the united states of a police officer fatally shooting a black man as he lay face—down on the ground. we'll hear live from grand rapids, michigan. tonight with the context — former labour mp caroline flint, who's in the south yorkshire town of doncaster, and ron christie, republican party strategist who's in our washington studio. 50 days after russian launched its invasion of ukraine, president volodymyr zelensky has told the bbc that european countries still buying russian oil and gas are complicit in moscow's actions, and have blood on their hands. in an interview with my colleague clive myrie, president zelensky said energy payments were funding russia's war machine, allowing civilians to be killed. your present giving russia $1 billion a day for oil and gas. and they've been giving you $1 billion a day... translation: we don't understand how you can make money out of blood. - unfortunately some european countries have done this. before the war began i spoke to chancellor angela merkel and said if a full—scale invasion of ukraine happens, they will go further into poland and after that they will be on the border with germany. if that happened, would you say to your people, it's fine, it's just business? how do you maintain hope in the future, given everything that has happened? it's not hope, it is certainty. that you will win? yes, of course. mr president, thank you. thank you so much. and on he goes. let's have a look at what's happening on the group. we start with mariupol — where, after days of intense fighting, it is not clear who is in control there. russia says it's in control of the city. if captured, it would create a land corridor between russia and crimea. remember, russia illegally annexed crimea in 2014. the city has been surrounded and shelled by russian troops for weeks — this is what it looks like. and it's difficult to verify what is happening — it's been cut off, there's no electricity. people are living underground. the humanitarian cost of russia's siege of mariupol has been huge. ukraine says 20,000 people have died there. ukraine has denied that russia is in full control of the city. and in another development, it looks like the fight might have moved to the sea. ukraine is claiming to have carried out a missile attack on russia's black sea flagship, the moskva, leaving it badly damaged and on fire. the russians admit the moskva — seen here in better times — has been badly damaged but say it followed an explosion on board. what is undeniable is that the moskva is hugely symbolic for russia and national pride. let's speak to general david petraeus, a retired us army general and former director of the cia. you are so you are so welcome you are so welcome to the show, thanks forjoining us. let me begin with the moskva — i know competing their democrat narratives with what happened to it, but how do you understand the significance when you hear and see those narratives? first of all, i hear and see those narratives? first of all. ithink_ hear and see those narratives? first of all, i think it's _ hear and see those narratives? first of all, i think it's very _ of all, i think it's very significant _ of all, i think it's very significant that- of all, i think it's very significant that the i of all, i think it's very- significant that the flagship of of all, i think it's very— significant that the flagship of the black— significant that the flagship of the black sea — significant that the flagship of the black sea fleet _ significant that the flagship of the black sea fleet has _ significant that the flagship of the black sea fleet has caught - significant that the flagship of the black sea fleet has caught fire. i significant that the flagship of the i black sea fleet has caught fire. no matter— black sea fleet has caught fire. no matter how — black sea fleet has caught fire. no matter how it _ black sea fleet has caught fire. no matter how it happened, - black sea fleet has caught fire. no matter how it happened, it's- black sea fleet has caught fire. no| matter how it happened, it's either a sign _ matter how it happened, it's either a sign of— matter how it happened, it's either a sign of incompetence _ matter how it happened, it's either a sign of incompetence of- matter how it happened, it's either a sign of incompetence of the - a sign of incompetence of the sailors, — a sign of incompetence of the sailors, or— a sign of incompetence of the sailors, ore— a sign of incompetence of the sailors, or a sign— a sign of incompetence of the sailors, or a sign of— a sign of incompetence of the - sailors, or a sign of incompetence in terms _ sailors, or a sign of incompetence in terms of— sailors, or a sign of incompetence in terms of sailing _ sailors, or a sign of incompetence in terms of sailing to _ sailors, or a sign of incompetence in terms of sailing to close - sailors, or a sign of incompetence in terms of sailing to close to - in terms of sailing to close to ukrainian _ in terms of sailing to close to ukrainian capabilities - in terms of sailing to close to ukrainian capabilities that. ukrainian capabilities that obviously— ukrainian capabilities that obviously torched - ukrainian capabilities that obviously torched it - ukrainian capabilities that - obviously torched it presumably. ukrainian capabilities that _ obviously torched it presumably. and i obviously torched it presumably. and i should _ obviously torched it presumably. and i should just — obviously torched it presumably. and i should just note _ obviously torched it presumably. and ishould just note by— obviously torched it presumably. and i should just note by the _ obviously torched it presumably. and i should just note by the way, - obviously torched it presumably. and i should just note by the way, a - i should just note by the way, a shout _ i should just note by the way, a shout out — ishould just note by the way, a shout out to— i should just note by the way, a shout out to the _ i should just note by the way, a shout out to the uk _ i should just note by the way, a shout out to the uk which - i should just note by the way, a shout out to the uk which has i shout out to the uk which has provided _ shout out to the uk which has provided anti—ship _ shout out to the uk which has provided anti—ship missiles i shout out to the uk which has provided anti—ship missiles to ukraine, _ provided anti—ship missiles to ukraine, almost— provided anti—ship missiles to ukraine, almost certainly- provided anti—ship missiles to| ukraine, almost certainly they provided anti—ship missiles to - ukraine, almost certainly they were used in _ ukraine, almost certainly they were used in this— ukraine, almost certainly they were used in this case. _ ukraine, almost certainly they were used in this case. there's also - used in this case. there's also significance _ used in this case. there's also significance in— used in this case. there's also significance in this _ used in this case. there's also significance in this will - used in this case. there's also significance in this will push . used in this case. there's also - significance in this will push those ships— significance in this will push those ships further— significance in this will push those ships further offshore. _ significance in this will push those ships further offshore. a - significance in this will push those ships further offshore. a numberl significance in this will push those i ships further offshore. a number of those _ ships further offshore. a number of those ships have _ ships further offshore. a number of those ships have been _ ships further offshore. a number of those ships have been shelling - those ships have been shelling places— those ships have been shelling places like _ those ships have been shelling places like 0desa _ those ships have been shelling places like 0desa and - those ships have been shellingj places like 0desa and mariupol those ships have been shelling . places like 0desa and mariupol — those ships have been shelling - places like 0desa and mariupol — in the case _ places like 0desa and mariupol — in the case of— places like 0desa and mariupol — in the case of 0desa, _ places like 0desa and mariupol — in the case of 0desa, they— places like 0desa and mariupol — in the case of 0desa, they should - places like 0desa and mariupol — in the case of 0desa, they should seej the case of 0desa, they should see less shelling — the case of 0desa, they should see less shelling from _ the case of 0desa, they should see less shelling from the _ the case of 0desa, they should see less shelling from the ships - the case of 0desa, they should see less shelling from the ships that i less shelling from the ships that have _ less shelling from the ships that have been hovering _ less shelling from the ships that have been hovering offshore - less shelling from the ships that. have been hovering offshore until now _ have been hovering offshore until now. ~' . have been hovering offshore until now. " ., ., , have been hovering offshore until now. ~ . ., , , have been hovering offshore until now. ~ . , , now. ukraine was saying they used ne tune now. ukraine was saying they used neptune missiles, _ now. ukraine was saying they used neptune missiles, would _ now. ukraine was saying they used neptune missiles, would that - now. ukraine was saying they used neptune missiles, would that tell. neptune missiles, would that tell you anything about the possibility of whether it was attacked? it you anything about the possibility of whether it was attacked? it would be very plausible. _ of whether it was attacked? it would be very plausible. i _ of whether it was attacked? it would be very plausible. i think— of whether it was attacked? it would be very plausible. i think they - of whether it was attacked? it would be very plausible. i think they are i be very plausible. i think they are torn a _ be very plausible. i think they are torn a bit. — be very plausible. i think they are torn a bit. i— be very plausible. i think they are torn a bit, i think— be very plausible. i think they are torn a bit, i think they'd - be very plausible. i think they are torn a bit, i think they'd like - be very plausible. i think they are torn a bit, i think they'd like to. torn a bit, i think they'd like to acknowledge _ torn a bit, i think they'd like to acknowledge that _ torn a bit, i think they'd like to acknowledge that they- torn a bit, i think they'd like to acknowledge that they have i torn a bit, i think they'd like to. acknowledge that they have done torn a bit, i think they'd like to- acknowledge that they have done this very clearly, — acknowledge that they have done this very clearly, just _ acknowledge that they have done this very clearly, just as _ acknowledge that they have done this very clearly, just as the _ acknowledge that they have done this very clearly, just as the attack- acknowledge that they have done this very clearly, just as the attack on - very clearly, just as the attack on the fuel— very clearly, just as the attack on the fuel depot _ very clearly, just as the attack on the fuel depot over— very clearly, just as the attack on the fuel depot over there, - very clearly, just as the attack on the fuel depot over there, the . the fuel depot over there, the ukrainians— the fuel depot over there, the ukrainians seemed _ the fuel depot over there, the ukrainians seemed a - the fuel depot over there, the ukrainians seemed a bit - the fuel depot over there, the - ukrainians seemed a bit tentative about— ukrainians seemed a bit tentative about whether _ ukrainians seemed a bit tentative about whether to— ukrainians seemed a bit tentative about whether to acknowledge i ukrainians seemed a bit tentative i about whether to acknowledge that ukrainians seemed a bit tentative - about whether to acknowledge that it was their— about whether to acknowledge that it was their attack— about whether to acknowledge that it was their attack helicopters - about whether to acknowledge that it was their attack helicopters and - was their attack helicopters and special— was their attack helicopters and special operations— was their attack helicopters and special operations forces - was their attack helicopters and special operations forces that l special operations forces that carried — special operations forces that carried it _ special operations forces that carried it out, _ special operations forces that carried it out, which - special operations forces that carried it out, which i - special operations forces that carried it out, which i think. special operations forces that carried it out, which i think is| special operations forces that. carried it out, which i think is the consensus — carried it out, which i think is the consensus view. _ carried it out, which i think is the consensus view. they _ carried it out, which i think is the consensus view. they don't - carried it out, which i think is the consensus view. they don't want | carried it out, which i think is the . consensus view. they don't want to antagonize — consensus view. they don't want to antagonize the _ consensus view. they don't want to antagonize the russians _ consensus view. they don't want to antagonize the russians more - consensus view. they don't want to antagonize the russians more than| antagonize the russians more than they need — antagonize the russians more than they need to, — antagonize the russians more than they need to, but _ antagonize the russians more than they need to, but they— antagonize the russians more than they need to, but they do want - antagonize the russians more than they need to, but they do want to. they need to, but they do want to carry— they need to, but they do want to carry out— they need to, but they do want to carry out operations _ they need to, but they do want to carry out operations that - they need to, but they do want to carry out operations that will- carry out operations that will ensure — carry out operations that will ensure that _ carry out operations that will ensure that in _ carry out operations that will ensure that in this _ carry out operations that will ensure that in this case, - carry out operations that will ensure that in this case, the| ensure that in this case, the maritime _ ensure that in this case, the maritime shelling _ ensure that in this case, the maritime shelling is- ensure that in this case, the| maritime shelling is reduced ensure that in this case, the - maritime shelling is reduced and, in that case, _ maritime shelling is reduced and, in that case, the — maritime shelling is reduced and, in that case, the logistics— maritime shelling is reduced and, in that case, the logistics challenges . that case, the logistics challenges the russian — that case, the logistics challenges the russian hat— that case, the logistics challenges the russian hat —— _ that case, the logistics challenges the russian hat —— russians - that case, the logistics challenges the russian hat —— russians havel the russian hat —— russians have will continue _ the russian hat -- russians have will continue.— will continue. there's trouble in mariu ol will continue. there's trouble in mariupol that _ will continue. there's trouble in mariupol that you _ will continue. there's trouble in mariupolthat you mentioned, l will continue. there's trouble in l mariupolthat you mentioned, do mariupol that you mentioned, do you think it's purely a matter of weaponry for ukraine to be able to hold onto that city? it’s weaponry for ukraine to be able to hold onto that city?— hold onto that city? it's more than what bernie _ hold onto that city? it's more than what bernie dash _ hold onto that city? it's more than what bernie dash weaponry, - hold onto that city? it's more than what bernie dash weaponry, its i hold onto that city? it's more than i what bernie dash weaponry, its food and ammunition, _ what bernie dash weaponry, its food and ammunition, and _ what bernie dash weaponry, its food and ammunition, and water. - what bernie dash weaponry, its food and ammunition, and water. that. what bernie dash weaponry, its food | and ammunition, and water. that city has been _ and ammunition, and water. that city has been cut— and ammunition, and water. that city has been cut off— and ammunition, and water. that city has been cut off for _ and ammunition, and water. that city has been cut off for many _ and ammunition, and water. that city has been cut off for many weeks - and ammunition, and water. that city| has been cut off for many weeks now, almost _ has been cut off for many weeks now, almost a _ has been cut off for many weeks now, almost a month— has been cut off for many weeks now, almost a month and _ has been cut off for many weeks now, almost a month and a _ has been cut off for many weeks now, almost a month and a half— has been cut off for many weeks now, almost a month and a half or - has been cut off for many weeks now, almost a month and a half or more i almost a month and a half or more that it's _ almost a month and a half or more that it's had — almost a month and a half or more that it's had no _ almost a month and a half or more that it's had no water, _ almost a month and a half or more that it's had no water, power- almost a month and a half or more that it's had no water, power or. that it's had no water, power or food _ that it's had no water, power or food coming in _ that it's had no water, power or food coming in. so— that it's had no water, power or food coming in. so they- that it's had no water, power or food coming in. so they are - food coming in. so they are probably on the _ food coming in. so they are probably on the edge — food coming in. so they are probably on the edge of— food coming in. so they are probably on the edge of surviving. _ food coming in. so they are probably on the edge of surviving. but - food coming in. so they are probably on the edge of surviving. but the - on the edge of surviving. but the defenders — on the edge of surviving. but the defenders have _ on the edge of surviving. but the defenders have been— on the edge of surviving. but the defenders have been absolutelyl defenders have been absolutely tenacious, _ defenders have been absolutely tenacious, i've _ defenders have been absolutely tenacious, i've described - defenders have been absolutely tenacious, i've described this. defenders have been absolutelyj tenacious, i've described this as the ukrainian— tenacious, i've described this as the ukrainian alamo, _ tenacious, i've described this as the ukrainian alamo, where - tenacious, i've described this as the ukrainian alamo, where thej the ukrainian alamo, where the defenders — the ukrainian alamo, where the defenders literally— the ukrainian alamo, where the defenders literally fought - the ukrainian alamo, where the defenders literally fought to - the ukrainian alamo, where the defenders literally fought to the last man — defenders literally fought to the last man in _ defenders literally fought to the last man in texas. _ defenders literally fought to the last man in texas. that's - defenders literally fought to the j last man in texas. that's what's happening — last man in texas. that's what's happening in— last man in texas. that's what's happening in mariupol, - last man in texas. that's what's happening in mariupol, very- happening in mariupol, very determined, _ happening in mariupol, very determined, and— happening in mariupol, very determined, and it's- happening in mariupol, very. determined, and it's significant because — determined, and it's significant because it _ determined, and it's significant because it ties _ determined, and it's significant because it ties down _ determined, and it's significant because it ties down russian i determined, and it's significant - because it ties down russian forces and would — because it ties down russian forces and would like _ because it ties down russian forces and would like to _ because it ties down russian forces and would like to finish _ because it ties down russian forces and would like to finish this - because it ties down russian forces and would like to finish this off, - and would like to finish this off, focusing — and would like to finish this off, focusing more _ and would like to finish this off, focusing more to _ and would like to finish this off, focusing more to the _ and would like to finish this off, focusing more to the northeast| and would like to finish this off, i focusing more to the northeast for what will— focusing more to the northeast for what will be — focusing more to the northeast for what will be really _ focusing more to the northeast for what will be really a _ focusing more to the northeast for what will be really a pivotal - focusing more to the northeast for what will be really a pivotal fight . what will be really a pivotal fight as the _ what will be really a pivotal fight as the russians _ what will be really a pivotal fight as the russians tried _ what will be really a pivotal fight as the russians tried to - what will be really a pivotal fight as the russians tried to expand i what will be really a pivotal fight i as the russians tried to expand the area that _ as the russians tried to expand the area that they— as the russians tried to expand the area that they control _ as the russians tried to expand the area that they control in _ as the russians tried to expand the area that they control in the - area that they control in the southeast _ area that they control in the southeast. in _ area that they control in the southeast. in fact, - area that they control in the southeast. in fact, i- area that they control in the southeast. in fact, i cannotl southeast. in fact, i cannot overstate _ southeast. in fact, i cannot overstate the _ southeast. in fact, i cannot overstate the significance i southeast. in fact, i cannot - overstate the significance of this looming — overstate the significance of this looming offensive _ overstate the significance of this looming offensive as _ overstate the significance of this looming offensive as the - overstate the significance of this i looming offensive as the russians acknowledged _ looming offensive as the russians acknowledged essentially- looming offensive as the russians acknowledged essentially that - looming offensive as the russiansl acknowledged essentially that they lost the _ acknowledged essentially that they lost the battles _ acknowledged essentially that they lost the battles in _ acknowledged essentially that they lost the battles in kyiv, _ acknowledged essentially that they lost the battles in kyiv, turney- lost the battles in kyiv, turney cave _ lost the battles in kyiv, turney cave and — lost the battles in kyiv, turney cave and sumi _ lost the battles in kyiv, turney cave and sumi —— _ lost the battles in kyiv, turney cave and sumi —— chernihiv, . lost the battles in kyiv, turney- cave and sumi —— chernihiv, without achieving _ cave and sumi —— chernihiv, without achieving their — cave and sumi —— chernihiv, without achieving their objective _ cave and sumi —— chernihiv, without achieving their objective in - achieving their objective in replacing _ achieving their objective in replacing president- achieving their objective in . replacing president zelensky achieving their objective in - replacing president zelensky with a pro-russian— replacing president zelensky with a pro—russian thinker. _ replacing president zelensky with a pro—russian thinker. so _ replacing president zelensky with a pro—russian thinker. so they- replacing president zelensky with a pro—russian thinker. so they are l replacing president zelensky with a . pro—russian thinker. so they are now amassing _ pro—russian thinker. so they are now amassing their — pro—russian thinker. so they are now amassing their forces _ pro—russian thinker. so they are now amassing their forces in _ pro—russian thinker. so they are now amassing their forces in the - pro—russian thinker. so they are now amassing their forces in the eastern. amassing their forces in the eastern area of— amassing their forces in the eastern area of ukraine, _ amassing their forces in the eastern area of ukraine, they've _ amassing their forces in the eastern area of ukraine, they've had - amassing their forces in the eastern area of ukraine, they've had some i area of ukraine, they've had some very modest— area of ukraine, they've had some very modest but _ area of ukraine, they've had some very modest but costly _ area of ukraine, they've had some very modest but costly hard - area of ukraine, they've had some| very modest but costly hard fought gains _ very modest but costly hard fought gains there — very modest but costly hard fought gains there. they'd _ very modest but costly hard fought gains there. they'd like _ very modest but costly hard fought gains there. they'd like to - gains there. they'd like to reinforce _ gains there. they'd like to reinforce those _ gains there. they'd like to reinforce those and - gains there. they'd like to reinforce those and take l gains there. they'd like to - reinforce those and take advantage of the _ reinforce those and take advantage of the terrain— reinforce those and take advantage of the terrain there _ reinforce those and take advantage of the terrain there that _ reinforce those and take advantage of the terrain there that is - reinforce those and take advantage of the terrain there that is much i of the terrain there that is much more _ of the terrain there that is much more advantageous _ of the terrain there that is much more advantageous to - of the terrain there that is muchl more advantageous to offensives of the terrain there that is much - more advantageous to offensives than the terrain— more advantageous to offensives than the terrain up— more advantageous to offensives than the terrain up around _ more advantageous to offensives than the terrain up around kyiv, _ more advantageous to offensives than the terrain up around kyiv, which - the terrain up around kyiv, which you would — the terrain up around kyiv, which you would recall— the terrain up around kyiv, which you would recall is _ the terrain up around kyiv, which you would recall is a _ the terrain up around kyiv, which you would recall is a lot - the terrain up around kyiv, which you would recall is a lot of- the terrain up around kyiv, which you would recall is a lot of urban| you would recall is a lot of urban sprawl, — you would recall is a lot of urban sprawl, literally _ you would recall is a lot of urban sprawl, literally 320 _ you would recall is a lot of urban sprawl, literally 320 square - you would recall is a lot of urban| sprawl, literally 320 square miles in the _ sprawl, literally 320 square miles in the area — sprawl, literally 320 square miles in the area covers, _ sprawl, literally 320 square miles in the area covers, and _ sprawl, literally 320 square miles in the area covers, and a - sprawl, literally 320 square miles in the area covers, and a lot - sprawl, literally 320 square miles in the area covers, and a lot of. in the area covers, and a lot of wooded areas _ in the area covers, and a lot of wooded areas which _ in the area covers, and a lot of wooded areas which were - in the area covers, and a lot of. wooded areas which were helpful in the area covers, and a lot of- wooded areas which were helpful for the defenders — wooded areas which were helpful for the defenders. i've _ wooded areas which were helpful for the defenders. i've been _ wooded areas which were helpful for the defenders. i've been to- the defenders. i've been to southeastern _ the defenders. i've been to southeastern ukraine, - the defenders. i've been to southeastern ukraine, this| the defenders. i've been to- southeastern ukraine, this area is much _ southeastern ukraine, this area is much more — southeastern ukraine, this area is much more open _ southeastern ukraine, this area is much more open and _ southeastern ukraine, this area is much more open and a _ southeastern ukraine, this area is much more open and a lot- southeastern ukraine, this area is much more open and a lot fewer. southeastern ukraine, this area isl much more open and a lot fewer in terms _ much more open and a lot fewer in terms of— much more open and a lot fewer in terms of substantial— much more open and a lot fewer in terms of substantial urban - much more open and a lot fewer inl terms of substantial urban settings. so stopping — terms of substantial urban settings. so stopping the _ terms of substantial urban settings. so stopping the russians _ terms of substantial urban settings. so stopping the russians will - terms of substantial urban settings. so stopping the russians will be - so stopping the russians will be much _ so stopping the russians will be much more _ so stopping the russians will be much more challenging, - so stopping the russians will be i much more challenging, especially so stopping the russians will be - much more challenging, especially if the fields— much more challenging, especially if the fields drv— much more challenging, especially if the fields dry and _ much more challenging, especially if the fields dry and if— much more challenging, especially if the fields dry and if they _ much more challenging, especially if the fields dry and if they are - much more challenging, especially if the fields dry and if they are able - the fields dry and if they are able to get off— the fields dry and if they are able to get off road _ the fields dry and if they are able to get off road with _ the fields dry and if they are able to get off road with their - the fields dry and if they are able to get off road with their tanks . the fields dry and if they are able i to get off road with their tanks and literally— to get off road with their tanks and literally go — to get off road with their tanks and literally go hub _ to get off road with their tanks and literally go hub to _ to get off road with their tanks and literally go hub to hub _ to get off road with their tanks and literally go hub to hub across - to get off road with their tanks and | literally go hub to hub across these fields— literally go hub to hub across these fields and _ literally go hub to hub across these fields and present _ literally go hub to hub across these fields and present a _ literally go hub to hub across these fields and present a real— literally go hub to hub across these fields and present a real massive . fields and present a real massive armour— fields and present a real massive armour to— fields and present a real massive armour to the _ fields and present a real massive armour to the ukrainians. - fields and present a real massive armour to the ukrainians. it’s- armour to the ukrainians. it's fascinating — armour to the ukrainians. it's fascinating to _ armour to the ukrainians. fascinating to hear how you armour to the ukrainians.- fascinating to hear how you see it with the experience that you have. of course we are watching all these of course we are watching all these battles taking place, at times simultaneously, almost a bit like whack a mole, as you sometimes say, in the united states. ron, let me bring you in. do you feel that the united states is delivering everything that it could to help the ukrainians for what they're for? good evening to you. i would of course — good evening to you. i would of course defer to the general on this, but from _ course defer to the general on this, but from a — course defer to the general on this, but from a political standpoint, i can tell— but from a political standpoint, i can tell you that there's a sense in the us— can tell you that there's a sense in the us congress that we aren't doing enough _ the us congress that we aren't doing enough. can we provide missiles, helicopters, enough are meant to the ukrainian _ helicopters, enough are meant to the ukrainian people? here in the us, it's not— ukrainian people? here in the us, it's not only— ukrainian people? here in the us, it's not only a question of military material— it's not only a question of military material being provided to ukraine, but is _ material being provided to ukraine, but is the _ material being provided to ukraine, but is the us, from a political standpoint, doing enough year as well as— standpoint, doing enough year as well as encouraging our nato colleagues and comrades to step up, as well _ colleagues and comrades to step up, as well l _ colleagues and comrades to step up, as well. , ., �* , as well. i understand, i'm seeing that russia's _ as well. i understand, i'm seeing that russia's defence _ as well. i understand, i'm seeing that russia's defence ministry i as well. i understand, i'm seeing | that russia's defence ministry has said that the missile cruiser moskva sank as it was towed back to port in stormy weather. are you surprised by that, general? i’m stormy weather. are you surprised by that. general?— that, general? i'm surprised they admitted it, _ that, general? i'm surprised they admitted it, because _ that, general? i'm surprised they admitted it, because the - that, general? i'm surprised they| admitted it, because the narrative earlier— admitted it, because the narrative earlier today — admitted it, because the narrative earlier today was _ admitted it, because the narrative earlier today was that _ admitted it, because the narrative earlier today was that it _ admitted it, because the narrative earlier today was that it was - admitted it, because the narrative earlier today was that it was being brought— earlier today was that it was being brought to — earlier today was that it was being brought to a — earlier today was that it was being brought to a major _ earlier today was that it was being brought to a major naval - earlier today was that it was being brought to a major naval port i earlier today was that it was being brought to a major naval port on l earlier today was that it was being . brought to a major naval port on the black— brought to a major naval port on the black sea. _ brought to a major naval port on the black sea. near— brought to a major naval port on the black sea, near crimea _ brought to a major naval port on the black sea, near crimea in _ brought to a major naval port on the black sea, near crimea in which i brought to a major naval port on the | black sea, near crimea in which they occupied _ black sea, near crimea in which they occupied in _ black sea, near crimea in which they occupied in 2014 _ black sea, near crimea in which they occupied in 2014. this _ black sea, near crimea in which they occupied in 2014. this is— black sea, near crimea in which they occupied in 2014. this is a _ black sea, near crimea in which they occupied in 2014. this is a rare - occupied in 2014. this is a rare moment of— occupied in 2014. this is a rare moment of truth _ occupied in 2014. this is a rare moment of truth for— occupied in 2014. this is a rare moment of truth for russia. i moment of truth for russia. eventually— moment of truth for russia. eventually the _ moment of truth for russia. eventually the truth - moment of truth for russia. eventually the truth does i moment of truth for russia. - eventually the truth does eventually come _ eventually the truth does eventually come out _ eventually the truth does eventually come out and — eventually the truth does eventually come out and penetrates _ eventually the truth does eventually come out and penetrates moscow, i eventually the truth does eventually. come out and penetrates moscow, as well as— come out and penetrates moscow, as well as everywhere — come out and penetrates moscow, as well as everywhere else. _ come out and penetrates moscow, as well as everywhere else. but - come out and penetrates moscow, as well as everywhere else. but there'sl well as everywhere else. but there's usually _ well as everywhere else. but there's usually some — well as everywhere else. but there's usually some of— well as everywhere else. but there's usually some of narrative _ well as everywhere else. but there's usually some of narrative around i well as everywhere else. but there's usually some of narrative around it, | usually some of narrative around it, and this— usually some of narrative around it, and this seems _ usually some of narrative around it, and this seems a _ usually some of narrative around it, and this seems a bit— usually some of narrative around it, and this seems a bit more - usually some of narrative around it, | and this seems a bit more forthright than we've _ and this seems a bit more forthright than we've seen— and this seems a bit more forthright than we've seen in— and this seems a bit more forthright than we've seen in many— and this seems a bit more forthright than we've seen in many of- and this seems a bit more forthright than we've seen in many of the i and this seems a bit more forthright. than we've seen in many of the weeks preceding _ than we've seen in many of the weeks preceding if— than we've seen in many of the weeks preceding if i— than we've seen in many of the weeks preceding if i can— than we've seen in many of the weeks preceding. if i canjust_ than we've seen in many of the weeks preceding. if i canjust add _ than we've seen in many of the weeks preceding. if i canjust add to - than we've seen in many of the weeks preceding. if i can just add to what i preceding. if i canjust add to what ron said. — preceding. if i canjust add to what ron said. i— preceding. if i canjust add to what ron said, i should _ preceding. if i canjust add to what ron said, i should point— preceding. if i canjust add to what ron said, i should point out- preceding. if i canjust add to what ron said, i should point out that l ron said, i should point out that i did ron said, ishould point out that i did not— ron said, ishould point out that i did not even— ron said, ishould point out that i did not even register— ron said, ishould point out that i did not even register with- ron said, i should point out that i did not even register with a - ron said, i should point out that i| did not even register with a party, much less— did not even register with a party, much less endorse _ did not even register with a party, much less endorse a _ did not even register with a party, much less endorse a candidate i did not even register with a party, much less endorse a candidate or| much less endorse a candidate or contribute — much less endorse a candidate or contribute - — much less endorse a candidate or contribute - i_ much less endorse a candidate or contribute — iwill_ much less endorse a candidate or contribute — iwill certainly- much less endorse a candidate or contribute — i will certainly not i contribute — i will certainly not dispute — contribute — i will certainly not dispute his— contribute — i will certainly not dispute his characterisation i contribute — i will certainly not dispute his characterisation of| contribute — i will certainly not i dispute his characterisation of the political— dispute his characterisation of the political situation, _ dispute his characterisation of the political situation, in _ dispute his characterisation of the political situation, in fact - dispute his characterisation of the political situation, in fact i- dispute his characterisation of the political situation, in fact i wouldl political situation, in fact i would say it— political situation, in fact i would say it is— political situation, in fact i would say it is accurate _ political situation, in fact i would say it is accurate because - political situation, in fact i would say it is accurate because i've i say it is accurate because i've talked — say it is accurate because i've talked to _ say it is accurate because i've talked to the _ say it is accurate because i've talked to the ukraine - say it is accurate because i've talked to the ukraine caucusl say it is accurate because i've. talked to the ukraine caucus of say it is accurate because i've i talked to the ukraine caucus of the senate what— talked to the ukraine caucus of the senate what i_ talked to the ukraine caucus of the senate. what i would _ talked to the ukraine caucus of the senate. what i would point- talked to the ukraine caucus of the senate. what i would point out i talked to the ukraine caucus of the senate. what i would point out is. senate. what i would point out is that the — senate. what i would point out is that the us, _ senate. what i would point out is that the us, with— senate. what i would point out is that the us, with a _ senate. what i would point out is that the us, with a commitmentl senate. what i would point out is- that the us, with a commitment from yesterday of — that the us, with a commitment from yesterday of over _ that the us, with a commitment from yesterday of over $800 _ that the us, with a commitment from yesterday of over $800 million - that the us, with a commitment from yesterday of over $800 million morel yesterday of over $800 million more worth of— yesterday of over $800 million more worth of security _ yesterday of over $800 million more worth of security assistance - yesterday of over $800 million more worth of security assistance from i worth of security assistance from the us, _ worth of security assistance from the us, which— worth of security assistance from the us, which will— worth of security assistance from the us, which will in— worth of security assistance from the us, which will in fact - worth of security assistance from the us, which will in fact includel the us, which will in fact include mi17_ the us, which will in fact include m117 helicopters, _ the us, which will in fact include m117 helicopters, hundreds- the us, which will in fact includel m117 helicopters, hundreds more the us, which will in fact include i m117 helicopters, hundreds more of these _ mi 17 helicopters, hundreds more of these very— mi 17 helicopters, hundreds more of these very lethal— m117 helicopters, hundreds more of these very lethal switchblade - these very lethal switchblade drones. — these very lethal switchblade drones. a _ these very lethal switchblade drones, a number— these very lethal switchblade drones, a number of- these very lethal switchblade drones, a number of heavy. these very lethal switchblade - drones, a number of heavy howitzers plus 40.000 — drones, a number of heavy howitzers plus 40.000 or— drones, a number of heavy howitzers plus 40.000 or so _ drones, a number of heavy howitzers plus 40,000 or so rounds _ drones, a number of heavy howitzers plus 40,000 or so rounds of- plus 40,000 or so rounds of ammunition _ plus 40,000 or so rounds of ammunition to— plus 40,000 or so rounds of ammunition to go _ plus 40,000 or so rounds of ammunition to go with - plus 40,000 or so rounds of ammunition to go with them j plus 40,000 or so rounds of. ammunition to go with them — plus 40,000 or so rounds of- ammunition to go with them — these are very— ammunition to go with them — these are very substantial— ammunition to go with them — these are very substantial commitments, i are very substantial commitments, and again— are very substantial commitments, and again they _ are very substantial commitments, and again they come _ are very substantial commitments, and again they come on _ are very substantial commitments, and again they come on top - are very substantial commitments, and again they come on top of - are very substantial commitments, i and again they come on top of huge commitments— and again they come on top of huge commitments of— and again they come on top of huge commitments of these _ and again they come on top of huge commitments of these javelin - commitments of these javelin anti-tank— commitments of these javelin anti—tank missiles _ commitments of these javelin anti—tank missiles that - commitments of these javelin anti—tank missiles that have i commitments of these javelin - anti—tank missiles that have been improving — anti—tank missiles that have been improving so_ anti—tank missiles that have been improving so lethal— anti—tank missiles that have been improving so lethal and _ anti—tank missiles that have been improving so lethal and the - anti—tank missiles that have beeni improving so lethal and the stinker guided _ improving so lethal and the stinker guided aircraft. _ improving so lethal and the stinker guided aircraft. then _ improving so lethal and the stinker guided aircraft. then you _ improving so lethal and the stinker guided aircraft. then you have - improving so lethal and the stinkeri guided aircraft. then you have what the uk _ guided aircraft. then you have what the uk and — guided aircraft. then you have what the uk and other— guided aircraft. then you have what the uk and other nato_ guided aircraft. then you have what the uk and other nato countries - guided aircraft. then you have what i the uk and other nato countries have done _ the uk and other nato countries have done the _ the uk and other nato countries have done the key— the uk and other nato countries have done. the key frankly _ the uk and other nato countries have done. the key frankly has _ the uk and other nato countries have done. the key frankly has been - the uk and other nato countries have done. the key frankly has been to - done. the key frankly has been to -et done. the key frankly has been to get eastern bloc— done. the key frankly has been to get eastern bloc countries - done. the key frankly has been to get eastern bloc countries that. done. the key frankly has been to . get eastern bloc countries that have at the _ get eastern bloc countries that have at the ukrainians _ get eastern bloc countries that have at the ukrainians most _ get eastern bloc countries that have at the ukrainians most need, - get eastern bloc countries that have at the ukrainians most need, to - at the ukrainians most need, to resuripty— at the ukrainians most need, to resuppty and _ at the ukrainians most need, to resupply and replace _ at the ukrainians most need, to resupply and replace what - at the ukrainians most need, to l resupply and replace what they've lost and _ resupply and replace what they've lost and have _ resupply and replace what they've lost and have damage. _ resupply and replace what they've lost and have damage. because . resupply and replace what they've i lost and have damage. because we don't _ lost and have damage. because we don't have — lost and have damage. because we don't have those _ lost and have damage. because we don't have those systems, - lost and have damage. because we don't have those systems, they- don't have those systems, they literally— don't have those systems, they literally have _ don't have those systems, they literally have a _ don't have those systems, they literally have a different - don't have those systems, they literally have a different calibre i literally have a different calibre of artillery. _ literally have a different calibre of artillery, their— literally have a different calibre of artillery, their tanks - literally have a different calibre of artillery, their tanks are - of artillery, their tanks are differeht_ of artillery, their tanks are different and _ of artillery, their tanks are different and so _ of artillery, their tanks are different and so forth. sol of artillery, their tanks are - different and so forth. so that's what _ different and so forth. so that's what has — different and so forth. so that's what has been _ different and so forth. so that's what has been a _ different and so forth. so that's what has been a big _ different and so forth. so that's what has been a big effort- different and so forth. so that's what has been a big effort so. different and so forth. so that's i what has been a big effort so far, and it's a — what has been a big effort so far, and it's a tiig _ what has been a big effort so far, and it's a big success— what has been a big effort so far, and it's a big success to - what has been a big effort so far, and it's a big success to see - and it's a big success to see slovakia _ and it's a big success to see slovakia give _ and it's a big success to see slovakia give its _ and it's a big success to see slovakia give its —— - and it's a big success to see slovakia give its —— give - and it's a big success to see slovakia give its —— give upi and it's a big success to see . slovakia give its —— give up its eastern — slovakia give its —— give up its eastern bloc _ slovakia give its —— give up its eastern bloc to _ slovakia give its —— give up its eastern bloc to augment - slovakia give its —— give up its eastern bloc to augment the i eastern bloc to augment the ukrainian _ eastern bloc to augment the ukrainian air— eastern bloc to augment the ukrainian air defence- eastern bloc to augment the . ukrainian air defence missiles. eastern bloc to augment the - ukrainian air defence missiles. then we replaced — ukrainian air defence missiles. then we reptaced it— ukrainian air defence missiles. then we replaced it with _ ukrainian air defence missiles. then we replaced it with our— ukrainian air defence missiles. then we replaced it with our system. - ukrainian air defence missiles. then we replaced it with our system. so. we replaced it with our system. so i've we replaced it with our system. so we talked — we replaced it with our system. so we talked to — we replaced it with our system. so i've talked to individuals _ we replaced it with our system. so i've talked to individuals in- we replaced it with our system. so i've talked to individuals in the - i've talked to individuals in the pehtag0h_ i've talked to individuals in the pentagon to _ i've talked to individuals in the pentagon to satisfy— i've talked to individuals in the pentagon to satisfy myself- i've talked to individuals in the pentagon to satisfy myself to i i've talked to individuals in the i pentagon to satisfy myself to go i've talked to individuals in the - pentagon to satisfy myself to go on air like _ pentagon to satisfy myself to go on air like this — pentagon to satisfy myself to go on air like this to _ pentagon to satisfy myself to go on air like this to ensure _ pentagon to satisfy myself to go on air like this to ensure we _ pentagon to satisfy myself to go on air like this to ensure we are - pentagon to satisfy myself to go on air like this to ensure we are doing i air like this to ensure we are doing everything — air like this to ensure we are doing everything we _ air like this to ensure we are doing everything we can. _ air like this to ensure we are doing everything we can. again, - air like this to ensure we are doing everything we can. again, we - air like this to ensure we are doing everything we can. again, we are i everything we can. again, we are over— everything we can. again, we are over $3— everything we can. again, we are over $3 billion, _ everything we can. again, we are over $3 billion, taking _ everything we can. again, we are over $3 billion, taking everythingi over $3 billion, taking everything we've _ over $3 billion, taking everything we've just — over $3 billion, taking everything we've just provided _ over $3 billion, taking everything we've just provided over- over $3 billion, taking everything we've just provided over the - over $3 billion, taking everything we've just provided over the last| we've just provided over the last few months _ we've just provided over the last few months. it's _ we've just provided over the last few months. it's an _ we've just provided over the last few months. it's an enormous . we've just provided over the last- few months. it's an enormous amount. let's see _ few months. it's an enormous amount. let's see what — few months. it's an enormous amount. let's see what happens, _ few months. it's an enormous amount. let's see what happens, president- let's see what happens, president zelensky wanting everything yesterday instead. i zelensky wanting everything yesterday instead. i understand that, i've been _ yesterday instead. i understand that, i've been a _ yesterday instead. i understand that, i've been a commander i yesterday instead. i understand i that, i've been a commander down range, _ that, i've been a commander down range, and — that, i've been a commander down range, and you _ that, i've been a commander down range, and you never— that, i've been a commander down range, and you never have - that, i've been a commander down| range, and you never have enough. there _ range, and you never have enough. there is— range, and you never have enough. there is more — range, and you never have enough. there is more that _ range, and you never have enough. there is more that is _ range, and you never have enough. there is more that is needed, - range, and you never have enough. there is more that is needed, the l there is more that is needed, the question— there is more that is needed, the question is, — there is more that is needed, the question is, is— there is more that is needed, the question is, is everybody- there is more that is needed, the question is, is everybody moving i there is more that is needed, the i question is, is everybody moving the mountains _ question is, is everybody moving the mountains required _ question is, is everybody moving the mountains required to— question is, is everybody moving the mountains required to do— question is, is everybody moving the mountains required to do that? - question is, is everybody moving the mountains required to do that? andi question is, is everybody moving the | mountains required to do that? and i think that _ mountains required to do that? and i think that is — mountains required to do that? and i think that is absolutely _ mountains required to do that? and i think that is absolutely being - mountains required to do that? and i think that is absolutely being done. i think that is absolutely being done. we witt— think that is absolutely being done. we will continue _ think that is absolutely being done. we will continue talking _ think that is absolutely being done. we will continue talking about - think that is absolutely being done. we will continue talking about it, ii we will continue talking about it, i want to thank you so much for coming on and sharing your military expertise with us. here in the uk, the government has announced a radical overhaul of its asylum policy. single men and women who travel to the uk by routes defined as "dangerous" or "illegal" will be sent to rwanda for processing, and eventual resettlement. the royal navy is to take control of policing in the channel, to deter people traffickers, and asylum seekers who do settle in the uk will be more evenly distributed among local authorities. last year, 28,526 people are known to have crossed in small boats, up from 8,401; in 2020. about 600 people made the crossing on wednesday — the figure could reach 1,000 a day in coming weeks, the uk prime minister said. borisjohnson said the plans were designed to combat the people smuggling gangs who had turned the english channel into a watery graveyard. rob watson is our uk political correspondent. the reaction so far to this proposal? 50 the reaction so far to this mammal?— the reaction so far to this proposal? the reaction so far to this --roosal? ., , , ., proposal? so the reaction depends on what side of — proposal? so the reaction depends on what side of the _ proposal? so the reaction depends on what side of the argument _ proposal? so the reaction depends on what side of the argument you - proposal? so the reaction depends on what side of the argument you are. i what side of the argument you are. the pro—government _ what side of the argument you are. the pro—government side - what side of the argument you are. the pro—government side is - what side of the argument you are. the pro—government side is to- what side of the argument you are. j the pro—government side is to say, "come _ the pro—government side is to say, "come on. — the pro—government side is to say, "come on. this— the pro—government side is to say, "come on, this is— the pro—government side is to say, "come on, this is common - the pro—government side is to say, "come on, this is common sense i "come on, this is common sense populism. — "come on, this is common sense populism. vou _ "come on, this is common sense populism. you cant— "come on, this is common sense populism, you can't have - populism, you can't have nearly 30,000 — populism, you can't have nearly 30,000 people _ populism, you can't have nearly 30,000 people turning - populism, you can't have nearly 30,000 people turning up - populism, you can't have nearly. 30,000 people turning up utterly unsupervised _ 30,000 people turning up utterly unsupervised in— 30,000 people turning up utterly unsupervised in small— 30,000 people turning up utterly unsupervised in small boats, - 30,000 people turning up utterly. unsupervised in small boats, risking their lives, — unsupervised in small boats, risking their lives, you've _ unsupervised in small boats, risking their lives, you've got— unsupervised in small boats, risking their lives, you've got to _ unsupervised in small boats, risking their lives, you've got to do - their lives, you've got to do something _ their lives, you've got to do something about _ their lives, you've got to do something about it." - their lives, you've got to do something about it." and i their lives, you've got to do l something about it." and this their lives, you've got to do - something about it." and this they suggest _ something about it." and this they suggest is — something about it." and this they suggest is a — something about it." and this they suggest is a radical— something about it." and this they suggest is a radical proposal- something about it." and this they suggest is a radical proposal which might— suggest is a radical proposal which might deter— suggest is a radical proposal which might deter some _ suggest is a radical proposal which might deter some of— suggest is a radical proposal which might deter some of those - suggest is a radical proposal which might deter some of those people| might deter some of those people from doing — might deter some of those people from doing people _ might deter some of those people from doing people smuggling. - might deter some of those people from doing people smuggling. a. from doing people smuggling. a contrary view _ from doing people smuggling. a contrary view could be _ from doing people smuggling. a contrary view could be summed | from doing people smuggling. a. contrary view could be summed up from doing people smuggling. a- contrary view could be summed up as - the _ contrary view could be summed up as - the five _ contrary view could be summed up as - the five points _ contrary view could be summed up as — the five points they've _ contrary view could be summed up as — the five points they've made, - — the five points they've made, one, that it's _ — the five points they've made, one, that it's inhumane, _ — the five points they've made, one, that it's inhumane, it's— — the five points they've made, one, that it's inhumane, it's incredibly- that it's inhumane, it's incredibly expensive, — that it's inhumane, it's incredibly expensive, there's— that it's inhumane, it's incredibly expensive, there's problems - that it's inhumane, it's incredibly. expensive, there's problems about human— expensive, there's problems about human rights— expensive, there's problems about human rights in— expensive, there's problems about human rights in rwanda, _ expensive, there's problems about human rights in rwanda, it - expensive, there's problems about human rights in rwanda, it might. expensive, there's problems about. human rights in rwanda, it might not work and _ human rights in rwanda, it might not work and it— human rights in rwanda, it might not work and it might _ human rights in rwanda, it might not work and it might be _ human rights in rwanda, it might not work and it might be illegal. - work and it might be illegal. an interesting _ work and it might be illegal. an interesting way— work and it might be illegal. an interesting way to _ work and it might be illegal. an interesting way to split - work and it might be illegal. an interesting way to split people, | work and it might be illegal. an - interesting way to split people, and there's— interesting way to split people, and there's treen— interesting way to split people, and there's been some _ interesting way to split people, and there's been some polling - interesting way to split people, and there's been some polling which. there's been some polling which shows— there's been some polling which shows something _ there's been some polling which shows something like _ there's been some polling which shows something like 60%- there's been some polling which shows something like 60% of. there's been some polling which- shows something like 60% of people who voted _ shows something like 60% of people who voted conservative _ shows something like 60% of people who voted conservative and - shows something like 60% of people who voted conservative and for- who voted conservative and for brexit — who voted conservative and for brexit support _ who voted conservative and for brexit support the _ who voted conservative and for brexit support the idea, - who voted conservative and for brexit support the idea, and i who voted conservative and for. brexit support the idea, and those who voted — brexit support the idea, and those who voted remain _ brexit support the idea, and those who voted remain do _ brexit support the idea, and those who voted remain do not. - brexit support the idea, and those who voted remain do not. we - brexit support the idea, and those who voted remain do not.- brexit support the idea, and those who voted remain do not. we do have local elections — who voted remain do not. we do have local elections coming _ who voted remain do not. we do have local elections coming up _ who voted remain do not. we do have local elections coming up in _ who voted remain do not. we do have local elections coming up in the - who voted remain do not. we do have local elections coming up in the uk, i local elections coming up in the uk, as well, how do you think the timing of this will play into that? i can of this will play into that? i can tell ou of this will play into that? i can tell you that — of this will play into that? i can tell you that i'm _ of this will play into that? i can tell you that i'm sure _ of this will play into that? i can tell you that i'm sure the - of this will play into that? i can tell you that i'm sure the governing conservative — tell you that i'm sure the governing conservative party _ tell you that i'm sure the governing conservative party is _ tell you that i'm sure the governing conservative party is hoping - tell you that i'm sure the governing conservative party is hoping this i conservative party is hoping this will be _ conservative party is hoping this will be absolutely _ conservative party is hoping this will be absolutelyjust _ conservative party is hoping this will be absolutelyjust the - conservative party is hoping this will be absolutelyjust the kind l conservative party is hoping thisi will be absolutelyjust the kind of thing _ will be absolutelyjust the kind of thing to— will be absolutelyjust the kind of thing to get— will be absolutelyjust the kind of thing to get conservative - thing to get conservative politicians _ thing to get conservative politicians and _ thing to get conservative politicians and voters - thing to get conservative - politicians and voters enthusiastic to get— politicians and voters enthusiastic to get up— politicians and voters enthusiastic to get up and _ politicians and voters enthusiastic to get up and vote. _ politicians and voters enthusiastic to get up and vote. and _ politicians and voters enthusiastic to get up and vote. and certainly| to get up and vote. and certainly the instant — to get up and vote. and certainly the instant polling _ to get up and vote. and certainly the instant polling suggests - to get up and vote. and certainly| the instant polling suggests that, that it _ the instant polling suggests that, that it is — the instant polling suggests that, that it is a — the instant polling suggests that, that it is a policy— the instant polling suggests that, that it is a policy that _ the instant polling suggests that, that it is a policy that appeals - the instant polling suggests that, that it is a policy that appeals to| that it is a policy that appeals to people _ that it is a policy that appeals to people who _ that it is a policy that appeals to people who just _ that it is a policy that appeals to people who just think, - that it is a policy that appeals to people whojust think, "well, i that it is a policy that appeals to . people whojust think, "well, we've -ot people whojust think, "well, we've got to— people whojust think, "well, we've got to do— people whojust think, "well, we've got to do something _ people whojust think, "well, we've got to do something about - people whojust think, "well, we've got to do something about this, - people whojust think, "well, we've got to do something about this, it'sj got to do something about this, it's crazy— got to do something about this, it's crazy having — got to do something about this, it's crazy having all _ got to do something about this, it's crazy having all these _ got to do something about this, it's crazy having all these people - crazy having all these people showing _ crazy having all these people showing up _ crazy having all these people showing up in— crazy having all these people showing up in a _ crazy having all these people showing up in a dangerous i crazy having all these people - showing up in a dangerous way," no matter— showing up in a dangerous way," no matter what— showing up in a dangerous way," no matter what you _ showing up in a dangerous way," no matter what you feel— showing up in a dangerous way," no matter what you feel about - showing up in a dangerous way," no matter what you feel about that - matter what you feel about that plate, _ matter what you feel about that plate, we've _ matter what you feel about that plate. we've got— matter what you feel about that plate, we've got to _ matter what you feel about that plate, we've got to do - matter what you feel about that i plate, we've got to do something. and of— plate, we've got to do something. and of course. _ plate, we've got to do something. and of course, the _ plate, we've got to do something. and of course, the other- plate, we've got to do something. and of course, the other chunk. plate, we've got to do something. and of course, the other chunk of| and of course, the other chunk of the population— and of course, the other chunk of the population feels _ and of course, the other chunk of the population feels this - and of course, the other chunk of the population feels this is - and of course, the other chunk of the population feels this is crazy, | the population feels this is crazy, it can't— the population feels this is crazy, it can't work. _ the population feels this is crazy, it can't work, and _ the population feels this is crazy, it can't work, and it _ the population feels this is crazy, it can't work, and it sounds - it can't work, and it sounds horribly— it can't work, and it sounds horribly cruel— it can't work, and it sounds horribly cruel and - it can't work, and it sounds i horribly cruel and inhumane. it can't work, and it sounds horribly cruel and inhumane. rob, thanks so much _ horribly cruel and inhumane. rob, thanks so much for— horribly cruel and inhumane. thanks so much for bringing us up—to—date on some of the politics of particular policy. vickie hawkins is the executive director of medecins sans frontieres — or doctors without borders. we don't think that off shoring will be an effective policy in terms of decreasing the number of risky journeys people are prepared to take to reach the uk. the nationalities and borders bill that is currently making its way through parliament focuses solely on deterrence and punitive measures to prevent people from making regularjourneys to the uk. unless you match that with increasing people's access to safe and legal channels, then they'll just continue to make atomic people are prepared to take risk in order to seek protection. and many people who are trying to reach the uk, they have family links here, they identify with the language. so this is where they see themselves making a future and seeking protection. so no, it also causes incredible harm, both physical and mental to the people who are actually offshore it. and we've seen that through our own work when we've been working on the offshore detention centres that were set up by the australian governments.— set up by the australian governments. set up by the australian covernments. ~ . . ,, ., governments. with that, and i know ou talk governments. with that, and i know you talk about _ governments. with that, and i know you talk about safe _ governments. with that, and i know you talk about safe routes, - governments. with that, and i know you talk about safe routes, the - you talk about safe routes, the government would say this is encouraging people to go by the processes that are there within the legal framework — but also as i understand this particular rwandan proposal who moved to rwanda would be men who would be considered economic migrants, then they would be pushed towards creating a new life in rwanda. what's the problem? so the reason people are applying for asylum in the uk and whether they have a legitimate claim or not cannot be established until they are finished with the process. many people who arrive here, arriving from refugee producing countries such as eritrea, sudan and iraq, two thirds of applications to the home office last year for asylum were seen as legitimate claims. those claims need to be processed, and again, many of those people that make the journey are already incredibly traumatised by the journey, and to put people in a situation of off shoring just exacerbates that trauma. thanks very much. let's go to kigali — and yolande makolo, a spokesperson for the rwandan government. welcome to the context. thank you. i want to begin — welcome to the context. thank you. i want to begin getting _ welcome to the context. thank you. i want to begin getting into _ welcome to the context. thank you. i want to begin getting into some - want to begin getting into some of theissues want to begin getting into some of the issues raised by the proposals. i've heard you say in previous issues that ronda is doing this to help the humanitarian situation, but there are concerns about potentially vulnerable people going to a country where critics say it has a human rights problem. sol where critics say it has a human rights problem. so ijust want to bring you a little of what the us state department said just last year on rwanda's human rights practices. it says... and i could go on, but the un stomach uk has said similar, as well as human rights watch, the human rights council, even british red cross saying they're concerned about sending traumatised people halfway around the world to rwanda. how would you respond?— around the world to rwanda. how would you respond? you're describing a count i would you respond? you're describing a country i do — would you respond? you're describing a country i do not _ would you respond? you're describing a country i do not recognise. - would you respond? you're describing a country i do not recognise. we - a country i do not recognise. we have _ a country i do not recognise. we have strong _ a country i do not 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with the un cr, the african- in other countries. we've worked i with the un cr, the african union, and with— with the un cr, the african union, and with funding _ with the un cr, the african union, and with funding from _ with the un cr, the african union, and with funding from european i and with funding from european countries — and with funding from european countries we _ and with funding from european countries. we have _ and with funding from european countries. we have a _ and with funding from european countries. we have a strong - and with funding from european i countries. we have a strong record of working — countries. we have a strong record of working with _ countries. we have a strong record of working with refugees. - countries. we have a strong record of working with refugees. there i countries. we have a strong record of working with refugees. there have been rwandan _ of working with refugees. there have been rwandan refugees _ of working with refugees. there have been rwandan refugees who - of working with refugees. there have been rwandan refugees who have i of working with refugees. there have l been rwandan refugees who have fled to the uk as well, due to political persecution. but i want to open this up persecution. but i want to open this up to our panel, as well. caroline, you've been following this all day, what are your thoughts? it's a different type of policy, i think there is around four countries in the world who do this, most well known as australia. i think it is far from straightforward as to how this will work, because pretty much every other initiative by government to deal with the situation of people crossing the channel has basically failed. it will undoubtedly be challenged in the courts — but i thinkjust stepping back a little bit from this, and i think rob picked up in his comments earlier, there is no doubt that nobody wants to see people harm to, no one wants to see people harm to, no one wants to see these capsized — i think 27 people died last autumn — but also there is a concern amongst the british public about these illegal roots, and particularly the organised crime routes behind this. so i think we have to think about, just what do we do? cooperation with the french is really important, is there a way to assess people before they actually get into these boats and get into some bilateral agreement with the french on this? but i think it's very difficult, looking at this one issue which is affecting— we see it on our tv screens here in the uk, when actually we know there's hundreds of thousands of people in refugee camps around the world where i think actually the uk could be doing more. but it is really difficult, we've yet to see whether it'll actually work, but i think in the run—up to local elections, will it be a decisive factor? i don't think so, there are other things commanding there are other things commanding the british public�*s attention, and on top of that is the cost of living. on top of that is the cost of livina. ,, ~' living. do you think it will actually _ living. do you think it will actually go _ living. do you think it will actually go ahead, - living. do you think it will actually go ahead, this i living. do you think it will- actually go ahead, this proposal? the government still has a majority, so whatever happens in the house of lords, they've still got a majority in the house of commons. but in one way, if they are defeated in the house of commons, then it's the messaging that sends out to the public who want something done on this issue about those parties or individuals in the house of commons or in the house of lords who may seek to frustrate this. at the end of the day, i think some of the people advising the government say whether it happens or not, it's not a bad situation to flag this is a policy they'd like to pursue. thanks for that. i policy they'd like to pursue. thanks for that- i just _ policy they'd like to pursue. thanks for that. ijust have _ policy they'd like to pursue. thanks for that. ijust have about - policy they'd like to pursue. thanks for that. i just have about 40 - for that. ijust have about a0 seconds for you, but how many people do you think rwanda could take now? the government here says it'll be tens of thousands in the coming years, is that how you see it? irate years, is that how you see it? we are expecting thousands here, and i'd are expecting thousands here, and i'd like _ are expecting thousands here, and i'd like to— are expecting thousands here, and i'd like to correct _ are expecting thousands here, and i'd like to correct caroline - are expecting thousands here, and i'd like to correct caroline on - i'd like to correct caroline on this- — i'd like to correct caroline on this- this— i'd like to correct caroline on this- this is— i'd like to correct caroline on this— this is a _ i'd like to correct caroline on this— this is a brand—new- i'd like to correct caroline on - this— this is a brand—new approach that's— this— this is a brand—new approach that's never— this— this is a brand—new approach that's never been _ this— this is a brand—new approach that's never been tried _ this— this is a brand—new approach that's never been tried before, - that's never been tried before, there _ that's never been tried before, there are — that's never been tried before, there are not _ that's never been tried before, there are not four— that's never been tried before, there are not four countries . that's never been tried before, i there are not four countries doing this _ there are not four countries doing this it _ there are not four countries doing this it is — there are not four countries doing this it is a — there are not four countries doing this. it is a new— there are not four countries doing this. it is a new approach - there are not four countries doing this. it is a new approach to - this. it is a new approach to protect— this. it is a new approach to protect people and - this. it is a new approach to protect people and offer- this. it is a new approach to i protect people and offer them this. it is a new approach to - protect people and offer them an opportunity— protect people and offer them an opportunity to— protect people and offer them an opportunity to live _ protect people and offer them an opportunity to live within - protect people and offer them an opportunity to live within our- opportunity to live within our communities, _ opportunity to live within our communities, supported - opportunity to live within our communities, supported by. opportunity to live within our- communities, supported by funding by the uk _ communities, supported by funding by the uk government. _ communities, supported by funding by the uk government. i’ll— communities, supported by funding by the uk government.— the uk government. i'll 'ust pop in there, the uk government. i'll 'ust pop in there. there * the uk government. i'll 'ust pop in there, there was t the uk government. i'll 'ust pop in there, there was a _ the uk government. i'lljust pop in there, there was a programme - the uk government. i'lljust pop in| there, there was a programme with israel we believe, but it didn't work out, there were lots of people who came from israel and left pretty soon after. there was also meant to be some interaction with denmark, i know you were saying there is not that, but there might have been reports of that today when it came to rwanda. thank you so much for joining us, to stay with us on bbc news as you watch the context, we love to have your company. lots more stories coming up with ron and caroline. stay tuned to bbc news. hello. overall, a lot of dry weather this easter weekend. there is an east—west split across the uk, though. for many, the skies will be like this, not clear blue, but there will be some warm, sunny skies coming through. but the further west you are, you will be closer to atlantic weather fronts trying to come in — so the cloudier skies here and the chance of seeing a little rain at times, whereas further to the east, you're closer to high pressure, for now, keeping these atlantic weather fronts from sweeping right across the uk, and giving the driest, most settled weather, the warmest sunny spells and eastern areas. for much of the weekend, airfrom the south, temperatures above average, though turning cooler on easter monday. this is how things are looking through tonight — well, again, closer to atlantic weather fronts, the cloudier skies will be in western areas, a little bit of patchy rain here and there. quite misty and murky across much of wales and southwest england by morning. elsewhere, clear spells, a chance a few fog patches here and there, no frost is expected throughout this weekend. so tomorrow, the cloudier skies, southwest england, wales, northern ireland, southwest scotland could see a bit of light rain or drizzle, few heavy showers may push into northern ireland, could stay misty around some coasts. throughout the rest of scotland and england, there is a chance of a shower, the vast majority will stay dry — and it's a warmer day, 17 celsius in glasgow, near 20 celsius in northern england, up to 22 celsius in southeast england. and saturday — again, there's a lot of dry weather, a mixture of clouds, some sunny spells where the cloud is thick enough, you may get a shower or a few spots of rain. the weather friends getting closer to northern ireland and the western aisles later in the day, breezier conditions, and the chance at seeing some rain. this weather front has my success by easter sunday by coming into the uk, rather than being held at bay to our west. whilst there's still some uncertainty about how far into the uk it'll come, it does look as if it's most likely we will get some rain into northern ireland, parts of scotland, especially into the west on easter sunday. but some of that rain mayjust fringe into parts of wales and the western side of englan — whereas to the head of that, you make get a shower, but to the central eastern parts of england, this is where we're most likely to continue with the warm, sunny spells. this system, with some degree of uncertainty about its progress, looks like it will push on through sunday night and into monday. following on behind on monday, chance of shower, a lot of fine weather around, turning cooler — could be quite windy, though, and with rain in northern scotland. hello, i'm nuala mcgovern. you're watching the context on bbc news. a message of defiance, as ukraine's president talks to the bbc. they can destroy us, but we'll answer. they can kill us, and they will also die. i can't understand for what. attempts to find survivors of south africa's unprecedented floods continue. with 3a0 people dead and ai,000 affected by the flooding, the president blames climate change for the disaster. us police release a video of a white officer fatally shooting a black man in the back of the head after a scuffle over a stun gun. tonight with the context, former labour mp caroline flint who's in the south yorkshire town of doncaster, and ron christie, republican party strategist who's in our washington studio. attempts are continuing in the south african province of kwazulu—natal to find scores of people missing after the worst flooding in decades. 3a0 people died after torrential rain saw buildings, roads and bridges washed away. electricity and water has been restored to some areas, but authorities are urging patience with relief teams stretched to capacity. president cyril ramaphosa has blamed climate change for the disaster. let's bring in michael mann, a climate scientist and director of the earth system science centre, penn state university. can we know whether these floats are directly related to climate change? i know the president has said they are. —— these floods. it is i know the president has said they are. -- these floods.— are. -- these floods. it is a tragedy. — are. -- these floods. it is a tragedy. and _ are. -- these floods. it is a tragedy, and it _ are. -- these floods. it is a tragedy, and it has - are. -- these floods. it is a tragedy, and it has been i are. -- these floods. it is a i tragedy, and it has been made are. -- these floods. it is a - tragedy, and it has been made worse by climate change. we can say these events are more extreme than they would have been without the human caused warming up of the planet. at some point it is basic physics, a warmer atmosphere holds more moisture, so when you get rainfall, you get more of it in shorter periods. that is what we are seeing, unprecedented flooding, two centimetres of rain fell per hour for 2a hours. the sort of event coming much more widespread, we see it in the us and europe, and in africa. , . . , ., , . it in the us and europe, and in africa. , . . , africa. cyril ramaphosa calling it climate change. _ africa. cyril ramaphosa calling it climate change. do _ africa. cyril ramaphosa calling it climate change. do you - africa. cyril ramaphosa calling it climate change. do you feel- africa. cyril ramaphosa calling it climate change. do you feel it i africa. cyril ramaphosa calling it climate change. do you feel it is| africa. cyril ramaphosa calling it. climate change. do you feel it is a commitment by his government to tackle it or maybe adapt, one of the words we often use when we talk about dealing with climate change? we do have to invest in resilience. we do have to invest in resilience. we have to help people adapt to those changes that are now inevitable. a certain amount of climate damage is now baked in, and we are going to see more of these extreme weather events and floods, no matter what we do. but we need to prevent it from getting worse, which requires mitigation, and us getting rid of fossil fuels as quickly as we can. in south africa, as many other countries, need to do more, because adaptation alone is not going to be adequate to keep us insulated from the increasingly damaging impacts of climate change.— climate change. south africa often suffered power— climate change. south africa often suffered power cuts, _ climate change. south africa often suffered power cuts, energy - climate change. south africa often l suffered power cuts, energy issues. they are dealing with a lot of issues. who is a top two to change the reliance on fossil fuels? what path would you map out for them? they need to invest in clean energy infrastructure. a system that is more resilient, not subject to the fluctuations we see with fossil fuel grids. microgrids, renewable energy, wind and solar, geothermal driven energy. that is the path we need to follow around the world. including africa. it's a path to greater prosperity and to keeping a liveable planet, frankly. prosperity and to keeping a liveable planet. frankly-— prosperity and to keeping a liveable planet, frankly. michael, some might find it unfair— planet, frankly. michael, some might find it unfair in _ planet, frankly. michael, some might find it unfair in some _ planet, frankly. michael, some might find it unfair in some ways _ planet, frankly. michael, some might find it unfair in some ways that - planet, frankly. michael, some might find it unfair in some ways that so - find it unfair in some ways that so many across africa have pretty low emissions but are suffering so much because of emissions in other parts of the world. what would you say to that? ., �* , of the world. what would you say to that? . �*, , that? that's absolutely true. there are many parts _ that? that's absolutely true. there are many parts of— that? that's absolutely true. there are many parts of africa _ that? that's absolutely true. there are many parts of africa with - that? that's absolutely true. there are many parts of africa with a - that? that's absolutely true. there are many parts of africa with a low| are many parts of africa with a low standard of living and low usage of energy. these are people who are most prone to the damaging impacts of climate change and they have the least wealth and resilience, so they are most impacted by these increasingly extreme weather events, and yet they did the least to create this problem in the first. it's the western world, the us, europe, industrial countries, who have created this problem. and it's on us to lead in decarbonising the world economy and providing assistance for example to countries in africa that need to cope with the impact they are already dealing with, and don't have the infrastructure and the resilience that we have in the west. ron, let me turn to you. going back to the war in ukraine as well, because we are seeing high energy prices, sometimes tied to the conflict. we saw an ethanol blend being allowed in the us to bring down gas prices. something people feel is not as clean as it should be for a source of fuel. [30 feel is not as clean as it should be for a source of fuel.— for a source of fuel. do you think climate change _ for a source of fuel. do you think climate change has _ for a source of fuel. do you think climate change has been - for a source of fuel. do you think climate change has been put - for a source of fuel. do you think i climate change has been put on the back burner— climate change has been put on the back burner with the world events taking _ back burner with the world events taking place? i do. in the us, americans— taking place? i do. in the us, americans are so focused on inflation _ americans are so focused on inflation and the impact of inflation, and the fact wages have not risen. — inflation, and the fact wages have not risen, to really compete with the level— not risen, to really compete with the level of inflation in the us. we do have _ the level of inflation in the us. we do have wage growth but it's not enough — do have wage growth but it's not enough to— do have wage growth but it's not enough to counterbalance and counteract the impact of inflation that we _ counteract the impact of inflation that we haven't seen in the us since 1981~_ that we haven't seen in the us since i981~ into— that we haven't seen in the us since 1981. into the election, i think inflation — 1981. into the election, i think inflation and crime and what's going on in _ inflation and crime and what's going on in ukraine are a lot of the issues — on in ukraine are a lot of the issues bringing president biden's poll numbers down. i think the climate — poll numbers down. i think the climate is _ poll numbers down. i think the climate is important to focus on, but certainly not something is top of the mind — certainly not something is top of the mind. when we talk about climate and getting to zero carbon or reducing _ and getting to zero carbon or reducing carbon emissions, one thing left out _ reducing carbon emissions, one thing left out of— reducing carbon emissions, one thing left out of the conversation is the fact that — left out of the conversation is the fact that the chinese and the indians— fact that the chinese and the indians are still burning and emitting, they are doing so much. we talk emitting, they are doing so much. talk about emitting, they are doing so much. - talk about western europe and the us, but we need to look at our friends around the world and say they need to step up as well. caroline, cop26 was less than a year ago, do you feel it put down proper routes for people dealing with climate change in a different way? or has it somehow been forgotten in some _ or has it somehow been forgotten in some respects? _ or has it somehow been forgotten in some respects? energy— or has it somehow been forgotten in some respects? energy prices- or has it somehow been forgotten in some respects? energy prices are i some respects? energy prices are going — some respects? energy prices are going up. _ some respects? energy prices are going up. the — some respects? energy prices are going up. the cost— some respects? energy prices are going up, the cost of— some respects? energy prices are going up, the cost of living - some respects? energy prices are going up, the cost of living goingi going up, the cost of living going out. going up, the cost of living going out but— going up, the cost of living going out but what— going up, the cost of living going out. but what is _ going up, the cost of living going out. but what is encouraging - going up, the cost of living going out. but what is encouraging in. going up, the cost of living going i out. but what is encouraging in the uk, out. but what is encouraging in the uk. the _ out. but what is encouraging in the uk. the shift — out. but what is encouraging in the uk, the shift that— out. but what is encouraging in the uk, the shift that has— out. but what is encouraging in the uk, the shift that has happened i out. but what is encouraging in the| uk, the shift that has happened for the majority— uk, the shift that has happened for the majority of— uk, the shift that has happened for the majority of the _ uk, the shift that has happened for the majority of the public _ uk, the shift that has happened for the majority of the public from - the majority of the public from all sorts _ the majority of the public from all sorts of— the majority of the public from all sorts of backgrounds, _ the majority of the public from all sorts of backgrounds, different i sorts of backgrounds, different communities, _ sorts of backgrounds, different communities, there _ sorts of backgrounds, different communities, there has - sorts of backgrounds, different communities, there has been i communities, there has been a greater— communities, there has been a greater understanding - communities, there has been a greater understanding of- greater understanding of climate change _ greater understanding of climate change and — greater understanding of climate change and how— greater understanding of climate change and how it _ greater understanding of climate change and how it affects - greater understanding of climate change and how it affects us. - greater understanding of climate j change and how it affects us. we have _ change and how it affects us. we have experienced _ change and how it affects us. we have experienced in— change and how it affects us. we have experienced in the - change and how it affects us. we have experienced in the uk- change and how it affects us. we - have experienced in the uk floods as well, have experienced in the uk floods as well. we _ have experienced in the uk floods as well. we have — have experienced in the uk floods as well, we have seen— have experienced in the uk floods as well, we have seen short _ have experienced in the uk floods as well, we have seen short episodes i have experienced in the uk floods as| well, we have seen short episodes of violent— well, we have seen short episodes of violent extreme _ well, we have seen short episodes of violent extreme weather. _ well, we have seen short episodes of violent extreme weather. i— well, we have seen short episodes of violent extreme weather. i think - violent extreme weather. i think that is— violent extreme weather. i think that is good. _ violent extreme weather. i think that is good, and _ violent extreme weather. i think that is good, and one _ violent extreme weather. i think that is good, and one of- violent extreme weather. i think that is good, and one of the - violent extreme weather. i think i that is good, and one of the issues that is good, and one of the issues that has— that is good, and one of the issues that has come _ that is good, and one of the issues that has come out— that is good, and one of the issues that has come out of— that is good, and one of the issues that has come out of ukraine is - that has come out of ukraine is energy— that has come out of ukraine is energy security. _ that has come out of ukraine is energy security, and _ that has come out of ukraine is energy security, and not - that has come out of ukraine is energy security, and not being| energy security, and not being reliant— energy security, and not being reliant on— energy security, and not being reliant on fossil— energy security, and not being reliant on fossil fuels. - energy security, and not being reliant on fossil fuels. out - energy security, and not being reliant on fossil fuels. out of. energy security, and not being. reliant on fossil fuels. out of that can come — reliant on fossil fuels. out of that can come a — reliant on fossil fuels. out of that can come a broader— reliant on fossil fuels. out of that can come a broader message - reliant on fossil fuels. out of that i can come a broader message about reliant on fossil fuels. out of that - can come a broader message about the need to— can come a broader message about the need to make _ can come a broader message about the need to make these _ can come a broader message about the need to make these changes— can come a broader message about the need to make these changes to - can come a broader message about the need to make these changes to a - can come a broader message about the need to make these changes to a more j need to make these changes to a more low-carbon _ need to make these changes to a more low-carbon way — need to make these changes to a more low-carbon way of _ need to make these changes to a more low—carbon way of living. _ need to make these changes to a more low—carbon way of living. but - low-carbon way of living. but important — low-carbon way of living. but important to _ low—carbon way of living. important to recognise low—carbon way of living.@ important to recognise there low—carbon way of living.- important to recognise there are countries around the world across africa, south africa, who are not the bad guys in terms of the emissions, and they need our help to make the transition. fine emissions, and they need our help to make the transition.— make the transition. one brought up china and india. _ make the transition. one brought up china and india. how— make the transition. one brought up china and india. how would - make the transition. one brought up china and india. how would you - make the transition. one brought up china and india. how would you rate| china and india. how would you rate their progress following cop26? russia's aggression in ukraine is a product of our historical reliance on fossil fuels, we product of our historical reliance on fossilfuels, we have popped up authoritarian dictatorships like russia, petro states, because of our reliance on their oil and gas. russia is using that as a cudgel to prevent taking greater sanctions against them. if anything emphasises the dangers of our continued reliance on fossil fuels aside from the climate crisis, it's what we are seeing play out right now in ukraine. the other point, china, under the obama administration there was a bilateral agreement between china and the us, and china exceeded their commitments under that commitment, and under paris, but then donald trump came in and said he was withdrawing from the paris record, and try china and india and a bunch of other countries backed off their commitments. that a bunch of other countries backed off their commitments.— off their commitments. that tells us, as off their commitments. that tells us. as the — off their commitments. that tells us, as the worlds _ off their commitments. that tells us, as the worlds largest - off their commitments. that tells i us, as the worlds largest cumulative emitter of carbon pollution, the us has put more carbon into the atmosphere than any other country. we need to lead on this issue, and then other countries come to the table. michigan is on edge for an all—too familiar reason. on wednesday, authorities released a police video of a white officer fatally shooting a black man, patrick lyoya, in the back of the head, after a scuffle over a stun gun or taser. the altercation took place earlier this month, and arose from a seemingly routine traffic stop. on wednesday, protesters took to the streets and more are expected. today, attorney ben crump, who is representing mr lyoya's family, described the shooting at a press conference. what you see in that video was unnecessary and unjustifiable. excessive use of fatal force. you see a police officer escalate a minor traffic stop into a deadly execution. joining me now from grand rapids is clejjackson, president of the greater grand rapids naacp, and carlton t mayers, esquier, a special adviser for public safety with the greater grand rapids naacp. thank you forjoining us. cl e, you have said this is not a one—time issue, a distressing incident, we have seen the footage. many would think after so many discussions and soul—searching over the past couple of years, the black lives matter movement after the death of george floyd for example, also a black man killed by a police officer, that we would be in a different place now in the us. what do you think this incident represents?— the us. what do you think this incident represents? thanks for takin: incident represents? thanks for taking time _ incident represents? thanks for taking time out _ incident represents? thanks for taking time out to _ incident represents? thanks for taking time out to have - incident represents? thanks for taking time out to have a - taking time out to have a conversation around this horrific incident. i also want to reaffirm that we are standing with the family and sending our condolences to them. again, it represents in our opinion, years and years, decades of the gross harassment, racial profiling and bullying, not only in grand rapids law enforcement, but this is what it looks like for law enforcement agencies across the country. and that's unfortunate. we, the urban league, the naacp, the national action networks and other underground movements, black lives matter, all of these organisations and individuals, because each organisation is represented by individuals... to bring about reform, and laserfocusing on how we actually improve the relationship between community and police... and so now we are here again today, unfortunately, with the killing of patrick, a 26—year—old black man, clearly in our opinion it was not justifiable, it was excessive. it has to stop, something has to be done. as the mother of breonna taylor said at a press conference, it is, how many of our babies will have to be murdered by police and local law enforcement before we do something meaningful?— local law enforcement before we do something meaningful? carlton, what do ou think something meaningful? carlton, what do you thinkjustice _ something meaningful? carlton, what do you thinkjustice would _ something meaningful? carlton, what do you thinkjustice would look- something meaningful? carlton, what do you thinkjustice would look like i do you thinkjustice would look like in this case for you at the moment? thank you for having us. in my opinion. — thank you for having us. in my opinion. i_ thank you for having us. in my opinion, i think number one, the officer— opinion, i think number one, the officer involved in this incident needs— officer involved in this incident needs to — officer involved in this incident needs to be terminated immediately from the _ needs to be terminated immediately from the grand rapids police department, he is in direct violation _ department, he is in direct violation of several grand rapids police _ violation of several grand rapids police department policies, including use of force, firearm policy. — including use of force, firearm policy. the _ including use of force, firearm policy, the body worn camera policy. that alone _ policy, the body worn camera policy. that alone is — policy, the body worn camera policy. that alone is enough justification for the _ that alone is enough justification for the new police chief to do the right— for the new police chief to do the right thing. he hasjust started as a new— right thing. he hasjust started as a new police chief. this could be a moment— a new police chief. this could be a moment for— a new police chief. this could be a moment for him to put out a good impression — moment for him to put out a good impression with the community that he is supporting them, and not supporting toxic police culture, that exists within the grand rapids police _ that exists within the grand rapids police department. he needs to be fired _ police department. he needs to be fired. numbertwo, the police police department. he needs to be fired. number two, the police chief needs— fired. number two, the police chief needs to _ fired. number two, the police chief needs to initiate the decertification process, which essentially says they would take away _ essentially says they would take away his — essentially says they would take away his licence to be able to be a police officer anywhere in the state of michigan. that way we can ensure this never— of michigan. that way we can ensure this never happens again, at least not on _ this never happens again, at least not on that— this never happens again, at least not on that officer. we have seen that with — not on that officer. we have seen that with mike brown, officers were investigated and they went to another— investigated and they went to another police department with no accountability. are another police department with no accountability.— another police department with no accountability. are you hopeful that ou will, accountability. are you hopeful that you will. and _ accountability. are you hopeful that you will, and for— accountability. are you hopeful that you will, and for the _ accountability. are you hopeful that you will, and for the family - accountability. are you hopeful that you will, and for the family of - you will, and for the family of course, get what you believe is justice in this case? are we in a new environment even after all those terrible killings that went before? i do believe there can be justice. if i do believe there can be justice. if we _ i do believe there can be justice. if we look— i do believe there can be justice. if we look at the george floyd trial that resulted in the conviction of derek— that resulted in the conviction of derek shows an. we saw the attorney general— derek shows an. we saw the attorney general literally put his foot into that investigation and prosecution, he oversaw— that investigation and prosecution, he oversaw the whole thing and made sure there _ he oversaw the whole thing and made sure there was transparency to the point _ sure there was transparency to the point that— sure there was transparency to the point that they could be with the community, and he ensured justice at the end of— community, and he ensured justice at the end of the day. to this day, the community— the end of the day. to this day, the community greatly appreciates him and the _ community greatly appreciates him and the attorneys that worked on the case _ and the attorneys that worked on the case that _ and the attorneys that worked on the case. that could also happen in michigan — case. that could also happen in michiaan. ., , michigan. one of the things i said last evening _ michigan. one of the things i said last evening with _ michigan. one of the things i said last evening with the _ michigan. one of the things i said last evening with the local - michigan. one of the things i said j last evening with the local media, we have to always trust in the process, we have to press the necessary buttons to get the justice necessary. specifically in this case. the city of grand rapids to support our request to have this case taken over by the michigan attorney general�*s office. we fully believe that the chief prosecutor should recuse himself, and if he doesn't, the attorney general should come in... late doesn't, the attorney general should come in... ~ . doesn't, the attorney general should come in... ~ , . come in... we will see whether that ha ens. come in. .. we will see whether that happens- thank— come in... we will see whether that happens. thank you _ come in... we will see whether that happens. thank you both _ come in... we will see whether that happens. thank you both so - come in... we will see whether that happens. thank you both so much l come in... we will see whether that l happens. thank you both so much for joining us on grand rapids, michigan. with worries about everything from the covid pandemic to climate change and the war in ukraine, perhaps it's not surprising that we live in an age of anxiety. but how is it affecting young people around the world? an influential panel of experts in the us is recommending that all children from the age of 8 to 18 should be screened for anxiety, one of the most common mental health disorders of childhood. let's bring in martha kubik, a member of the task force who is also a professor in the school of nursing at george mason university in fairfax, virginia. tell us why this research was needed to create this task force, to think about anxiety in kids that are actually pretty young?- about anxiety in kids that are actually pretty young? thank you so much for the _ actually pretty young? thank you so much for the opportunity _ actually pretty young? thank you so much for the opportunity to - actually pretty young? thank you so much for the opportunity to have i much for the opportunity to have this important conversation. this has been an ongoing concern that preceded the pandemic. certainly the pandemic has accelerated concern about evidence—based interventions. our task force recognises the need to address the need to provide support for mental health in children and adolescents. we reviewed the research literature on screening for anxiety. as a result, we are recommending, as you note, that screening starts at the age of eight for anxiety, and that clinicians implement this into primary care practice. has there alwa s primary care practice. has there always been _ primary care practice. has there always been anxiety _ primary care practice. has there always been anxiety in - primary care practice. has there always been anxiety in children | primary care practice. has there i always been anxiety in children this young or do you think it is something of this age? anxiety can be normal- — something of this age? anxiety can be normal. our— something of this age? anxiety can be normal. our concern _ something of this age? anxiety can be normal. our concern certainly i be normal. our concern certainly escalates when it is intense and persistent. primarily with anxiety, we are talking about worry and fear. certainly this has been an ongoing concern that preceded the pandemic, we were already seeing rises in the number of young people being impacted. with the research, we had data that looked at screening in children as young as eight, so we were confident in making that recommendation.— were confident in making that recommendation. however, we are callin: for recommendation. however, we are calling for more — recommendation. however, we are calling for more research _ recommendation. however, we are calling for more research for- calling for more research for children younger than eight. yes, i wondered about that threshold. how young could a child be and experience anxiety? parents will be well able to tell us.— well able to tell us. ron, what do ou think well able to tell us. ron, what do you think of _ well able to tell us. ron, what do you think of the _ well able to tell us. ron, what do you think of the proposal? - well able to tell us. ron, what do you think of the proposal? i - well able to tell us. ron, what do you think of the proposal? i thinkj you think of the proposal? i think it's good — you think of the proposal? i think it's good to — you think of the proposal? i think it's good to find a way to reduce the anxiety and stress level of our students — the anxiety and stress level of our students i— the anxiety and stress level of our students. i have been a professor since _ students. i have been a professor since 2009, and i can certainly tell you in— since 2009, and i can certainly tell you in the — since 2009, and i can certainly tell you in the last three years, my students — you in the last three years, my students are very worried about, what _ students are very worried about, what are — students are very worried about, what are we doing in a pandemic and how do— what are we doing in a pandemic and how do we— what are we doing in a pandemic and how do we get on the other side? it breaks— how do we get on the other side? it breaks my— how do we get on the other side? it breaks my heart to teach every week and to _ breaks my heart to teach every week and to see _ breaks my heart to teach every week and to see the anguish in my students _ and to see the anguish in my students and try to provide an off ramp— students and try to provide an off ramp for— students and try to provide an off ramp for them students and try to provide an off ramp forthem to students and try to provide an off ramp for them to get the mental health— ramp for them to get the mental health service they need to get back on their— health service they need to get back on their feet. it is health service they need to get back on their feet-— on their feet. it is anguish to watch this — on their feet. it is anguish to watch this on _ on their feet. it is anguish to watch this on a _ on their feet. it is anguish to watch this on a weekly - on their feet. it is anguish to | watch this on a weekly basis. on their feet. it is anguish to - watch this on a weekly basis. they are looking at kids as young as eight to try and stop issues arriving later in their lives. hit arriving later in their lives. all children experience stress from time to time _ children experience stress from time to time where — children experience stress from time to time. where it— children experience stress from time to time. where it becomes _ children experience stress from time to time. where it becomes a - children experience stress from time to time. where it becomes a real- to time. where it becomes a real anxiety— to time. where it becomes a real anxiety is — to time. where it becomes a real anxiety is when _ to time. where it becomes a real anxiety is when it _ to time. where it becomes a real anxiety is when it is— to time. where it becomes a real anxiety is when it is ongoing - to time. where it becomes a real anxiety is when it is ongoing and | to time. where it becomes a real. anxiety is when it is ongoing and it doesn't _ anxiety is when it is ongoing and it doesn't go — anxiety is when it is ongoing and it doesn't go away _ anxiety is when it is ongoing and it doesn't go away or— anxiety is when it is ongoing and it doesn't go away or you _ anxiety is when it is ongoing and it doesn't go away or you don't - anxiety is when it is ongoing and it doesn't go away or you don't get l doesn't go away or you don't get support— doesn't go away or you don't get support at— doesn't go away or you don't get support at the _ doesn't go away or you don't get support at the right _ doesn't go away or you don't get support at the right time. - doesn't go away or you don't get support at the right time. then i support at the right time. then later— support at the right time. then later on. — support at the right time. then later on. it _ support at the right time. then later on, it can— support at the right time. then later on, it can manifest - support at the right time. then later on, it can manifest in - support at the right time. then. later on, it can manifest in other ways— later on, it can manifest in other ways which— later on, it can manifest in other ways which need _ later on, it can manifest in other ways which need help _ later on, it can manifest in other ways which need help too. - later on, it can manifest in other ways which need help too. i- later on, it can manifest in other ways which need help too. i was| ways which need help too. i was looking — ways which need help too. i was looking earlier— ways which need help too. i was looking earlier at _ ways which need help too. i was looking earlier at the _ ways which need help too. i was looking earlier at the causes - ways which need help too. i was looking earlier at the causes of| looking earlier at the causes of anxiety— looking earlier at the causes of anxiety identified _ looking earlier at the causes of anxiety identified by— looking earlier at the causes of anxiety identified by the - looking earlier at the causes of anxiety identified by the nhs. i anxiety identified by the nhs. moving — anxiety identified by the nhs. moving house, _ anxiety identified by the nhs. moving house, moving - anxiety identified by the nhs. moving house, moving schoolj moving house, moving school regularly. _ moving house, moving school regularly, parents _ moving house, moving school regularly, parents fighting, i moving house, moving school regularly, parents fighting, a| moving house, moving school- regularly, parents fighting, a death of a regularly, parents fighting, a death ofa grandma. _ regularly, parents fighting, a death of a grandma, grandad. _ regularly, parents fighting, a death of a grandma, grandad. in- regularly, parents fighting, a death of a grandma, grandad. in those i of a grandma, grandad. in those situations. — of a grandma, grandad. in those situations, may— of a grandma, grandad. in those situations, may be _ of a grandma, grandad. in those situations, may be people - of a grandma, grandad. in those situations, may be people not. situations, may be people not talking — situations, may be people not talking with _ situations, may be people not talking with children - situations, may be people not talking with children about - situations, may be people noti talking with children about that experience. _ talking with children about that experience, that _ talking with children about that experience, that can _ talking with children about that experience, that can fester- talking with children about that experience, that can fester in i talking with children about thatj experience, that can fester in a mind _ experience, that can fester in a mind about _ experience, that can fester in a mind about the _ experience, that can fester in a mind about the child's - experience, that can fester in a mind about the child's sense i experience, that can fester in a mind about the child's sense of security — mind about the child's sense of security and _ mind about the child's sense of security. and bullying - mind about the child's sense of security. and bullying is- mind about the child's sense of security. and bullying is a - mind about the child's sense of security. and bullying is a big l security. and bullying is a big factor— security. and bullying is a big factor as— security. and bullying is a big factor as well. _ security. and bullying is a big factor as well. i— security. and bullying is a big factor as well. i used - security. and bullying is a big factor as well. i used to - security. and bullying is a big| factor as well. i used to worry about— factor as well. i used to worry about bullying, _ factor as well. i used to worry about bullying, influences- factor as well. i used to worry about bullying, influences on| factor as well. i used to worry i about bullying, influences on my daughter— about bullying, influences on my daughter about _ about bullying, influences on my daughter about what _ about bullying, influences on my daughter about what you - about bullying, influences on my daughter about what you should | about bullying, influences on my- daughter about what you should look like. daughter about what you should look like a _ daughter about what you should look like a lot _ daughter about what you should look like a lot of— daughter about what you should look like. a lot of children _ daughter about what you should look like. a lot of children today- daughter about what you should look like. a lot of children today at - daughter about what you should look like. a lot of children today at a - like. a lot of children today at a very— like. a lot of children today at a very young _ like. a lot of children today at a very young age _ like. a lot of children today at a very young age have _ like. a lot of children today at a very young age have access - like. a lot of children today at a very young age have access to i like. a lot of children today at a - very young age have access to social media. _ very young age have access to social media. which— very young age have access to social media, which also _ very young age have access to social media, which also has _ very young age have access to social media, which also has an _ very young age have access to social media, which also has an impact. ifi media, which also has an impact. if we can— media, which also has an impact. if we can get— media, which also has an impact. if we can get ahead _ media, which also has an impact. if we can get ahead of— media, which also has an impact. if we can get ahead of some - 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interesting point. giving young people the tools to deal with the anxiety as well as screening for it. thank you all forjoining us. thanks forjoining us. we are back on monday. when the sun makes an appearance, it will feel quite warm. they will be an east—west difference, in the east, you are closer to high pressure, it will be dry with the warmest sunny spells. in the west, a weather front coming in occasionally, bringing weatherfront coming in occasionally, bringing in some rain. by easter sunday. some uncertainty about the progress, some of the weather fronts will move across the uk overnight into monday. much of the weekend will see temperatures above average. by easter monday, turning a bit cooler. good friday, south—west england, wales, northern ireland, south—west scotland, cloudy skies, a little rain. the rest of scotland and england, a shower can't be ruled out but you will see most of the sunny spells. close to 20 in the warm spots in england. 17 in glasgow. 22 in south—east england. saturday, high pressure to the east, to the west. we are caught in between. a lot of cloud to begin the day. might encounter some patchy rain toward scotland and northern england, the next weather system running into northern ireland and the western isles later in the day. easter sunday, looks as if the weather front will have a bit more success in western areas. still something to play for. how much of the west of the uk will get rain and how far east it will move through the day. we will get a wet and cool and windy day in northern ireland and windy day in northern ireland and western scotland, could be some rain in wales and western england. dry and warm sunny spells in central and eastern england. as the system pushes through into monday, uncertainty about progress. behind that on monday, sunny spells, the chance of a shower, closer to low pressure. longerspells chance of a shower, closer to low pressure. longer spells of rain. easter sunday and monday, if you have outdoor plans, keep checking back. but we're pretty sure monday is going be cooler. tuesday, the weather fronts have moved is going be cooler. tuesday, the weatherfronts have moved on, we may see high pressure building back from the south—west. a lot of dry weather on tuesday. cloud building, the chance of a shower, especially towards scotland and northern ireland. through the easter period, east— west split in the weather. means more rain, but not particularly wet. northern ireland and north—west scotland, very little rain in central and eastern parts of england. after that, lower pressure may start to take over. we are under the influence to some degree from the influence to some degree from the area of low pressure. easterly wind, cool next week. might see some disturbances and the chance of rain, but it doesn't look particularly wet. tonight at ten, 50 days into the war in ukraine, and president zelensky tells me his heart is now filled with hate for russia. speaking exclusively to the bbc, he calls president putin a war criminal and says with each atrocity his soldiers commit, the opportunities for a negotiated peace diminish. bucha is in this process closing these possibilities. bucha, borodyanka, mariupol, so i don't have, you know — it's not about me, it's more about russia. and the other main stories on tonight's programme... the channel crossing that ends in rwanda — the government plan to tackle asylum seekers in dover by processing their claims in east africa. this innovative approach, driven by our shared humanitarian

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