more ambitious on decarbonisation, these really tricky— on decarbonisation, these really tricky decisions because you have to .et tricky decisions because you have to get everyone on board, it's notjust about— get everyone on board, it's notjust about government handing companies or individuals in telling them what to do. _ or individuals in telling them what to do, given them a framework but they also— to do, given them a framework but they also have to listen and buy in front _ they also have to listen and buy in front from — they also have to listen and buy in front from citizens and companies i think— front from citizens and companies i think that's — front from citizens and companies i think that's why the uk government proposal— think that's why the uk government proposal for putting together a task force is— proposal for putting together a task force is really interesting for cross — force is really interesting for cross government but hopefully, that task force _ cross government but hopefully, that task force is also going to listen to companies and maybe come up with a solution _ to companies and maybe come up with a solution that might be able to be applied _ a solution that might be able to be applied to other countries as well stop by— applied to other countries as well stop by the gold standard that other countries _ stop by the gold standard that other countries might follow it's really important. thank you very much. and finally — if you were watching on thursday you will know we spoke to two pilots who this weekend were attempting to swap planes mid air. the pilots luke aikins and andy farrington told us they would be flying to the same altitude above the desert in arizona — jump out — and attempt to sky dive into each others plane — before they hit the ground. why they hit the ground. not? recognition than anythin is why not? recognition than anything is possible. so, they are not back. they are alive. but it didn't go entirely to plan — here's the footage. so, luke was successful but the other plane started spinning — and andy — the second pilot was not able to get into plane as he approached so, he aborted. and this was their reaction. so dangerous, this. he gets into the plane and you see this for vision forward, he was spiralling down to the ground, that when did land with the ground, that when did land with the parachute and they both landed safely on the ground. but now, the faa is investigating because there is the plane of the parachute and there it is spiralling to the ground. the faa is complaining about this because apparently, they did not know that this stunt was going to work the way that it did which might explain why the two pilots don't want to go on tv. why did you follow it this weekend? to be honest, no, iwas fully did you follow it this weekend? to be honest, no, i was fully focused on the _ be honest, no, i was fully focused on the french election but i think my eyes— on the french election but i think my eyes almost popped out of their sockets, we just couldn't believe this is— sockets, we just couldn't believe this is happening. they are known to support— this is happening. they are known to support athletes who go more extreme sports _ support athletes who go more extreme sports and _ support athletes who go more extreme sports and so, i'm not totally surprised _ sports and so, i'm not totally surprised but from my perspective, it seems— surprised but from my perspective, it seems absolutely bonkers. but who knows. _ it seems absolutely bonkers. but who knows. they— it seems absolutely bonkers. but who knows, they may try a second time provided _ knows, they may try a second time provided they have all the regulations and supporting approvals that they— regulations and supporting approvals that they need to try again, but i certainly— that they need to try again, but i certainly wouldn't stop what he is the interview when they came down, this what— the interview when they came down, this what they said stop you will be proof— this what they said stop you will be proof that— this what they said stop you will be proof that it was possible, we prove there _ proof that it was possible, we prove there was _ proof that it was possible, we prove there was boundaries out here. we landed. _ there was boundaries out here. we landed. i_ there was boundaries out here. we landed, i landed safely and he landed — landed, i landed safely and he landed safely under parachute, the plane _ landed safely under parachute, the plane landed under parachute. all the safety protocols worked. all the numbers _ the safety protocols worked. all the numbers matched up, everything should _ numbers matched up, everything should have been good to go. for some _ should have been good to go. for some reason, itjust wasn't should have been good to go. for some reason, it just wasn't that way but at _ some reason, it just wasn't that way but at the _ some reason, it just wasn't that way but at the end of the day, we are both— but at the end of the day, we are both year. — but at the end of the day, we are both year, were both good to go, everyone is— both year, were both good to go, everyone is safe and sound and i think— everyone is safe and sound and i think that's _ everyone is safe and sound and i think that's the important part. he. looked think that's the important part. he: looked quite sheepish, didn't he put his neck we will see if they will try it again, they were not booked for today. try it again, they were not booked fortoday. have try it again, they were not booked for today. have you been following the story? for today. have you been following the sto ? . �* . for today. have you been following the sto ? , �* , , the story? yes, red bull list is known to _ the story? yes, red bull list is known to back _ the story? yes, red bull list is known to back these _ the story? yes, red bull list is known to back these things i the story? yes, red bull list is| known to back these things but the story? yes, red bull list is i known to back these things but they definitely have that spirit of adventure and i admire that in these guys but i definitely think it's a little bit reckless, may be because i'm a mother and a sort of think that that is a little too dangerous and it's almost like giving more rise to roof dying for clicks culture, by you trying so so hard to be entertaining when you know it's dangerous and humans are not meant tojump out of dangerous and humans are not meant to jump out of planes and dangerous and humans are not meant tojump out of planes and jump into another plane in midair. in a way, i am torn. . . , am torn. that is why we invented this programme. _ am torn. that is why we invented this programme. we _ am torn. that is why we invented this programme. we know- am torn. that is why we invented this programme. we know it's i this programme. we know it's dangerous but it is worth a go. thank you very much for coming in on the programme. you will see you tomorrow. we will see you tomorrow. the start of the week prop one or two showers but nothing really significant and so the theme of trey aprilfor england and significant and so the theme of trey april for england and wales continues in some areas only seeing about 30% of the average rainfall so far, only scotland and seen the average. that said, there's very little sign of any more rain for the remainder of the month. it does look as though it's going to be another trey april but probably not quite as dry as last april. we did have a few showers the day on monday underneath the sticker cloud which is checking its way westwards and that has more to the way through the night and switch to start to a tuesday morning. but once again, after the sun is start will find the cloud tends to think and they will see more ascension for northern ireland and heading to the southern and western areas we have some high levels of uv and once again, some high levels of tree pollen for those and at teen breeze around the north sea coast. it is here we were struck with temperatures ofjust nine and ten but we will see it at this time of year will see it at this time of year we hold onto the sunshine run 50 to 60 bits about average for the time of year but it does a distinctly cooler compared to what we have had. to the evening and overnight, we continue to feed back in the cloud of the north sea coming and going but under the clear skies, something we have been seen, temperatures will fall close enough to freezing for frost, perhaps not as chilly going into wednesday morning. but another day on wednesday is a mostly quite a bit of cloud in the winds are easing a little bit. trapped in the area of high pressure and that's the reason for all of the straight weather. a bit of the breeze but more of a breeze picking up to the channel islands along the south coast and without quite as much sunshine, temptress just coming down to a degree or so but still pretty chilly in the north of scotland in particular, the north and east with that restricting of the north sea. that trend continues on thursday we may see weather fronts just surrounding the north us, and at times but again, very little rain on the horizon and that said, we do the pressure building towards the west. there may be some splashes of rain towards the weekend but once again on thursday but we see the prolonged sunshine, the likelihood is in shelter we will see temperatures at 16 or 17 degrees. but, for a little sign of rain even in wellington next week. particularly in the north, not dry beginning corridor is restored in may. a bit of a fly in the ointment in terms of low pressure approaching the west and at which could provide some much—needed rain, we can see the jet stream pushing southwards of the time. there is a lot of interest as to how that's going to come, but in the majority of the week ahead, the jet stream remained strong to the northwest and as you can see pushing those low pressures and scandinavia. but subtle changes and we may that bring in some quarter down and bring in some winter weather as well, there is just a chance of what the systems close to northern and eastern areas possibly to bring weather fronts in the bit of rain. but on balance of the bit of rain. but on balance of the moment, still looks manly dry, and into the start of may, a loop recorder as those winds come down from the north and therefore an increasing list of frost by night and possibly windier as well, but still quite a long way off with the end of april looking trey as well and as ever, there is more online. tonight at 10:00, surviving putin's war. the civilians cowering underground, in eastern ukraine. this, the subterranean existence of those who couldn't escape. they just want the war to end, not caring who wins. translation: two idiots are fighting, two old men. all of them are guilty, all of them. in russia, there are two huge explosions at an oil depot, not far from the border with ukraine. on a day when russia attacked five train stations in ukraine, we'll be assessing the state of the conflict, almost three months on. also tonight... a young star in the making, but sophiejameson is one of several british gymnasts, now accusing a top coach of mistreatment.

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