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will visit kyiv on sunday. caroline davies sent this report. thick black smoke that cut through the calm of a saturday afternoon in odesa. this was the aftermath of a missile strike on the city. blown—out glass and rubble, cars crushed and burnt, floors collapsed. through the debris, the city's firefighters led those that can walk out to safety. vitalia and her son nikita were on the 12th floor when the missile hit. translation: there was a very strong explosion i directly on top of us. it broke all the windows in the apartment. i smelled smoke very strongly. we collected what we could and then we ran. when we reached the fourth and fifth floors, we wanted to turn around. it was impossible to breathe, and all the doors were blown out. translation: we were afraid that we would suffocate, - but in the end we broke through. i got burned, there was a car on fire and the flames hit me. i didn't feel it at first, but then people told me. i was in a state of shock. while we were filming, the crowd was pushed back, told that to get too close would be dangerous. the ukrainian authorities have said that the missiles were launched from the caspian sea. despite anti—aircraft defences, two missiles hit a military facility. two hit residential buildings. at least 8 people have died, 20 wounded. eight are in hospital. one of those killed was a three—month—old baby girl. at a press conference held in one of kyiv�*s metro stations, president zelensky spoke about the strike and those that have lost their lives. "a three—month—old child was killed," he says. "one month old when the war started. "can you imagine what's going on? "filthy scumbags. "how else can they be called? "there are no other words." odesa sits on ukraine's southern coast. while much of the fighting has focused in the east of the country, odesa had started to reduce its curfew and remove some of its street defences. this has come as a shock to many people here in odesa. the city has been relatively quiet over the course of the last few weeks, and many people hoped that that could mean the start of some form of normal life. this shows that things can change in a moment. it's orthodox easter sunday, but few feel they'll find peace while the threat from russia hangs over the country. caroline davies, bbc news, odesa. voting in the second round of the french presidential election will begin in the next few hours. the incumbent, emmanuel macron, is facing off against the far right candidate, marine le pen, with polls suggesting that president macron is currently the favourite to win. my colleague reeta chakrabarti is in paris. there is a lot of apathy and a lot of "none of the above," if you like. you have to remember that these two candidates, le pen and macron, between them they only got 51% of the support in the first round. that means that nearly half of the people who voted in the first round voted for neither of those two, so everybody�*s looking to see what the supporters of the runner—up, the person who came third, will do. now, he wasjean—luc melenchon. he's of the radical left. he got nearly 8 million votes — he got 7.7 million votes in the first round. he was onlyjust a little bit behind marine le pen, so what will the people who voted for him do? it's a choice that nobody�*s relishing amongst his supporters. you keep hearing this phrase from them, that the choice that they're presented with tomorrow is like choosing between cholera and plague — hardly flattering, so what will they do? will they hold their noses and vote for one candidate or the other? will they stay at home? or will they go to the polling booth and put in a blank vote, essentially a protest vote? voting takes place on sunday in france... and we will have a special programme bringing you the result, starting at 17:30 gmt - that'518z30 bst for viewers in the uk. join us for that — as france decides. president zelensky has announced that the us secretary of state, antony blinken, will visit kyiv on sunday, along with the us defense secretary. they're the most senior american officials to visit ukraine since the start of the conflict. our correspondent, anna foster, gave us this update from kyiv. highly unusual to find out about a high—profile visit like this before it's actually happened. normally this is the sort of thing that's released after the event, but he did tell everybody that the most senior us officials so far, since the war began, will be arriving here in kyiv tomorrow. that press conference was the first that he's since the war began surrounded byjournalists. as you know, he normally does one—on—one interviews in his highly secure bunker, but here he was deep below the streets of the city. he was animated. he was angry at times. he called for a meeting with president putin which he thought might help bring this war towards an end, and he also said that the fighters who are still holed up in mariupol were crucial when it came to a new round of peace talks. he said that if those fighters were killed by russian forces, then peace talks, which haven't happened for several weeks now, would not happen again. we've also seen a video today released by the azov brigade. that is the far—right volunteer force that was integrated into the ukrainian national guard back in 2014. that's very hard to verify, but we see their fighters seemingly in the bunkers below the azovstal steel plant. we see them meeting the civilians in there, children and women among them. you see the conditions are cramped and crowded, and they're also handing out easter gifts to the children down there. in terms of evacuating civilians from mariupol, well, again, an evacuation corridor was planned, but failed. around 200 civilians, we're told, were gathered in the centre of mariupol hoping to leave on buses, but they were told by russian soldiers that if they didn't disperse, then they might get shelled. that is the latest from our correspondent anna foster in kyiv. it is christian orthodox easter over this weekend — and religious celebrations have been taking place in many countries — including russia. these are celebrations at christ the savior cathedral in moscow. the mass conducted by russian orthodox patriarch kirill was attended by president vladimir putin. the church has backed the kremlin leader's "special military operation" in ukraine. patriarch kirill said he hoped the conflict would end quickly but did not condemn it. george demacopoulos is co—director of the orthodox christian studies center at fordham university. he joins us from new york. does anyone within the russian orthodox church, even the leader, have any choice other than to not condemn the invasion?— than to not condemn the invasion? not very easily. there hasn't _ invasion? not very easily. there hasn't been - invasion? not very easily. there hasn't been a - invasion? not very easily. | there hasn't been a single bishop within the russian federation to condemn the war. there have been some priests who have been silenced. one of the interesting things to know, of course, is that the majority of course, is that the majority of orthodox christians in ukraine fall under the jurisdiction of the moscow patriarchate and so you do find bishops in ukraine, russian orthodox bishops in ukraine who are condemning the war and have ceased recognising their patriarch, but in russia, no. there has not been any move against putin are against the wall from the leadership. find wall from the leadership. and it does appear, _ wall from the leadership. and it does appear, in _ wall from the leadership. and it does appear, in many comments by president putin, that he is actually using religion to justify the invasion of religion tojustify the invasion of ukraine, religion to justify the invasion of ukraine, doesn't it? , y invasion of ukraine, doesn't it? y it? yes, absolutely. both vladimir— it? yes, absolutely. both vladimir putin _ it? yes, absolutely. both vladimir putin and - it? yes, absolutely. both. vladimir putin and pattaya khalil have presented the operation as a means to save, protect russian speakers in ukraine —— vladimir putin and mate. they present the nation as a means to save russian speakers against the godless west. the paint it as a bulwark against the deceptions of the west, the corruptions of the west, the corruptions of the west, the corruptions of the west, the secularism of the west. for pete in�*s sake he doesn't believe any of this. putin is really a christian. it is all for show. he simply instrumental lies religion is one of the tools by which he is seeking to re—establish a kind of imperial russia. seeking to re-establish a kind of imperial russia.— of imperial russia. have you seen any _ of imperial russia. have you seen any evidence _ of imperial russia. have you seen any evidence of- of imperial russia. have you seen any evidence of this - seen any evidence of this relationship between state russia for some time? has it been happening before ukraine? historically, in the czarist period, in the imperial period, peter the great suppressed the patriarch eight and effectively made the church a state office throughout the final several hundred years of the service period. he had the bolsheviks, he had complete destruction of christianity, but then after the collapse of the soviet union and the rebuilding of what was to be a modern russia, the church began to revive and many of the ex communists were looking for ways to establish what russian identity meant in a post—soviet period and so they went back to the notion of russian orthodoxy in their historic and religion, not only because it was sort of the birth spring of their civilisation as they understood it, but also because it wasn't western, and soon the russian narrative even among secularists like putin is that motion orthodoxy offers a kind of civilisational alternative to a decadent west, and so putin and his government invested heavily in the church as a means to an end, as a way to, sort of, instrumental lies the faith of ordinary believers and teas sort of co—opt all of them into this political agenda that he was setting forth. in that he was setting forth. in these disputes that you talk about over decades, if not centuries, do you think they are spilling over right now today? i heard that there have been some fights in churches in the united states, initially as well. is there a danger that we could see the russian orthodox church globally being divided simply amongst its parishioners? —— in the united states and in italy, as well. you are absolutely seamless. you are absolutely seamless. you see this in new york, in amsterdam, across europe. despite your absolutely seeing this. one of the things is that you have people in these russian parishes across the globe who are themselves ukrainians. all russian rooms. and they have been peacefully playing together for decades or longer —— they are ukrainian or they are russian. then you have events like this with an institutional hierarchy that is absolutely required to toe the official political line, but then you have priests and you have laypeople and educated people could push back against it and, you know, one of the problem is, of course, is that many of the people who belong to these russian parishes outside of russia are watching state—sponsored news coming from russia which, of course, as we know, is a little more than propaganda and so that is the information they are getting. they are running up against fellow parishioners who are getting more objective than multiple voices about what is happening and they have the tension and so you see it in parishes. it is in new york, it is in amsterdam, as you stated in italy and so forth.— in italy and so forth. would 'ust in italy and so forth. would just interject _ in italy and so forth. would just interject there, - in italy and so forth. would just interject there, why i in italy and so forth. would just interject there, why do in italy and so forth. would i just interject there, why do is by that propaganda, particularly outside of russia, where they do have access to bbc news and other news organisations? it isjust bbc news and other news organisations? it is just hard to believe... is it because they want to believe it, do you think? i they want to believe it, do you think? ~' they want to believe it, do you think? ~ , ., think? i think it is a combination - think? i think it is a combination of- think? | think it is a i combination of things. think? i think it is a - combination of things. first think? i think it is a _ combination of things. first of all, i wouldn't want to suggest the majority of people outside of russia who belong to russian parishes believe it, but there are those that do. i mean, look, there are people even outside of the russian orthodox church, even outside of russian descendants, right? you have americans, i had imagined, french or british you sympathetic to putin because people like totalitarians, right? so it is sort of self—selecting. the majority of people don't believe it, right? they know better. they lived through the soviet period they have experienced other things that you have people who want to believe it, unfortunately, and because of the way in which you have this top—down structure in orthodoxy in general but especially and even more so in the russian version of orthodoxy, where you have this very powerful centralised authority in patriarch kirill who dictate to his subordinate bishops what they must do or they will be, you know, dismissed if not worse, and so it is being fed in some part by the clergy and it is also being accepted by people who want to believe it. , ., ., ~ accepted by people who want to believe it. , ., . ~ , ., believe it. george, thank you for that insight. _ believe it. george, thank you for that insight. that - believe it. george, thank you for that insight. that was - believe it. george, thank you for that insight. that was the | for that insight. that was the director of the orthodox christian studies centre at fordham university. let mejust bring your attention to our live page on the war in ukraine which is on our website. it is pretty much constantly being updated by our team of correspondents and producers with lots of analysis of events as well. just log onto bbc dock on forward to us news or you can always download the bbc news app as well. the government has confirmed that borisjohnson hasn't received any further fines for breaking lockdown rules. it comes after reports that the metropolitan police force has issued more penalty notices for an event held in the garden of number 10 downing street in 2020. our political correspondent damian grammaticas gave us this update. we know that the civil servant sue gray looked at 16 different events here and elsewhere. the police are looking at 12 of those, and we understand they have issued fines, 50 or more already, relating to three. now the reports that they have begun issuing fines for one more event, that garden party in downing street on the 20th of may, as you say. downing street here say the prime minister has not had a fine in relation to that. we don't know if he will in the future. what we do know is that he admitted to the house of commons that he was at that event and he was there for 25 minutes, and the rules at the time said you could only be outside your home for an essential work reason and he said he thought it was a work event, but we will wait to see. the issue this week, is the woes this is bringing him and he tried in parliament to get his mps to vote to delay parliament deciding to hold its own inquiry. it seems many of them were not happy about being forced to go on the record and do that, so he backed down and that inquiry is now going ahead. this all leaves uncertainty for him and uncertainty, too, about how solid the backing is amongst his own mps. let's get more now on the french presidential election, the second round of which is taking place later today. my colleague reeta chakrabarti has been following the final days of the election from paris, to get a sense of what might unfold on sunday. well, just under 2a hours now before we find out the opinion, the final result of the election tomorrow evening. but, of course, people are chewing over the situation, which is quite a complex one. so, to discuss it, i'm joined now by the political analyst alex kouchner. alex, viewers will maybe remember your surname. yourfather served in successive french governments. you will then, therefore, have been watching french politics for quite some time. how would you compare the situation now to what it was five years ago, because it's the same two people who are running for election? yes, round numbertwo, but things have dramatically changed. five years ago, both candidates claimed they would change the system. they were challengers, if you will. now, emmanuel macron has a record. he's the sitting president, so he has to own to his own record, and marine le pen has to put behind her her very bad 2017 campaign, and what has shifted is french society. political parties are in disarray. the french society has cracks it has never seen before. we have had the gilets jaunes, then we've had covid, now we have the ukraine war, so, what you have today is a very tough political landscape for both candidates. we saw in the first round the traditional parties of the left and the right, the socialists and the republicans, annhilated — i mean, an abysmal result. has that traditional left—right split gone now? well, party—wise, yes. as you say, they were all but written off. the socialist party, who has actually given us our last president before emmanuel macron, did 1.7%. that is dismal. and the conservative party are now under 6%. they're all but written off nationally, but politically, you still have politics from the right and politics from the left, and, actually, french voters still relate to that, and it's still a very strong marker for them. this is marine le pen's third attempt at the presidency. how successfully has she managed to soften her image, would you say? well, it's quite the feat. and in that sense, she did have a very successful campaign. after all, she is, again, at the second round, and what has changed is her programme — or, actually, not her programme, but the way she presents it. she's been moving away from race and immigration and closer to wages and communities. this has softened her image. she was also very much helped by eric zemmour, an extreme right—wing polemicist with trumpian bravado whose rants on immigration seem to have made her appear more poised, and actually she's no longer a fringe candidate. in that sense, she is very successful. if you look back 20 years ago, marine le pen's father was running in the second round. 82% of the french people voted against the front nacional, with 80% saying that party was a threat to democracy. in 2022, 47% of the french feel that marine le pen is the closest candidate to their worries. 51% think she is the one who changed things best, and we're now having debates on whether or not she is from the extreme right. hint — the answer is yes. the thing is, voters don't seem to feel that way any more. my colleague reeta chakrabarti speaking to political analyst alex kouchner in france there. rescuers in japan say four people have been found, after a sightseeing boat went missing off hokkaido. 26 were on board. the coastguard said it could not confirm whether those rescued were still alive. we will keep you updated. supermarkets across the uk are limiting how much cooking oil customers are able to buy, with stocks hit by the war in ukraine. the country is the uk's biggest supplier of sunflower oil. simon browning reports. the sunflower — the national symbol of ukraine, its bright shining star. yet this spectacular yellow flower is also a highly productive major agricultural export. ukraine normally produces more sunflower oil than anywhere else in the world, but the war, like most things, has almost stopped sunflower farming and production and now food supply chains around the world are short. some supermarkets have now put limits on how much cooking oils customers can buy because demand's surged for alternatives like olive oil and rapeseed oil. tesco now has a limit of three bottles per customer, waitrose and morrisons two, and the other supermarkets are watching the situation keenly as they monitor customer demand. the british retail consortium says the restrictions are temporary. most supermarkets in my understanding have, you know, solid supplies in their warehouses, but they don't want to see any risk of that running out if people go and buy more than they need, so they put in these temporary measures while they ramp up production of oils and try and look for alternative sources of sunflower oil to make sure that we at home can get the products we need when we need it. sunflower oil is notjust a staple for home cooks. manufacturers use it for our cupboard and freezer favourites. tasty biscuits, crunchy crisps, oven chips. the food standards agency has now warned consumers that some products labelled as sunflower oil may now contain alternatives to make sure they're still available. today, the boss of iceland said palm oil, a product they'd removed from food production, will now be added back into 50 products temporarily because of sunflower oil shortages. the sunflower in a war zone highlights the jigsaw of our globalfood chain. it's hoped the conflict is short—lived and the symbol of ukraine can regain its farming domination. simon browning, bbc news. and in boxing, tyson fury has retained his world heavyweight titles in his all—british battle against dillian whyte. the two men took to the ring in front of more than 90,000 fans at wembley. fury was always on top, and was comfortably ahead when he put whyte on the canvas with an uppercut in the sixth round. whyte made it back to his feet, but the referee stopped the fight — also known as a technical knockout. it means fury retains his wbc title, and keeps open the option of a fight to unite all of the heavyweight titles. but after the fight he hinted he might retire, saying he had done his duty to his fans by fighting in the uk again. for the first time in two years, rio's famous carnival has been taking place. the event was cancelled last year and delayed this year due to the coronavirus pandemic. thousands of locals and tourists were there for a display of dance, music and colour. the bbc�*s tim allman reports. music plays. you can say this for the people of rio — they certainly know how to put on a show. but this particular show has been absent for two long years, the shadow of covid looming large. translation: it's a moment of rebirth, of understanding l that we have to hope, even though many have gone. this is what carnival�*s about — showing that we have survived and we will win. translation: this float represents what we lived through in this pandemic. it's also a tribute to those who lost their loved ones, to bring back the joy and celebrate again. brazil has suffered more than most — at least 660,000 lives lost so far — but at carnival, they look both to the past and to the future. "it will be a good parade," said this man. "besides the competition, the important thing is happiness and to celebrate life." "it feels like coming back home," said this woman. "to come back to walk on holy ground." a tribute to those lost, a celebration of things to come. life, passion, energy. the most important thing is to have a good time. tim allman, bbc news. great to see people enjoying themselves, isn't it? if you are, do let us know about it. you can tweet me if you are enjoying the weather or maybe not because we always your pictures. you can reach me on twitter — i'm @chrisrogersnews. the weather next with darren bett. hello there. there are some changes on the way for next week, and i'll show you those a little later on. saturday, though, was dry with some spells of sunshine for much of the country. and warm, as well — in dorset, temperatures reached 20 celsius. different story in the far north of scotland, where we've still got a lot of this cloudy weather. temperatures were nearer 8—9 celsius in the afternoon. it was also cooler around those north sea coasts. the wind continues to come in off the north sea, where sea surface temperatures are only around nine celsius. we've still got those east—to—northeasterly winds on sunday, not as strong as on saturday. many places will be dry with some warm sunshine coming through, as well. now, close to this area of low pressure, there could still be a bit of rain threatening the far south of england. still got high pressure to the north of the uk, keeping the run of east to north—easterly winds going. and these are the temperatures we start with on sunday morning. still a bit of rain there potentially in the far southwest of england to move away. elsewhere, though, a generally dry and sunny start. we'll see some cloud building up, particularly in england and wales, and there could be one or two isolated showers popping off, but generally it's dry. similar story for northern ireland — more sunshine in the southwest of scotland, where it's a bit warmer, north—eastern parts of scotland cooler still with some of that low cloud. highest temperatures southern england, south wales —18—19 celsius. most of the wet weather on these weather system is getting steered to the south of the uk. high pressure is dominating, and it's centred all the way up there into greenland. now, we'll have lighter winds on monday. they're coming more from the north, so it'll be a bit cooler. and we'll find more clouds spreading out and increasing through the day, and the greater chance of catching one or two showers in england and wales. should be dry in scotland and northern ireland, cloudy in northern parts of scotland, and, generally, it's cooler on monday, with highs around 1a degrees or so. and it could be a chilly start on tuesday, with cloudy skies across the north, and that northerly breeze will push the cloud further south, and temperatures will range from 16 in the southwest of england and south wales to only around nine celsius in northeast scotland and the northeast of england. so, these are the changes for next week. it's going to be cooler, there'll be a lot more cloud around, but this generally dry theme is set to continue. goodbye. this is bbc news, the headlines: government officials in ukraine say at least eight people have been killed in missile strikes on the southern port city of odesa. the dead include a three—month old baby. 20 other people were injured in the attacks. the ukrainian foreign minister says they were designed to "spread terror". ukraine's president zelensky has announced that the us secretary of state and us defence secretary will visit kyiv on sunday. they're the most senior us officials to visit ukraine since the start of the conflict. mr zelensky expressed his gratitude to the us for its provision of weapons. voting has begun in some french overseas territories in the second round of the presidential election. the polls will open in france itself in a few hours' time. the incumbent emmanuel macron is going head—to—head with the far—right candidate marine le pen.

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