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quick look through our front pages. the observer reports on the inquiry into downing street parties. it says number ten staff have had their �*swipe card data' logged and that sue gray has details of a previously unreported event. according to the sunday telegraph, the uk government believes russia's president claims putin is �*plotting' to install a pro—moscow regime in ukraine. the sunday times carries claims from a tory mp who says she lost herjob as a government minister because she was a muslim. elsewhere, the sunday express calls for prince andrew to be stripped of his title as duke of york. the mail on sunday claims borisjohnson will declare war on civil servants reluctant to return to the office. let us begin. sorry, i'm destroying my desk here. sorry! calum, sunday times, and some allegations she made in 2020. let's be clear about that. if you could just summarise the story for us. the headfine just summarise the story for us. the headline is a — just summarise the story for us. tue: headline is a minister, just summarise the story for us. tte: headline is a minister, because i was a muslim, she was sacked. —— she was a muslim, she was sacked. —— she was a muslim, she was sacked. —— she was a muslim. ghani saying that when she was sacked as transport minister backin she was sacked as transport minister back in february 2020, she was told her muslim this was raised as an issue, and the fact that she is a muslim woman was making colleagues feel uncomfortable —— muslimness. that's what she was told at the time. one might suggest if others are uncomfortable with muslim women having this status, they should be stacked. i'll let others make that comment. —— sacked. it's really quite dramatic. mark spencer, the government's chief whip, has tweeted identifying himself as the person that miss ghani made this comment. he named himself. he says these accusations are totally false and he considers them defamatory. he highlights that when miss ghani raised the issue, when the issue was raised the issue, when the issue was raised before, she declined to refer to formal investigation. miss ghani is claiming she was sacked because she was muslim, and it's a very serious allegation. then we have the chief whip accusing her of defamation, although she did not name him, and the education secretary called for an investigation. this is the start of what could be a difficult and retracted saga yet again for boris johnson and conservatives. geri. johnson and conservatives. geri, 'ust johnson and conservatives. geri, just picking _ johnson and conservatives. geri, just picking up — johnson and conservatives. geri, just picking up on _ johnson and conservatives. geri, just picking up on what _ johnson and conservatives. geri, just picking up on what calum said. it is via a series of tweets that mark spencer has published. it's worth making the point that he does go on to say that it was disappointing that when the issues was raised, miss ghani defined to refer the matter. she was invited to use the formal conservative party procedure. she declined to do so. what do you make of all of this? the conservative — what do you make of all of this? the conservative party is eating itself in public — conservative party is eating itself in public. you have mps who are supporting — in public. you have mps who are supporting ms ghani, saying this must _ supporting ms ghani, saying this must be — supporting ms ghani, saying this must be investigated and taken very seriously _ must be investigated and taken very seriously. she's a valued colleague. you do _ seriously. she's a valued colleague. you do struggle to think what she could _ you do struggle to think what she could gain — you do struggle to think what she could gain from coming out and saying — could gain from coming out and saying this publicly. but it'sjust the latest — saying this publicly. but it'sjust the latest in these allegations that we've heard. the whipping operation, you have _ we've heard. the whipping operation, you have those bombshell claims coming _ you have those bombshell claims coming out this week that mps are being _ coming out this week that mps are being blackmailed essentially by the whip office in order to support boris — whip office in order to support borisjohnson. the way whip office in order to support boris johnson. the way that whipping works. _ boris johnson. the way that whipping works. it's _ boris johnson. the way that whipping works, it's not always aboveboard, but if _ works, it's not always aboveboard, but if that — works, it's not always aboveboard, but if that crosses over, then that is very. _ but if that crosses over, then that is very. very— but if that crosses over, then that is very, very serious. i think it's really— is very, very serious. i think it's really a — is very, very serious. i think it's really a symptom of how bad things are for— really a symptom of how bad things are for the — really a symptom of how bad things are for the conservative party at the moment, that all these various wings of— the moment, that all these various wings of the party are saying different things. publicly almost speaking out against the government, and ministers. it's really shocking to see _ and ministers. it's really shocking to see it's— and ministers. it's really shocking to see. it's about 11 o'clock and you have — to see. it's about 11 o'clock and you have the chief whip tweening deniats— you have the chief whip tweening denials about stories in the papers. it's extraordinary —— tweeting. you it's extraordinary -- tweeting. you robabl it's extraordinary -- tweeting. you probably would _ it's extraordinary —— tweeting. tm. probably would notice mark spencer tweeted one it a condition, deleted those tweets, and then tweeted the tweets we just summarise. before we leave this story, a spokesman for the whip �*s office itself has also said that the claims are categorically untrue. ministerial roles are appointed on merit, and rewards for hard work and the party does not tolerate any form of racism or december raised —— discrimination. let's move the next story. it seems that focus will be turning on carrie johnson. , , ., , gate. we are waiting for the mythical sucre to deliver her report which we expect might be wednesday or thursday —— sue gray. it's ludicrous, but the latest is focusing on carriejohnson. henry newman and josh brimstone. the suggestion is they were parties being held at the downing street flight during lockdown, so in the residence of borisjohnson and carriejohnson. i think with this, there is already within the defence that it was work related. hearing about work meetings that were parties. but that's the latest suggestion on this one. within that, there are sources close to the story, suggesting it that doesn't quite add up because these two were working at the cabinet office. also, there was no officials present, and that would be the operating procedure for a work event such as this. so, yes, it isjust the latest. are we at ten or 11 suggested parties now? sue gray will have to wade through. if we get this by next christmas, i'll be surprised. in any case, it rumbles on. we're standing by for dominic cummings to speak to sue gray. he himself has a shed new likes on various events. he will speak to her tomorrow. there is the suggestion on that one. from the reporting, there's just this atmosphere of concern growing in downing street. partly because one suggesting is martin reynolds sent to the infamous bring your own booze e—mail, he may have turned and also, the fact that there is this next party involving there is this next party involving the prime minister's wife in his home. it starts becoming one of those stories that goes on and on. there's nowhere else to turn. let those stories that goes on and on. there's nowhere else to turn. turn to the front page of the observer. the latest detail we have here is some of the evidence that sue gray is having sift through. as you tell us about this, there are questions already about transparency of the report when it is finally released. those questions already surfacing. absolutely. it's unclear what will be retracted. what will appear in public _ be retracted. what will appear in public. committed to publishing that will there _ public. committed to publishing that will there are also questions about how independent this report can be. we've _ how independent this report can be. we've heard plenty about sue gray and how _ we've heard plenty about sue gray and how independently minded she is, how she _ and how independently minded she is, how she won't take any critics. i'm sure _ how she won't take any critics. i'm sure that's — how she won't take any critics. i'm sure that's all true, but it's not really an— sure that's all true, but it's not really an independent report. she is still a _ really an independent report. she is still a civil— really an independent report. she is still a civil servant. she still works— still a civil servant. she still works in— still a civil servant. she still works in government. downing street was asked _ works in government. downing street was asked this week if they could point _ was asked this week if they could point to— was asked this week if they could point to what makes this an independent inquiring. they couldn't _ independent inquiring. they couldn't. i would venture is not independentjust because couldn't. i would venture is not independent just because you couldn't. i would venture is not independentjust because you say it is. independentjust because you say it is but— independentjust because you say it is. but there are rows about transparency. i think it will probably be a 25 page report, that junior— probably be a 25 page report, that junior members of staff probably will get — junior members of staff probably will get a — junior members of staff probably will get a taking off from their managers, that the blame might be faced _ managers, that the blame might be faced more senior officials, which is why— faced more senior officials, which is why we're hearing martin reynolds might— is why we're hearing martin reynolds might have _ is why we're hearing martin reynolds might have said," i'm taking you all with me _ might have said," i'm taking you all with me if— might have said," i'm taking you all with me if i'm going down." it's going _ with me if i'm going down." it's going to — with me if i'm going down." it's going to be _ with me if i'm going down." it's going to be really interesting to see what— going to be really interesting to see what is released, because sue gray can't — see what is released, because sue gray can't recommend any sanctions on the _ gray can't recommend any sanctions on the prime — gray can't recommend any sanctions on the prime minister, who is the ultimate — on the prime minister, who is the ultimate object of the ministerial code and — ultimate object of the ministerial code and would be deciding whether to sanction himself. it's all very odd and — to sanction himself. it's all very odd and we have to see what the report _ odd and we have to see what the report says. odd and we have to see what the report says-— report says. calum, let's go to the mail on sunday. _ they have claims they received information that boris johnson is declaring war on civil servants refusing to had back to the office. if true, interesting timing. very. maybe there are more parties plan. he's trying to beef out the guest list. who can tell? this is a slightly discombobulated headline. i wasn't sure who he was referring to. there apparently is concern that mps are not getting back to office quickly enough. that guidance ended, and it's all about getting everyone back in. some of the commentary is quite hilarious. 0ne back in. some of the commentary is quite hilarious. one was there's not enough room for them to be in the office, and other suggestions are about civil servants who have been able to buy nice houses in the country. they are betting they won't have to come back. it's part of a wider conversation. about how much we actually do need to be in a workplace and how much we can actually work from home. i think ultimately, flexibility has proven to be quite effective with helping us work. in this piece, there is a plan for a split between home and office working with most based at home, and i'm not sure why the prime minister is so eager to get everybody back. there's all sorts of jokes we can make about this. it's an interesting one for him to be focused on in the midst of multiple crises unfolding.— crises unfolding. geri, the other bi sto crises unfolding. geri, the other big story at _ crises unfolding. geri, the other big story at the _ crises unfolding. geri, the other big story at the moment - crises unfolding. geri, the other big story at the moment that i crises unfolding. geri, the other big story at the moment that is | big story at the moment that is encompassing many countries. it's the events taking place in ukraine with russ the uk claiming that president putin is plotting to put a profit leader in ukraine —— puppet leader. would you expect something like that?— puppet leader. would you expect something like that? absolutely, but what's interesting _ something like that? absolutely, but what's interesting is _ something like that? absolutely, but what's interesting is that _ something like that? absolutely, but what's interesting is that this - what's interesting is that this actually— what's interesting is that this actually named the person who it seems _ actually named the person who it seems putin would want to install. a former— seems putin would want to install. a former ukrainian mp who seems to be laughing _ former ukrainian mp who seems to be laughing at the whole suggestion. but it— laughing at the whole suggestion. but it surely isn't a surprise that this is— but it surely isn't a surprise that this is the — but it surely isn't a surprise that this is the extent to which moscow wants to _ this is the extent to which moscow wants to go, but i think this kind of announcement really shows the level of _ of announcement really shows the level of concern about what's happening in ukraine. there are 100,000— happening in ukraine. there are 100,000 troops on the border. you have senior— 100,000 troops on the border. you have senior mps who've been to you came _ have senior mps who've been to you came -- _ have senior mps who've been to you came —— ukraine. forthe first time ina came —— ukraine. forthe first time in a generation. you have the us secretary— in a generation. you have the us secretary of state meeting with senior— secretary of state meeting with senior crimea officials. ben wallace... we don't seem to be getting — wallace... we don't seem to be getting anywhere. there have been strong _ getting anywhere. there have been strong words coming out of downing street, _ strong words coming out of downing street, warning of sanctions. whether— street, warning of sanctions. whether that's a pipeline or international payments. thousands of people _ international payments. thousands of people could die, is essentially the risk here, — people could die, is essentially the risk here, if— people could die, is essentially the risk here, if putin pushes ahead. we are going to end with the telegraph. set to be pushed back, vaccine for blind. this with the telegraph. set to be pushed back, vaccine for blind.— back, vaccine for blind. this is the compulsory _ back, vaccine for blind. this is the compulsory policy _ back, vaccine for blind. this is the compulsory policy for _ back, vaccine for blind. this is the compulsory policy for any - back, vaccine for blind. this is the compulsory policy for any nhs - back, vaccine for blind. this is the l compulsory policy for any nhs staff and angling. all staff would have to be vaccinated by the beginning of april, meaning the 3rd of february is the deadline to have the first dose. it's not the 80,000 staff in the nhs are unvaccinated. there are questions around how effective this policy is. and how it can be. there's one suggestion from the royal college of gps that a bit more time might be helpful in convincing and persuading nhs staff, that getting the vaccine is the good idea. it remains to be seen whether there will be an extension. it really shines a light on the effectiveness of this sort of thing. these sorts of mandates are brought into drive up rates, but if you have this number of people in the nhs unwilling to get vaccinated at this late stage, will you ever persuade them? ., late stage, will you ever persuade them? . ~.. late stage, will you ever persuade them? . ., ., , them? calum mac donald and geri scott. i them? calum mac donald and geri scott- i am — them? calum mac donald and geri scott. i am impressed _ them? calum mac donald and geri scott. i am impressed with - them? calum mac donald and geri scott. i am impressed with the - scott. i am impressed with the wardrobe changes.— scott. i am impressed with the - wardrobe changes._ they wardrobe changes. thank you! they need to head _ wardrobe changes. thank you! they need to head to _ wardrobe changes. thank you! they need to head to twitter. _ wardrobe changes. thank you! they need to head to twitter. enjoy - wardrobe changes. thank you! they need to head to twitter. enjoy the l need to head to twitter. enjoy the rest of your weekend. thank you for joining us here on bbc news. plenty more news coming up. cheerio.

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