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"we have no plans to invade" — that was the message from russia's foreign minister after talks with the us about russian intentions in ukraine. his american counterpart said their discussions in geneva had been "frank and substantive", but also warned of "massive consequences" if moscow were to attack ukraine. russia has amassed 100,000 troops near its borders with ukraine, leading to grave international concern and to several european countries bolstering nato's military deployment in eastern europe. president putin has demanded that ukraine be stopped from everjoining nato. russia used to control much of the region, but many of those neighbouring nations have nowjoined the military alliance of european and north american countries, of which the uk is a part. from geneva, here's our diplomatic correspondent james landale. more russian forces on the move, surface—to—air missiles in the country's far east, due to join what moscow says are military exercises near ukraine. part of the growing build—up of troops and equipment revealed by images of strategic locations close to the border. what western powers fear may be russian preparation for war. but for now, the diplomacy continues, too. america's and russia's top diplomats met in geneva, and at first couldn't even agree how to greet one another, with one question on everyone's lips. is an invasion likely, as president biden suggested? mr lavrov seemed to suggest it was up to the united states and later dismissed talk of invasion as hysterical rhetoric designed to provoke ukraine. what does russia want most? an unstable, dependent ukraine? or a new sphere of influence in eastern europe? translation: we are not trying to get a sphere of influence, - but what nato is doing shows it considers ukraine to be part of its sphere of influence. that is at the heart of moscow's fears — that ukraine, despite its historical and cultural links to russia, could become yet another former soviet country to join nato, as the western alliance spreads east. and such is ukraine's strategic importance to moscow that when a pro—russian leader was driven from power in 2014, russia annexed crimea, ensuring its navy still had access to the black sea. russia also sparked an internal war in eastern ukraine, what has since become a frozen conflict between pro—russian separatists and government forces, fighting that cost more than 13,000 lives. and now, president putin is demanding nato deny ukraine membership forever. and withdraw forces from eastern europe. america's secretary of state rejected these as nonstarters and once again sought to deter any military action. we've been clear. if any russian military forces move across ukraine's border, _ that's a renewed invasion. it will be met with swift, - severe and a united response from the united states- and our partners and allies. there was no breakthrough at the talks here today, no deal to reduce the threat of war. but there was agreement for diplomacy to continue. the us will put forward ideas for more security cooperation next week. both sides will meet again after that. these are turbulent times. but for now, russia appears willing to continue talking, and western diplomats hope that might mean not fighting. james landale, bbc news, geneva. we can speak now to lord darrock, who's a former uk ambassdor to the united states and also served as the national security adviser to the uk government from 2012—2015. thank you very much for talking to us this evening. what do you make of the efforts that are being made by nato and other countries and what we used to call the west to try and contain the threat from russia towards ukraine? the meetings earlier this _ towards ukraine? the meetings earlier this week _ towards ukraine? the meetings earlier this week showed - towards ukraine? the meetings earlier this week showed a - earlier this week showed a reasonable, relatively commendable degree of solidarity amongst western allies on this issue. and i think today's meeting between the secretary of state and the russian foreign minister, there is now a process, the americans are providing a paper next week for the russians responding to the russian demands. and then after that there will be another meeting. so i don't think there's been much progress on the substance about the diplomacy as the correspondent said is continuing and that's better than nothing out of the meeting today. the that's better than nothing out of the meeting today. the difficulty i su ose the meeting today. the difficulty i sunpose it's _ the meeting today. the difficulty i suppose it's knowing _ the meeting today. the difficulty i suppose it's knowing exactly - the meeting today. the difficulty i suppose it's knowing exactly whati suppose it's knowing exactly what would satisfy russia given that almost nobody, at least in the west, has said that any of the demands and certainly not the whole packet of demands is one that nato could possibly exceed too. but is it clear what would be the kind of minimum except set of agreements, set of guarantees, set of treaties or whatever it may be that would leave vladimir putin to feel that he had achieved enough of an objective that he did not need to consider any kind of military intervention even in a small part of what remains of ukraine? , , ~ , , ., ukraine? this is the key question. and i don't — ukraine? this is the key question. and i don't know _ ukraine? this is the key question. and i don't know the _ ukraine? this is the key question. and i don't know the answer - ukraine? this is the key question. and i don't know the answer and l ukraine? this is the key question. and i don't know the answer and i | and i don't know the answer and i don't think any of us know the answer. what is clearly not a double and what is not going to be on offer is giving russia some kind of veto over the ukrainian admission into nato. ukraine is a sovereign independent country and has a right tojoint independent country and has a right to joint whatever international organisation orforeign to joint whatever international organisation or foreign policy it wants to. what i think is possible is and is conceivable is a negotiation with russia on some new security architecture from europe. the model here is the imf agreement of the 1980s under which intermediate and short range missiles were banned, and that would if the russian issue is the risk in the future of nato missiles on the russian border, sitting in ukraine, that would take that away. and of course that would mean the russians, too, had to withdraw weapons or destroy missiles or whatever, so it would be a strategic level of negotiation with concessions on both sides and i suspect something like this may be on offer from the americans, but i have no idea whether vladimir putin would regard as equitable. whether vladimir putin would regard as equitable-— as equitable. you're performing the national security _ as equitable. you're performing the national security role _ as equitable. you're performing the national security role at _ as equitable. you're performing the national security role at the - as equitable. you're performing the national security role at the time i national security role at the time that crimea was annexed or eventually the annexation, the process it led to the annexation of crimea. what lessons do you draw from that time?— from that time? listen... in the lesson that _ from that time? listen... in the lesson that leonard _ from that time? listen... in the lesson that leonard pruden - from that time? listen... in the l lesson that leonard pruden would have drawn is it is externally unlikely and it still the case they will be any military response if he were to send some of 100,000 troops across the border into ukraine. a military response in ukraine, yes, but not a military response from europe or the us or nato, who did not when he annexed crimea, which was part of ukraine. and i don't think it would happen now. but it does not mean there will be no cost to him. there would be international condemnation and there will be a very heavy set of nomadic sanctions for the russia is not a happy doing well economically and this could really damage russians, especially if hints from the germans they might cancel the nordstream pipelines are not to be german policy. the other question you have to wonder is what they think of the day after their invasion of ukraine, their policy would be fulsome over the strategy and i think are they going to stay there? are they going to get bogged down in ukraine indefinitely? quite what the exit strategy will be in ukraine. �* , , g ., �* ukraine. apparently joe biden did instruct meteorologist _ ukraine. apparently joe biden did instruct meteorologist to - ukraine. apparently joe biden did instruct meteorologist to look - ukraine. apparently joe biden did instruct meteorologist to look at. instruct meteorologist to look at the weather in ukraine, which some may sound a little bit eccentric, but actually there is quite a serious point here. there is only a relatively short window in which a military intervention could take place because if ukraine freezes over, rather if the frost eases and the weather gets warmer, the tanks don't do well in the mud.— don't do well in the mud. there is a lona don't do well in the mud. there is a long history — don't do well in the mud. there is a long history of _ don't do well in the mud. there is a long history of armies _ don't do well in the mud. there is a long history of armies finding - don't do well in the mud. there is a long history of armies finding the i long history of armies finding the terrain in that part of the world, whether ukraine or russia, very difficult. whether it's in the depths of winter when all the ice and snow, or when the rains come in the ground get soft and muddy. so, i assume that the russian military strategists have thought about this as they tend to do, but is a mystery to me just what the longer plan would be if they were to go ahead with the invasion. maybe the troops there are just to bully and intimidate ukrainians and the west, but we'll see. intimidate ukrainians and the west, but we'll see-— but we'll see. pleasure to speak to ou, but we'll see. pleasure to speak to you. thank — but we'll see. pleasure to speak to you. thank you _ but we'll see. pleasure to speak to you. thank you very _ but we'll see. pleasure to speak to you, thank you very much - but we'll see. pleasure to speak to you, thank you very much for- but we'll see. pleasure to speak to you, thank you very much for your| you, thank you very much for your time and your insight this evening. we can speak now to samantha debendrun, who's an associate fellow in the russia eurasia programme at chatham house think—tank. in the early 2000s, she'd worked for nato with special responsibility for ukraine. which raises the question i suppose people would ask, should we have seen any of this coming?— seen any of this coming? hello. thanks for— seen any of this coming? hello. thanks for having _ seen any of this coming? hello. thanks for having me _ seen any of this coming? hello. thanks for having me on - seen any of this coming? hello. thanks for having me on the - seen any of this coming? hello. i thanks for having me on the show. should _ thanks for having me on the show. should we — thanks for having me on the show. should we have seen this coming? ukraine _ should we have seen this coming? ukraine is— should we have seen this coming? ukraine is been talking about the idea of— ukraine is been talking about the idea ofjoining data for the last 20 years _ idea ofjoining data for the last 20 years and — idea ofjoining data for the last 20 years. and one of the things i think is really— years. and one of the things i think is really important for everybody to realise _ is really important for everybody to realise is _ is really important for everybody to realise is that ukraine cannotjoin nato _ realise is that ukraine cannotjoin nato today. who knows that and nato member_ nato today. who knows that and nato member states know that. the simple reason _ member states know that. the simple reason is _ member states know that. the simple reason is under the conditions for exceeding — reason is under the conditions for exceeding two nato is to have no territorial — exceeding two nato is to have no territorial disputes. hooton has in effect _ territorial disputes. hooton has in effect out — territorial disputes. hooton has in effect put a veto on ukraine joining nato hy— effect put a veto on ukraine joining nato by his invasion of crimea and try nato by his invasion of crimea and by the _ nato by his invasion of crimea and by the annexation of the donbas. the fact he _ by the annexation of the donbas. the fact he is— by the annexation of the donbas. the fact he is talking about guarantees that ukraine would neverjoin nato is a lot— that ukraine would neverjoin nato is a lot of— that ukraine would neverjoin nato is a lot of hot air and he is actually— is a lot of hot air and he is actually trying to create a situation that looks as though nato is about— situation that looks as though nato is about to — situation that looks as though nato is about to exit ukraine and ukraine both set— is about to exit ukraine and ukraine both set ”p— is about to exit ukraine and ukraine both set up today that is not possible _ both set up today that is not possible under present circumstances.- possible under present circumstances. that's a very interesting _ circumstances. that's a very interesting bit _ circumstances. that's a very interesting bit of _ circumstances. that's a very| interesting bit of background circumstances. that's a very . interesting bit of background as circumstances. that's a very - interesting bit of background as i suspect many would not be aware of that. one of the other interesting things people may not be aware of is the history of this change in the relationship between these countries and russia and the west. and one thing that some analysis and pointed out is a series of countries notwithstanding commitments that were made after the soviet union disintegrated when russia was sort of establishing his new relationship with the west and there was a sort of promise about that it would not expand, nato did expand but russia did not seem that bothered about it. i wonder what has changed for russia now to be that bothered about ukraine or is that really an excuse? that's a very interesting question, and first— that's a very interesting question, and first of— that's a very interesting question, and first of all i would really like to get _ and first of all i would really like to get back to the whole history of nato expansion. there were never any formal— nato expansion. there were never any formal promises made to russia that nato would not expand. there were discussions, russia basically asked the question of whether nato was still useful after the fall of the soviet — still useful after the fall of the soviet union and the dismemberment of the _ soviet union and the dismemberment of the warsaw pact. what happened is these newly independent states who would _ these newly independent states who would been invaded by the soviet union, _ would been invaded by the soviet union, which was now for them russia a successor— union, which was now for them russia a successor state to, these newly independent states felt very insecure. they had a relatively weak military— insecure. they had a relatively weak military and — insecure. they had a relatively weak military and they were still trying to recover— military and they were still trying to recover from years of occupation, and they— to recover from years of occupation, and they saw — to recover from years of occupation, and they saw that the best guarantee for their— and they saw that the best guarantee for their security was to join the alliance — for their security was to join the alliance. so they requested to join the alliance, not a question of nato going _ the alliance, not a question of nato going up— the alliance, not a question of nato going up and gobbling up other countries against their will. these were _ countries against their will. these were seven — countries against their will. these were seven countries amid a sovereign _ were seven countries amid a sovereign decision. and i actually was working at nato during the lot of the _ was working at nato during the lot of the discussions, the acknowledgement and post acknowledgement and post acknowledgement and post acknowledgement and the one thing important to understand is the countries — important to understand is the countries thatjoin important to understand is the countries that join nato, important to understand is the countries thatjoin nato, nato important to understand is the countries that join nato, nato was actually— countries that join nato, nato was actually asking some very concrete measures. — actually asking some very concrete measures, concrete steps had to be taken _ measures, concrete steps had to be taken and _ measures, concrete steps had to be taken and it— measures, concrete steps had to be taken and it was not easy to qualify for nato _ taken and it was not easy to qualify for nato membership. so, that is the first thing _ for nato membership. so, that is the first thing to understand about the expansion— first thing to understand about the expansion and regarding what is happening today, it is quite difficult _ happening today, it is quite difficult to understand what putin is asked — difficult to understand what putin is asked to try to do here because nothing has — is asked to try to do here because nothing has changed from the nato point of— nothing has changed from the nato point of view. nothing is really changed — point of view. nothing is really changed in ukraine apart from the fact that _ changed in ukraine apart from the fact that the minsk cease—fires have actually— fact that the minsk cease—fires have actually been breached a number of times, _ actually been breached a number of times, particular by russia since 2015 _ times, particular by russia since 2015. there are a number of ideas people _ 2015. there are a number of ideas people have put forward, one would be to— people have put forward, one would be to distract the population from the terrible situation in russia with— the terrible situation in russia with the — the terrible situation in russia with the coronavirus, with the effect — with the coronavirus, with the effect of — with the coronavirus, with the effect of sanctions and putin profit readies— effect of sanctions and putin profit readies plummeting in another also interesting fact is to talk about the nordstream pipeline, which now is seen _ the nordstream pipeline, which now is seen as— the nordstream pipeline, which now is seen as discussions have changed quite _ is seen as discussions have changed quite a _ is seen as discussions have changed quite a lot— is seen as discussions have changed quite a lot from it being something that many— quite a lot from it being something that many countries are not happy about, _ that many countries are not happy about, the — that many countries are not happy about, the us in particular is very unhappy— about, the us in particular is very unhappy about the idea of nordstream which your— unhappy about the idea of nordstream which your mind be written as a pipeline — which your mind be written as a pipeline which will bring russian -as pipeline which will bring russian gas to— pipeline which will bring russian gas to europe without going through ukraine _ gas to europe without going through ukraine. now that russia is threatening to invade ukraine, nordstream is something that people actually— nordstream is something that people actually will not accept if russia invades — actually will not accept if russia invades ukraine it. what does that mean? _ invades ukraine it. what does that mean? it — invades ukraine it. what does that mean? it was a does not invade ukraine, does it go ahead with the effect _ ukraine, does it go ahead with the effect of— ukraine, does it go ahead with the effect of luring the cursor each time _ effect of luring the cursor each time to— effect of luring the cursor each time to what is susceptible or what is not _ time to what is susceptible or what is not suitable.— is not suitable. that's dangerous messa . e. is not suitable. that's dangerous message. thank _ is not suitable. that's dangerous message. thank you _ is not suitable. that's dangerous message. thank you very - is not suitable. that's dangerous message. thank you very much, | message. thank you very much, fascinating and it was a good talk longer but fascinating and i hope we will have a chance to talk about this again and perhaps things will be a little clearer in a couple of weeks about what might be a way out of this crisis but for now thank you very much. of this crisis but for now thank you very much-— and we'll find out how this story and many others are covered in tomorrow's front pages at 10:30pm and 11:30pm this evening in the papers. 0ur guestsjoining me tonight are sam lister, who's the deputy political editor at the daily express, and the broadcaster and journalist james lewer. aid agencies say saudi—led air strikes in northern yemen have killed more than 70 people, with many more wounded. the medical charity medicins sans frontieres said a nearby hospital was overwhelmed by casualties. thousands of people on the streets of the capital, sanaa, have protested against the attacks. saudi—led coalition forces, which have been backed in yemen since 2015. earlier, i spoke to amjad yamin, advocacy and campaigns director for save the children yemen, and he explained details of the strikes were still emerging. our understanding until now is that in sanaa, at least 67 people have been killed and more than 108 have been injured. and in hudaydah, at least four children have been killed. another number of those killed is still unclear, and more than 70 injured. the health staff are still struggling to provide emergency medical aid. paramedics are still trying to dig through the rubble to try and find more people hopefully alive, but as the reporter said, it is increasingly unlikely now. the health system is overwhelmed, particularly as this last week, this was not the only attack. there were at least three other hospitals that were hit just since last friday, which shows how difficult it is right now to respond to the level of destruction and civilian casualties that we are seeing in the country. it's almost seven years now this conflict has been going on. the delusion that it would be a short, sharp intervention to restore the government, nobody believes that any more, they accept. and we are told the parties are desperately keen to disengage, to bring this to an end — yet we have successions of incidences of this kind. is this a kind of brutal attempt to bring the war to an end, or is it for you, an indication that the military objectives have been lost sight of the civilian damage that's been done as a result? we honestly really worry about the trajectory of the conflict right now. the last three months of 2021, for example, so more than a 60% increase in the number of civilian casualties. i don't know how killing civilians would achieve peace. the only scenario where peace can be achieved is parties to the conflict to come to the table and find a solution. clearly seven years of destruction and fighting back and forth has not found an end to this. and the international community needs to find a sensible solution that would spare the civilians their suffering. yemen continues to be one of the most dangerous places for children to grow up in, and it's not only the immediate effects that we are worried about. we are worried the longer this lasts, the harder it will be for children of the country to recover. for example, one of our studies showed that at least 40% of the children whose schools have been attacked have not returned to education yet. it'll take years to bring them back to study. and if we do not stop now, if we don't find a solution to what's happening in the country now, we'll see more and more children and families destroyed, killed and lose their infrastructure on a daily basis. one of the deals that was struck during the course of this long conflict was to allow the access of aid through hudaydah, there was a reluctant agreement between the two sides to allow that to happen. is that now a settled part of this, that aid gets in relatively easily? or is it a constant battle to get the partners to disengage long enough for your staff to be safe, at least for the moments when they are delivering the aid? honestly it's not getting any easier, if anything it's getting a lot harder. today, between the bureaucracy, the ongoing fighting and our inability to get approvals for basic items, it's making it very, very difficult for us to deliver aid. just simple stuff like getting approval on a very small programme to deliver aid to one town or another takes 3—4 months when you're trying to do this over 12 months. so, then you automatically lose 30—a0% of the time you have, then you crunch everything into a small time that doesn't allow you to deliver everything to people who need it. the damaged infrastructure as well doesn't make it any easier. just three days ago on wednesday, sorry, a water reservoir in sanaa was also attacked. we were already trying to respond to the incident in sanaa, and then that water reservoir cuts off more than 120,000 people from water. then you divert all your attention to trying to bring water to people just so they can protect themselves. we're also still looking at covid in the country, with no end in sight, no vaccination, no way to do social distancing. so, the situation on the ground does not improve in any way, shape orform, and we need the parties to conflict to talk about this, to be serious about finding a solution. because otherwise, we will talk about this next year on the eighth anniversary of the conflict, then the ninth year, and thousands of children are being killed every year. levels of coronavirus are falling in england, scotland and wales, according to official figures. but the government is still facing the challenge of how to persuade more than 4 million people in the uk to take up the offer of a vaccine. bbc analysis shows that younger people continue to be the most reluctant to be fully vaccinated, with almost a third of 18—29—year—olds not having had the first two jabs. 0ur health editor hugh pym reports. a vaccination campaign with a difference. and you could and up with long covid, which is no fun. team halo videos have had more than 250 million views. please don't play this russian roulette with your life. they're focused on debunking vaccine misinformation. let's talk about long covid. dr bnar talabani is one expert working on the project from her home in cardiff. she aims to reassure people that the vaccine is safe. evelyn, whose identity we're protecting, is in her 30s and lives in southern scotland. she has a family history of rheumatoid arthritis, and although she wants the jab, she is worried. we always talk about medicines and i try to work out what hopefully won't trigger off an autoimmune response in myself. and that's what makes me nervous about the covid—19 jab. there's no evidence to say that you will get rheumatoid arthritis or any autoimmune disease if you have the vaccine. i think a lot of the times, people don't have access to accurate information and knowing how to deal the difference between what's nonsense and what's information and what's accurate is very difficult. elite sports players have been under the spotlight over their vaccination status. at worcester warriors rugby club, they're well ahead of an 85% target set for leading english clubs. guidance was offered to those players who had early doubts. i think with anything, - there's always reluctance until you give them the facts. and that's what we do with anything, whether it's rugby—related _ or medical—related. and i think that's all we did. players are always curious. among the over—60s, more than 90% have had their first two doses, but as you go down the age groups, that falls away quite noticeably. and that's why younger people are seen as a key target group for the continued vaccination programme. it was really confusing. some wanting to start a family have questions. these new mums at the bundle baby class said it wasn't a straightforward decision, but they did get vaccinated while they were pregnant. lots of friends were saying that i shouldn't have the vaccine because i was pregnant and that it might harm the baby. a lot of the research and the data that was out there, even when you're speaking to a gp, it didn't seem like there was a lot of robust information. when i turned 13 weeks, so got into the second trimester, i immediately went to get the vaccine and i'd been waiting to get the vaccine, actually. i was actually having arguments with my husband about it because he was keen for me not to and to wait, because he was worried about the impact on the baby. he wasn't sure, and i was upset with him because i'd been doing a lot of research. some countries are making vaccination compulsory. for now, the approach in the uk is dialogue, but there's clearly more work to be done to convince those who still don't want the jab. hugh pym, bbc news. the latest figures show the number of people testing positive for coronavirus continues to fall, with almost 95,800 new infections recorded in the latest 24—hour period. on average, just over 92,400 new cases were reported per day in the last week. the number of people in hospital with covid has fallen again tojust under 18,000. there were 288 deaths reported in the latest 24—hour period, that's of people who died within 28 days of a positive test, though there will be some amongst this number who won't have died from covid. on average in the past week, 268 deaths were announced every day. 0n vaccinations, just over 36,750,000 people have now had a boosterjab, which means that nearly 64% of people aged 12 and over have now had three vaccine doses. the first minister of wales, mark drakeford, has said he believes the peak of the 0micron wave has passed. his comments came as there were more easing of covid restrictions in wales today, as well as in northern ireland. in a moment, we'll hearfrom emma vardy in belfast, but first, here's tomos morgan in cardiff. so, the easing today was really around outdoor activities. the first one being that the limit on sporting activities outdoors, spectators essentially, has now been scrapped, which means that this place behind me, the principality stadium, will be able to welcome a max capacity crowd for the six nations just in time next month. and secondly, the rule of six and outdoor social distancing on hospitality has also now come to an end. now, similar restrictions on indoor hospitality and nightclubs, which are still closed, they may be scrapped next friday all being well, according to the first minister. this comes on a day mark drakeford saying that that the number of people who have covid is declining faster in wales than any other part of the uk. however, at the moment, covid passes and facemasks will still be needed on public transport. the next review here due on the 10th of february. well, political leaders here in northern ireland say the relaxations today are a reflection, too, of the fact that they believe here, as well, that peak has now passed in terms of the number of cases and hospitalisations. so, from today, and just in time for friday night drinks, that mandatory table service rule in pubs and restaurants has been dropped. the limit of six people to a table has also now ended. and in terms of households being able to meet up in private homes indoors, the limit of three, well, that rule has also ended today, too. there's another significant change coming here in northern ireland next week, because from wednesday, you'll no longer need vaccine passports to get into pubs and reference and cinemas, too. now, as you can imagine, that's all been very much welcomed here by the hospitality industry, but ministers say their message to the public is, yes, there are relaxations, but they still want people to take their own precautions. a former metropolitan police counterterrorism detective has been jailed for three years for secretly filming models during fake photoshoots. neil corbel committed his crimes in hotel rooms and rented accommodation across the uk. he used cameras in tissue boxes, phone—chargers and in glasses to film women. corbel pleaded guilty to 19 counts of voyeurism. anna adams reports. they thought they'd been booked for a modelling assignment, but instead, dozens of women were secretly filmed by an off—duty police officer while they were undressing. he called himself harrison and said he was a pilot — but in fact, he was detective inspector neil corbel from the met. he covertly recorded 31 women between 2017—2020 and stored the images on his police laptop. corbel, who has now resigned from the met, admitted to 19 counts of voyeurism. he was sentenced to three years in jail. the judge said his actions had seriously undermined public trust in the police. he was tracked down by fellow officers after an 18—month investigation. there is still disbelief when i hear of officers doing things such as this, because it's a betrayal, damaging trust and confidence. it really hurts. one of the women — who we're calling jessica — was booked by corbel after he found her photos on a modelling website. he introduced himself and said how he did photography as a hobby, and how he'd seen my portfolio. there seemed to be nothing out of the ordinary about it. corbel had spy cameras hidden in an alarm clock and a phone—charger to secretly record her naked. jessica was eventually called into a police station. it raises further questions for the metjust months after another officer, wayne couzens, was given a whole life sentence for the kidnap, rape and murder of sarah everard. jessica says both cases have changed the way she now views police officers. it makes you not trust the police. people call the police when they're in vulnerable positions and they want someone they can trust. anna adams, bbc news. a man has been charged with murder and attempted murder following an attack on a married couple in their 80s at their home near shirebrook in derbyshire. freda walker died and her 88—year—old husband, kenneth walker, suffered life—threatening injuries. the couple were found by a neighbour on saturday. vasile culea has been remanded in custody. a british man has been shot and killed while visiting his girlfriend in the united states. matthew willson, from surrey, was found in bed with a single gunshot wound to the head. police were called on the 16th of january after neighbours in brookhaven, georgia reported hearing multiple shots being fired. local police said the shooting was "random" and involved the "reckless discharge of firearms" in a neighbouring building. a "shameful shambles" — that's the verdict of mps on the underpayment of the state pension to 134,000 pensioners, and they've warned that the mistakes could be repeated. the errors, which mainly affect women, date back as far as 1985, with some owed as much as £128,000. the department for work and pensions says it's resolving cases as quickly as possible, but its efforts have been described as ineffective. sarah corker reports. for four decades, thousands of women across the uk have been underpaid their state pensions. some are owed life—changing amounts of money. the bbc has heard from those who have had to fight to get errors corrected. you expect that the pension department won't make errors, really. itjust doesn't seem right when so much time has been lost, and so much money has been lost in the interim. if we hadn't have been persistent, we wouldn't have got anywhere. l the public accounts committee found errors dating back to 1985. more than 130,000 pensioners, mainly women, were under paid a total of £1 billion. 0utdated computer systems, manual processing, and complacency in monitoring errors have all been blamed. around 40,000 women have already died without receiving the money they are owed — there's no plan to trace theirfamilies. the dwp needs to sort out the air and get cracking with making sure that people in their estates, when they've died, have the payments that they are owed. but they also need to make sure they are sorting out their it systems for the future — and crucially, we want to see proper compensation. some women will now be fully repaid. but others, like jan in fife, can only backdate claims for 12 months — that's because of when her husband retired. she believes she's due £17,000. i first spoke to her last year. six months on, she's no furtherforward. i was always used to paper work, i mean, that was myjob. but it tires you, it wearies you... i mean, it makes you feel old. and i think that's what the government are hoping. the dwp says it's resolving cases as quickly as possible, and a team of up to 500 civil servants will be working to trace those affected. but it's a process that could take until the end of 2023 to complete. and all of this has a knock—on effect — experienced staff have been moved to fix these issues, and that's already causing a backlog in processing new applications. sarah corker, bbc news. there are growing concerns for female afghan protestors who led a recent demonstration for women's rights under the taliban, after at least two were said to have been taken in night raids. one woman, tamana paryani was abducted from her apartment by armed men along with her two sisters, neighbours told the bbc. other women who took part in same protest have said they are in hiding and that there is no news on the fate of the two missing women. the taliban, which has removed the right of most afghan women to work and to study, denies it is behind the abductions. 0ur correspondent quentin sommerville sent this report from kabul. chanting. in body and spirit afgan women are under attack from the taliban. here, fighting for the right to work, to teducation, they are pepper sprayed by taliban fighters at this protest last week. women have value, they shout. it takes raw courage to stand up to armed men who want to take away almost everything you've achieved in life. please help, the tele— band of come to my house, my please help, the taliban of come to my house, my sisters are at home, please. we don't want to hear now, she screams. tamana has been missing for two days now. we went to her home and try to find her. neighbours say women were taken away from here by armed men. you could see a footprint, a blueprint on the door, three women were taken away and they still haven't returned for the friends and family seven two say they haven't heard from them either. other women protesters were targeted that night, another is missing. still the taliban denies it took them. if they said they had detained them then that is the allegation and they will go to the court and the defendant themselves. this something but they are not the and they are making such a fake scene in shooting films in order to seek asylum abroad. but her friends tell a different story. translation: itold her as soon as possible, - leave your home, take this more seriously, you are in danger. when i got home a friend, also a protester, i don't want to mention her name, she was crying that she had been arrested by the taliban and she had reason released a video on social media. since the fall of the last government afghan women say increasingly they are prisoners in their own home for that they can't go out and do shopping, they can't visit friends and family and those that do raise their voice in protest are facing increasing intimidation from the taliban. over the last 20 years afghan women have cast off cultural and family prejudice to live freely. it's decades of progress the taliban not want to —— now rip away. the us rock star meat loaf has died at the age of 74. he sold more than 100 million albums in a career that spanned six decades. "bat out of hell," which was released in 1977, remains one of the best—selling albums of all time. his family announced the news on facebook, and said their hearts are broken. 0ur arts correspondent david sillito reports. # like a bat out of hell. # i'll be gone when the morning comes. meat loaf, bat out of hell. a sweat—drenched rock—and—roll epic that turned the man born marvin lee aday into one of the biggest—selling rock stars in the world. there have been many tributes. among them, cher, who sang with him on "dead ringer for love", bonnie tyler, and from "i'd do anything for love", lorraine crosby. we just gelled. we gelled perfectly. and obviously, that's why the song went the way it did. so, every time i think of meat loaf, i think about being in the studio with him. # i would do anything for love. # i'd never lie to you, and that's a fact. tearfully: you just knew. you knew it was going to be great, you know. i'm sorry, i'm getting. you knew, you just knew instinctively that the album was going to be huge. # and i would do anything for love. born in dallas, his mother was a teacher and singer, his father a policeman, and his childhood was tough. he was an alcoholic and he'd always beat me up as a kid. threw me through a plate—glass window, threw me through a door. his escape was acting and musicals. he got a part in hair, and then the rocky horror picture show. bat out of hell was a project he'd been working on for years with the writerjim steinman. the rock establishment was scornful, but the fans — especially in britain — loved it. # like a bat out of hell. # 0h, like a bat out of hell. but its huge success, and the pressures it brought, almost killed him. then followed years of lawsuits. he claimed he never made a dime out of it. but he did go on to make some great records, but nothing would ever top bat out of hell. a glorious, over—the—top, emotional battering ram. a rock—and—roll masterpiece. # ..hell. ..#. meatloaf whose death has been announced today, he was 74. henry yates has written for a number of music publications. there is something so unlikely about meatloaf. if you are a music agent 45 years ago you would say, this is never gonna work.— 45 years ago you would say, this is never gonna work. absolutely, total anomal , never gonna work. absolutely, total anomaly. a — never gonna work. absolutely, total anomaly, a one-off, _ never gonna work. absolutely, total anomaly, a one-off, unrepeatable. | never gonna work. absolutely, total| anomaly, a one-off, unrepeatable. i anomaly, a one—off, unrepeatable. i can't imagine it it it is very far in the pop idol finalist. i always think of him... he was almost like an opera singer walked to the wrong door and ended up in a rock and roll band. that's all he seemed to me. people are getting this meatloaf for all kinds of reasons but i think you've got to start with the voice. i mean, i don't know where it came from, it was dramatic, theatrical, bombastic, overblown, i could go on. and so powerful. in the early days it was said a sort story that one of his early bands —— he put the microphone on the side doing that far side of his voice was too ludicrously powerful. we talked about what's really interesting about what's really interesting about meatloaf is notjust how much he sold but when he sold those records was up to give you a bit contest, 1977, most people know this is a hierarchy of british punk, is that people like the six pistols, the class, johnny ryan all playa and their trade, the class, johnny ryan all playa and theirtrade, everything the class, johnny ryan all playa and their trade, everything is kind of street—level attitude, curled lips, mentalism basically. then you get this album that as you say, is completely of the top and these epic songs often ten minutes for the pure escapism, back inquires, fantasy layers, it completely went against the grain and yet if you line up the punks and compare them to meet lowe's sales figures, comparison way he took them to be absolute cleaners. that's how well it sold him a 43 million copies, it was on the uk charts for 500 weeks this six pistols never came close to those figures. the amazing thing is that he did it again. he had a lean eighties, meatloaf struggled in the 80s because he broke withjim steinman. i 80s because he broke with jim steinman. . , 80s because he broke with jim steinman— 80s because he broke with jim steinman. ., , ., ., ., g steinman. i was going to mention jim simon because _ steinman. i was going to mention jim simon because in a _ steinman. i was going to mention jim simon because in a sense _ steinman. i was going to mention jim simon because in a sense the - steinman. i was going to mention jim simon because in a sense the story i simon because in a sense the story of meatloaf is also the story ofjim steinman who also died not that long ago. how important was the lyrics, his skills as a perhaps more formal musician in contributing to meatloaf�*s success? meatloaf was a show man but it was a partnership. absolutely. the assignment was vastly important, they met each other in 1973 when meatloaf auditioned for one of his musicals and they formed this incredible partnership. meatloaf was the voice box but steinman was the power behind the throne. he wrote everything, he died last year. they had their eruptions over the years but they died on good terms. so i think people will be quite pleased about that. simon was so up to that important to his accent. meatloaf could deliver the songs but it took steinman to write them. do could deliver the songs but it took steinman to write them.— could deliver the songs but it took steinman to write them. do you think --eole will steinman to write them. do you think people will carry _ steinman to write them. do you think people will carry on — steinman to write them. do you think people will carry on listening - steinman to write them. do you think people will carry on listening to - people will carry on listening to meatloaf? i was struck by the range of people who are paying tribute. artists who work with him at bonnie tyler but then you get performers like boy george and then you get composers like andrew lloyd webber who clearly thinks the death of meatloaf is a significant musical event. j meatloaf is a significant musical event. ~' ., ., ~' meatloaf is a significant musical event. ~ ., ., ~ ., event. i think looking at the attributes — event. i think looking at the attributes been _ event. i think looking at the attributes been paid - event. i think looking at the attributes been paid they i event. i think looking at the . attributes been paid they really event. i think looking at the - attributes been paid they really run the gamut. i think that shows that meatloaf made an enormous impact even on people from genres you wouldn't necessarily think. boy george come up andrew lloyd webber, stephen fry he was in the sketch with them a long time ago. if you're talking about younger people as well, whenever you hear someone who is god in enormous boys and blows the doors off i think meatloaf is in the doors off i think meatloaf is in the dna whether they realise it or not. ml demeo, an incredibly powerful irish vocalist, she was one of the first to pay tribute, justin hawkins from the darkness, another guy who uses his voice like a weapon. i think critics have always been snippy about meatloaf but i think people know, vocalist know what he brought to the party. there is no doubt rock and roll has lost a pretty defining voice.— is no doubt rock and roll has lost a pretty defining voice. yeah, perhaps monda we pretty defining voice. yeah, perhaps monday we will _ pretty defining voice. yeah, perhaps monday we will have _ pretty defining voice. yeah, perhaps monday we will have the _ pretty defining voice. yeah, perhaps monday we will have the biopic - pretty defining voice. yeah, perhaps monday we will have the biopic of i monday we will have the biopic of the musical of meatloaf�*s life. for me there is something about meatloaf. thanks very much for giving that warm tribute to meatloaf whose death was announced today at the end of the net age of 74. how do you follow that? 0nly one—way with newswatch. hello and welcome to newswatch with me, samira ahmed. not for the first time the bbc�*s political coverage comes under fire for an alleged lack of balance. we asked fran unsworth, soon to lead the corporation after four years after leaving its news division about impartiality, accountability and making the most of a shrinking budget. it's been a significant week for a bbc with monday's announcement from culture secretary nadine dorries that the licence fee would be frozen for the next two years. bbc�*s chairman richard sharp reacted like this. what it means for the bbc is with less money in real terms,

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a £1 billion pound shortfall in state pension payments to tens of thousands of women because of government errors has been branded "a shameful shambles" by a committee of mps. # like a bat out of hell, i'll be - gone when the morning comes...# and the singer meat loaf, who recorded one of the biggest—selling albums of all time, has died at the age of 7a. good evening. "we have no plans to invade" — that was the message from russia's foreign minister after talks with the us about russian intentions in ukraine. his american counterpart said their discussions in geneva had been "frank and substantive", but also warned of "massive consequences" if moscow were to attack ukraine. russia has amassed 100,000 troops near its borders with ukraine, leading to grave international concern and to several european countries bolstering nato's military deployment in eastern europe. president putin has demanded that ukraine be stopped from everjoining nato. russia used to control much of the region, but many of those neighbouring nations have nowjoined the military alliance of european and north american countries, of which the uk is a part. from geneva, here's our diplomatic correspondent james landale. more russian forces on the move, surface—to—air missiles in the country's far east, due to join what moscow says are military exercises near ukraine. part of the growing build—up of troops and equipment revealed by images of strategic locations close to the border. what western powers fear may be russian preparation for war. but for now, the diplomacy continues, too. america's and russia's top diplomats met in geneva, and at first couldn't even agree how to greet one another, with one question on everyone's lips. is an invasion likely, as president biden suggested? mr lavrov seemed to suggest it was up to the united states and later dismissed talk of invasion as hysterical rhetoric designed to provoke ukraine. what does russia want most? an unstable, dependent ukraine? or a new sphere of influence in eastern europe? translation: we are not trying to get a sphere of influence, - but what nato is doing shows it considers ukraine to be part of its sphere of influence. that is at the heart of moscow's fears — that ukraine, despite its historical and cultural links to russia, could become yet another former soviet country to join nato, as the western alliance spreads east. and such is ukraine's strategic importance to moscow that when a pro—russian leader was driven from power in 2014, russia annexed crimea, ensuring its navy still had access to the black sea. russia also sparked an internal war in eastern ukraine, what has since become a frozen conflict between pro—russian separatists and government forces, fighting that cost more than 13,000 lives. and now, president putin is demanding nato deny ukraine membership forever. and withdraw forces from eastern europe. america's secretary of state rejected these as nonstarters and once again sought to deter any military action. we've been clear. if any russian military forces move across ukraine's border, _ that's a renewed invasion. it will be met with swift, - severe and a united response from the united states- and our partners and allies. there was no breakthrough at the talks here today, no deal to reduce the threat of war. but there was agreement for diplomacy to continue. the us will put forward ideas for more security cooperation next week. both sides will meet again after that. these are turbulent times. but for now, russia appears willing to continue talking, and western diplomats hope that might mean not fighting. james landale, bbc news, geneva. we can speak now to lord darrock, who's a former uk ambassdor to the united states and also served as the national security adviser to the uk government from 2012—2015. thank you very much for talking to us this evening. what do you make of the efforts that are being made by nato and other countries and what we used to call the west to try and contain the threat from russia towards ukraine? the meetings earlier this _ towards ukraine? the meetings earlier this week _ towards ukraine? the meetings earlier this week showed - towards ukraine? the meetings earlier this week showed a - earlier this week showed a reasonable, relatively commendable degree of solidarity amongst western allies on this issue. and i think today's meeting between the secretary of state and the russian foreign minister, there is now a process, the americans are providing a paper next week for the russians responding to the russian demands. and then after that there will be another meeting. so i don't think there's been much progress on the substance about the diplomacy as the correspondent said is continuing and that's better than nothing out of the meeting today. the that's better than nothing out of the meeting today. the difficulty i su ose the meeting today. the difficulty i sunpose it's _ the meeting today. the difficulty i suppose it's knowing _ the meeting today. the difficulty i suppose it's knowing exactly - the meeting today. the difficulty i suppose it's knowing exactly whati suppose it's knowing exactly what would satisfy russia given that almost nobody, at least in the west, has said that any of the demands and certainly not the whole packet of demands is one that nato could possibly exceed too. but is it clear what would be the kind of minimum except set of agreements, set of guarantees, set of treaties or whatever it may be that would leave vladimir putin to feel that he had achieved enough of an objective that he did not need to consider any kind of military intervention even in a small part of what remains of ukraine? , , ~ , , ., ukraine? this is the key question. and i don't — ukraine? this is the key question. and i don't know _ ukraine? this is the key question. and i don't know the _ ukraine? this is the key question. and i don't know the answer - ukraine? this is the key question. and i don't know the answer and l ukraine? this is the key question. and i don't know the answer and i | and i don't know the answer and i don't think any of us know the answer. what is clearly not a double and what is not going to be on offer is giving russia some kind of veto over the ukrainian admission into nato. ukraine is a sovereign independent country and has a right tojoint independent country and has a right to joint whatever international organisation orforeign to joint whatever international organisation or foreign policy it wants to. what i think is possible is and is conceivable is a negotiation with russia on some new security architecture from europe. the model here is the imf agreement of the 1980s under which intermediate and short range missiles were banned, and that would if the russian issue is the risk in the future of nato missiles on the russian border, sitting in ukraine, that would take that away. and of course that would mean the russians, too, had to withdraw weapons or destroy missiles or whatever, so it would be a strategic level of negotiation with concessions on both sides and i suspect something like this may be on offer from the americans, but i have no idea whether vladimir putin would regard as equitable. whether vladimir putin would regard as equitable-— as equitable. you're performing the national security _ as equitable. you're performing the national security role _ as equitable. you're performing the national security role at _ as equitable. you're performing the national security role at the - as equitable. you're performing the national security role at the time i national security role at the time that crimea was annexed or eventually the annexation, the process it led to the annexation of crimea. what lessons do you draw from that time?— from that time? listen... in the lesson that _ from that time? listen... in the lesson that leonard _ from that time? listen... in the lesson that leonard pruden - from that time? listen... in the l lesson that leonard pruden would have drawn is it is externally unlikely and it still the case they will be any military response if he were to send some of 100,000 troops across the border into ukraine. a military response in ukraine, yes, but not a military response from europe or the us or nato, who did not when he annexed crimea, which was part of ukraine. and i don't think it would happen now. but it does not mean there will be no cost to him. there would be international condemnation and there will be a very heavy set of nomadic sanctions for the russia is not a happy doing well economically and this could really damage russians, especially if hints from the germans they might cancel the nordstream pipelines are not to be german policy. the other question you have to wonder is what they think of the day after their invasion of ukraine, their policy would be fulsome over the strategy and i think are they going to stay there? are they going to get bogged down in ukraine indefinitely? quite what the exit strategy will be in ukraine. �* , , g ., �* ukraine. apparently joe biden did instruct meteorologist _ ukraine. apparently joe biden did instruct meteorologist to - ukraine. apparently joe biden did instruct meteorologist to look - ukraine. apparently joe biden did instruct meteorologist to look at. instruct meteorologist to look at the weather in ukraine, which some may sound a little bit eccentric, but actually there is quite a serious point here. there is only a relatively short window in which a military intervention could take place because if ukraine freezes over, rather if the frost eases and the weather gets warmer, the tanks don't do well in the mud.— don't do well in the mud. there is a lona don't do well in the mud. there is a long history — don't do well in the mud. there is a long history of _ don't do well in the mud. there is a long history of armies _ don't do well in the mud. there is a long history of armies finding - don't do well in the mud. there is a long history of armies finding the i long history of armies finding the terrain in that part of the world, whether ukraine or russia, very difficult. whether it's in the depths of winter when all the ice and snow, or when the rains come in the ground get soft and muddy. so, i assume that the russian military strategists have thought about this as they tend to do, but is a mystery to me just what the longer plan would be if they were to go ahead with the invasion. maybe the troops there are just to bully and intimidate ukrainians and the west, but we'll see. intimidate ukrainians and the west, but we'll see-— but we'll see. pleasure to speak to ou, but we'll see. pleasure to speak to you. thank — but we'll see. pleasure to speak to you. thank you _ but we'll see. pleasure to speak to you. thank you very _ but we'll see. pleasure to speak to you, thank you very much - but we'll see. pleasure to speak to you, thank you very much for- but we'll see. pleasure to speak to you, thank you very much for your| you, thank you very much for your time and your insight this evening. we can speak now to samantha debendrun, who's an associate fellow in the russia eurasia programme at chatham house think—tank. in the early 2000s, she'd worked for nato with special responsibility for ukraine. which raises the question i suppose people would ask, should we have seen any of this coming?— seen any of this coming? hello. thanks for— seen any of this coming? hello. thanks for having _ seen any of this coming? hello. thanks for having me _ seen any of this coming? hello. thanks for having me on - seen any of this coming? hello. thanks for having me on the - seen any of this coming? hello. i thanks for having me on the show. should _ thanks for having me on the show. should we — thanks for having me on the show. should we have seen this coming? ukraine _ should we have seen this coming? ukraine is— should we have seen this coming? ukraine is been talking about the idea of— ukraine is been talking about the idea ofjoining data for the last 20 years _ idea ofjoining data for the last 20 years and — idea ofjoining data for the last 20 years. and one of the things i think is really— years. and one of the things i think is really important for everybody to realise _ is really important for everybody to realise is _ is really important for everybody to realise is that ukraine cannotjoin nato _ realise is that ukraine cannotjoin nato today. who knows that and nato member_ nato today. who knows that and nato member states know that. the simple reason _ member states know that. the simple reason is _ member states know that. the simple reason is under the conditions for exceeding — reason is under the conditions for exceeding two nato is to have no territorial — exceeding two nato is to have no territorial disputes. hooton has in effect _ territorial disputes. hooton has in effect out — territorial disputes. hooton has in effect put a veto on ukraine joining nato hy— effect put a veto on ukraine joining nato by his invasion of crimea and try nato by his invasion of crimea and by the _ nato by his invasion of crimea and by the annexation of the donbas. the fact he _ by the annexation of the donbas. the fact he is— by the annexation of the donbas. the fact he is talking about guarantees that ukraine would neverjoin nato is a lot— that ukraine would neverjoin nato is a lot of— that ukraine would neverjoin nato is a lot of hot air and he is actually— is a lot of hot air and he is actually trying to create a situation that looks as though nato is about— situation that looks as though nato is about to — situation that looks as though nato is about to exit ukraine and ukraine both set— is about to exit ukraine and ukraine both set ”p— is about to exit ukraine and ukraine both set up today that is not possible _ both set up today that is not possible under present circumstances.- possible under present circumstances. that's a very interesting _ circumstances. that's a very interesting bit _ circumstances. that's a very interesting bit of _ circumstances. that's a very| interesting bit of background circumstances. that's a very . interesting bit of background as circumstances. that's a very - interesting bit of background as i suspect many would not be aware of that. one of the other interesting things people may not be aware of is the history of this change in the relationship between these countries and russia and the west. and one thing that some analysis and pointed out is a series of countries notwithstanding commitments that were made after the soviet union disintegrated when russia was sort of establishing his new relationship with the west and there was a sort of promise about that it would not expand, nato did expand but russia did not seem that bothered about it. i wonder what has changed for russia now to be that bothered about ukraine or is that really an excuse? that's a very interesting question, and first— that's a very interesting question, and first of— that's a very interesting question, and first of all i would really like to get _ and first of all i would really like to get back to the whole history of nato expansion. there were never any formal— nato expansion. there were never any formal promises made to russia that nato would not expand. there were discussions, russia basically asked the question of whether nato was still useful after the fall of the soviet — still useful after the fall of the soviet union and the dismemberment of the _ soviet union and the dismemberment of the warsaw pact. what happened is these newly independent states who would _ these newly independent states who would been invaded by the soviet union, _ would been invaded by the soviet union, which was now for them russia a successor— union, which was now for them russia a successor state to, these newly independent states felt very insecure. they had a relatively weak military— insecure. they had a relatively weak military and — insecure. they had a relatively weak military and they were still trying to recover— military and they were still trying to recover from years of occupation, and they— to recover from years of occupation, and they saw — to recover from years of occupation, and they saw that the best guarantee for their— and they saw that the best guarantee for their security was to join the alliance — for their security was to join the alliance. so they requested to join the alliance, not a question of nato going _ the alliance, not a question of nato going up— the alliance, not a question of nato going up and gobbling up other countries against their will. these were _ countries against their will. these were seven — countries against their will. these were seven countries amid a sovereign _ were seven countries amid a sovereign decision. and i actually was working at nato during the lot of the _ was working at nato during the lot of the discussions, the acknowledgement and post acknowledgement and post acknowledgement and post acknowledgement and the one thing important to understand is the countries — important to understand is the countries thatjoin important to understand is the countries that join nato, important to understand is the countries thatjoin nato, nato important to understand is the countries that join nato, nato was actually— countries that join nato, nato was actually asking some very concrete measures. — actually asking some very concrete measures, concrete steps had to be taken _ measures, concrete steps had to be taken and _ measures, concrete steps had to be taken and it— measures, concrete steps had to be taken and it was not easy to qualify for nato _ taken and it was not easy to qualify for nato membership. so, that is the first thing _ for nato membership. so, that is the first thing to understand about the expansion— first thing to understand about the expansion and regarding what is happening today, it is quite difficult _ happening today, it is quite difficult to understand what putin is asked — difficult to understand what putin is asked to try to do here because nothing has — is asked to try to do here because nothing has changed from the nato point of— nothing has changed from the nato point of view. nothing is really changed — point of view. nothing is really changed in ukraine apart from the fact that _ changed in ukraine apart from the fact that the minsk cease—fires have actually— fact that the minsk cease—fires have actually been breached a number of times, _ actually been breached a number of times, particular by russia since 2015 _ times, particular by russia since 2015. there are a number of ideas people _ 2015. there are a number of ideas people have put forward, one would be to— people have put forward, one would be to distract the population from the terrible situation in russia with— the terrible situation in russia with the — the terrible situation in russia with the coronavirus, with the effect — with the coronavirus, with the effect of — with the coronavirus, with the effect of sanctions and putin profit readies— effect of sanctions and putin profit readies plummeting in another also interesting fact is to talk about the nordstream pipeline, which now is seen _ the nordstream pipeline, which now is seen as— the nordstream pipeline, which now is seen as discussions have changed quite _ is seen as discussions have changed quite a _ is seen as discussions have changed quite a lot— is seen as discussions have changed quite a lot from it being something that many— quite a lot from it being something that many countries are not happy about, _ that many countries are not happy about, the — that many countries are not happy about, the us in particular is very unhappy— about, the us in particular is very unhappy about the idea of nordstream which your— unhappy about the idea of nordstream which your mind be written as a pipeline — which your mind be written as a pipeline which will bring russian -as pipeline which will bring russian gas to— pipeline which will bring russian gas to europe without going through ukraine _ gas to europe without going through ukraine. now that russia is threatening to invade ukraine, nordstream is something that people actually— nordstream is something that people actually will not accept if russia invades — actually will not accept if russia invades ukraine it. what does that mean? _ invades ukraine it. what does that mean? it — invades ukraine it. what does that mean? it was a does not invade ukraine, does it go ahead with the effect _ ukraine, does it go ahead with the effect of— ukraine, does it go ahead with the effect of luring the cursor each time _ effect of luring the cursor each time to— effect of luring the cursor each time to what is susceptible or what is not _ time to what is susceptible or what is not suitable.— is not suitable. that's dangerous messa . e. is not suitable. that's dangerous message. thank _ is not suitable. that's dangerous message. thank you _ is not suitable. that's dangerous message. thank you very - is not suitable. that's dangerous message. thank you very much, | message. thank you very much, fascinating and it was a good talk longer but fascinating and i hope we will have a chance to talk about this again and perhaps things will be a little clearer in a couple of weeks about what might be a way out of this crisis but for now thank you very much. of this crisis but for now thank you very much-— and we'll find out how this story and many others are covered in tomorrow's front pages at 10:30pm and 11:30pm this evening in the papers. 0ur guestsjoining me tonight are sam lister, who's the deputy political editor at the daily express, and the broadcaster and journalist james lewer. aid agencies say saudi—led air strikes in northern yemen have killed more than 70 people, with many more wounded. the medical charity medicins sans frontieres said a nearby hospital was overwhelmed by casualties. thousands of people on the streets of the capital, sanaa, have protested against the attacks. saudi—led coalition forces, which have been backed in yemen since 2015. earlier, i spoke to amjad yamin, advocacy and campaigns director for save the children yemen, and he explained details of the strikes were still emerging. our understanding until now is that in sanaa, at least 67 people have been killed and more than 108 have been injured. and in hudaydah, at least four children have been killed. another number of those killed is still unclear, and more than 70 injured. the health staff are still struggling to provide emergency medical aid. paramedics are still trying to dig through the rubble to try and find more people hopefully alive, but as the reporter said, it is increasingly unlikely now. the health system is overwhelmed, particularly as this last week, this was not the only attack. there were at least three other hospitals that were hit just since last friday, which shows how difficult it is right now to respond to the level of destruction and civilian casualties that we are seeing in the country. it's almost seven years now this conflict has been going on. the delusion that it would be a short, sharp intervention to restore the government, nobody believes that any more, they accept. and we are told the parties are desperately keen to disengage, to bring this to an end — yet we have successions of incidences of this kind. is this a kind of brutal attempt to bring the war to an end, or is it for you, an indication that the military objectives have been lost sight of the civilian damage that's been done as a result? we honestly really worry about the trajectory of the conflict right now. the last three months of 2021, for example, so more than a 60% increase in the number of civilian casualties. i don't know how killing civilians would achieve peace. the only scenario where peace can be achieved is parties to the conflict to come to the table and find a solution. clearly seven years of destruction and fighting back and forth has not found an end to this. and the international community needs to find a sensible solution that would spare the civilians their suffering. yemen continues to be one of the most dangerous places for children to grow up in, and it's not only the immediate effects that we are worried about. we are worried the longer this lasts, the harder it will be for children of the country to recover. for example, one of our studies showed that at least 40% of the children whose schools have been attacked have not returned to education yet. it'll take years to bring them back to study. and if we do not stop now, if we don't find a solution to what's happening in the country now, we'll see more and more children and families destroyed, killed and lose their infrastructure on a daily basis. one of the deals that was struck during the course of this long conflict was to allow the access of aid through hudaydah, there was a reluctant agreement between the two sides to allow that to happen. is that now a settled part of this, that aid gets in relatively easily? or is it a constant battle to get the partners to disengage long enough for your staff to be safe, at least for the moments when they are delivering the aid? honestly it's not getting any easier, if anything it's getting a lot harder. today, between the bureaucracy, the ongoing fighting and our inability to get approvals for basic items, it's making it very, very difficult for us to deliver aid. just simple stuff like getting approval on a very small programme to deliver aid to one town or another takes 3—4 months when you're trying to do this over 12 months. so, then you automatically lose 30—a0% of the time you have, then you crunch everything into a small time that doesn't allow you to deliver everything to people who need it. the damaged infrastructure as well doesn't make it any easier. just three days ago on wednesday, sorry, a water reservoir in sanaa was also attacked. we were already trying to respond to the incident in sanaa, and then that water reservoir cuts off more than 120,000 people from water. then you divert all your attention to trying to bring water to people just so they can protect themselves. we're also still looking at covid in the country, with no end in sight, no vaccination, no way to do social distancing. so, the situation on the ground does not improve in any way, shape orform, and we need the parties to conflict to talk about this, to be serious about finding a solution. because otherwise, we will talk about this next year on the eighth anniversary of the conflict, then the ninth year, and thousands of children are being killed every year. levels of coronavirus are falling in england, scotland and wales, according to official figures. but the government is still facing the challenge of how to persuade more than 4 million people in the uk to take up the offer of a vaccine. bbc analysis shows that younger people continue to be the most reluctant to be fully vaccinated, with almost a third of 18—29—year—olds not having had the first two jabs. 0ur health editor hugh pym reports. a vaccination campaign with a difference. and you could and up with long covid, which is no fun. team halo videos have had more than 250 million views. please don't play this russian roulette with your life. they're focused on debunking vaccine misinformation. let's talk about long covid. dr bnar talabani is one expert working on the project from her home in cardiff. she aims to reassure people that the vaccine is safe. evelyn, whose identity we're protecting, is in her 30s and lives in southern scotland. she has a family history of rheumatoid arthritis, and although she wants the jab, she is worried. we always talk about medicines and i try to work out what hopefully won't trigger off an autoimmune response in myself. and that's what makes me nervous about the covid—19 jab. there's no evidence to say that you will get rheumatoid arthritis or any autoimmune disease if you have the vaccine. i think a lot of the times, people don't have access to accurate information and knowing how to deal the difference between what's nonsense and what's information and what's accurate is very difficult. elite sports players have been under the spotlight over their vaccination status. at worcester warriors rugby club, they're well ahead of an 85% target set for leading english clubs. guidance was offered to those players who had early doubts. i think with anything, - there's always reluctance until you give them the facts. and that's what we do with anything, whether it's rugby—related _ or medical—related. and i think that's all we did. players are always curious. among the over—60s, more than 90% have had their first two doses, but as you go down the age groups, that falls away quite noticeably. and that's why younger people are seen as a key target group for the continued vaccination programme. it was really confusing. some wanting to start a family have questions. these new mums at the bundle baby class said it wasn't a straightforward decision, but they did get vaccinated while they were pregnant. lots of friends were saying that i shouldn't have the vaccine because i was pregnant and that it might harm the baby. a lot of the research and the data that was out there, even when you're speaking to a gp, it didn't seem like there was a lot of robust information. when i turned 13 weeks, so got into the second trimester, i immediately went to get the vaccine and i'd been waiting to get the vaccine, actually. i was actually having arguments with my husband about it because he was keen for me not to and to wait, because he was worried about the impact on the baby. he wasn't sure, and i was upset with him because i'd been doing a lot of research. some countries are making vaccination compulsory. for now, the approach in the uk is dialogue, but there's clearly more work to be done to convince those who still don't want the jab. hugh pym, bbc news. the latest figures show the number of people testing positive for coronavirus continues to fall, with almost 95,800 new infections recorded in the latest 24—hour period. on average, just over 92,400 new cases were reported per day in the last week. the number of people in hospital with covid has fallen again tojust under 18,000. there were 288 deaths reported in the latest 24—hour period, that's of people who died within 28 days of a positive test, though there will be some amongst this number who won't have died from covid. on average in the past week, 268 deaths were announced every day. 0n vaccinations, just over 36,750,000 people have now had a boosterjab, which means that nearly 64% of people aged 12 and over have now had three vaccine doses. the first minister of wales, mark drakeford, has said he believes the peak of the 0micron wave has passed. his comments came as there were more easing of covid restrictions in wales today, as well as in northern ireland. in a moment, we'll hearfrom emma vardy in belfast, but first, here's tomos morgan in cardiff. so, the easing today was really around outdoor activities. the first one being that the limit on sporting activities outdoors, spectators essentially, has now been scrapped, which means that this place behind me, the principality stadium, will be able to welcome a max capacity crowd for the six nations just in time next month. and secondly, the rule of six and outdoor social distancing on hospitality has also now come to an end. now, similar restrictions on indoor hospitality and nightclubs, which are still closed, they may be scrapped next friday all being well, according to the first minister. this comes on a day mark drakeford saying that that the number of people who have covid is declining faster in wales than any other part of the uk. however, at the moment, covid passes and facemasks will still be needed on public transport. the next review here due on the 10th of february. well, political leaders here in northern ireland say the relaxations today are a reflection, too, of the fact that they believe here, as well, that peak has now passed in terms of the number of cases and hospitalisations. so, from today, and just in time for friday night drinks, that mandatory table service rule in pubs and restaurants has been dropped. the limit of six people to a table has also now ended. and in terms of households being able to meet up in private homes indoors, the limit of three, well, that rule has also ended today, too. there's another significant change coming here in northern ireland next week, because from wednesday, you'll no longer need vaccine passports to get into pubs and reference and cinemas, too. now, as you can imagine, that's all been very much welcomed here by the hospitality industry, but ministers say their message to the public is, yes, there are relaxations, but they still want people to take their own precautions. a former metropolitan police counterterrorism detective has been jailed for three years for secretly filming models during fake photoshoots. neil corbel committed his crimes in hotel rooms and rented accommodation across the uk. he used cameras in tissue boxes, phone—chargers and in glasses to film women. corbel pleaded guilty to 19 counts of voyeurism. anna adams reports. they thought they'd been booked for a modelling assignment, but instead, dozens of women were secretly filmed by an off—duty police officer while they were undressing. he called himself harrison and said he was a pilot — but in fact, he was detective inspector neil corbel from the met. he covertly recorded 31 women between 2017—2020 and stored the images on his police laptop. corbel, who has now resigned from the met, admitted to 19 counts of voyeurism. he was sentenced to three years in jail. the judge said his actions had seriously undermined public trust in the police. he was tracked down by fellow officers after an 18—month investigation. there is still disbelief when i hear of officers doing things such as this, because it's a betrayal, damaging trust and confidence. it really hurts. one of the women — who we're calling jessica — was booked by corbel after he found her photos on a modelling website. he introduced himself and said how he did photography as a hobby, and how he'd seen my portfolio. there seemed to be nothing out of the ordinary about it. corbel had spy cameras hidden in an alarm clock and a phone—charger to secretly record her naked. jessica was eventually called into a police station. it raises further questions for the metjust months after another officer, wayne couzens, was given a whole life sentence for the kidnap, rape and murder of sarah everard. jessica says both cases have changed the way she now views police officers. it makes you not trust the police. people call the police when they're in vulnerable positions and they want someone they can trust. anna adams, bbc news. a man has been charged with murder and attempted murder following an attack on a married couple in their 80s at their home near shirebrook in derbyshire. freda walker died and her 88—year—old husband, kenneth walker, suffered life—threatening injuries. the couple were found by a neighbour on saturday. vasile culea has been remanded in custody. a british man has been shot and killed while visiting his girlfriend in the united states. matthew willson, from surrey, was found in bed with a single gunshot wound to the head. police were called on the 16th of january after neighbours in brookhaven, georgia reported hearing multiple shots being fired. local police said the shooting was "random" and involved the "reckless discharge of firearms" in a neighbouring building. a "shameful shambles" — that's the verdict of mps on the underpayment of the state pension to 134,000 pensioners, and they've warned that the mistakes could be repeated. the errors, which mainly affect women, date back as far as 1985, with some owed as much as £128,000. the department for work and pensions says it's resolving cases as quickly as possible, but its efforts have been described as ineffective. sarah corker reports. for four decades, thousands of women across the uk have been underpaid their state pensions. some are owed life—changing amounts of money. the bbc has heard from those who have had to fight to get errors corrected. you expect that the pension department won't make errors, really. itjust doesn't seem right when so much time has been lost, and so much money has been lost in the interim. if we hadn't have been persistent, we wouldn't have got anywhere. l the public accounts committee found errors dating back to 1985. more than 130,000 pensioners, mainly women, were under paid a total of £1 billion. 0utdated computer systems, manual processing, and complacency in monitoring errors have all been blamed. around 40,000 women have already died without receiving the money they are owed — there's no plan to trace theirfamilies. the dwp needs to sort out the air and get cracking with making sure that people in their estates, when they've died, have the payments that they are owed. but they also need to make sure they are sorting out their it systems for the future — and crucially, we want to see proper compensation. some women will now be fully repaid. but others, like jan in fife, can only backdate claims for 12 months — that's because of when her husband retired. she believes she's due £17,000. i first spoke to her last year. six months on, she's no furtherforward. i was always used to paper work, i mean, that was myjob. but it tires you, it wearies you... i mean, it makes you feel old. and i think that's what the government are hoping. the dwp says it's resolving cases as quickly as possible, and a team of up to 500 civil servants will be working to trace those affected. but it's a process that could take until the end of 2023 to complete. and all of this has a knock—on effect — experienced staff have been moved to fix these issues, and that's already causing a backlog in processing new applications. sarah corker, bbc news. there are growing concerns for female afghan protestors who led a recent demonstration for women's rights under the taliban, after at least two were said to have been taken in night raids. one woman, tamana paryani was abducted from her apartment by armed men along with her two sisters, neighbours told the bbc. other women who took part in same protest have said they are in hiding and that there is no news on the fate of the two missing women. the taliban, which has removed the right of most afghan women to work and to study, denies it is behind the abductions. 0ur correspondent quentin sommerville sent this report from kabul. chanting. in body and spirit afgan women are under attack from the taliban. here, fighting for the right to work, to teducation, they are pepper sprayed by taliban fighters at this protest last week. women have value, they shout. it takes raw courage to stand up to armed men who want to take away almost everything you've achieved in life. please help, the tele— band of come to my house, my please help, the taliban of come to my house, my sisters are at home, please. we don't want to hear now, she screams. tamana has been missing for two days now. we went to her home and try to find her. neighbours say women were taken away from here by armed men. you could see a footprint, a blueprint on the door, three women were taken away and they still haven't returned for the friends and family seven two say they haven't heard from them either. other women protesters were targeted that night, another is missing. still the taliban denies it took them. if they said they had detained them then that is the allegation and they will go to the court and the defendant themselves. this something but they are not the and they are making such a fake scene in shooting films in order to seek asylum abroad. but her friends tell a different story. translation: itold her as soon as possible, - leave your home, take this more seriously, you are in danger. when i got home a friend, also a protester, i don't want to mention her name, she was crying that she had been arrested by the taliban and she had reason released a video on social media. since the fall of the last government afghan women say increasingly they are prisoners in their own home for that they can't go out and do shopping, they can't visit friends and family and those that do raise their voice in protest are facing increasing intimidation from the taliban. over the last 20 years afghan women have cast off cultural and family prejudice to live freely. it's decades of progress the taliban not want to —— now rip away. the us rock star meat loaf has died at the age of 74. he sold more than 100 million albums in a career that spanned six decades. "bat out of hell," which was released in 1977, remains one of the best—selling albums of all time. his family announced the news on facebook, and said their hearts are broken. 0ur arts correspondent david sillito reports. # like a bat out of hell. # i'll be gone when the morning comes. meat loaf, bat out of hell. a sweat—drenched rock—and—roll epic that turned the man born marvin lee aday into one of the biggest—selling rock stars in the world. there have been many tributes. among them, cher, who sang with him on "dead ringer for love", bonnie tyler, and from "i'd do anything for love", lorraine crosby. we just gelled. we gelled perfectly. and obviously, that's why the song went the way it did. so, every time i think of meat loaf, i think about being in the studio with him. # i would do anything for love. # i'd never lie to you, and that's a fact. tearfully: you just knew. you knew it was going to be great, you know. i'm sorry, i'm getting. you knew, you just knew instinctively that the album was going to be huge. # and i would do anything for love. born in dallas, his mother was a teacher and singer, his father a policeman, and his childhood was tough. he was an alcoholic and he'd always beat me up as a kid. threw me through a plate—glass window, threw me through a door. his escape was acting and musicals. he got a part in hair, and then the rocky horror picture show. bat out of hell was a project he'd been working on for years with the writerjim steinman. the rock establishment was scornful, but the fans — especially in britain — loved it. # like a bat out of hell. # 0h, like a bat out of hell. but its huge success, and the pressures it brought, almost killed him. then followed years of lawsuits. he claimed he never made a dime out of it. but he did go on to make some great records, but nothing would ever top bat out of hell. a glorious, over—the—top, emotional battering ram. a rock—and—roll masterpiece. # ..hell. ..#. meatloaf whose death has been announced today, he was 74. henry yates has written for a number of music publications. there is something so unlikely about meatloaf. if you are a music agent 45 years ago you would say, this is never gonna work.— 45 years ago you would say, this is never gonna work. absolutely, total anomal , never gonna work. absolutely, total anomaly. a — never gonna work. absolutely, total anomaly, a one-off, _ never gonna work. absolutely, total anomaly, a one-off, unrepeatable. | never gonna work. absolutely, total| anomaly, a one-off, unrepeatable. i anomaly, a one—off, unrepeatable. i can't imagine it it it is very far in the pop idol finalist. i always think of him... he was almost like an opera singer walked to the wrong door and ended up in a rock and roll band. that's all he seemed to me. people are getting this meatloaf for all kinds of reasons but i think you've got to start with the voice. i mean, i don't know where it came from, it was dramatic, theatrical, bombastic, overblown, i could go on. and so powerful. in the early days it was said a sort story that one of his early bands —— he put the microphone on the side doing that far side of his voice was too ludicrously powerful. we talked about what's really interesting about what's really interesting about meatloaf is notjust how much he sold but when he sold those records was up to give you a bit contest, 1977, most people know this is a hierarchy of british punk, is that people like the six pistols, the class, johnny ryan all playa and their trade, the class, johnny ryan all playa and theirtrade, everything the class, johnny ryan all playa and their trade, everything is kind of street—level attitude, curled lips, mentalism basically. then you get this album that as you say, is completely of the top and these epic songs often ten minutes for the pure escapism, back inquires, fantasy layers, it completely went against the grain and yet if you line up the punks and compare them to meet lowe's sales figures, comparison way he took them to be absolute cleaners. that's how well it sold him a 43 million copies, it was on the uk charts for 500 weeks this six pistols never came close to those figures. the amazing thing is that he did it again. he had a lean eighties, meatloaf struggled in the 80s because he broke withjim steinman. i 80s because he broke with jim steinman. . , 80s because he broke with jim steinman— 80s because he broke with jim steinman. ., , ., ., ., g steinman. i was going to mention jim simon because _ steinman. i was going to mention jim simon because in a _ steinman. i was going to mention jim simon because in a sense _ steinman. i was going to mention jim simon because in a sense the - steinman. i was going to mention jim simon because in a sense the story i simon because in a sense the story of meatloaf is also the story ofjim steinman who also died not that long ago. how important was the lyrics, his skills as a perhaps more formal musician in contributing to meatloaf�*s success? meatloaf was a show man but it was a partnership. absolutely. the assignment was vastly important, they met each other in 1973 when meatloaf auditioned for one of his musicals and they formed this incredible partnership. meatloaf was the voice box but steinman was the power behind the throne. he wrote everything, he died last year. they had their eruptions over the years but they died on good terms. so i think people will be quite pleased about that. simon was so up to that important to his accent. meatloaf could deliver the songs but it took steinman to write them. do could deliver the songs but it took steinman to write them.— could deliver the songs but it took steinman to write them. do you think --eole will steinman to write them. do you think people will carry _ steinman to write them. do you think people will carry on — steinman to write them. do you think people will carry on listening - steinman to write them. do you think people will carry on listening to - people will carry on listening to meatloaf? i was struck by the range of people who are paying tribute. artists who work with him at bonnie tyler but then you get performers like boy george and then you get composers like andrew lloyd webber who clearly thinks the death of meatloaf is a significant musical event. j meatloaf is a significant musical event. ~' ., ., ~' meatloaf is a significant musical event. ~ ., ., ~ ., event. i think looking at the attributes — event. i think looking at the attributes been _ event. i think looking at the attributes been paid - event. i think looking at the attributes been paid they i event. i think looking at the . attributes been paid they really event. i think looking at the - attributes been paid they really run the gamut. i think that shows that meatloaf made an enormous impact even on people from genres you wouldn't necessarily think. boy george come up andrew lloyd webber, stephen fry he was in the sketch with them a long time ago. if you're talking about younger people as well, whenever you hear someone who is god in enormous boys and blows the doors off i think meatloaf is in the doors off i think meatloaf is in the dna whether they realise it or not. ml demeo, an incredibly powerful irish vocalist, she was one of the first to pay tribute, justin hawkins from the darkness, another guy who uses his voice like a weapon. i think critics have always been snippy about meatloaf but i think people know, vocalist know what he brought to the party. there is no doubt rock and roll has lost a pretty defining voice.— is no doubt rock and roll has lost a pretty defining voice. yeah, perhaps monda we pretty defining voice. yeah, perhaps monday we will _ pretty defining voice. yeah, perhaps monday we will have _ pretty defining voice. yeah, perhaps monday we will have the _ pretty defining voice. yeah, perhaps monday we will have the biopic - pretty defining voice. yeah, perhaps monday we will have the biopic of i monday we will have the biopic of the musical of meatloaf�*s life. for me there is something about meatloaf. thanks very much for giving that warm tribute to meatloaf whose death was announced today at the end of the net age of 74. how do you follow that? 0nly one—way with newswatch. hello and welcome to newswatch with me, samira ahmed. not for the first time the bbc�*s political coverage comes under fire for an alleged lack of balance. we asked fran unsworth, soon to lead the corporation after four years after leaving its news division about impartiality, accountability and making the most of a shrinking budget. it's been a significant week for a bbc with monday's announcement from culture secretary nadine dorries that the licence fee would be frozen for the next two years. bbc�*s chairman richard sharp reacted like this. what it means for the bbc is with less money in real terms,

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