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bucha, borodyanka, mariupol. so i don't have, you know, it's not about me, it's more about russia. the first asylum seekers could be flown from the uk to rwanda in weeks, according to the british government. the scheme aims to deter people crossing the english channel, but critics say it is inhumane. more than 150 palestinians have been injured in clashes with israeli police at the al—aqsa mosque compound injerusalem. three police officers were hurt at the historic site. joe root has stepped down as england test captain, after his side's defeat by the west indies. appointed in 2017, he holds the record for the highest number of matches and wins as captain. the russian defence ministry has warned it will intensify attacks around the ukraine capital, kyiv, after accusing ukraine of targeting russian border towns. moscow also claims its sea—based cruise missiles have struck a factory outside kyiv which produces anti—ship missiles, including the type which — according to ukraine — hit russia's flagship, the moskva. russia confirmed the 12,000—ton cruiser from its black sea fleet had sunk but says it went down in rough seas as it was being towed to port, after a fire caused its ammunition to explode. from lviv in western ukraine, danjohnson, sent this report. once again ukrainian shelter in fear of aerial attack. this was the red signs and russia said it would target our missile factory. —— air raid russia obviously wants to show its labour power is not diminished despite the sinking of the flagship of the black sea fleet which it said went down after a fire on board. this is a tremendous victory for ukraine, even if they didn't directly contribute to the sinking. and it's an enormous defeat for russia because it indicates that the russian armed forces simply aren't up to snuff in terms of modern military capabilities. this official inspection a few years ago shows the embarrassment of the loss. the ukraine president referred to the sinking in his address on the 50th day of the war. it assures that russian ships can only go to the bottom of the sea. the moskva is already on stamps after it engaged ukrainians who told that we are to go. it is after it engaged ukrainians who told that we are to go.— that we are to go. it is a symbol of resistance- — that we are to go. it is a symbol of resistance. the _ that we are to go. it is a symbol of resistance. the russian _ that we are to go. it is a symbol of resistance. the russian military i resistance. the russian military washer which is named in moscow, very symbolic. it is washer which is named in moscow, very symbolic— very symbolic. it is a boost to ukrainian _ very symbolic. it is a boost to ukrainian morale _ very symbolic. it is a boost to ukrainian morale but - very symbolic. it is a boost to ukrainian morale but there i very symbolic. it is a boost to l ukrainian morale but there are very symbolic. it is a boost to - ukrainian morale but there are fears it to rattle russia and prompt them to more attack. ukraine's president volodymyr zelensky says european countries that continue to buy oil from russia are aiding the country's war against them — and they will have blood on their hands. he's urged western leaders to speed up the delivery of military aid to help ukraine. our correspondent clive myrie is in kyiv and he spoke to president voldymyr zelensky about the conflict. first, he gave us his reflection on spending time with the president. very affable, very charming, he knows how to work the media, let's be clear about that. ifound him also to be at the same time genuine. he has been in office barely three years, and he has having to deal with a conflagration that has completely swallowed up his country. has killed many of his citizens. and he is having to deal with all that and they say that "cometh the hour, cometh the man" and there has been speculation that a former comedian and actor turns out to be their head of state, he has risen to the challenge and that has been recognised by his people here and millions around the world. i found the man to be utterly charming and deeply concerned about the situation this country is in. i could not begin to imagine the pressure that he is under. he looked tired when i first saw him, emotionally drained, and that is after 50 days of war. we have no idea how much longer this will go on for. i could absolutely see why he has garnered the respect of so many people around the world in his handling of this crisis. i could see him physically tense up when he started talking about war crimes and talking about what russian troops are alleged to have done. because he has visited the north—western suburbs behind me here, borodyanka, bucha, he has seen the body bags. i saw his face crumple, i saw him tense up, and it is deeply, deeply painfulfor him. i said directly, are you going to be able to sit across a negotiating table and talk to the head of state or the representative of a nation that is alleged to have committed those kinds of atrocities to your people? he told me it would be very, very difficult but he was willing to try, to try to end this crisis. you get a flavour of that in my interview coming up now. mr president, clive myrie, a pleasure to meet you. it's good to see you. for the entirety of the war, volodymyr zelensky has called this heavily fortified building home in the centre of kyiv. how difficult has it been for you to be here through all this without your family? it's myjob. i have to do it and it's difficult without a family being anywhere. his wife and children are safe at an undisclosed location. his companions here, heavily armed troops, sandbags and mines. at the start of the war they walked around in the darkness here, afraid of russian shelling. it's like our country, like our country is going through the dark. going through the darkness. to the victory, i hope so. as we enter what is labelled the situation room, the president gets a text. from macron. emmanuel macron. he phoned me, we have connections. ok, he dropped you a message, i can say. i do know! he just tried to reach you, my friend. when you have some time, so we are holding up mr macron. yeah. i can see the plus 33, that's paris. yeah. that is true. a few minutes later he returns. his preoccupation, a renewed military onslaught about to begin in the east. are you getting the right weapons you need from the west? translation: we need weapons today so we can fight. _ we cannot wait until some country decides to give or sell us weapons. some have still not decided on this and we cannot wait two or three weeks or a month. the united states, united kingdom and some european countries are helping but we need it sooner, we need it now. is it enough? we don't think so. the priority word is sooner, the priority word is quickly and the priority word, now. he is a president who has been cut off from his people, a citizenry suffering unimaginable horrors at the hands of a ruthless adversary. he is full of hate, he says, for russia's troops and their leaders, gradually limiting the scope for peace talks. how do you sit across the table to try to stop the war? how do you do that? bucha is in this process closing this possibility. bucha, borodyanka, mariupol, so i don't have, you know, it's not about me, it's more about russia. they will not have so many chances. in the long period to speak with us. and what of those european countries despite other sanctions still sending billions to russia in oil and gas revenues? translation: we don't understand how you can make money out of blood. - unfortunately some european countries have done this. before the war began i spoke to chancellor merkel and said, if a full—scale invasion of ukraine happens they will go further into poland and, after that, they will be on your borders of germany. if that happened, would you say to your people it's fine, it's business, it's just business? how do you maintain hope in the future, given everything that's happened? translation: it's not hope, it's certainty. i that you'll win. yes, of course. mr president, thank you. thank you so much. danjohnson has more for us from lviv. the resolve and leadership of president zelensky has been remarkable and yet the search for a political solution, remarkable and yet the search for a politicalsolution, is remarkable and yet the search for a political solution, is that ongoing, do we know of any talks behind the scenes because the human toll and this is plain for everyone to see? absolutely, the human suffering goes on but there are no signs of any sort of peace agreement, even any talks being discussed. the last attempt seem to be the austrian chancellor who was here in kyiv last weekend and then went to moscow to talk to vladimir putin on monday but he came back from moscow looking very pessimistic about any chance of peace talks in the immediate future and the focus instead has been on the military build up of both sides in the east of the country in expectation of the conflict there are intensifying and we have seen some signs of that in the last couple of days. we have also seen these renewed attacks around kyiv and some other cities overnight, even here lviv in which has been very calm and peaceful for the past few days there have been three air raid alerts in the last 2a hours and this is seen perhaps as our retaliation by russia over the sinking of the flagship of the black sea fleet, the moskva, which russia has not accepted is as a result of a missile strike which the ukrainians are claiming but it is very satisfying for the ukrainians to see this flagship go down in the middle of the black sea. what do we know about the attacks around kyiv? there were a handful of attacks noted around the south of the capital city last night and hear raids as well. and this morning there are pictures of our munitions factory near kyiv and russia as claiming it is targeting the factory because it used the missiles used to attack moskva the so why if russia does not admit the attack was by myself are they trying to do this? if they are able to take down the flag shift this is something that ukrainians will be keen to repeat and maybe this is why the russians have decided to take down the facility. we know that there has been further shelling overnight and reports of civilian deaths there. there are reports from mariupol saying that russian soldiers are going around digging up buried dead bodies and preventing the burial of other dead bodies so they can use the mobile crematoria which we understand have been taken into mariupol and that according to local authorities is to cover up the evidence of war crimes committed by the russians in mariupol. how much evidence is there of how much help the ukrainians have had from europe and america and how much more they need? we hear these pleas every day and it is remarkable to hear president zelensky addressed the parliament of almost every nation. he has indeed, he has taken up nation. he has indeed, he has taken up a lot of time doing that too many parliaments and all different sets of lawmakers around the world obviously values the opportunity to speak to them directly and we have seen him tailor the message to each particular parliament, trying to target local heartstrings, using local connections and shared history to try to get and keep that support and try to turn messages of support into actual delivery of weapons because we know that the ukraine defences are holding up reasonably well but they are under constant barrage. the attacks are intensifying in east and the head of the ukrainian military and the president have been adamant in order to keep up that offence the need for fresh supplies of weapons and there are supplies coming up from places like the us, significant delivery of important equipment but the messages it will not last long and the russian parish continues and we know the russian forces are bringing in more equipment to reinforce their positions with the aim of taking cities like mariupol. —— barrage. the ukrainians say that in order to defend against the attacks they need more defence coming in to the country. to the country. hanna shelest is a defence analyst and editor in chief how significant is the sinking of the moskva in your view? first of all, ou the moskva in your view? first of all. you need _ the moskva in your view? first of all, you need to _ the moskva in your view? first of all, you need to understand i the moskva in your view? first of all, you need to understand it i the moskva in your view? first of all, you need to understand it is| all, you need to understand it is not only the biggest ship of the black sea fleet of the russian federation but also the core of the air defence system so they will not be able to attack on the same manner they did before with their ships in they did before with their ships in the black sea. this shepherd a lot of different types and even in the arsenal they should have two nuclear weapons and this had been shooting at not only the odesa course but also central and western ukraine. in terms of how any of this nightmare for your people could be resolved, do you think there is a political solution where ukrainians would accept that some territory goes to russia, because otherwise this conflict will go on potentially for a long time?— conflict will go on potentially for alonutime? ~ ., , a long time? would you accept your neiahbours a long time? would you accept your neighbours would _ a long time? would you accept your neighbours would steal— a long time? would you accept your neighbours would steal your - a long time? would you accept your neighbours would steal your yard? l a long time? would you accept your| neighbours would steal your yard? it does not matter how strong your neighbour. as for no there are discussions we are ready to turn back to the situation of the 24th of february so this latest of crimea and several regions of donetsk and other regions it is not that ukraine is disputable territory, we had an indigenous population who lived there for centuries much earlier than the russians came there are has been primarily ukrainian before the 19505. i been primarily ukrainian before the 1950s. i phoned yesterday by chance my grandfathers fought all in 1952 in donetsk and other towns like kramatorsk ukrainian. i think we should cut away from the russian propaganda. in this case my city of odesa should be russian stop iii propaganda. in this case my city of odesa should be russian stop it that odesa should be russian stop if that is our odesa should be russian stop if that is your position. _ odesa should be russian stop if that is your position, in _ odesa should be russian stop if that is your position, in terms _ odesa should be russian stop if that is your position, in terms of - odesa should be russian stop if that is your position, in terms of the i is your position, in terms of the level of weapons and support that ukraine is getting from its allies, is it going to be enough to really repel the russian forces? we are seeing for example a new russian general has been appointed with a pretty dire record. the general has been appointed with a pretty dire record.— pretty dire record. the general is the au pretty dire record. the general is the guy responsible _ pretty dire record. the general is the guy responsible for _ pretty dire record. the general is the guy responsible for the i pretty dire record. the general is| the guy responsible for the carpet bombing of syria so not the most optimistic development but at the same time there are lots of russian generals with experience and he is one of them. what ukraine needs is we need to understand that the russian federation outnumber ourselves in terms of personnel and equipment so ukraine should be one step forward and half what can defend us first of all but also more sophisticated. we also have a bit of that command and control system because we have been modernising around forces the last eight years according to the nato standards while the russians are still working to the soviet standard but at the same time we should have not only also bit equipment stored somewhere in eastern europe, we should have those weapons that can take out the russian missiles on ukrainian territory. russian missiles on ukrainian territo . ~ . russian missiles on ukrainian territo .~ ., ., ., ., ., russian missiles on ukrainian territo .~ ., ., ., ., territory. what information do you have and what _ territory. what information do you have and what is _ territory. what information do you have and what is coming - territory. what information do you have and what is coming in - territory. what information do you have and what is coming in the i territory. what information do you l have and what is coming in the east in the coming days and weeks? unfortunately we already see evidence of that and a serious assault of the whole line from kharkiv two mariupol. the russians need to show some success by the 9th of may, the vector of the second world war which is symbolic to all russians and which is why they try a bloody assault over there to try to conquer the territory there. also in the near days we will have strikes in odesa as we saw this morning. if odesa comes under renewed attack will you stay there? we odesa comes under renewed attack will you stay there?— will you stay there? we need to understand _ will you stay there? we need to understand it _ will you stay there? we need to understand it would _ will you stay there? we need to understand it would be - will you stay there? we need to understand it would be a i will you stay there? we need to l understand it would be a different type of attack. the russian federation are partly doesn't have sufficient forces to attack a in full. the historical downtown being attacked would also be very bad pr. what we can expect is attacks against the critical infrastructure and is already what is happening and we saw that there were drones trying to find this object. this is why i hope odesa will not see the same as kharkiv. ., , ., , ., . kharkiv. your people and children are killed and _ kharkiv. your people and children are killed and suffer— kharkiv. your people and children are killed and suffer horribly i kharkiv. your people and children | are killed and suffer horribly under western allies give you enough support to hold russia at bay for a bit but it ends up being a stalemate so we are not strong enough for a complete victory are not as russia. in the meantime, without a political negotiation, this goes nowhere other than the suffering of innocent people. than the suffering of innocent --eole. , , , than the suffering of innocent neale, , , , ~' ., than the suffering of innocent --eole. , , , ,, ., than the suffering of innocent --eole. , , , «a, people. this is why ukraine has been 0 en for people. this is why ukraine has been open for negotiation _ people. this is why ukraine has been open for negotiation since _ people. this is why ukraine has been open for negotiation since the i people. this is why ukraine has been open for negotiation since the very . open for negotiation since the very beginning, even on the ground not all these ideas have been accepted positively by their population and remember the negotiations and bella rossin remember the negotiations and bella ross in istanbul —— in —— belarus. . it is already enforceable over here and is not the same situation we had in georgia in 2008. so this should be some big decisions including from the russian side. without some sort of goodwill or understanding that they are losing more than they're getting in this fight, we cannot expect any real change in the situation. . ., expect any real change in the situation-— expect any real change in the situation. . ~' , ., , . situation. thank you very much indeed. according to the united nations 5 million people have fled the war in ukraine. i am million people have fled the war in ukraine. iam not million people have fled the war in ukraine. i am not clear whether that is including the internally displaced as well as those who have fled the country because we know the numbers of both a very high but at least 5 million have fled the war in ukraine 50 days since it started. tensions are high in occupied eastjerusalem as christians, jews and muslims prepare to celebrate easter, passover and ramadan at the same time. there have been clashes between israeli forces and palestinian demonstrators at al aqsa mosque. tear gas has been fired and reports suggest at least 150 palestinians and three israeli policemen were injured. our correspondent yolande knell joins me from jerusalem. give us an update on what has been happening i havejust returned give us an update on what has been happening i have just returned from the old city and what happened this morning was after dawn prayers and is really police said they entered the compound around al asqa mosque to clear away a large demonstration and it was packed with people there for ramadan and some were holding up flags and some missiles were thrown ljy flags and some missiles were thrown byjewish protesters and fireworks were used by palestinian protesters and started using bad times to clear people away. those clashes went on for several hours before hundreds of palestinians were arrested. ——batons. i was able to see muslim worshippers going into al asqa mosque because doors were open for prayers and questions where there for the good friday procession and dues were preparing for a pass over. ——jewish people. when dues were preparing for a pass over. —— jewish people. when there are these ceremonies they can quickly escalate into conflict and politics come at the moment of the concern as it will be short—lived. what is being done to try to keep calm on all sides? the israeli police have said they have a very high presence in a high state of alert across the old city and the prime minister has tweeted everything is being done to restore calm and ensure people can have the holidays but what has happened this morning has led to a lot of condemnation from palestinian officials including hamas in gaza and last may during ramadan problems injerusalem quickly escalated and hamas militants fired rockets at jerusalem and that led to an 11 day full—scale conflict. the fear is another confrontation could flare up very quickly. 395 people are now known to have died in the south african province of kwazulu—natal in the worst flooding in decades. days of torrential rain washed away homes, roads and bridges, prompting the government to declare a state of disaster on wednesday. electricity and water have been restored to some areas, but relief teams are stretched to capacity. earlier i wasjoined by thando lukuko who is the south africa coordinator for climate action network. i asked him what he was hearing and seeing with the effect of these floods. what we are hearing is there is very widespread devastation particularly damage along the coastline as one can imagine with the water being so close. in the city there is varying levels of development. the topography there is quite hilly so there are parts that have been literally swamped we have also been completely flooded and most vehicles are not able to travel. homes have been fairly demolished. there are images of peoples backyards that have been split in two, peoples homes have been split in two parts and it is worse because landscape is quite flat and because i have been floods more recently in south africa and there the ground is quite hard so when the rainfall came it was almost like the rainfall fell on tar roads but this is on gravel roads. mudslides and damags of local bridges and local infrastructure has been quite extensive. as you mentioned the death toll which continues to rise so it is a great cause for concern for us and if anything it positions itself as a great beacon of why we need urgent climate action in south africa and obviously southern africa and other parts of the continent as of the continent as well. in terms of getting help to people, obviously very difficult. is enough being done? that is a difficult one. there is work being done. we know that disaster risk deployed government assets have been deployed to help which is trying to help as much as they

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