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also carries that story, with reaction from the refugee council calling the move "cruel and nasty." and it's back to partygate on the front of the mirror, which has an insider saying the prime minister is "bang to rights" and a warning that the worst is yet to come. very good evening to you both. let's start off with the front page of the telegraph. migrants to be sent to rwanda. i’m of the telegraph. migrants to be sent to rwanda.— of the telegraph. migrants to be sent to rwanda. i'm 'ust bringing this u- in sent to rwanda. i'm 'ust bringing this up in front h sent to rwanda. i'm 'ust bringing this up in front of _ sent to rwanda. i'mjust bringing this up in front of me, _ sent to rwanda. i'mjust bringing this up in front of me, and - sent to rwanda. i'mjust bringing this up in front of me, and it's i this up in front of me, and it's clear that this is a big announcement that's being pushed by the government in some ways to distract from the story we will talk about next. which is the ongoing scandal of the partygate affair. this is one of those stories that some of the government supporters are going to absolutely love. people who have a hard line on immigration are going to think it's a brilliant idea to fly people, and i must say, it's one revealing moment about newspapers, the need to compare everything. metro calls it 6000. i don't know which is right. you have the reaction from the refugee council. i think a lot of people will feel that. an important point that priti patel makes is that britain has been trying very hard to deter people from making those unsafe crossings over the channel. and if there is anything that may deter the desperate because you have to be desperate to put your child or yourself in those boats, but if you are still looking for ways to disturb people, there's an argument for pointing out that the moment you land here, you will be taken back somewhere else and you have another long journey. somewhere else and you have another longjourney. but somewhere else and you have another long journey. but we've all seen what happens in australia, where offshore processing has been trialed, and the scenes that come out from those internment camps that alter has trialed —— australia has trialed, we all know that, right? it's vile. we should not be seeking to replicate that australian system. aubrey, i'm going to come to you. what does the paper give us a justification from the government as to why they are doing this, why rwanda? ~ ,,., , , rwanda? absolutely. there will be two speeches _ rwanda? absolutely. there will be two speeches made, _ rwanda? absolutely. there will be two speeches made, one - rwanda? absolutely. there will be two speeches made, one by - rwanda? absolutely. there will be two speeches made, one by the i rwanda? absolutely. there will be - two speeches made, one by the prime minister. _ two speeches made, one by the prime minister, where he sets out he has to act_ minister, where he sets out he has to act because people traffickers are turning the channel into a mortuary. _ are turning the channel into a mortuary, and he thinks there needs to be _ mortuary, and he thinks there needs to be a _ mortuary, and he thinks there needs to be a stronger deterrent. we're told that— to be a stronger deterrent. we're told that rwanda is going to be used. — told that rwanda is going to be used, the scheme will cost about £120 _ used, the scheme will cost about £120 million initially. i suspect the government looked at multiple options. _ the government looked at multiple options, but not every country that they asked — options, but not every country that they asked said yes to this idea. it's reported in the telegraph that people _ it's reported in the telegraph that people will be encouraged to try and integrate _ people will be encouraged to try and integrate once they're taken to your honda _ integrate once they're taken to your honda -- _ integrate once they're taken to your honda —— rwanda. 0f integrate once they're taken to your honda —— rwanda. of course, as well as his _ honda —— rwanda. of course, as well as his announcement, there's going to he _ as his announcement, there's going to he a _ as his announcement, there's going to he a new— as his announcement, there's going to be a new process centre in the uk, but _ to be a new process centre in the uk, but i — to be a new process centre in the uk, but i think the main question is how quickly— uk, but i think the main question is how quickly will any of this happen? boris _ how quickly will any of this happen? borisjohnson knows this is how quickly will any of this happen? boris johnson knows this is a pressing _ boris johnson knows this is a pressing issue to a group of voters who probably support him, and the government are doing everything they can to _ government are doing everything they can to say— government are doing everything they can to say this will be fixed quickly, _ can to say this will be fixed quickly, and i'm not sure boris johnson — quickly, and i'm not sure boris johnson can make that convincing because _ johnson can make that convincing because the numbers are continuing to rise _ because the numbers are continuing to rise. placing the number across the channel. i think there's a record — the channel. i think there's a record number for this year. whether the government can really stand those _ the government can really stand those numbers coming in quickly, i don't _ those numbers coming in quickly, i don't think — those numbers coming in quickly, i don't think. the those numbers coming in quickly, i don't think-— those numbers coming in quickly, i don't think. the numbers quoted in this paper. is _ don't think. the numbers quoted in this paper, is correct, _ don't think. the numbers quoted in this paper, is correct, are - don't think. the numbers quoted in this paper, is correct, are eye - this paper, is correct, are eye watering. three and a half million pounds a day is the cost quoted to keep migrants once they arrive in britain, keep them in hotels. that is the cost, kate .it . it speaks to the number of people cau~ht u- . it speaks to the number of people caught on in — . it speaks to the number of people caught on in the — . it speaks to the number of people caught up in the migrant _ . it speaks to the number of people caught up in the migrant crisis - caught up in the migrant crisis and the way that aubrey mentioned. but i also think it's impossible to cover the story without pointing out that many of the other front pages will be looking at the war in ukraine. we heard a lot of stories this week about the homes for ukrainians scheme. there are some questions about how efficiently that is being run, but we are getting a government message that ukrainian refugees are welcome here, these are migrants we want to have and we have a moral duty to be hospitable to. of course, priti patel and many who think like her would argue that a lot of the migrants in terms of this project are not refugees from war, they're economic migrants to have precisely their cases assessed to see if they are the kind of virtuous migrants that we now accept politically. but i think there will be a lot of people who see a disconnect in that messaging and wonder why those groups are being, why there is very different messaging and the rhetoric towards those groups today. let’s towards those groups today. let's turn to the _ towards those groups today. let's turn to the independent. cruel deal to send asylum—seekers to africa. can i take a moment and let our viewers know the statement that has come from the refugee council, saying they were appalled by this nasty decision to send those seeking sanctuary to rwanda. this is the brutal reality faced by refugees all over the world who this government now wants to treat as no more than human cargo to be shipped elsewhere. we urge the government to immediately rethink its plans which are in stark contrast to what every conservative prime minister since churchill has sought to do. he does go on, but that was just some of what was included in that statement. ijust what was included in that statement. i just picked what was included in that statement. ijust picked up a figure here. it will do little to deter them from crossing this country, but only lead to more suffering and chaos, but a huge expense of £1.11 to more suffering and chaos, but a huge expense of {1.4 billion a year. that is solomon from the refugee council. as we look to the independent, it does make you think how this is a distraction from partygate, can be good news because this keeps on further negative back news, further criticism for the government. news, further criticism for the government-— news, further criticism for the government.- sorry, - news, further criticism for the i government.- sorry, kate! news, further criticism for the government.- sorry, kate! government. kate. sorry, kate! i think anything— government. kate. sorry, kate! i think anything that _ government. kate. sorry, kate! i think anything that changes - government. kate. sorry, kate! i think anything that changes the l think anything that changes the story for boris johnson at this story for borisjohnson at this moment is good news. what he wants to avoid is a situation like we were stuck in in december, in which there was every single day the partygate story remand on the front pages. alastair campbell had that line about having ten days before you lose your job about having ten days before you lose yourjob if you can change the conversation. something like that. i don't know if you want to go through those headlines for the viewers before we dissect them, but the resignation of david wilson is very interesting as a justice minister because one reason he is so respected in the legal profession and amongst people who've watched westminster for a long time as and amongst people who've watched westminsterfor a long time as he has an independent career as a very senior lawyer. —— david wolf son. he feels that he now can't continue in thatjob, supporting government which has broken the law. but i do feel that may be one of the reasons why his resignation has repercussions in westminster. a career politician, someone who didn't have their own alternative career to go back to. he is in many ways an independent figure here, more so than someone who had risen to ministerial ranks through the house of commons. kate has just taken us onto our paper, the metro. the guardian, also, leaning on the fact that the prime minister may face a further three more funds in the party scandal, but the headline for the metro is tory law chief quits. aubrey, your take on this story? it's a pretty blunt story. we expected it to be a little bit quieter _ expected it to be a little bit quieter. 0f expected it to be a little bit quieter. of course, the announcement of the _ quieter. of course, the announcement of the prime _ quieter. of course, the announcement of the prime minister and the chancellor being fined yesterday through — chancellor being fined yesterday through a huge spero in a works. there _ through a huge spero in a works. there has— through a huge spero in a works. there has been a limited number of conservative mps going public and calling _ conservative mps going public and calling the prime minister to quit. that rose — calling the prime minister to quit. that rose to two today, but it will come as — that rose to two today, but it will come as quite as a severe blow that he resigned. it puts the justice secretary— he resigned. it puts the justice secretary in a very difficult position. _ secretary in a very difficult position, and i think what's interesting is this tone of we can't _ interesting is this tone of we can'tiust— interesting is this tone of we can'tjust say we're going to intervene _ can'tjust say we're going to intervene in ukraine and uphold these _ intervene in ukraine and uphold these ideals if we don't leave them at home, _ these ideals if we don't leave them at home, if— these ideals if we don't leave them at home, if we don't live by the rule of— at home, if we don't live by the rule of law— at home, if we don't live by the rule of law at home. and he clearly feeis _ rule of law at home. and he clearly feels that— rule of law at home. and he clearly feels that the prime minister has crossed — feels that the prime minister has crossed a — feels that the prime minister has crossed a red line here and that he cannot support a government that is saying _ cannot support a government that is saying we _ cannot support a government that is saying we broke the law, but it's fine _ saying we broke the law, but it's fine how— saying we broke the law, but it's fine. how many more of these weeks can street _ fine. how many more of these weeks can street whether? how many more finds can _ can street whether? how many more finds can borisjohnson get can street whether? how many more finds can boris johnson get for parties — finds can boris johnson get for parties that are less excusable than a nine _ parties that are less excusable than a nine minute gathering where people saying _ a nine minute gathering where people saying happy birthday to the prime minister? — saying happy birthday to the prime minister? what about the 100 people invited _ minister? what about the 100 people invited and the christmas parties? i think— invited and the christmas parties? i think it's _ invited and the christmas parties? i think it's going to be those issues that wiii— think it's going to be those issues that will face real pressure on the prime _ that will face real pressure on the prime minister so when mps come to westminster next week, boris johnson's _ westminster next week, boris johnson's addition doesn't seem quite _ johnson's addition doesn't seem quite a — johnson's addition doesn't seem quite a secure. do johnson's addition doesn't seem quite a secure.— quite a secure. do you think the 1922 committee _ quite a secure. do you think the 1922 committee will— quite a secure. do you think the 1922 committee will be - quite a secure. do you think the 1922 committee will be brought| quite a secure. do you think the - 1922 committee will be brought into this and that letter of no—confidence? this and that letter of no-confidence?- this and that letter of no-confidence? �*, ., ., no-confidence? it's so hard to say. it's a no-confidence? it's so hard to say. it's a complete _ no-confidence? it's so hard to say. it's a complete guessing _ no-confidence? it's so hard to say. it's a complete guessing game. - no-confidence? it's so hard to say. | it's a complete guessing game. the latest _ it's a complete guessing game. the latest figure i had yesterday, iooking — latest figure i had yesterday, looking back at the peak number at the end _ looking back at the peak number at the end of— looking back at the peak number at the end of february, it was 51. who knows _ the end of february, it was 51. who knows if— the end of february, it was 51. who knows if that's true? it could be completely wrong, but it has been spotted _ completely wrong, but it has been spotted around parliament. we've heard _ spotted around parliament. we've heard from at least one mp who said they will— heard from at least one mp who said they will write a letter... another came _ they will write a letter... another came out — they will write a letter... another came out and said borisjohnson shoutd _ came out and said borisjohnson should resign but wouldn't put a n. we just— should resign but wouldn't put a n. we just get this drip feed of people calling _ we just get this drip feed of people calling for him to go without taking action necessary.— action necessary. kate, you're noddin: action necessary. kate, you're nodding away- — action necessary. kate, you're nodding away. yes, _ action necessary. kate, you're nodding away. yes, i - action necessary. kate, you're nodding away. yes, i was - action necessary. kate, you're i nodding away. yes, i was mainly auareein nodding away. yes, i was mainly agreeing with — nodding away. yes, i was mainly agreeing with aubrey's - nodding away. yes, i was mainly agreeing with aubrey's caution l nodding away. yes, i was mainly - agreeing with aubrey's caution about agreeing with aubrey�*s caution about predicting anything. trying to guess how many letters have gone in, for example, is a messy game. what i would say is what i said all along, which predictions are a mode game when it comes to... the election is 22 days away. that's what mps will be watching, whether this has hit the electorate, whether that's reflected in losing counsellors, losing seats. for me, that's perhaps boris's most honourable moment. titer? boris's most honourable moment. very tellinu. let us turn to the telegraph again. what's being described as a stealth raid on students or graduates incomes, aubrey. i raid on students or graduates incomes, aubrey.— raid on students or graduates incomes, aubrey. i think 'udging by the co , incomes, aubrey. i think 'udging by the copy. this i incomes, aubrey. i think 'udging by the copy, this will _ incomes, aubrey. i thinkjudging by the copy, this will affect... - incomes, aubrey. i thinkjudging by the copy, this will affect... it - the copy, this will affect... it looks— the copy, this will affect... it looks like _ the copy, this will affect... it looks like grim reading. good news for me. _ looks like grim reading. good news for me. had — looks like grim reading. good news for me, bad news for more than 1 million _ for me, bad news for more than 1 million people. workers who left university in 2012 onwards are now iearning _ university in 2012 onwards are now learning £39,000... will be hit by this punishingly high 12% interest. lots of— this punishingly high 12% interest. lots of pressure here from conservatives who are looking at the party, _ conservatives who are looking at the party. aren't— conservatives who are looking at the party, aren't we supposed to be a low party, aren't we supposed to be a tow tax _ party, aren't we supposed to be a low tax party? i'm not sure this is going to _ low tax party? i'm not sure this is going to sit — low tax party? i'm not sure this is going to sit terribly comfortably. i think— going to sit terribly comfortably. i think the — going to sit terribly comfortably. i think the conservative mp said this wasn't _ think the conservative mp said this wasn't sitting comfortably with him. rishi sunak is already under pressure _ rishi sunak is already under pressure for various personal issues, — pressure for various personal issues, including the fine he received _ issues, including the fine he received yesterday. i think this

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also carries that story, with reaction from the refugee council calling the move "cruel and nasty." and it's back to partygate on the front of the mirror, which has an insider saying the prime minister is "bang to rights" and a warning that the worst is yet to come. very good evening to you both. let's start off with the front page of the telegraph. migrants to be sent to rwanda. i’m of the telegraph. migrants to be sent to rwanda.— of the telegraph. migrants to be sent to rwanda. i'm 'ust bringing this u- in sent to rwanda. i'm 'ust bringing this up in front h sent to rwanda. i'm 'ust bringing this up in front of _ sent to rwanda. i'mjust bringing this up in front of me, _ sent to rwanda. i'mjust bringing this up in front of me, and - sent to rwanda. i'mjust bringing this up in front of me, and it's i this up in front of me, and it's clear that this is a big announcement that's being pushed by the government in some ways to distract from the story we will talk about next. which is the ongoing scandal of the partygate affair. this is one of those stories that some of the government supporters are going to absolutely love. people who have a hard line on immigration are going to think it's a brilliant idea to fly people, and i must say, it's one revealing moment about newspapers, the need to compare everything. metro calls it 6000. i don't know which is right. you have the reaction from the refugee council. i think a lot of people will feel that. an important point that priti patel makes is that britain has been trying very hard to deter people from making those unsafe crossings over the channel. and if there is anything that may deter the desperate because you have to be desperate to put your child or yourself in those boats, but if you are still looking for ways to disturb people, there's an argument for pointing out that the moment you land here, you will be taken back somewhere else and you have another long journey. somewhere else and you have another longjourney. but somewhere else and you have another long journey. but we've all seen what happens in australia, where offshore processing has been trialed, and the scenes that come out from those internment camps that alter has trialed —— australia has trialed, we all know that, right? it's vile. we should not be seeking to replicate that australian system. aubrey, i'm going to come to you. what does the paper give us a justification from the government as to why they are doing this, why rwanda? ~ ,,., , , rwanda? absolutely. there will be two speeches _ rwanda? absolutely. there will be two speeches made, _ rwanda? absolutely. there will be two speeches made, one - rwanda? absolutely. there will be two speeches made, one by - rwanda? absolutely. there will be two speeches made, one by the i rwanda? absolutely. there will be - two speeches made, one by the prime minister. _ two speeches made, one by the prime minister, where he sets out he has to act_ minister, where he sets out he has to act because people traffickers are turning the channel into a mortuary. _ are turning the channel into a mortuary, and he thinks there needs to be _ mortuary, and he thinks there needs to be a _ mortuary, and he thinks there needs to be a stronger deterrent. we're told that— to be a stronger deterrent. we're told that rwanda is going to be used. — told that rwanda is going to be used, the scheme will cost about £120 _ used, the scheme will cost about £120 million initially. i suspect the government looked at multiple options. _ the government looked at multiple options, but not every country that they asked — options, but not every country that they asked said yes to this idea. it's reported in the telegraph that people _ it's reported in the telegraph that people will be encouraged to try and integrate _ people will be encouraged to try and integrate once they're taken to your honda _ integrate once they're taken to your honda -- _ integrate once they're taken to your honda —— rwanda. 0f integrate once they're taken to your honda —— rwanda. of course, as well as his _ honda —— rwanda. of course, as well as his announcement, there's going to he _ as his announcement, there's going to he a _ as his announcement, there's going to he a new— as his announcement, there's going to be a new process centre in the uk, but _ to be a new process centre in the uk, but i — to be a new process centre in the uk, but i think the main question is how quickly— uk, but i think the main question is how quickly will any of this happen? boris _ how quickly will any of this happen? borisjohnson knows this is how quickly will any of this happen? boris johnson knows this is a pressing _ boris johnson knows this is a pressing issue to a group of voters who probably support him, and the government are doing everything they can to _ government are doing everything they can to say— government are doing everything they can to say this will be fixed quickly, _ can to say this will be fixed quickly, and i'm not sure boris johnson — quickly, and i'm not sure boris johnson can make that convincing because _ johnson can make that convincing because the numbers are continuing to rise _ because the numbers are continuing to rise. placing the number across the channel. i think there's a record — the channel. i think there's a record number for this year. whether the government can really stand those _ the government can really stand those numbers coming in quickly, i don't _ those numbers coming in quickly, i don't think — those numbers coming in quickly, i don't think. the those numbers coming in quickly, i don't think-— those numbers coming in quickly, i don't think. the numbers quoted in this paper. is _ don't think. the numbers quoted in this paper, is correct, _ don't think. the numbers quoted in this paper, is correct, are - don't think. the numbers quoted in this paper, is correct, are eye - this paper, is correct, are eye watering. three and a half million pounds a day is the cost quoted to keep migrants once they arrive in britain, keep them in hotels. that is the cost, kate .it . it speaks to the number of people cau~ht u- . it speaks to the number of people caught on in — . it speaks to the number of people caught on in the — . it speaks to the number of people caught up in the migrant _ . it speaks to the number of people caught up in the migrant crisis - caught up in the migrant crisis and the way that aubrey mentioned. but i also think it's impossible to cover the story without pointing out that many of the other front pages will be looking at the war in ukraine. we heard a lot of stories this week about the homes for ukrainians scheme. there are some questions about how efficiently that is being run, but we are getting a government message that ukrainian refugees are welcome here, these are migrants we want to have and we have a moral duty to be hospitable to. of course, priti patel and many who think like her would argue that a lot of the migrants in terms of this project are not refugees from war, they're economic migrants to have precisely their cases assessed to see if they are the kind of virtuous migrants that we now accept politically. but i think there will be a lot of people who see a disconnect in that messaging and wonder why those groups are being, why there is very different messaging and the rhetoric towards those groups today. let’s towards those groups today. let's turn to the _ towards those groups today. let's turn to the independent. cruel deal to send asylum—seekers to africa. can i take a moment and let our viewers know the statement that has come from the refugee council, saying they were appalled by this nasty decision to send those seeking sanctuary to rwanda. this is the brutal reality faced by refugees all over the world who this government now wants to treat as no more than human cargo to be shipped elsewhere. we urge the government to immediately rethink its plans which are in stark contrast to what every conservative prime minister since churchill has sought to do. he does go on, but that was just some of what was included in that statement. ijust what was included in that statement. i just picked what was included in that statement. ijust picked up a figure here. it will do little to deter them from crossing this country, but only lead to more suffering and chaos, but a huge expense of £1.11 to more suffering and chaos, but a huge expense of {1.4 billion a year. that is solomon from the refugee council. as we look to the independent, it does make you think how this is a distraction from partygate, can be good news because this keeps on further negative back news, further criticism for the government. news, further criticism for the government-— news, further criticism for the government.- sorry, - news, further criticism for the i government.- sorry, kate! news, further criticism for the government.- sorry, kate! government. kate. sorry, kate! i think anything— government. kate. sorry, kate! i think anything that _ government. kate. sorry, kate! i think anything that changes - government. kate. sorry, kate! i think anything that changes the l think anything that changes the story for boris johnson at this story for borisjohnson at this moment is good news. what he wants to avoid is a situation like we were stuck in in december, in which there was every single day the partygate story remand on the front pages. alastair campbell had that line about having ten days before you lose your job about having ten days before you lose yourjob if you can change the conversation. something like that. i don't know if you want to go through those headlines for the viewers before we dissect them, but the resignation of david wilson is very interesting as a justice minister because one reason he is so respected in the legal profession and amongst people who've watched westminster for a long time as and amongst people who've watched westminsterfor a long time as he has an independent career as a very senior lawyer. —— david wolf son. he feels that he now can't continue in thatjob, supporting government which has broken the law. but i do feel that may be one of the reasons why his resignation has repercussions in westminster. a career politician, someone who didn't have their own alternative career to go back to. he is in many ways an independent figure here, more so than someone who had risen to ministerial ranks through the house of commons. kate has just taken us onto our paper, the metro. the guardian, also, leaning on the fact that the prime minister may face a further three more funds in the party scandal, but the headline for the metro is tory law chief quits. aubrey, your take on this story? it's a pretty blunt story. we expected it to be a little bit quieter _ expected it to be a little bit quieter. 0f expected it to be a little bit quieter. of course, the announcement of the _ quieter. of course, the announcement of the prime _ quieter. of course, the announcement of the prime minister and the chancellor being fined yesterday through — chancellor being fined yesterday through a huge spero in a works. there _ through a huge spero in a works. there has— through a huge spero in a works. there has been a limited number of conservative mps going public and calling _ conservative mps going public and calling the prime minister to quit. that rose — calling the prime minister to quit. that rose to two today, but it will come as — that rose to two today, but it will come as quite as a severe blow that he resigned. it puts the justice secretary— he resigned. it puts the justice secretary in a very difficult position. _ secretary in a very difficult position, and i think what's interesting is this tone of we can't _ interesting is this tone of we can'tiust— interesting is this tone of we can'tjust say we're going to intervene _ can'tjust say we're going to intervene in ukraine and uphold these _ intervene in ukraine and uphold these ideals if we don't leave them at home, _ these ideals if we don't leave them at home, if— these ideals if we don't leave them at home, if we don't live by the rule of— at home, if we don't live by the rule of law— at home, if we don't live by the rule of law at home. and he clearly feeis _ rule of law at home. and he clearly feels that— rule of law at home. and he clearly feels that the prime minister has crossed — feels that the prime minister has crossed a — feels that the prime minister has crossed a red line here and that he cannot support a government that is saying _ cannot support a government that is saying we _ cannot support a government that is saying we broke the law, but it's fine _ saying we broke the law, but it's fine how— saying we broke the law, but it's fine. how many more of these weeks can street _ fine. how many more of these weeks can street whether? how many more finds can _ can street whether? how many more finds can borisjohnson get can street whether? how many more finds can boris johnson get for parties — finds can boris johnson get for parties that are less excusable than a nine _ parties that are less excusable than a nine minute gathering where people saying _ a nine minute gathering where people saying happy birthday to the prime minister? — saying happy birthday to the prime minister? what about the 100 people invited _ minister? what about the 100 people invited and the christmas parties? i think— invited and the christmas parties? i think it's _ invited and the christmas parties? i think it's going to be those issues that wiii— think it's going to be those issues that will face real pressure on the prime _ that will face real pressure on the prime minister so when mps come to westminster next week, boris johnson's _ westminster next week, boris johnson's addition doesn't seem quite _ johnson's addition doesn't seem quite a — johnson's addition doesn't seem quite a secure. do johnson's addition doesn't seem quite a secure.— quite a secure. do you think the 1922 committee _ quite a secure. do you think the 1922 committee will— quite a secure. do you think the 1922 committee will be - quite a secure. do you think the 1922 committee will be brought| quite a secure. do you think the - 1922 committee will be brought into this and that letter of no—confidence? this and that letter of no-confidence?- this and that letter of no-confidence? �*, ., ., no-confidence? it's so hard to say. it's a no-confidence? it's so hard to say. it's a complete _ no-confidence? it's so hard to say. it's a complete guessing _ no-confidence? it's so hard to say. it's a complete guessing game. - no-confidence? it's so hard to say. | it's a complete guessing game. the latest _ it's a complete guessing game. the latest figure i had yesterday, iooking — latest figure i had yesterday, looking back at the peak number at the end _ looking back at the peak number at the end of— looking back at the peak number at the end of february, it was 51. who knows _ the end of february, it was 51. who knows if— the end of february, it was 51. who knows if that's true? it could be completely wrong, but it has been spotted _ completely wrong, but it has been spotted around parliament. we've heard _ spotted around parliament. we've heard from at least one mp who said they will— heard from at least one mp who said they will write a letter... another came _ they will write a letter... another came out — they will write a letter... another came out and said borisjohnson shoutd _ came out and said borisjohnson should resign but wouldn't put a n. we just— should resign but wouldn't put a n. we just get this drip feed of people calling _ we just get this drip feed of people calling for him to go without taking action necessary.— action necessary. kate, you're noddin: action necessary. kate, you're nodding away- — action necessary. kate, you're nodding away. yes, _ action necessary. kate, you're nodding away. yes, i - action necessary. kate, you're nodding away. yes, i was - action necessary. kate, you're i nodding away. yes, i was mainly auareein nodding away. yes, i was mainly agreeing with — nodding away. yes, i was mainly agreeing with aubrey's - nodding away. yes, i was mainly agreeing with aubrey's caution l nodding away. yes, i was mainly - agreeing with aubrey's caution about agreeing with aubrey�*s caution about predicting anything. trying to guess how many letters have gone in, for example, is a messy game. what i would say is what i said all along, which predictions are a mode game when it comes to... the election is 22 days away. that's what mps will be watching, whether this has hit the electorate, whether that's reflected in losing counsellors, losing seats. for me, that's perhaps boris's most honourable moment. titer? boris's most honourable moment. very tellinu. let us turn to the telegraph again. what's being described as a stealth raid on students or graduates incomes, aubrey. i raid on students or graduates incomes, aubrey.— raid on students or graduates incomes, aubrey. i think 'udging by the co , incomes, aubrey. i think 'udging by the copy. this i incomes, aubrey. i think 'udging by the copy, this will _ incomes, aubrey. i thinkjudging by the copy, this will affect... - incomes, aubrey. i thinkjudging by the copy, this will affect... it - the copy, this will affect... it looks— the copy, this will affect... it looks like _ the copy, this will affect... it looks like grim reading. good news for me. _ looks like grim reading. good news for me. had — looks like grim reading. good news for me, bad news for more than 1 million _ for me, bad news for more than 1 million people. workers who left university in 2012 onwards are now iearning _ university in 2012 onwards are now learning £39,000... will be hit by this punishingly high 12% interest. lots of— this punishingly high 12% interest. lots of pressure here from conservatives who are looking at the party, _ conservatives who are looking at the party. aren't— conservatives who are looking at the party, aren't we supposed to be a low party, aren't we supposed to be a tow tax _ party, aren't we supposed to be a low tax party? i'm not sure this is going to _ low tax party? i'm not sure this is going to sit — low tax party? i'm not sure this is going to sit terribly comfortably. i think— going to sit terribly comfortably. i think the — going to sit terribly comfortably. i think the conservative mp said this wasn't _ think the conservative mp said this wasn't sitting comfortably with him. rishi sunak is already under pressure _ rishi sunak is already under pressure for various personal issues, — pressure for various personal issues, including the fine he received _ issues, including the fine he received yesterday. i think this

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