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Spent their final day responsibility. The two candidates spent theirfinal day campaigning. Spent their final day campaigning. Opinion spent theirfinal day campaigning. Opinion polls suggest the incumbent is around ten points ahead of marine who he defeated in the run of five years ago. I think there were a lot of Conservative Mps who did not fancy going into local elections being accused by the opposition of blocking or preventing or cover up being used and they did not like that either. Labour made that quite clear that they were going to say if you dont support us in this we are going to suggest labour mp and front bench lucy powell and what i live in those situations is everyone is saying do you know whats happening, i dont know. Criticism in the Conservative Party is coming from now is not a ring, the arrested individuals and the numbers are get much further away than india and i recall what voters will want to see is the conclusion of the investigation and i think the House Of Commons can decide what to do. I will come back as i have said and explain what chrisjohnson talking to our colleague on this trip to india. Its interesting because what Boris Johnson is saying is we dont need it does not mean they dont care, i think they really care about whether and trashing democracy and all that stuff. ~. , ,. , stuff. What was interesting is that ust stuff. What was interesting is that just literally stuff. What was interesting is that just literally 24 stuff. What was interesting is that just literally 24 hours stuff. What was interesting is that just literally 24 hours beforehand | stuff. 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Of course i want i scrutiny, its not a problem is striking intervention from steve baker and sp straight about it he is an influential conservative mp and he said the game is up in your time is up and its time for you to go and so what is interesting about this is that where the criticism in the Conservative Party is coming from now is notjust so its not a wing . From now is not ust so its not a win . ,. , from now is not ust so its not a win . , ,. , wing . The numbers are still small who have put wing . The numbers are still small who have put their wing . The numbers are still small who have put their head wing . The numbers are still small who have put their head over wing . The numbers are still small who have put their head over the l who have put their head over the parapet who have put their head over the parapet and said he needs to go and we know parapet and said he needs to go and we know theres a whole chunk of Conservative Mps waiting and watching and Conservative Mps vocally watching and Conservative Mps vocally outwardly supportive of the prime vocally outwardly supportive of the Prime Minister. Where you are getting Prime Minister. Where you are getting the critics popping their head getting the critics popping their head up getting the critics popping their head up one by one in their own time and choosing head up one by one in their own time and choosing is actually spread across and choosing is actually spread across different factions, if you want across different factions, if you want to across different factions, if you want to use that word. Talking about the Prime Minister at the irony is he thousands, it cant get much further away than india and i recall he was there placing him about this. And borisjohnson wanted to be talking about something else. What voters will want to see is the conclusion of the investigation and i think the House Of Commons can decide what to do. Matter and i think people will be able to make a judgement but until then i have to see a lot of this is not very useful. Theres not a lot more i say and what i want to do is focus on the things i think are massive Long Term Benefit to this country and the world. He will now be the first the first part ministered to be investigated for potentially misleading the houses of parliament. That could lead to your resignation. Lets wait and see the outcome the investigation. I am trying to i dont think its that much to ask. Ive been saying consistently for a long time we need to hear what sue grey has to say and if the opposition really want to focus on this issue thats fine. Thats their prerogative. Borisjohnson talking to our colleague on this trip to india. I thought keep your thoughts to yourself. When it comes to that sort of thing. You had been closer and out and about. Its interesting because what Boris Johnson is saying is we dont need to talk about this. If the bigger things to focus on and the big stuff and this is where i want to be business as usual. I was talking to people, real people, spent the last couple of days talking to people and there has been a shift because when i say whats on your mind politically and the things that are playing out and whats bothering you what people are saying now is the Cost Of Living crisis coming up. Thats the first thing that comes up. Back in december at the beginning of this year when details of party gates were emerging and we had those clips the first thing people were saying lets party gates. That is not for a second mean is has not done some damage or mean this has not been significant and we will see what damage it has done to the Conservative Party but i dont get the sense that people are following the twists of whats happening in parliament in the same way any more. Ifeel like this has done some damage and its unscientific whatever damage this has done is already done. At this point. I dont know. Like i say i go out and talk to people. What i think this is as people made their judgement and members of the public were quicker to reach it than mps did. And mps are catching up now on way to the public is at and whats really important politically because it will determine Boris Johnsons political fate but from a public perspective you wonder if its one of those brexit moments where there is a lot of important stuff happening in the public made their mind up about this a long time ago. And they may not be persuaded to move off their original conclusion. There could be Significant Developments yet to come. Beside that is far from over. But i get the sense people reach a conclusion and it does not mean they dont care, i think they really care about whether or not when there youre talking about Everything Else is a lot going on for people right now. Things will get more squished in this studio now that there are no covid 19 rules. Reference to the space. The budget space we have for this podcast. Is this a massive victory for the labour party today . I think its a victory for democracy and the humiliating kind down for Government Grapes who let up until the 11th hour were trying desperately to find a smoke screen to cover for Conservative Mps to avoid doing that democratic duty of holding Boris Johnson to account. Notjust for breaking the rules that he imposed on other people but really pain and sacrifice for them but also the fact that he lied about it and thats no longer in dispute and what became clear today as events unfolded as it was clear the government withdrew its amendment and as it was clear the government said to tory mps you have got a free vote now you can go home for the weekend and it became very clear as one conservative mp after another spoke but what we have been staying at the labour opposition about whats gone wrong and why this matters is notjust a sentiment reflected a quest Opposition Party but lots of these and Conservative Mps stood up and said the same. If this committee of mps finds that borisjohnson has not misled parliament when it comes to what he said about parties will that be the end of it . Do you accept that judgement . It will be about deliberately misleading. We handed it to the committee and that committee especially now that the labour chair has recused himself from any part in the deliberation they will be for Conservative Mps, one labour mp and one snp mp making that decision so we the opposition handed this to a committee at a a conservative majority in good faith. And kris bryant, the chair of the committee stood up today and said in the chamber he has faith in his conservative colleagues and our colleagues on the committee to do the right thing. And i hope they will. For us this was about the principle of democratic accountability to the House Of Commons and the fact that Boris Johnson lied to parliament and lied to the motor is in the question is did he do so knowingly and ive got my own views on that and i think he did knowingly but the question is can we hold him in Contempt Of Parliament and is there enough evidence and he will get a fair hearing. An interesting that you said you were talking about what matters. What point do you think it matters to people . People have been angry about what happened with this saga. Ive been out talking to people in manchester and london and people are not talking to me about this they are talking about the Cost Of Living and other issues. They are not volunteering their outrage right now about whats happening. It seems for a lot of people theyve got other priorities. Is it right that labour is using this time to talk about this when there are other things that people really do care about. I would not dispute what you said about the issues voters care most about. Undoubtedly number one Cost Of Living. Peoples bills are going up, things like food prices, energy prices, they are about to be hit next week. Im not sure that penny has dropped for people. It will lend their payslips lands. That would be another bank in peoples pockets. That is their number one priority. If the number one issue weve been campaigning on in the local election but actually some of the best beaches on this issue came from the conservative benches and a backbench conservative mp in particular said in a time of crisis when there are these big challenges at home and abroad you need someone with a moral authority to lead and that is why not only was he in voting against the government today by planning to until they bottled the boat he was arguing very strongly on the principal and we can do more than one thing at once. Its important that parliament can so i would not want anyone out there to think that because we are talking about Boris Johnsons conduct that we are not talking about the pain people fear in their pockets. He is still here despite their best efforts. Is there a sense in your mind that we have to rely on a practical level on Conservative Mps. You mentioned a few notable examples of people who have lost faith within the party. But other than that you cannot actually get rid of him, can you . I dont think there is a mechanism open to the labour party beyond the General Election and the sooner we have one the better. I think the Conservative Mps are really messing with and i was struck by something today on the today programme before they lifted their motion and basically said Conservative Mps will get a free vote, i went hard on some of my colleagues. I know that there are many decent Conservative Mps who know that borisjohnson is not up to the job. Who know, i said in the end you have got to remember if you dont do your duty to your voters your voters will hold you to account. So, voters have an opportunity on may the 5th to send a message to borisjohnson and Conservative Mps. Conservative mps i would consider friends outside of politics came up to me today and said what you said was really unfair. It really was not. That thing that is dawning on them that they do have a responsibility to speak up and the thing i found most extraordinary and all of this stuff about borisjohnson� s conduct are seriously seeing borisjohnson is the best the Conservative Party has to offer. I say this as a Labour Politician and labour supporter, the Conservative Party is actually the oldest and most electorally successful Political Party in the history of Western Democracy and they do not understand how a party of Winston Churchill and the big figures we have seen across the 20th century have been reduced to this. I want to ask you one thing you mention when you said about how Conservative Mps but that they dont think labour has been that brilliant in all of this. As a plague on both their houses in this sense. I dont think theres a lot of faith across the board. Its not necessary that people are going thank god we have got labour to sort this out. I acknowledge that there is Collateral Damage on democracy generally in a bit of a plague on all your houses. Borisjohnson because of his own conduct has borne the brunt of it and the Conservative Party is bearing a great brunt of it as time goes on. Its really important in this moment for labour to step forward notjust in terms of what we have been seeing on the Cost Of Living but also to put into stark contrast now the contrast between the payment is you could have in keir starmer and the Prime Minister we have in borisjohnson because if the difference between night and day. There is, is someone of decency, integrity, honesty and dedicated his life to Public Service and borisjohnson has been sacked repeatedly throughout his career as a journalist and a front bench opposition spokesperson and pal potentially as Prime Minister. Hes a serial liar. And keir starmer yesterday relied on a Newspaper Reports that he did not check whether it was true or not base his | entire attack on Boris Johnson and| had to withdraw it today because it turned out it was not accurate. Hang on a second. Lets be clear. The conservative letter that went out was a joke as far as i am concerned. It was notjust that he picked up the front page of the Daily Telegraph conservative supporting paper which said borisjohnson smeared the bbc. He heard the bbc challenge a Conservative Minister on the today programme and the minister, he did not say borisjohnson never said that he tried to move the conversation on and it turned out on the flight to india Boris Johnson acknowledge to lobby generalists on the plane with him. My spokesperson got it wrong. Instead of Writing Letters to keir starmer what is he write his own spokesperson. The second thing is it comes back to the contrast and conduct starmer and borisjohnson. The moment the inaccuracy was pointed out what did he do today . He stood up and said this is what i said on wednesday and turns out the spokesperson was wrong and reporting was wrong and i want to correct the record. Thats how its done. We are not perfect and we make mistakes and sometimes the say things in good faith which were proven not to be true. So a nip it in the Bud Straightaway and say sorry. You talk about morality and some of the pressure saying you are putting on Conservative Mps when it comes to borisjohnson. What is and how important is you. Is it a central part of your politics. My christian anglican faith informs my politics. I think sometimes the reluctance to talk about religion and politics and one of the things i find sad sometimes when i talk to people who arent religious sometimes an if an mp is of a particular faith that means theyre going to be voting against their rights on social issues and yet i dont think there is an inconsistency with my own religious beliefs and the way i cast my vote on things like womens rights to choose or lgbt equality which is pretty lucky. Thats why some of the anxiety comes in but certainly when it comes to ethics and morals of course my faith informs maybe was. But that does not mean my colleagues who are not religious dont have a moral compass because i think we develop our values in all sorts of ways and some of it comes from spiritual faith and some of it comes from wider Family Influences and perspectives but i think i would say especially given what we discussed about Collateral Damage to politics i would point out i genuinely think most mps across the House Of Commons are in it for the right reasons and are fundamentally honest decent people trying to do something good for our country. 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Yes, its ok to have a go at him i yes, its ok to have a go at him because i have done that in the past. I think i was angry this week because i felt borisjohnson smeared the Archbishop Of Canterbury when he suggested that the Church Of England had been soft on putin than they had been the government. I think that was deeply unfair and i think he should apologise to the archbishop and to the church. And i also thought it was pretty gross on Easter Sunday for Conservative Mps to be on social media saying with the Archbishop Of Canterbury should or shouldnt be saying in his sermons. If they said that he was bang out of order because this is the right policy, then there are entitled to their view and i dont think people in public life, including religious leaders are beyond criticism, but i genuinely think that what number ten did was smear the Archbishop Of Canterbury and one of the challenges i put down to conservative colleagues this week is how many more institutions in this country are you going to allow borisjohnson . I think theres been a complacency on the part of the Conservative Party by the labour party they are now up against and it is reflected in the way Boris Johnson tries to attack keir starmer through johnson tries to attack keir starmer throutheremy Corbyn Johnson tries to attack keir starmer through Jeremy Corbyn who johnson tries to attack keir starmer Throutheremy Corbyn who doesnt even have the labour whip now. The conservative mp would like to find the same labour party but they went up the same labour party but they went up against in 2019. 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I rainfall this month of april. Gardeners and growers are starting to ask when we are going to see some rain. No significant rainfall this weekend. Quite a lot of cloud around for england and wales first thing and some showers moving through the midlands and down into south wales and south west england. The best of the sunshine further north of that and we could see low cloud and coastal fog lingering on and we could see low cloud and coastalfog lingering on the far northeast. Another breezy day and that means unexposed east coast is going to be cooler at 12 or 13 degrees but with sunshine coming through again at 18 degrees which is not out of the question. More of the same as we go into the second half of the weekend and all the Weather Action is moving its way through france and across the alps and into germany. Plenty of isobars and the charge saw another windy affair and north easterly wind so that should hopefully break the cloud and more sunshine coming through with the exception of the far north east and once again we could see highs of 18 degrees. Enjoy. Tonight at ten, more claims of war crimes in ukraine, as the un says the situation is a horror story for civilians. It comes as Russian Forces are accused of mass killings in the besieged port city of mariupol. Translation they | killed 20,000 people. They did it on purpose. This is what i think. They intentionally prevented people from leaving mariupol. Russias President Putin accuses the Ukrainian Government of not letting troops surrender. Also tonight. In india, borisjohnson vows to deepen trade ties with a post brexit deal by october. A 45 year old german man is understood to have been declared an official suspect in the disappearance of madeleine mccann

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