of baltimore, and conservative peer ed vaizey, who was culture secretary under david cameron. welcome to context. borisjohnson is attempting to shift the conversation away from lockdown parties, and the drinking culture in downing street towards true blue, conservative policies which he was elected to deliver. this morning an announcement the royal navy will lead efforts to stop the flow of migrants across the channel. there are proposals to end plan b restrictions, now omicron cases appear to be easing in some places. and over the weekend, newspapers were briefed the bbc licence fee will be frozen this next two years and the licence fee scrapped altogether in 2027. those plans were confirmed this morning in the house of commons by culture secretary nadine dorries. today i am announcing that the licence bill fee will be frozen for the next two years. and that it will rise in line with inflation for the following four years. the bbc wanted the fee to rise to over £180 by the end of this settlement. instead it will remain fixed at £159 until april 202a. in five years�* time the media landsape will look very different and many would say a tax on television sets is now outdated. a closer look at who watches the bbc — and how much of it they consume — tells you the streaming services have already taken a chunk out of its figures, particularly among younger viewers. in the average week in 2019, fewer than half of 16—24 —year—olds turned on their tv to watch the bbc, a proportion that is only declining. so, it is very handy that our panel tonight includes a man who has given this a lot of thought. welcome to the programme. i will come to you in a second, stephanie in a second. and, let's start with the funding of the bbc, do you agree with what nadine dorries is proposing? i with what nadine dorries is p"°p°5i"9?_ with what nadine dorries is proposing? with what nadine dorries is “roosina? ., �* proposing? i don't disagree with her in the sense — proposing? i don't disagree with her in the sense that _ proposing? i don't disagree with her in the sense that the _ proposing? i don't disagree with her in the sense that the licence - proposing? i don't disagree with her in the sense that the licence fee - in the sense that the licence fee funds the bbc, so people on low incomes will pay the same as wealthy individuals and for people on both the incomes come it can be a significant price to pay. when i took on thejob significant price to pay. when i took on the job of culture minister 12 years ago, we did in fact freeze the fee because at that time we were making deep cuts in public spending because of the financial crisis engulfing the country. it is not a radical attack on the bbc. previous ministers have done this because it is a tax that everybody pays and therefore, ministers had to be sensitive about the price. clearly what nadine dorries said in your clip, there is a bit of sleight of hand there because the licence fee will rise in line with inflation after two years, so it will increase, so she has clearly recognised the contradiction we have with the bbc which is on the one hand people debate its future because we now live in a multichannel digital world, but at the same time in order to compete in that world, it does need to be well funded. so that is the terrible dilemma that these two organisations fight with each other.— fight with each other. just on that issue of funding, _ fight with each other. just on that issue of funding, the _ fight with each other. just on that issue of funding, the obvious - fight with each other. just on that issue of funding, the obvious way| fight with each other. just on that i issue of funding, the obvious way to go is the subscription model that netflix and others have adopted, where you subscribe to a channel and you where you subscribe to a channel and wu pay where you subscribe to a channel and you pay a monthly amount. the problem with that is a lot of power television comes through the aerial so you can't turn services on and off and this was michael grade talking today about advertising and whether that could be an option. are there other ways to fund the bbc? many ideas have been forthcoming. i would draw the line at advertising because that would... channel 4 and channel 5 etc, the pot of advertising money is not going to expand to meet the bbc�*s needs. it is not advertising and not the subscription, how do you get their christian it is difficult. i have been trotting out this terrible phrase that politicians like to use which is a quote from winston churchill where he said democracy was the least worst form of government.— was the least worst form of government. was the least worst form of covernment. �* , , ., , government. and every few years, ministers will _ government. and every few years, ministers will look _ government. and every few years, ministers will look at _ government. and every few years, ministers will look at the - government. and every few years, ministers will look at the licence i ministers will look at the licence fee and think we can't possibly in this day and age expect every household in the country to pay this fixed fee effectively to receive a tv signal. there must be a more sophisticated way of doing it but most state broadcasters, which is a sort of european tradition, stephanie will say this is an alien conceptin stephanie will say this is an alien concept in the us, but they do fund their state broadcasting either through a household tax or a licence fee. when you look at the different models it is difficult to know the alternative. subscription is the obvious alternative because we are now used to paying for things like netflix but there are lots of bbc services that do not lend themselves to subscription. and many mps who attacked the bbc in the uk are only too keen to appear on their bbc radio local stations. michael grade in your clip was right, one of the commercial media in the uk resents the bbc because it has a fixed income and it competes with them, at the end of the day, what will be worse than that will be a bbc that competed with them for the income, the advertising dollars, if you like, which would be catastrophic for them. ,, , ., ., for them. stephanie, the reason i wanted to talk _ for them. stephanie, the reason i wanted to talk about _ for them. stephanie, the reason i wanted to talk about this - for them. stephanie, the reason i wanted to talk about this is - wanted to talk about this is because the media landscape is changing dramatically. we will come to the debate of american news and whether it has become more partisan and whether the bbc will go the same way if it is commercially funded, but i am interested in how the bbc is seen in america. what is the opinion of the bbc over there?— in america. what is the opinion of the bbc over there? from my peers, we find the — the bbc over there? from my peers, we find the bbc _ the bbc over there? from my peers, we find the bbc a _ the bbc over there? from my peers, we find the bbc a much _ the bbc over there? from my peers, we find the bbc a much more - we find the bbc a much more impartial— we find the bbc a much more impartial form of news and in a time when _ impartial form of news and in a time when we _ impartial form of news and in a time when we are — impartial form of news and in a time when we are so insulated with covid lockdowns _ when we are so insulated with covid lockdowns and travelling restrictions, i find lockdowns and travelling restrictions, ifind it lockdowns and travelling restrictions, i find it refreshing to he _ restrictions, i find it refreshing to be able _ restrictions, i find it refreshing to be able to see our news through the lens_ to be able to see our news through the lens of— to be able to see our news through the lens of people outside of our country — the lens of people outside of our country i— the lens of people outside of our country. i think it definitely has meant — country. i think it definitely has meant some perspective during the previous— meant some perspective during the previous administration when it seemed — previous administration when it seemed like we were living in an altered _ seemed like we were living in an altered reality, to be able to see that we — altered reality, to be able to see that we were not crazy, the rest of the world — that we were not crazy, the rest of the world was seeing some of the challenges we were having under the previous— challenges we were having under the previous administration, that was refreshing — previous administration, that was refreshing. i think a lot of times when _ refreshing. i think a lot of times when we — refreshing. i think a lot of times when we have these debates about how public broadcasting will be funded, it is really— public broadcasting will be funded, it is really a proxy for conservatives who really do not appreciate having impartiality. they really— appreciate having impartiality. they really want to see their news waited to skew _ really want to see their news waited to skew towards their ideals and when _ to skew towards their ideals and when a — to skew towards their ideals and when a really balanced approach is presented, sometimes i think unfortunately conservatives at least in our _ unfortunately conservatives at least in our country have a problem with it. , , ., . ., , ., it. just tell me, how much do you .a l it. just tell me, how much do you pay. stephanie. _ it. just tell me, how much do you pay, stephanie, and _ it. just tell me, how much do you pay, stephanie, and how- it. just tell me, how much do you pay, stephanie, and how do - it. just tell me, how much do you pay, stephanie, and how do you i it. just tell me, how much do you i pay, stephanie, and how do you pay for your television? pay, stephanie, and how do you pay foryourtelevision? is pay, stephanie, and how do you pay for your television? is there a model to follow in america? fiur model to follow in america? our ublic model to follow in america? our public broadcasting is funded primarily through your contributions. now, that can be great _ contributions. now, that can be great for— contributions. now, that can be great for most of the time except for when — great for most of the time except for when they are having their fundraising pictures and a lot of people — fundraising pictures and a lot of people want to turn the channel because — people want to turn the channel because the constants request for money— because the constants request for money for— because the constants request for money for days of the end, but it is a model— money for days of the end, but it is a model that has been working. they thread _ a model that has been working. they thread the _ a model that has been working. they thread the needle on how to get corporate — thread the needle on how to get corporate sponsorship without it being _ corporate sponsorship without it being commercial. you know having commerciai— being commercial. you know having commercial throughout the programming sol commercial throughout the programming so i think that is a model— programming so i think that is a model of— programming so i think that is a model of the bbc should at least be able to— model of the bbc should at least be able to take a look at, to see if having — able to take a look at, to see if having more public contributions is a way— having more public contributions is a way to— having more public contributions is a way to supplant some of the funds that are _ a way to supplant some of the funds that are received from the government.— that are received from the government. that are received from the covernment. , ., government. the interesting thing to listeninu government. the interesting thing to listenin: to government. the interesting thing to listening to stephanie _ government. the interesting thing to listening to stephanie is _ government. the interesting thing to listening to stephanie is there - listening to stephanie is there clearly is a respect for the bbc around the world and that is reflected in global polling that the bbc has done. the british government recognise that because when they did their review of global britain, they called the bbc a soft power, a superpower, the third round soft power in the world and i'm wondering how the agenda that nadine dorries has set out today, how that fits with their agenda on global britain. i think that is a very fair point. i think we don't reflect often enough how global the bbc brand is and how it projects as it were britain's soft power and image across the world. admittedly the world service, the radio service is paid for our foreign office, separately from the bbc licence fee but there is no doubt at all, we have launched a brick box in the us which is a package of british programmes but there is no doubt at all that your average british tourist when they are talking about the uk to somebody when they are on holiday will either talk about shared programming which is often a bbc programme, all they will talk about football. clearly the bbc and david beckham are two of our biggest and most important exports and we regard david beckham as a national treasure in the uk so maybe we should regard the bbc more as a national treasure rather than as a national treasure rather than as it were a political blood sport. 0ne as it were a political blood sport. one of the ways they are going in america, stephanie, is you get a bundle of services. which is fine but there are some complaints that you might have if you're on the democrat side that you get fox news, you don't have any option if you're finding that and on the other side you would get cnn and you won't have any option over that. do you think we are heading towards a media landscape where everybody can choose what they want and if that is the case, isn't there a danger for the bbc that it will help to be slimmed down because they will not be the market for the services that it currently puts out? we market for the services that it currently puts out?— market for the services that it currently puts out? market for the services that it currentl uts out? ~ . . currently puts out? we are headed in that direction — currently puts out? we are headed in that direction where _ currently puts out? we are headed in that direction where people - currently puts out? we are headed in that direction where people are - that direction where people are being _ that direction where people are being very specific about where every _ being very specific about where every cent is going. but again, i really— every cent is going. but again, i really think— every cent is going. but again, i really think it is the political landscape that we are in right now that this _ landscape that we are in right now that this desire to pull certain stations— that this desire to pull certain stations out of your bundle, it is rooted _ stations out of your bundle, it is rooted in — stations out of your bundle, it is rooted in that. i grew up at a time where _ rooted in that. i grew up at a time where we — rooted in that. i grew up at a time where we valued differing opinions and i_ where we valued differing opinions and i don't — where we valued differing opinions and i don't have to agree with fox news _ and i don't have to agree with fox news to— and i don't have to agree with fox news to fight tooth and nail that i create _ news to fight tooth and nail that i create a _ news to fight tooth and nail that i create a bundle or the cable company creates _ create a bundle or the cable company creates a _ create a bundle or the cable company creates a bundle that will give me a loose _ creates a bundle that will give me a loose package that were not funded. ithink— loose package that were not funded. i think we _ loose package that were not funded. i think we need to be a lot more open—minded, as much as i disagree with the _ open—minded, as much as i disagree with the things that they put on, we have a bigger picture and that is we have a bigger picture and that is we have to _ have a bigger picture and that is we have to find — have a bigger picture and that is we have to find a way to find impartial new5, _ have to find a way to find impartial news, not — have to find a way to find impartial news, notjust in our local neighbourhood bar globally and networks like the bbc, like cnn, fox, _ networks like the bbc, like cnn, fox, att— networks like the bbc, like cnn, fox, all of— networks like the bbc, like cnn, fox, all of these need to exist and e> the networks and the grid that is put together for the agenda over a week. does it seem to you as though they were trying to shift the conversation?— they were trying to shift the conversation? , ., �* , ., conversation? yes. i don't blame them for that _ conversation? yes. i don't blame them for that because _ conversation? yes. i don't blame them for that because i - conversation? yes. i don't blame them for that because i am - conversation? yes. i don't blame them for that because i am a - them for that because i am a politician and i would do the same in those circumstances. if your boss is getting a pasting in the papers every day, you want to find stuff to put out that will hopefully not that off the front pages. whether they can succeed in doing that, i don't know but every political spin operation across the globe, whether it is the us or uk, will be trying the same thing. actually, to be fair to the government and nadine dorries, this announcement, everyone knows the bbc licence fee was being renegotiated, there was a mid—term review of the bbc, so it is not like they have plucked it out of thin air but they may have accelerated it a bit. ., but they may have accelerated it a bit. . , ,., ., bit. that is the point of the government _ bit. that is the point of the government made - bit. that is the point of the government made today, | bit. that is the point of the | government made today, it bit. that is the point of the - government made today, it was bit. that is the point of the _ government made today, it was there in the manifesto and stored in the coming years but is there firmly on the agenda. the focus has returned to the downing street party is and that is because prime minister �*s former chief adviser dominic cummings says he warned borisjohnson that a planned event in may 2020 that the prime minister went to should not go ahead. mr cummings made the accusations in a blog post, downing street wrecked the claim. what he says can be summed up in a line towards the blog post that he has made that the events of 20th of may alone, he says, never mind the string of events in the primus minister lie to parliament about parties. that is a serious accusation and as you say downing street are offering a firm denial on the thrust of dominic cummings�*s blog, saying it is untrue, the prime minister was one of the event in advance and as he said earlier this week, he believed implicitly it was a work event and he has apologised to the house. fbi agents will travel to the uk to speak with two teenagers who are being held in northern england in connection to the hostage—taking incident at a synagogue in texas on saturday. the british citizen malik faisal akram, what shot dead after an 11 hour stand—off with police in kohli vale, texas. according to us investigators, akram had arrived in the country via new york's jfk international airport five weeks ago. let's go to texas. sophie long is there for us. what do we know about there for us. what do we know about the time he spent between arriving athk and the stand—off at the weekend? at jfk and the stand-off at the weekend?— at jfk and the stand-off at the weekend? , ., ., , ., ., , weekend? the short answer to that is ve little weekend? the short answer to that is very little at — weekend? the short answer to that is very little at the _ weekend? the short answer to that is very little at the moment. _ weekend? the short answer to that is very little at the moment. this - very little at the moment. this investigation the authorities have made very clear is one that is global in reach. we do know the hostage—takers arrived athk hostage—ta kers arrived athk airport hostage—takers arrived athk airport in new york but the authorities here are now trying to establish what happened between then and saturday when he held hostages in the synagogue behind me. we do know he spent several nights in a homeless shelter about 17 miles away from where i am now but we don't yet know why he targeted this synagogue and that terrifying ordeal that unfolded here on saturday. what we do know, we have many more details today from one of the hostages themselves, a rabbi who has been sticking to our partners here in the us and he has given much more details about what unfolded in the building behind me. we know that when he turned up here, they believed he was a homeless person, someone vulnerable in need of help and they welcomed him in. the rabbi said there were parts of his story that didn't stand up but he wasn't particularly suspicious. he was welcome to the synagogue and it was only during the morning service on saturday that when the rabbi turned around, he said they turn to jerusalem to pray, it was then he heard a click. he said it could have been anything but it was in fact a gun. that is when the ordeal began and it was to last for many hours. fbi investigators now heading to england to further investigate the links here. arnold van den bergh a notary who became an informant for the germans in order to save his own family at risk. the story of anne frank has enjoyed because of the diary she wrote about her experience in amsterdam during the nazi occupation and the efforts to stay hidden for two years. and died in 1945 in the bergen—belsen concentration camp, she was just 15. bergen—belsen concentration camp, she wasjust15. her bergen—belsen concentration camp, she was just 15. her father survived the war and later published her diary and it looks like he might have always known the person who betrayed them. here is rosemary sullivan talking to the bbc�*s newsnight. it sullivan talking to the bbc's newsnight— sullivan talking to the bbc's newsniaht. . ., , ., , ., , newsnight. it clears from statements from helpers — newsnight. it clears from statements from helpers that _ newsnight. it clears from statements from helpers that otto _ newsnight. it clears from statements from helpers that otto frank- newsnight. it clears from statements from helpers that otto frank knew i from helpers that 0tto frank knew who the betrayer was and withheld his name. why would he do that? the one he gave to me it was he was protecting the man's family. he was also probably and not willing as late as 1963 when there was an investigation to implicate a fellow jewish man because arnold van den bergh was dead and what was to be gained? i am joined now by michael neuman, chief executive of british charity association ofjewish refugees. thank you for being with us. why is it important to get to the bottom thank you for being with us. why is it in yearant to get to the bottom a?” er ~ thank you for being with us. why is it in year in:to get to the bottom a?” er ~ thank you for being with us. why is it in year in the get to the bottom a?” er ~ thank you for being with us. why is it in year in the united he bottom a?” er ~ thank you for being with us. why is it in year in the united states, im a?” er ~ this year in the united states, that it is rearing its head again and is that why teaching the story, learning about our history become so important? learning about our history become so im ortant? ~ ,,., , ., ., , important? absolutely. unfortunately this is a scourge _ important? absolutely. unfortunately this is a scourge that _ important? absolutely. unfortunately this is a scourge that continues - important? absolutely. unfortunately this is a scourge that continues to - this is a scourge that continues to plague thejewish community is not just in the us. we have seen it in germany and in the uk, the number of anti—semitic incidents increases year on year and that is why we need to be vigilant and to make people aware of the problem of anti—semitism and to teach people about the holocaust. it is all about converting holocaust denial and distortion which is again on the rise and the circumstances that the jewish community can find themselves in. ., , , ., jewish community can find themselves in. let our spring in our panel on this. stephanie, _ in. let our spring in our panel on this. stephanie, why _ in. let our spring in our panel on this. stephanie, why do - in. let our spring in our panel on this. stephanie, why do you - in. let our spring in our panel on| this. stephanie, why do you think there has been this, notjust anti—semitic tax going up but attacks on minorities across the board in the united states? i attacks on minorities across the board in the united states? i kept talkin: board in the united states? i kept talking about _ board in the united states? i kept talking about the _ board in the united states? i kept talking about the previous - talking about the previous administration before because i don't _ administration before because i don't want to underestimate the power— don't want to underestimate the power that the trump administration had on _ power that the trump administration had on the _ power that the trump administration had on the tone of this country. when _ had on the tone of this country. when you — had on the tone of this country. when you have someone who comes out and starts _ when you have someone who comes out and starts their campaign talking in such horrible terms about mexican migrants _ such horrible terms about mexican migrants and his attack, verbal attack— migrants and his attack, verbal attack on — migrants and his attack, verbal attack on islam, on muslims, on so many— attack on islam, on muslims, on so many others, — attack on islam, on muslims, on so many others, it really set a tone for this— many others, it really set a tone for this country and gave people licensed — for this country and gave people licensed to do the same. two, in their— licensed to do the same. two, in their daily— licensed to do the same. two, in their daily lives, just project such a hatred — their daily lives, just project such a hatred on— their daily lives, just project such a hatred on people outside help their— a hatred on people outside help their community and were still i think— their community and were still i think facing the effects of that and when _ think facing the effects of that and when i _ think facing the effects of that and when i think about the story of anne frank— when i think about the story of anne frank and _ when i think about the story of anne frank and the pain that so many in the jewish— frank and the pain that so many in the jewish community have experienced over the years, we cannot— experienced over the years, we cannot erase that history, it's a story— cannot erase that history, it's a story that — cannot erase that history, it's a story that needs to continue to be told and _ story that needs to continue to be told and the story about how in desperate, desperate times we see this community can even turn pots itself~ _ this community can even turn pots itself that — this community can even turn pots itself. that is something that we should _ itself. that is something that we should not ignore, that desperation, that comes — should not ignore, that desperation, that comes from such a level of hatred — that comes from such a level of hatred that you return on your own community — hatred that you return on your own community. i think it is an important story to tell and i think it is important that we look at the humility— it is important that we look at the humility and the generosity of anne franks— humility and the generosity of anne frank's father who refused to turn over this — frank's father who refused to turn over this person because he knew there _ over this person because he knew there was— over this person because he knew there was nothing to be gained and he also _ there was nothing to be gained and he also knew the pain that this family— he also knew the pain that this family was in, that desperation to save themselves that they would do anything _ save themselves that they would do anything including turn on their own community — anything including turn on their own community. one anything including turn on their own communi . ., anything including turn on their own community-— community. one of the depressing thins community. one of the depressing things about _ community. one of the depressing things about the _ community. one of the depressing things about the story _ community. one of the depressing things about the story was - community. one of the depressing things about the story was that - community. one of the depressing | things about the story was that this congregation at this synagogue in texas had been on multiple security courses and that is why the rabbi said they were able to deal with this in a manner that kept them safe, because they had all been trained on this. just an ordinary congregation in texas and i remember when i worked in paris and i used to go to synagogues in paris to interview people, some of them looked like fort knox.— interview people, some of them looked like fort knox. there is no doubt at all _ looked like fort knox. there is no doubt at all the _ looked like fort knox. there is no doubt at all the jewish _ looked like fort knox. there is no| doubt at all the jewish community looked like fort knox. there is no i doubt at all the jewish community in the uk, _ doubt at all the jewish community in the uk, which — doubt at all the jewish community in the uk, which is— doubt at all the jewish community in the uk, which is obviously— doubt at all the jewish community in the uk, which is obviously and - the uk, which is obviously and important _ the uk, which is obviously and important community, - the uk, which is obviously and important community, very. the uk, which is obviously and i important community, very well settled — important community, very well settled community, _ important community, very well settled community, it _ important community, very well settled community, it still- important community, very well settled community, it still has i important community, very welli settled community, it still has to take security— settled community, it still has to take security extremely - settled community, it still has toj take security extremely seriously and that — take security extremely seriously and that has _ take security extremely seriously and that has to _ take security extremely seriously and that has to be _ take security extremely seriously and that has to be present- take security extremely seriously and that has to be present at - take security extremely seriously. and that has to be present atjewish schools _ and that has to be present atjewish schools and — and that has to be present atjewish schools and it — and that has to be present atjewish schools and it has _ and that has to be present atjewish schools and it has to _ and that has to be present atjewish schools and it has to be _ and that has to be present atjewish schools and it has to be present - and that has to be present atjewish schools and it has to be present at i schools and it has to be present at synagogues — schools and it has to be present at synagogues and _ schools and it has to be present at synagogues and there _ schools and it has to be present at synagogues and there has - schools and it has to be present at synagogues and there has been i schools and it has to be present at synagogues and there has been a i synagogues and there has been a massive — synagogues and there has been a massive rise _ synagogues and there has been a massive rise in _ synagogues and there has been a massive rise in anti—semitism, i massive rise in anti—semitism, partly— massive rise in anti—semitism, partly inspired _ massive rise in anti—semitism, partly inspired by— massive rise in anti—semitism, partly inspired by what - massive rise in anti—semitism, partly inspired by what is i massive rise in anti—semitism,j partly inspired by what is going massive rise in anti—semitism, i partly inspired by what is going on in the _ partly inspired by what is going on in the middle _ partly inspired by what is going on in the middle east, _ partly inspired by what is going on in the middle east, blaming - partly inspired by what is going on in the middle east, blaming the i partly inspired by what is going on i in the middle east, blaming the west and wrongly— in the middle east, blaming the west and wrongly blaming _ in the middle east, blaming the west and wrongly blaming the _ in the middle east, blaming the west and wrongly blaming the jewish i and wrongly blaming the jewish community— and wrongly blaming the jewish community for— and wrongly blaming the jewish community for these _ and wrongly blaming the jewish community for these things. i and wrongly blaming the jewishj community for these things. we and wrongly blaming the jewish i community for these things. we have had a _ community for these things. we have had a political— community for these things. we have had a political leader— community for these things. we have had a political leader in _ community for these things. we have had a political leader in this - had a political leader in this country— had a political leader in this country that _ had a political leader in this country that many- had a political leader in this country that many thought i had a political leader in this i country that many thought was anti-semitic— country that many thought was 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with the holocaust. we will have to leave it _ happened with the holocaust. we will have to leave it there. _ happened with the holocaust. we will have to leave it there. michael, i have to leave it there. michael, thank you. do stay with us. we will talk about voting rights in the united states. that is coming up in the next half hour. good evening. it has been a classic january winter day today. we started off cold, foggy and frosty in many places but there were some beautiful clear blue sky and sunshine. we did have a little bit of fair weather clad across north—west england, western scotland and the northern isles but elsewhere was all about the sunshine. sparkling blue skies out there, all courtesy of this area of high pressure and it will stay with us. a bit more of a breeze in the far north—west, a weather front knocking on the door there but with clear skies continuing overnight, default is set to reform across central and eastern england and we are likely to see temperatures falling away quite sharply here. in towns and city centres below freezing so in rural parts lows as 5 degrees. forthe freezing so in rural parts lows as 5 degrees. for the first thing tomorrow morning. that is worth bearing in mind if you are up early. the fog should lift during the early morning but in one or two places it could linger and if that happens, temperatures could be subdued. a south—westerly flow will drive been more cloud out to the west and we will see outbreaks of rain into western scotland and northern ireland by the end of the afternoon. those weather fronts will continue to push their way south and east into wednesday we will see a change of fortunes for england and wales. more cloud around, shall we outbreaks of rain drifting southwards. a northerly wind kicks in behind, cleaner, clearerair, more sunshine coming through but some of those showers could turn increasingly wintry. they called a day generally in scotland as we go through the afternoon. wednesday into thursday, still dominating but out in the atlantic, that cold, northerly flow will be more of a feature. it will be a cold start to thursday morning, widespread calls across the country tension on thursday and we keep that keen winter driving in more cloud making you feel quite war on those exposed east coast. they will be some sunshine further inland, more moisture out to the west but temperatures may well struggle on the east coast, four or 5 degrees at the east coast, four or 5 degrees at the very best. take care. hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching context on bbc news. the us stopped to remember the civil rights leader martin luther king junior, who died this day 54 years ago. commemorations this year frame with a continued fight in the senate for voting rights reform. in the uk, a bill that would curtail the citizens right to protest is going through final stages in parliament. do look up — if you have telescope, you might even see the asteroid now hurtling towards earth, but breath easy, it will pass safely by and by some distance. tonight with the context, stephanie rawlings—blake, former democratic mayor of baltimore, and conservative peer ed vaizey, who was culture secretary under david cameron. welcome back. joe biden suffered possibly his worst day in office thursday. the president was on the hill hoping to convince his party to support a change to senate rules in order to pass two voting rights bills. but even before he got that chance to make his case, senator kyrsten sinema was on the floor of the senate rejecting the proposals. it led to some withering commentary in the newspapers this weekend, best reflected by the new york times columnist maureen 0'dowd. politics is a numbers game, and there are no prizes for legislative defeat. the progressives say he has failed to deliver a pledge he made in the campaign to deliver voting reform. the moderates are equally furious that he has staked his agenda on policies he can't deliver. today, the country was observing a national holiday to remember the late dr martin luther king, and his son had some pretty choice words for the democratic senatorsjoe manchin and kyrsten sinema who stand in the way of reform. so, let me be clear, when states are engaging in lawless voter suppression, only the law can stop them. senators sinema and manchin also say if the bill doesn't get bipartisan support, it shouldn't pass. well, the 14th amendment that granted citizenship to slaves, that didn't have bipartisan support. should formerly enslaved have been denied citizenship, senator sinema? let's bring in the panel to talk about this. it's not been a very good week forjoe biden. do you share the frustration of some of those on the left, on the progressive side of the party, you are part of the campaign. did he pledge something that he has failed to deliver? he pledge something that he has failed to deliver? . , , to deliver? he has definitely ledaed to deliver? he has definitely pledged something - to deliver? he has definitely pledged something that i to deliver? he has definitely pledged something that he i to deliver? he has definitely i pledged something that he has to deliver? he has definitely - pledged something that he has failed to deliver. i think so many people were frustrated in the first weeks of the biden— harris administration. there was the juneteenth of the biden— harris administration. there was thejuneteenth being made a national holiday when what we really wanted, what so many across the country were begging for, or voting rights. and i think it was many people feel like it was a bait and switch. the challenge we have is that manchin and sinema are very clear about what they want to do and i mean people are having a conversation about what they will do. where do their values lie? if they believe that voting rights should be afforded to every american, then we have to do things now to make sure that happens, because we have seen over the last year and state after state where voting rights have been seriously attacked. and we need a federal answer to that. and i believe that senators manchin and sinema need to stand up and say what they are willing to fight for in the name of equal protection under the law when it comes to voting rights. joining me to discuss her late father's legacy as well as the voting rights effort in america is dr bernice king. lily to have you on the programme. mitch mcconnell, senate minority leader, is offended by the president comparing where we are today with the era ofjim crow. what you said that? ~ ., .,, ., , , the era ofjim crow. what you said that? ., ~. that? well, i mean, obviously mitch mcconnell is— that? well, i mean, obviously mitch mcconnell is not _ that? well, i mean, obviously mitch mcconnell is not quite _ that? well, i mean, obviously mitch mcconnell is not quite accurate i that? well, i mean, obviously mitch mcconnell is not quite accurate in i mcconnell is not quite accurate in his assessment. we know that what is happening _ his assessment. we know that what is happening right now is there is some partisan _ happening right now is there is some partisan division and there is a script. — partisan division and there is a script. i— partisan division and there is a script, i believe, that those who serve _ script, i believe, that those who serve on — script, i believe, that those who serve on the republican side are following — serve on the republican side are following. and i think, you know, there _ following. and i think, you know, there is— following. and i think, you know, there is an — following. and i think, you know, there is an effort now to win back there is an effort now to win back the senate — there is an effort now to win back the senate by republicans as well is the senate by republicans as well is the house, and so many of those who i the house, and so many of those who i believe _ the house, and so many of those who i believe are _ the house, and so many of those who i believe are making statements now are making _ i believe are making statements now are making them in light of that. because — are making them in light of that. because mitch mcconnell voted for voting _ because mitch mcconnell voted for voting rights legislation when it was reauthorised previously, and so for him _ was reauthorised previously, and so for him to— was reauthorised previously, and so for him to do an about—face is really— for him to do an about—face is really very— for him to do an about—face is really very peculiar, to say the least — really very peculiar, to say the least l — really very peculiar, to say the least. . , ., ,., ., least. i was reading some of the comments _ least. i was reading some of the comments republicans this i least. i was reading some of the i comments republicans this weekend who say, look, in many of the states what they really want is reform of voting rights legislation to tighten up voting rights legislation to tighten up the ballots people have to appear with id. many around the world say if you are going to vote, you should have id. but i was also reading about an example in texas, and this mightjust explain to our viewers worldwide why it is a problem. at the moment, they are applying to vote in primary elections and that you provide their driving licence or social security numbers in order to sendin social security numbers in order to send in their mail ballot. half the applications in one county were refused, and it seems to me it's because the secretary of state in texas has not sent updated records to the voting officials. so it does have an effect does it have an effect proportionately, doctor king, on african—americans in these republican states? you on african-americans in these republican states?— republican states? you know, unfortunately _ republican states? you know, unfortunately i _ republican states? you know, unfortunately i don't - republican states? you know, unfortunately i don't have i republican states? you know, unfortunately i don't have the| republican states? you know, i unfortunately i don't have the data on all— unfortunately i don't have the data on all of— unfortunately i don't have the data on all of that to accurately address that that's— on all of that to accurately address that. that's an issue that is a very divisive _ that. that's an issue that is a very divisive issue _ that. that's an issue that is a very divisive issue in our nation right now _ divisive issue in our nation right now. �* , ., , ., , now. but why would it be a problem if --eole now. but why would it be a problem if people were _ now. but why would it be a problem if people were asked _ now. but why would it be a problem if people were asked to _ now. but why would it be a problem if people were asked to present i if people were asked to present their voter id or a driving licence or some social security number? why is that a problem?— is that a problem? when you say why is that a problem? when you say why is it a problem. _ is that a problem? when you say why is it a problem, you _ is that a problem? when you say why is it a problem, you are _ is that a problem? when you say why is it a problem, you are saying i is that a problem? when you say why is it a problem, you are saying why i is it a problem, you are saying why is it a problem, you are saying why is it an _ is it a problem, you are saying why is it an issue — is it a problem, you are saying why is it an issue for people to do that? — is it an issue for people to do that? because me letjust give un my state, _ that? because me letjust give un my state. for— that? because me letjust give un my state, for example, in georgia. when i -o state, for example, in georgia. when i go to— state, for example, in georgia. when i go to a _ state, for example, in georgia. when i go to a vote — state, for example, in georgia. when i go to a vote i have to present an id. i go to a vote i have to present an to. and — i go to a vote i have to present an id. and usually in my case i present my driver's— id. and usually in my case i present my driver's licence. we also have free government id here in the state of georgia _ free government id here in the state of georgia. i recognise that is not the case — of georgia. i recognise that is not the case in — of georgia. i recognise that is not the case in all states. and that's the case in all states. and that's the challenge and white federal voting rights is needed is because we have _ voting rights is needed is because we have not figured a way out how to ensure _ we have not figured a way out how to ensure that _ we have not figured a way out how to ensure that there is kind of more emo _ ensure that there is kind of more emo deformity across the states so that we _ emo deformity across the states so that we don't have these kind of issues _ that we don't have these kind of issues that you are talking about that exist — issues that you are talking about that exist in texas.— issues that you are talking about that exist in texas. different rules in different _ that exist in texas. different rules in different states. _ that exist in texas. different rules in different states. explain - that exist in texas. different rules in different states. explain to i that exist in texas. different rules in different states. explain to mel in different states. explain to me as well, the president, we talk before you join us about the difficulty with the president this week in some ways he loses out twice because if he does not fulfil his pledge, people are not going to vote for him but also if they don't reverse the rules in some of these are public and states, people will be able to vote for him. it is are public and states, people will be able to vote for him.— be able to vote for him. it is a catch 22 _ be able to vote for him. it is a catch 22 to — be able to vote for him. it is a catch 22 to say _ be able to vote for him. it is a catch 22 to say the _ be able to vote for him. it is a catch 22 to say the least. i be able to vote for him. it is a catch 22 to say the least. but| catch 22 to say the least. but people — catch 22 to say the least. but people are not going to let up. and none _ people are not going to let up. and none of us — people are not going to let up. and none of us knows at what point this legislation. — none of us knows at what point this legislation, these pieces of legislation, these pieces of legislation on voting rights will pass — legislation on voting rights will pass i— legislation on voting rights will pass. i believe at some point it will _ pass. i believe at some point it will we — pass. i believe at some point it will. we cannot determine it at what point _ will. we cannot determine it at what point and _ will. we cannot determine it at what point and people hearts and minds changes— point and people hearts and minds changes as you continue to put creative — changes as you continue to put creative tension on them, as conversations continue to be had, there _ conversations continue to be had, there may— conversations continue to be had, there may even be people on the public— there may even be people on the public inside eventually decide to 'oin public inside eventually decide to join forces with those on the democrat side to vote for legislation. so we still have to do strategy— legislation. so we still have to do strategy and organise and mobilise to put— strategy and organise and mobilise to put the — strategy and organise and mobilise to put the pressure on our senators to put the pressure on our senators to pass — to put the pressure on our senators to pass both— to put the pressure on our senators to pass both of these pieces of legislation, the john lewis voting rights _ legislation, the john lewis voting rights act — legislation, the john lewis voting rights act and the for the people act. ~ ., ., ., act. we are to leave it there, thank ou ve act. we are to leave it there, thank you very much _ act. we are to leave it there, thank you very much for _ act. we are to leave it there, thank you very much for that. _ there are two essential pillars to any successful democracy — the right to vote and the right to assemble and protest, which brings us to an equally contentious issue here in the uk. the lords, and that includes our very own baron vaizey of didcot, will tonight vote on the police, crime, sentencing and courts bill. it's a mammoth undertaking that will reform our crime and justice legislation here in england and wales. one part of it covers changes to the policing of protests. if it goes through, police chiefs will be able to impose tighter conditions on static protests by setting a start and finish time. they will be able to set noise limits. that meant it has i am told just been rejected by the house of lords in the last hour. and they will be able to apply these rules to a demonstration involving just one person. i have to ask you since you are but we voting on some of these issues later this evening, are you going to vote for it? are un favour of the bill equipment yes, i am and we had just been voting while bernice king was speaking so eloquently about voting rights in the us, the division bell is coming off of the house of lords and i was terrified he might turn to me on the voting rights legislation in the us but quite wisely you work that i would have nothing to contribute to that discussion. �* ., ., , ., ., , discussion. but on demonstrations and perhaps _ discussion. but on demonstrations and perhaps this — discussion. but on demonstrations and perhaps this will _ discussion. but on demonstrations and perhaps this will confirm i discussion. but on demonstrations and perhaps this will confirm your| and perhaps this will confirm your low opinion— and perhaps this will confirm your low opinion of— and perhaps this will confirm your low opinion of me, _ and perhaps this will confirm your low opinion of 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europe today come in - don't have to look very far, in europe today come in to i don't have to look very far, in europe today come in to see i don't have to look very far, in - europe today come in to see those freedoms — europe today come in to see those freedoms are — europe today come in to see those freedoms are limited _ europe today come in to see those freedoms are limited in _ europe today come in to see those freedoms are limited in many- europe today come in to see those i freedoms are limited in many other countries. that's _ freedoms are limited in many other countries. that's incredibly- countries. that's incredibly important _ countries. that's incredibly important [_ countries. that's incredibly important-— countries. that's incredibly imortant. . ., , important. i want to stop you there because i want _ important. i want to stop you there because i want you _ important. i want to stop you there because i want you to _ important. i want to stop you there because i want you to listen - important. i want to stop you there because i want you to listen to - because i want you to listen to baroness cavendish. she is a cross bench pier in the house of lords and she is not in favour and i want you listen to me about why she is opposed. what worries me about this bill is it's very widely drawn and it's very vaguely worded and it really uses noise for the first time as a way for police to decide whether you or i are criminals. it actually extends even to one—person protests, so if you or i wanted to sit on a street corner shouting, the police now have very widely drawn powers to decide whether we are causing what they call in the bill "serious annoyance or serious inconvenience". now, that is very subjective. it's up to somebody else to decide, and i think really we are sleepwalking into a police state. i know camilla very well and she was a fat head _ i know camilla very well and she was a fat head of— i know camilla very well and she was a fat head of 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screaming about europe. and i walk to work and i— screaming about europe. and i walk to work and i think _ screaming about europe. and i walk to work and i think why— screaming about europe. and i walk to work and i think why can - screaming about europe. and i walk to work and i think why can the - to work and i think why can the police — to work and i think why can the police hot _ to work and i think why can the police not of— to work and i think why can the police not of this _ to work and i think why can the police not of this guy _ to work and i think why can the police not of this guy doing - to work and i think why can the | police not of this guy doing this with matt — police not of this guy doing this with matt he _ police not of this guy doing this with matt he is _ police not of this guy doing this with matt he is not _ police not of this guy doing this with matt he is not moving - police not of this guy doing this with matt he is not moving on. police not of this guy doing this . with matt he is not moving on the case _ with matt he is not moving on the case to— with matt he is not moving on the case to state _ with matt he is not moving on the case to state in _ with matt he is not moving on the case to state in europe, - with matt he is not moving on the case to state in europe, he - with matt he is not moving on the case to state in europe, he is - case to state in europe, he is just — case to state in europe, he is 'ust... �* . . , just... but the police have broad owers just... but the police have broad powers to be _ just... but the police have broad powers to be able _ just... but the police have broad powers to be able to _ just... but the police have broad powers to be able to do - just... but the police have broad powers to be able to do that. - just... but the police have broad. powers to be able to do that. why just... but the police have broad - powers to be able to do that. why do they need more powers with muh and out the innocence become political if they are trying to stop someone who is campaigning about europe because he has a ghetto blaster? i because he has a ghetto blaster? i think there is this new think of this new— think there is this new think of this new demonstration - think there is this new think of this new demonstration called | this new demonstration called looking — this new demonstration called looking on— this new demonstration called looking on and _ this new demonstration called looking on and i— this new demonstration called looking on and i was- this new demonstration called looking on and i was looking l this new demonstration called i looking on and i was looking to this new demonstration called - looking on and i was looking to work again— looking on and i was looking to work again the _ looking on and i was looking to work again the other— looking on and i was looking to work again the other day _ looking on and i was looking to work again the other day with _ looking on and i was looking to work again the other day with lots - looking on and i was looking to work again the other day with lots of- again the other day with lots of nice middle _ again the other day with lots of nice middle class— again the other day with lots of nice middle class there - again the other day with lots of nice middle class there were i again the other day with lots of- nice middle class there were people like me _ nice middle class there were people like me who — nice middle class there were people like me whojust_ nice middle class there were people like me whojust happened - nice middle class there were people like me whojust happened to- nice middle class there were people like me whojust happened to havei like me whojust happened to have glued themselves— like me whojust happened to have glued themselves to _ like me whojust happened to have glued themselves to the _ like me whojust happened to have glued themselves to the right - like me whojust happened to have glued themselves to the right andi glued themselves to the right and the reason — glued themselves to the right and the reason we _ glued themselves to the right and the reason we needed _ glued themselves to the right and the reason we needed police - glued themselves to the right and| the reason we needed police there was to— the reason we needed police there was to stop — the reason we needed police there was to stop motorists _ the reason we needed police there was to stop motorists running - the reason we needed police therei was to stop motorists running them over irr— was to stop motorists running them over in angry— was to stop motorists running them over in angry frustration. _ was to stop motorists running them over in angry frustration. so - was to stop motorists running them over in angry frustration. so i- over in angry frustration. sol think— over in angry frustration. sol think that _ over in angry frustration. sol think that what _ over in angry frustration. sol think that what camilla - over in angry frustration. sol think that what camilla says i over in angry frustration. so i. think that what camilla says we over in angry frustration. so i- think that what camilla says we are heading _ think that what camilla says we are heading to— think that what camilla says we are heading to a — think that what camilla says we are heading to a police _ think that what camilla says we are heading to a police state, - think that what camilla says we are heading to a police state, i- think that what camilla says we are heading to a police state, i think. heading to a police state, i think that is— heading to a police state, i think that is hyperbole. _ heading to a police state, i think that is hyperbole. i— heading to a police state, i think that is hyperbole. i think- heading to a police state, i think that is hyperbole. i think one - heading to a police state, i think that is hyperbole. i think one ofi that is hyperbole. i think one of the great virtues _ that is hyperbole. i think one of the great virtues of— that is hyperbole. i think one of the great virtues of living - that is hyperbole. i think one of the great virtues of living and l that is hyperbole. i think one of. the great virtues of living and we must _ the great virtues of living and we must be — the great virtues of living and we must be vigilant— the great virtues of living and we must be vigilant of— the great virtues of living and we must be vigilant of course - the great virtues of living and we must be vigilant of course about| must be vigilant of course about what _ must be vigilant of course about what the — must be vigilant of course about what the executive _ must be vigilant of course about what the executive is _ must be vigilant of course about what the executive is trying - must be vigilant of course about what the executive is trying to l must be vigilant of course aboutl what the executive is trying to do but one _ what the executive is trying to do but one of— what the executive is trying to do but one of the _ what the executive is trying to do but one of the great _ what the executive is trying to do but one of the great virtues - what the executive is trying to do but one of the great virtues of. but one of the great virtues of living — but one of the great virtues of living irr— but one of the great virtues of living in a _ but one of the great virtues of living in a democracy- but one of the great virtues of living in a democracy is- but one of the great virtues of - living in a democracy is that nobody would _ living in a democracy is that nobody would stand — living in a democracy is that nobody would stand for— living in a democracy is that nobody would stand for heavy— handed - living in a democracy is that nobodyi would stand for heavy— handed police tactics _ would stand for heavy— handed police tactics that _ would stand for heavy— handed police tactics that will— would stand for heavy— handed police tactics that will be _ would stand for heavy— handed police tactics that will be gratuitous - would stand for heavy— handed police tactics that will be gratuitous and - tactics that will be gratuitous and necessary — tactics that will be gratuitous and necessary but _ tactics that will be gratuitous and necessary but it's _ tactics that will be gratuitous and necessary but it's quite _ tactics that will be gratuitous and necessary but it's quite clear- tactics that will be gratuitous andi necessary but it's quite clear from some _ necessary but it's quite clear from some of— necessary but it's quite clear from some of the — necessary but it's quite clear from some of the things _ necessary but it's quite clear from some of the things we _ necessary but it's quite clear from some of the things we have - necessary but it's quite clear from some of the things we have seeni some of the things we have seen going on— some of the things we have seen going on demonstrations - some of the things we have seen going on demonstrations and - some of the things we have seen- going on demonstrations and another the government— going on demonstrations and another the government would _ going on demonstrations and another the government would bring - going on demonstrations and another the government would bring this - the government would bring this legislation— the government would bring this legislation irr— the government would bring this legislation in with _ the government would bring this legislation in with these - the government would bring this legislation in with these issues l the government would bring this . legislation in with these issues and people _ legislation in with these issues and people have — legislation in with these issues and people have taken _ legislation in with these issues and people have taken the _ legislation in with these issues and people have taken the mick - legislation in with these issues and people have taken the mick if - legislation in with these issues and people have taken the mick if i - people have taken the mick if i can use a _ people have taken the mick if i can use a colloquial— people have taken the mick if i can use a colloquial expression. - use a colloquial expression. stephanie, _ use a colloquial expression. stephanie, ed _ use a colloquial expression. stephanie, ed is— use a colloquial expression. stephanie, ed is rather- use a colloquial expression. | stephanie, ed is rathertheir use a colloquial expression. - stephanie, ed is rather their people now gluing himself to motorways and chaining themselves to the gates of dentistry and train themselves to each other. it's a more extreme form of protest but i know often of course protests in america at which we have seen a lot in the last year, it has come under political focus, black lives matter and the way that donald trump reacted and of course the capital building onjanuary the 6th. what you make of this in the uk? i 6th. what you make of this in the uk? “ 6th. what you make of this in the uk? ~ �* , ., , 6th. what you make of this in the uk? «w, ,,_ uk? i think it's a very slippery slo es uk? i think it's a very slippery stapes talk— uk? i think it's a very slippery slopes talk about _ uk? i think it's a very slippery slopes talk about noise - uk? i think it's a very slippery slopes talk about noise as - uk? i think it's a very slippery slopes talk about noise as a i uk? i think it's a very slippery i slopes talk about noise as a sign uk? i think it's a very slippery - slopes talk about noise as a sign of whether or not a protest should be allowed. i think ed said previously that it allowed. i think ed said previously thatitis allowed. i think ed said previously that it is the mess that we accept as part of our democracy, people have the right to protest and sometimes it is ugly and sometimes it's inconvenient, but in america, thatis it's inconvenient, but in america, that is our right, the right of free speech, the right to freely assemble, the right to be heard. the riaht assemble, the right to be heard. the ri . ht to assemble, the right to be heard. the right to glue yourself to a road? i right to glue yourself to a road? i don't agree with gluing people to the road. i did not agree with people in baltimore were blocking traffic. the challenge is you say that they need to be stopped and the police need to be the ones to say if you are too noisy, you cannot protest and the problem is we don't get to the heavy—handed authoritarian state that was talking about overnight. it happens in increments, and we have to be vigilant about these increments. we saw what happened in this country when the previous president took, use the police powers at his control to viciously remove protesters who were peacefully assembled in front of the white house and it says we would not stand for it, we stood for it. it happened. and we watched when he went out there with an upside down bible holding it up saying that his executive power and the bible gave him the authority to do that. we watched that happen. so we have to be careful. no, you will people gluing themselves to the road, but we cannot allow the police such latitude to decide who can speak and who cannot and how. {lilia latitude to decide who can speak and who cannot and how.— who cannot and how. 0k, we will leave it there _ who cannot and how. 0k, we will leave it there but _ who cannot and how. 0k, we will leave it there but he _ who cannot and how. 0k, we will leave it there but he said - who cannot and how. 0k, we will leave it there but he said with . who cannot and how. 0k, we willl leave it there but he said with this as this is contact on abc. we will hunt with an asteroid hurtling towards earth but don't worry it's going to miss us by a mere 1.93 million kilometres. priti patel for the after a chinese agent was operating in westminster. the sense of grief and shock on the murder of ashley murphy has travelled across the world. a talented musician, playing here with her sister, ashling was also an irish speaker, and her career as a local primary school teacher in her hometown of tullamore had onlyjust begun. she was the girl next door. she loved clothes, she loved socialising with her friends. we're struggling as a community, we're struggling to grasp it ourselves. this was the canal path where ashling murphy went jogging after school. the irish police say she was strangled and that she fought with the killer, who may have been injured when he fled the scene. they're waiting to question a man who's recovering in hospital with injuries that have raised suspicion. people have found this difficult to comprehend. what officers say was a random attack along this popular route in broad daylight, and what happened here to ashling murphy has sparked a reaction much further afield. in towns and cities across ireland, in london and as far as australia, tens of thousands of people have gathered in ashling murphy's memory. but more than that — to unite in calls for a change in society so women and girls can feel safe. if we are to break the cycle of male violence against women, _ we need to develop an enforceable, zero—tolerance approach _ towards misogyny and sexism. that's to end all violence against all women in all of its forms. - at stormont in northern ireland today, the deputy first minister, michelle o'neill, called for a cultural shift. ireland is still in disbelief, but there is also a sense of defiance and hope that ashling murphy's death can also bring about change. emma vardy, bbc news, tullamore. so, we have dealt with the cataclysmic volcano — let's turn before to the asteroid now hurtling towards the earth. not literally. we are not in any mortal danger. it will pass earth tomorrow from a relatively safe distance of 1.93 million kilometres. asteroid 7&82, as it is known, was first discovered some 30 years ago, and it has been tracked by nasa throughout its journey. in size, it is over 1000 kilometres wide, bigger than the world's tallest building, and it is on a loop around the sun, last passing this close in 1933. i want you to note how sober i was in reporting that. if you have watched the new netflix film don't look up, which relates to an asteroid that is heading for earth, then you will know that television anchors don't come out of it very well. how big is this thing? could it, like, destroy someone's house? i is that possible? well, comet dibiasky, which is what it will officially be named, is somewhere... after her? yeah, after her. what an honour, right? congratulations. yeah, congratulations. it's somewhere between 6—9 kilometres across, so... it's big. it would damage the entire planet, notjust a house. you know... the entire planet? 0k, well, as it's damaging, will it hit this one house - in particular that's right- on the coast of newjersey? it's my ex—wife's house, i need it to be hit. - can we make that happen? you and jenny have a great relationship. i will try and do a little bit better. let's ask professor amy mainzer, professor in the lunar and planetary laboratory at the university of arizona and scientific adviser on the hit netflix film don't look up. welcome to the programme. so tell me come of this asteroid, you have done about it for 30 odd years. is it tracks all the time? is it tracked every day, every year? this asteroid is not tracked _ every day, every year? this asteroid is not tracked every _ every day, every year? this asteroid is not tracked every day _ every day, every year? this asteroid is not tracked every day but - every day, every year? this asteroid is not tracked every day but we - every day, every year? this asteroid is not tracked every day but we have so marry _ is not tracked every day but we have so many observations _ is not tracked every day but we have so many observations of— is not tracked every day but we have so many observations of it _ is not tracked every day but we have so many observations of it that - is not tracked every day but we have so many observations of it that span decades— so many observations of it that span decades at this _ so many observations of it that span decades at this point _ so many observations of it that span decades at this point so _ so many observations of it that span decades at this point so we have - so many observations of it that span decades at this point so we have a l decades at this point so we have a really— decades at this point so we have a really good — decades at this point so we have a really good idea _ decades at this point so we have a really good idea of— decades at this point so we have a really good idea of where it's - decades at this point so we have ai really good idea of where it's going to go— really good idea of where it's going to go and _ really good idea of where it's going to go and where _ really good idea of where it's going to go and where it's _ really good idea of where it's going to go and where it's not _ really good idea of where it's going to go and where it's not going - really good idea of where it's going to go and where it's not going to l really good idea of where it's going| to go and where it's not going to go is crashing — to go and where it's not going to go is crashing into earth. _ to go and where it's not going to go is crashing into earth. that's - to go and where it's not going to go is crashing into earth. that's the . is crashing into earth. that's the good _ is crashing into earth. that's the good news _ is crashing into earth. that's the good news as_ is crashing into earth. that's the good news— good news. as of this as a burly fan, but good news. as of this as a burly fan. but at _ good news. as of this as a burly fan, but at 1.8 _ good news. as of this as a burly fan, but at 1.8 million _ good news. as of this as a burly fan, but at 1.8 million km - good news. as of this as a burly j fan, but at 1.8 million km away, good news. as of this as a burly i fan, but at 1.8 million km away, is that a near miss? is that what you call a near miss?— call a near miss? space is really, reall bi call a near miss? space is really, really big chemist _ call a near miss? space is really, really big chemist from _ call a near miss? space is really, really big chemist from my - really big chemist from my standpoint— really big chemist from my standpoint this _ really big chemist from my standpoint this is - really big chemist from my standpoint this is an - really big chemist from my standpoint this is an object really big chemist from my - standpoint this is an object that -ets standpoint this is an object that gets somewhat _ standpoint this is an object that gets somewhat close _ standpoint this is an object that gets somewhat close to - standpoint this is an object that gets somewhat close to the - standpoint this is an object that l gets somewhat close to the earth standpoint this is an object that - gets somewhat close to the earth but from a _ gets somewhat close to the earth but from a hazard — gets somewhat close to the earth but from a hazard perspective, _ gets somewhat close to the earth but from a hazard perspective, is - gets somewhat close to the earth but from a hazard perspective, is really. from a hazard perspective, is really not a _ from a hazard perspective, is really not a worry— from a hazard perspective, is really not a worry because _ from a hazard perspective, is really not a worry because it's _ from a hazard perspective, is really not a worry because it's going - not a worry because it's going to miss— not a worry because it's going to miss by— not a worry because it's going to miss by so— not a worry because it's going to miss by so much— not a worry because it's going to miss by so much that _ not a worry because it's going to miss by so much that there is i not a worry because it's going to. miss by so much that there is just no chance — miss by so much that there is just no chance of— miss by so much that there is just no chance of it _ no chance of it impacting whatsoever. _ no chance of it impacting whatsoever. so - no chance of it impacting whatsoever. so that's . no chance of it impacting| whatsoever. so that's the no chance of it impacting - whatsoever. so that's the great news _ whatsoever. so that's the great news it — whatsoever. so that's the great news it is _ whatsoever. so that's the great news it is a _ whatsoever. so that's the great news. it is a pretty— whatsoever. so that's the great news. it is a pretty large - whatsoever. so that's the greati news. it is a pretty large object, though — news. it is a pretty large object, though it — news. it is a pretty large object, though it is— news. it is a pretty large object, though. it is about _ news. it is a pretty large object, though. it is about a _ news. it is a pretty large object, though. it is about a kilometre i though. it is about a kilometre across— though. it is about a kilometre across the _ though. it is about a kilometre across the deftly— though. it is about a kilometre across the deftly want to - across the deftly want to pay attention to a keep - across the deftly want to pay attention to a keep track- attention to a keep track of where it's going — attention to a keep track of where it's anoin. ., , attention to a keep track of where it's orirn. .,, ., , , ., attention to a keep track of where it'srorin. ., , , ., , it's going. the obvious question is if ou it's going. the obvious question is if you know _ it's going. the obvious question is if you know these _ it's going. the obvious question is if you know these asteroids - it's going. the obvious question is if you know these asteroids are i it's going. the obvious question is| if you know these asteroids are out there, does life imitate art? are there, does life imitate art? are there only to be or could there be one day an asteroid that is on the trajectory to hit us? llrful’ith one day an asteroid that is on the trajectory to hit us?— trajectory to hit us? with that we know about _ trajectory to hit us? with that we know about these _ trajectory to hit us? with that we know about these events - trajectory to hit us? with that we know about these events is - trajectory to hit us? with that we know about these events is they | trajectory to hit us? with that we i know about these events is they are very. _ know about these events is they are very. very _ know about these events is they are very. very rare _ know about these events is they are very, very rare. the _ know about these events is they are very, very rare. the probability- know about these events is they are very, very rare. the probability is. very, very rare. the probability is not zero — very, very rare. the probability is not zero and _ very, very rare. the probability is not zero. and for _ very, very rare. the probability is not zero. and for my— very, very rare. the probability is not zero. and for my standpoint, | very, very rare. the probability is- not zero. and for my standpoint, the sensible thing — not zero. and for my standpoint, the sensible thing we _ not zero. and for my standpoint, the sensible thing we should _ not zero. and for my standpoint, the sensible thing we should be - not zero. and for my standpoint, the sensible thing we should be doing i not zero. and for my standpoint, the sensible thing we should be doing is| sensible thing we should be doing is basically going — sensible thing we should be doing is basically going out _ sensible thing we should be doing is basically going out and _ sensible thing we should be doing is basically going out and looking i sensible thing we should be doing is basically going out and looking to i basically going out and looking to 'ust basically going out and looking to just see _ basically going out and looking to just see what's _ basically going out and looking to just see what's out _ basically going out and looking to just see what's out there - basically going out and looking to i just see what's out there and make sure that _ just see what's out there and make sure that there _ just see what's out there and make sure that there is _ just see what's out there and make sure that there is nothing - just see what's out there and make sure that there is nothing there i sure that there is nothing there that's— sure that there is nothing there that's coming _ sure that there is nothing there that's coming our— sure that there is nothing there that's coming our way- sure that there is nothing there that's coming our way for- sure that there is nothing there that's coming our way for the l sure that there is nothing there i that's coming our way for the next 100 years — that's coming our way for the next 100 years or— that's coming our way for the next 100 years or so _ that's coming our way for the next 100 years or so. if— that's coming our way for the next 100 years or so. if you get - that's coming our way for the next 100 years or so. if you get to i that's coming our way for the next 100 years or so. if you get to a i 100 years or so. if you get to a good _ 100 years or so. if you get to a good tip — 100 years or so. if you get to a good tip of that. _ 100 years or so. if you get to a good tip of that, we _ 100 years or so. if you get to a good tip of that, we are - 100 years or so. if you get to a good tip of that, we are pretty| 100 years or so. if you get to a i good tip of that, we are pretty much decide _ good tip of that, we are pretty much decide whether— good tip of that, we are pretty much decide whether or— good tip of that, we are pretty much decide whether or be _ good tip of that, we are pretty much decide whether or be able _ good tip of that, we are pretty much decide whether or be able to - good tip of that, we are pretty much decide whether or be able to figure. decide whether or be able to figure out if— decide whether or be able to figure out if there is— decide whether or be able to figure out if there is a _ decide whether or be able to figure out if there is a mean that - decide whether or be able to figure out if there is a mean that is - out if there is a mean that is headed _ out if there is a mean that is headed our way. _ out if there is a mean that is headed our way.— out if there is a mean that is headed our way. out if there is a mean that is headed our wa . ., , . headed our way. you see, and kevin asteroid was — headed our way. you see, and kevin asteroid was going _ headed our way. you see, and kevin asteroid was going to _ headed our way. you see, and kevin asteroid was going to hit _ headed our way. you see, and kevin asteroid was going to hit the - headed our way. you see, and kevin asteroid was going to hit the earth i asteroid was going to hit the earth but nothing is going to create an excuse for you tonight to miss the next voting bell, you do know that? we will be pleased to know that we have lost _ we will be pleased to know that we have lost every vote by the same margin _ have lost every vote by the same margin effort is going to miss the earth _ margin effort is going to miss the earth but— margin effort is going to miss the earth. but i have got a few things i want _ earth. but i have got a few things i want to get— earth. but i have got a few things i want to get off my chest following that interview and i think one is nasa _ that interview and i think one is nasa has — that interview and i think one is nasa has to be more imaginative about— nasa has to be more imaginative about what he calls this asteroid. you cannot— about what he calls this asteroid. you cannot have an earth running asteroid — you cannot have an earth running asteroid called 7248. we name our hurricanes — asteroid called 7248. we name our hurricanes. secondly am a bit worried — hurricanes. secondly am a bit worried that nasa is not watching this asteroid every day for some it could suddenly veer left.— could suddenly veer left. exactly, to be on a — could suddenly veer left. exactly, to be on a flat — could suddenly veer left. exactly, to be on a flat spin. _ could suddenly veer left. exactly, to be on a flat spin. don't - could suddenly veer left. exactly, to be on a flat spin. don't they i to be on a flat spin. don't they always travel straight? i’m to be on a flat spin. don't they always travel straight?- always travel straight? i'm not feelinr always travel straight? i'm not feeling safe — always travel straight? i'm not feeling safe with _ always travel straight? i'm not feeling safe with nasa - always travel straight? i'm not feeling safe with nasa cash i always travel straight? i'm not feeling safe with nasa cash for checking — feeling safe with nasa cash for checking in with the asteroid they claim is— checking in with the asteroid they claim is going to miss by 2 million miles _ claim is going to miss by 2 million miles does — claim is going to miss by 2 million miles. does that make you feel safe? you are _ miles. does that make you feel safe? you are very— miles. does that make you feel safe? you are very smart about would represent — you are very smart about would represent presenter you were but i'm sure you — represent presenter you were but i'm sure you sit _ represent presenter you were but i'm sure you sit in the beginning that it was— sure you sit in the beginning that it was 1000 km wide...| sure you sit in the beginning that it was 1000 km wide... i did sure you sit in the beginning that it was 1000 km wide. . ._ sure you sit in the beginning that it was 1000 km wide... i did i? that is a near miss- _ it was 1000 km wide... i did i? that is a near miss. apologies _ it was 1000 km wide... i did i? that is a near miss. apologies for i is a near miss. apologies for that. stephanie, quickly one minute left, have you seen the film? is it reflecting life as we know it now or would not even blink of an ashley was heading towards us? i would not even blink of an ashley was heading towards us?- would not even blink of an ashley was heading towards us? i have 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we'll talk about this some more. see you then. good evening. it's been a classic january winter day today. we started off cold, foggy and frosty in many places, but there was some beautiful clear blue sky and sunshine notjust in west berkshire, fairly widespread across the country. we did have a little bit of fairweather cloud across north west england, western scotland and the northern isles, but elsewhere, it was all about the sunshine through this afternoon. some sparkling blue skies out there. all courtesy of this area of high pressure, and it's going to stay with us for the next few days. a bit more of a breeze up into the far north west, a weather front knocking on the door there. but with those clear skies continuing through this evening and overnight, the fog is set to reform across central and eastern england, and we're likely to see those temperatures falling away quite sharply here. in towns and city centres, below freezing, so in rural parts, maybe as low as —5 degrees. that brings with it an issue with some fog, some of it dense in places first thing tomorrow morning, so that's certainly worth bearing in mind if you are up and off early. now, the fog should lift during the early morning, but in one or two places, it could linger. and if that happens, well, those temperatures could be a bit subdued. again, a south—westerly flow will drive in more cloud out to the west, and we'll see some outbreaks of light, patchy rain into western scotland and northern ireland by the end of the afternoon. those weather fronts are going to continue to push their way steadily south and east, so as we move into wednesday, we'll see a change of fortunes for england and wales. there's certainly going to be more cloud around, some showery outbreaks of rain drifting their way southwards. a northerly wind kicks in behind, cleaner, clearerair. there's more sunshine coming through, but some of those showers could turn increasingly wintry to higher ground here. and a colder day generally in scotland as we go through the afternoon. out of wednesday into thursday, still high pressure dominating the story, but sitting out in the atlantic. and that means that cold northerly flow, particularly down through the north sea, will be more of a feature, so it is going to be a cold start to thursday morning. widespread cold across the country potentially on thursday. and we keep that keen wind driving in more cloud, making it feel quite raw on those exposed east coasts. there'll be some sunshine further inland, a little bit more moisture out to the west, and here not quite as cold. but the temperatures may well struggle on that east coast, li—s degrees at the very best. take care. tonight at 10:00pm, two arrests are made following the hostage—taking in texas by a man from blackburn. malik faisal akram was shot dead by police at the scene after a ten—hour stand—off at a synagogue. in manchester today police arrested two teenager, as friends of the attacker said he should never have been allowed to leave the uk. if there was mental health issues, why did he go in the first place? were there people looking after him? or why did he fly out? in texas, the rabbi who was one of the four taken hostage has been describing what happened. i heard a click, and it could have been anything. and it turned out that it was his gun. we'll have the latest on the fbi investigation in texas and the corresponding police activity in blackburn. also tonight...