Transcripts For BBCNEWS The Papers 20240709

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bringing us tomorrow. with me are the journalist and broadcaster, mihir bose, and the former pensions and conservative minister, ros altmann. so let's begin with a review of those papers. the sunday telegraph leads with a picture of the prime minister's wife, carriejohnson. it says she was snapped breaking covid social distancing rules days after the public was warned that it was "critical" to follow the guidance. according to the observer, tory mps will be ready in sufficient numbers to oust borisjohnson if he tries to dodge responsibility for rule—breaking parties in downing street. the sunday times claims that borisjohnson is preparing a mass clearout of officials in downing street and a raft of what it calls "populist" policies to try and rescue his premiership. the sunday express claims all covid restrictions in england will end in ten days — that's according to a government source. "andrew's tears over titles" is the people's headline, with the paper saying the duke of york is devastated at losing his military honours. the bbc is facing a £2 billion funding cut, according to the mail on sunday. the paper claims the corporation is facing a two—year licence fee freeze after negotiations with the government. and the online independent has a dramatic picture of the volcanic eruption in tonga which triggered a tsumani. so let's begin, with the sunday telegraph, that picture of carrie johnson and a friend and the headline "carriejohnson broke covid rules." headline "carrie johnson broke covid rules." . �* , . headline "carrie johnson broke covid rules." . v . , headline "carrie johnson broke covid rules.“ . �*, . , ., ., rules." that's a very damaging sto , rules." that's a very damaging story. because _ rules." that's a very damaging story, because so _ rules.�* that's a very damaging story, because so far- rules." that's a very damaging story, because so far the - rules." that's a very damaging i story, because so far the story we've heard about what happened in number 10 downing street after work parties, leaving parties and so on which has been argued by some that they were not really parties, just work—related affairs and things like that. but this is something very different. the context of the story, september 2020 when we were told we should not be meeting with anybody outside our family and should not be meeting with anybody outside ourfamily and no more than six people should get together, and if they do it should be socially distanced. from the picture it is very clear that if this is social distancing, then what is social intimacy? she has her arm around her friend, it's an engagement party at a london west end club, and she has her leg draped over her. this is clearly — if the prime minister's family is behaving in this fashion when the promise or a saying how we should behave and giving very strict guidelines, never before have we had such strict guidelines over how we should behave with one another, with our friends and relations, should behave with one another, with ourfriends and relations, and should behave with one another, with our friends and relations, and so on - i our friends and relations, and so on — i think that sends a very bad message about one law for our rulers, and one law for the rest of us. �* , ., _, , rulers, and one law for the rest of us. , ., , us. and rules of course have been used to mean _ us. and rules of course have been used to mean both _ us. and rules of course have been used to mean both law— us. and rules of course have been used to mean both law and - us. and rules of course have been i used to mean both law and guidance at various times in england, i think at various times in england, i think at this stage it was guidance in england, but nonetheless mrsjohnson clearly feels awkward about this, shall we say, if i can use that word, herspokesman shall we say, if i can use that word, her spokesman is quoted in the article as saying she regrets the momentary lapse in judgment article as saying she regrets the momentary lapse injudgment and momentary lapse in judgment and briefly momentary lapse injudgment and briefly hugging herfriend momentary lapse injudgment and briefly hugging her friend for a photograph. what do you think conservative voters, and many of them read the sunday telegraph, will be making of this? i them read the sunday telegraph, will be making of this?— be making of this? i think there will be ongoing _ be making of this? i think there will be ongoing anger _ be making of this? i think there will be ongoing anger and - be making of this? i think there will be ongoing anger and fury l be making of this? i think there | will be ongoing anger and fury at the attitude that seems to have been displayed _ the attitude that seems to have been displayed at the very top towards the restrictions that were being imposed — the restrictions that were being imposed on the rest of the country. it's got _ imposed on the rest of the country. it's got this — imposed on the rest of the country. it's got this feeling as if people at the — it's got this feeling as if people at the top who were making rules that were — at the top who were making rules that were causing such distress to the whole — that were causing such distress to the whole population, really — whether— the whole population, really — whether it was guidelines or legal restrictions, the message was, "if you want— restrictions, the message was, "if you want to — restrictions, the message was, "if you want to do the right thing, then do what _ you want to do the right thing, then do what we — you want to do the right thing, then do what we suggest because it will be in _ do what we suggest because it will be in the _ do what we suggest because it will be in the interest of public health" _ be in the interest of public health." yet those who are making those _ health." yet those who are making those rules — health." yet those who are making those rules seem to have almost been treating _ those rules seem to have almost been treating them as a joke. and i think the public— treating them as a joke. and i think the public will be very angry that it looks — the public will be very angry that it looks as— the public will be very angry that it looks as if they were taken for tools _ it looks as if they were taken for tools and — it looks as if they were taken for fools. and i accept that it was very difficult, _ fools. and i accept that it was very difficult, it— fools. and i accept that it was very difficult, it was awful, and it still— difficult, it was awful, and it still is — difficult, it was awful, and it still is awful when you think about the people who couldn't hug their loved _ the people who couldn't hug their loved ones, the lady who commented in the _ loved ones, the lady who commented ih the story— loved ones, the lady who commented in the story was at her mother's fuherat— in the story was at her mother's funeral and _ in the story was at her mother's funeral and couldn't hug her grandmother. there were these amazing — grandmother. there were these amazing sacrifices that people made in the _ amazing sacrifices that people made in the national interest — and then they'll— in the national interest — and then they'll see — in the national interest — and then they'll see a — in the national interest — and then they'll see a picture like this, and ithink— they'll see a picture like this, and ithihk they— they'll see a picture like this, and i think they will understandably be reaity— i think they will understandably be really angry and perplexed, and feel that they've been taken advantage of, perhaps. that they've been taken advantage of. perhaps— that they've been taken advantage of, --erhas. ~ ., ., of, perhaps. were not looking at the observer right _ of, perhaps. were not looking at the observer right now, _ of, perhaps. were not looking at the observer right now, but _ of, perhaps. were not looking at the observer right now, but it _ of, perhaps. were not looking at the observer right now, but it has - of, perhaps. were not looking at the observer right now, but it has the i 0bserver right now, but it has the headline "tories will oust pm if he tries to dodge party kate blames." but the sunday times says johnson prepares clear out to save own skin. a somewhat different take — take us through the article from the sunday times. ,, ._ , ., , ., ., times. the sunday times has got a detailed story _ times. the sunday times has got a detailed story which _ times. the sunday times has got a detailed story which basically - times. the sunday times has got a detailed story which basically has i detailed story which basically has two very interesting phrases — that the operation being mounted and by borisjohnson is operation save the big dog, and this will be the night of the long scapegoat. number ten staff like martin reynolds, the prime secretary who sent out that infamous e—mail about bring your own booze to the number ten party, and dan rosenfield, in addition to that, borisjohnson will dan rosenfield, in addition to that, boris johnson will announce dan rosenfield, in addition to that, borisjohnson will announce a whole lot of measures— for instance, the bbc licensing fee will be frozen, that the military will be put in control of doing something about the illegal migrants coming from the channel, and something will be done about the 1.5 million who are out of work, giving them skills and so on. michael gove will announce a leveling out package, and things like that. so a combination of the prime minister showing he's finally taking charge. whether that will work or not and whether the night of the long scapegoat said will become the long night for borisjohnson remains to be scheme democracy and. a barrage of announcements if it is according to the sunday times says, if that is correct. and it's interesting, he was saying that martin reynolds, borisjohnson�*s principal private secretary, according to the paper is expected to leave, but it was only a few days ago wherejohnson was exposing his full confidence in him. ago where johnson was exposing his full confidence in him.— full confidence in him. again, i think most _ full confidence in him. again, i think most right _ full confidence in him. again, i think most right minded - full confidence in him. again, i| think most right minded people full confidence in him. again, i- think most right minded people will be astonished to see that nobody has actuaiiy— be astonished to see that nobody has actually either resigned or been asked to — actually either resigned or been asked to leave as a result of all the revelations that have been happening over the last number of days _ happening over the last number of days and — happening over the last number of days. and if somebody sends an e-hraii_ days. and if somebody sends an e-maii irr— days. and if somebody sends an e—mail in lockdown when clearly the couhtry _ e—mail in lockdown when clearly the couhtry is _ e—mail in lockdown when clearly the country is meant to be under these strict _ country is meant to be under these strict rules, — country is meant to be under these strict rules, inviting people — yes, maybe _ strict rules, inviting people — yes, maybe at— strict rules, inviting people — yes, maybe at a — strict rules, inviting people — yes, maybe at a workplace, but to bring your own _ maybe at a workplace, but to bring your own booze to a get together is certaihiy _ your own booze to a get together is certainly not in the spirit, excuse the pun. — certainly not in the spirit, excuse the pun. of— certainly not in the spirit, excuse the pun, of what we are meant to be doing _ the pun, of what we are meant to be doing. people are working flat out in the _ doing. people are working flat out in the nhs — this was their place of work, _ in the nhs — this was their place of work. but — in the nhs — this was their place of work, but they were not gathering to have drinks — work, but they were not gathering to have drinks. surely people must reaiise _ have drinks. surely people must realise that all those around the prime _ realise that all those around the prime minister, all those at the top need _ prime minister, all those at the top need to— prime minister, all those at the top need to take responsibility for what is being _ need to take responsibility for what is being imposed on the country. frankiy— is being imposed on the country. frankiy it's — is being imposed on the country. frankly it's long overdue. and clearl it frankly it's long overdue. and clearly it seems _ frankly it's long overdue. and clearly it seems that - frankly it's long overdue. and clearly it seems that a - frankly it's long overdue. fific clearly it seems that a number of strategies are being looked at in number ten, strategies are being looked at in numberten, in a number of strategies are being looked at in number ten, in a number of ways to approach this. the sunday express, the headline, "pm digits all rules, but will it save him?" a review of the plan b rules was imminent towards the end of the month anyway — but do you think people will be made to think differently about borisjohnson? made to think differently about boris johnson?— made to think differently about boris johnson? again, i hate to thinkthat _ boris johnson? again, i hate to think that this _ boris johnson? again, i hate to think that this is _ boris johnson? again, i hate to think that this is about - boris johnson? again, i hate to think that this is about any - boris johnson? again, i hate toj think that this is about any kind boris johnson? again, i hate to i think that this is about any kind of party— think that this is about any kind of party politics or an individual person's— party politics or an individual person's career. because we are talking _ person's career. because we are talking about is the national interest, _ talking about is the national interest, public health, and a major change _ interest, public health, and a major change potentially, hopefully, actually, in the pandemic course and the restrictions that have been imposed _ the restrictions that have been imposed. in fact, this is one of our main— imposed. in fact, this is one of our main items— imposed. in fact, this is one of our main items of the supposed operation red meat— main items of the supposed operation red meat that has been discussed in the sunday— red meat that has been discussed in the sunday times. it looks like we are coming — the sunday times. it looks like we are coming towards the end of this pandemic, — are coming towards the end of this pandemic, the omicron variant is clearly— pandemic, the omicron variant is clearly much less lethal. and if we have _ clearly much less lethal. and if we have got _ clearly much less lethal. and if we have got such success from the vaccine and the boosters, and knowing — vaccine and the boosters, and knowing that these are stopping people — knowing that these are stopping people from either going into hospital— people from either going into hospital or staying in hospital, and those _ hospital or staying in hospital, and those who— hospital or staying in hospital, and those who are in intensive care or seriously— those who are in intensive care or seriously ill — those who are in intensive care or seriously ill are almost all unvaccinated, then the time should be coming — unvaccinated, then the time should be coming now, saying we've got to live with _ be coming now, saying we've got to live with this and we've got to get rid of— live with this and we've got to get rid of government interference in our lives, — rid of government interference in our lives, get back to our lives and restore _ our lives, get back to our lives and restore confidence in people. clearly — restore confidence in people. clearly most everybody wants to get to that point, but there will still beissues to that point, but there will still be issues for certain groups of people, the immunosuppressed, for instance, who will continue to have worries. but bring it back to the point of will this make a difference, will this get people to focus on where people are now rather than what the prime minister has or hasn't done over the last couple of years, that is the key question here with this headline here. she years, that is the key question here with this headline here.— with this headline here. she may well be right _ with this headline here. she may well be right that _ with this headline here. she may well be right that the _ with this headline here. she may well be right that the pandemic l with this headline here. she may| well be right that the pandemic is ending, we are in an endemic — but not enough evidence has been produced, and a lot of people find it hard to believe that if the restrictions are lifted within ten days, as the story suggested it might be, that this is not another ploy by the prime minister to take a dodgy ploy, a clever move that we expect from this prime minister in order to evade responsibility for what has happened under his watch and downing street, and therefore get away from it all. i think there'll be a lot of suspicion. and talking to friends and relations, and so on, after two years of this, we've become very cautious. when we meet, we have a lateral flow test before we meet people. so the of this pandemic has been so ingrained in us, so we will see any lifting of restrictions, while very welcome, as perhaps a ploy, not straightforward following on of the scientific evidence. following on of the scientific evidence-— following on of the scientific evidence. ., ., ., , evidence. time for one more paper, "andrew's evidence. time for one more paper, "andrews tears _ evidence. time for one more paper, "andrew's tears over _ evidence. time for one more paper, "andrew's tears over his _ evidence. time for one more paper, "andrew's tears over his titles. " - "andrew's tears over his titles." andrew has had to give up his titles as a result of this case, he's always denied charges brought against him in america, in this story is about how sad he feels. but while, of course andrew must be considered at this point in time innocent and he has pleaded his innocence, the fact that these charges are very serious charges and the fact that he himself has not conducted himself in the public domain in a convincing fashion, i don't think many people will shed many tears for him at the moment. and he continues heat that he's always denied the allegations against him, a brief word from you? ifeel against him, a brief word from you? i feel terribly against him, a brief word from you? ifeel terribly sorry for against him, a brief word from you? i feel terribly sorry for the queen. you know. — i feel terribly sorry for the queen. you know, she's been put in a really difficult _ you know, she's been put in a really difficult position. she loves her son, _ difficult position. she loves her son, but— difficult position. she loves her son, but to see her son people in this position must be distressing for her — this position must be distressing for her. and of course, andrew is still trying — for her. and of course, andrew is still trying to fight against the and other stories about him wanting to interview the psychologist of the lady who _ to interview the psychologist of the lady who is accusing him of maybe having _ lady who is accusing him of maybe having false memories. this isn't quite _ having false memories. this isn't quite over— having false memories. this isn't quite over yet. i�*m having false memories. this isn't quite over yet-— having false memories. this isn't quite over yet. i'm so sorry but we are out of— quite over yet. i'm so sorry but we are out of time. _ quite over yet. i'm so sorry but we are out of time. thank _ quite over yet. i'm so sorry but we are out of time. thank you - quite over yet. i'm so sorry but we are out of time. thank you both i quite over yet. i'm so sorry but we l are out of time. thank you both very much for reviewing the papers tonight, and i'll be back at the top of the hour. coming up at coming up at next — it's the film review. hello, and a very warm welcome to the film review on bbc news. to take us through this week's cinema releases, mark kermode is back with me. hi, mark, what have you been watching? can ijust say happy new year. this is the first show we've done together. i know it's a bit late. ok, so, we have memoria, which is a cannesjury prizewinner. the scream franchise is back with scream — scream 5, but it's just called scream. and andrea arnold's feature documentary debut, cow. well, there's a good mixture. yes, kick us off. ok, so, memoria, which is the new film from apichatpong weerasethakul, who won the palme d'or for uncle boonmee who can recall his past lives, which is a really wonderful film. tilda swinton, who i think is great in almost everything,

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