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the conservative chair of the public affairs and cons to show affairs committee has in the last hour or so said that the prime minister's position is untenable. and that he should resign. he has been speaking to my colleague carolyn quinn on radio for�*s pm programme. william wragg said i don't think should be left to the findings of a civil servant to determine the future of the prime minister and indeed who governs the country. let's have a listen to others but more of what he had to say this afternoon. unfortunately, i was not reassured. ifear unfortunately, i was not reassured. i fear this is simply going to be a continuing distraction to the good governance of the country. and i particular concerned as a conservative mp, with interest of the country and my constituency and the country and my constituency and the conservative party, that a series of unforced errors on matters of integrity are deeply damaging to the perception of my colleagues and the perception of my colleagues and the party and that is deeply unfair to them. as colleagues are saying to one another and off the record, i sadly think that the premise or�*s position is untenable, and i don't believe that it should be left to the findings of a civil servant to determine the future of the prime minister and indeed who governs this country —— the prime minister's position. i think it is for the conservative party, if not the prime minister, in fact, conservative party, if not the prime minister, infact, to conservative party, if not the prime minister, in fact, to make that decision and to realise what is in the best interest of that we can move forward both as a party and a country. move forward both as a party and a count . �* , ., move forward both as a party and a count .�* move forward both as a party and a count . �* ., move forward both as a party and a count .�* ., country. are you saying that you think the prime _ country. are you saying that you think the prime minister - country. are you saying that you think the prime minister should | country. are you saying that you - think the prime minister should step down or be _ think the prime minister should step down or be forced from office in the next few _ down or be forced from office in the next few weeks or months, certainly before _ next few weeks or months, certainly before the _ next few weeks or months, certainly before the may elections? | next few weeks or months, certainly before the may elections?— before the may elections? i think it is a tragedy — before the may elections? i think it is a tragedy that — before the may elections? i think it is a tragedy that things _ before the may elections? i think it is a tragedy that things have - before the may elections? i think it is a tragedy that things have come | is a tragedy that things have come to pass in this way. and no doubt the prime minister is reflecting deeply on what has happened, but i cannot in all sincerity see a way where these issues go away and that we can move on and that we can be the party i know that we are, which is with the interest of the country and its people at our heart, without this constant distraction, it is deeply unfortunate, but i am afraid it is the inevitable conclusion, the on the way to do that is for change. would you like them to offer his resignation? | would you like them to offer his resignation?— would you like them to offer his resianation? ,, ., ., , resignation? i think that would be preferable. _ resignation? i think that would be preferable, because _ resignation? i think that would be preferable, because it _ resignation? i think that would be preferable, because it is - resignation? i think that would be preferable, because it is difficult l preferable, because it is difficult enough for colleagues, and ifeel a great deal of sympathy for them. they are tired, they are frankly worn out of defending what is invariably indefensible and that, for their sakes, at least, the prime minister should see that and do the right thing. minister should see that and do the riaht thin. ~ ., minister should see that and do the riaht thin. ~ . . ., minister should see that and do the riuahtthin.~ . . ., ~ right thing. william wragg, mp, sa in: the right thing. william wragg, mp, saying the prime _ right thing. william wragg, mp, saying the prime minister's - right thing. william wragg, mp, - saying the prime minister's position is untenable. deeply uncomfortable listening for the prime minister. let's go to nick eardley who is in the palace of westminster for us now. i suppose the key question is, and you can help us with this, how many other tory mps are thinking along similar lines?— along similar lines? there are certainly others _ along similar lines? there are certainly others who - along similar lines? there are certainly others who are - certainly others who are uncomfortable, but thinks that things are bad for the prime minister, who think that the pressure is not going to go away and that their constituents are unhappy and that there have been told by their constituents that they are unhappy. the hope in downing street will be there is not now a flood of people who are unhappy off the record, who are prepared to say it on the record and call for the prime minister to go. there are ministers being dispatched across the airwaves, across parliament this afternoon. michael gove isjust up there, pitching to tory mps about why they should wait for this report from the senior civil servants sue gray, who is looking into all these allegations of gatherings and parties in downing street and elsewhere in government, but there is deep unease in the party, and the question now, one that we civilly cannot answer at the moment, is whether there will be more mps who feel over the next few hours the next few days, perhaps, that they are going to add their voice to calls for the prime minister to go. we have got william wragg saying into pm this evening, we had douglas ross, the scottish tory leader, saying it this afternoon. there is pretty much open mutiny in the scottish conservative party, about a dozen msps now saying a thing mr johnson to go as well, other mps talking about their frustrations, and as i say the question now for mr johnson is whether that is it or whether there are more to come. band whether there are more to come. and “ust whether there are more to come. and just briefly. — whether there are more to come. and just briefly, talk close to the mechanism, if there are enough who think that is it, what they would have to do to try to get rid of him as their leader. for have to do to try to get rid of him as their leader.— have to do to try to get rid of him as their leader. for a no-confidence vote in the — as their leader. for a no-confidence vote in the prime _ as their leader. for a no-confidence vote in the prime minister, - as their leader. for a no-confidence vote in the prime minister, they - vote in the prime minister, they would have to be 5a mps writing to the chairman of the backbench committee, 1922 committee, calling for a vote to be held of the finest or�*s future, and that is a bit of guesswork, to be honest, i've been kieron pollard metoo long to believe any predictions about how many of those letters have gone in —— prime minister's future, i have been in parliament too long. what we do know for sure is the pressure the prime minister is not going away. he may have bought himself some time in the eyes of some, into that report by sue gray comes out, but there are also members deeply unhappy, deeply worried and increasingly talking about what if they need to get rid of mrjohnson. find about what if they need to get rid of mrjohnson-— about what if they need to get rid of mrjohnson. and also, nick, we have not of mrjohnson. and also, nick, we have got the _ of mrjohnson. and also, nick, we have got the results _ of mrjohnson. and also, nick, we have got the results to _ of mrjohnson. and also, nick, we have got the results to come - of mrjohnson. and also, nick, we have got the results to come on . of mrjohnson. and also, nick, we l have got the results to come on sue gray positing inquiry, but we've also potentially — and who knows— may get more revelations about more parties or more revelations about existing parties we know a bit about, maybe more pictures, so this is not over for the about, maybe more pictures, so this is not overfor the prime minister by any means. i is not over for the prime minister by any means-— by any means. i don't think this sto is by any means. i don't think this story is going — by any means. i don't think this story is going anywhere, - by any means. i don't think this story is going anywhere, i - by any means. i don't think this story is going anywhere, i thick| by any means. i don't think this i story is going anywhere, i thick it is going to run and run, and you are right, there is constant speculation there may be more allegations and revelations to, what went on during lockdown, whether there were more gatherings which potentially breached those current of everest rules, and i spoke to one senior tory —— those coronavirus rules. if that report from sue gray comes back and either says the prime minister did not tell the truth or the prime minister acted badly or finds did not tell the truth or the prime minister acted badly orfinds in other way to criticise him or find another revelation that involves the prime minister, that could be terminal, and there are many in government who will be hoping that this buys a bit of time, but know that he is not out of the woods yet. nick, good to talk to you, thank you so much. that is the very latest from westminster, nick eardley, and we've also been hearing from the deputy prime minister and hejust we've also been hearing from the deputy prime minister and he just a secretary, dominic raab, who has been answering questions about the diner should party. the first question to him was whether he knew about that party back in may 2020 and also whether he was there. i was neither invited _ and also whether he was there. i was neither invited nor _ and also whether he was there. i was neither invited nor did _ and also whether he was there. i was neither invited nor did i _ and also whether he was there. i —" neither invited nor did i attend. colleagues were drinking, they were eating picnic food. it was after 6pm. he said it was a work meeting. is that credible? the 6pm. he said it was a work meeting. is that credible?— is that credible? the prime minister has come to — is that credible? the prime minister has come to the _ is that credible? the prime minister has come to the house _ is that credible? the prime minister has come to the house of— is that credible? the prime minister| has come to the house of commons, given clear accounts on this. he was clear he believed he was acting within the accordance of the rules at the time but of course understands that the perception of those in power not following the rules that many others are required to, particularly those who are been through hardship or lost loved ones during this pandemic, that is why he has apologised, and in relation to all the detailed claims and questions that have been raised, i think it is right, as he was saying today in the house of commons, that sue gray is given the time to conduct that investigation. there will be a full accounting of them. the prime minister will come back to the house. that is the right way to handle this. the house. that is the right way to handle this-— the house. that is the right way to handle this. �* ,, ., ., handle this. bring your own booze to the work meeting? _ handle this. bring your own booze to the work meeting? you _ handle this. bring your own booze to the work meeting? you can - handle this. bring your own booze to the work meeting? you can make i the work meeting? you can make ulcerative suppositions _ the work meeting? you can make ulcerative suppositions but - the work meeting? you can make ulcerative suppositions but the i the work meeting? you can make l ulcerative suppositions but the very different claims —— all sorts of suppositions. that is precisely why sue gray has been tasked with looking at it in an independent investigation, to make sure all of this question can be answered in a way that is clear, transparent and open. way that is clear, transparent and 0 en. . way that is clear, transparent and oen. . , ., , open. dominic raab there. that is the latest from _ open. dominic raab there. that is the latest from downing _ open. dominic raab there. that is the latest from downing street. . we had the prime minister offering a part felt apology. he is very much under real pressure tonight. ben brown in downing street for sublessor turned out to the news that prince andrew has failed in his legal bid to get a usjudge that prince andrew has failed in his legal bid to get a us judge to dismiss an assault case burned against him by virginia —— brought against him by virginia giuffre. he has denied all the allegations she has made against him. earlier, we spoke to mark stevens, a lawyer with expertise in defamation, and reeta chakrabarti asked him whether he saw this coming. i asked him whether he saw this cominu. ~ ., , asked him whether he saw this cominu. ,, . , ., , , coming. i think many lawyers saw this coming. the _ coming. i think many lawyers saw this coming. the judge _ coming. i think many lawyers saw this coming. the judge has - coming. i think many lawyers saw| this coming. the judge has thrown coming. i think many lawyers saw i this coming. the judge has thrown a judicial decision, a recentjudicial decision, like a bomb in the heart of the royalfamily decision, like a bomb in the heart of the royal family and friends to provoke a constitutional crisis as a consequent. this is been a case limited in the pastor prince andrew, but as i thickly understand now, prince andrew options are being increasingly limited. he can appeal, he can settle, or he can go on with the case or allow the case to go on, and those are three pretty bad options for him. his appeal, it has got merit, but nobody is putting the chances of over a0%. the point they would take is thatjudge lewis kaplan has failed to interpret the settlement contract properly. but the judge has set this aggressive timetable for my expectation is that he will list the case to be heard in late november or very early december with a view to allowing prince andrew, both the time to figure for the trial, but also to conduct his appeal. but we are really, with prince andrew, in the last chance saloon with the towels over the tabs. the only thing that makes this worse is that prince andrew has to start giving evidence in this case. whether that is about his sweating or his trek to peter —— pizza express or, worse still, having to deal with the allegations of what he is supposed to have done with a 17—year—old woman, in those circumstances, i think that creates the constitutional problems for the wider royal family because i think he has to settled, and that is the big issue here, he does not really have many options, and that gives virginia giuffre many of the cards in this case, because if she knows he is desperate to settle, has to settle at all costs, of course the price goes up. settle at all costs, of course the price goes lip-— settle at all costs, of course the price goes up. you said a couple of times that — price goes up. you said a couple of times that there _ price goes up. you said a couple of times that there is _ price goes up. you said a couple of times that there is an _ times that there is an impending constitutional crisis. is that really the case? prince andrew has retired from royal life, he is effectively at the margins of the royal family. effectively at the margins of the royalfamily. the potential royal family. the potential embarrassment royalfamily. the potential embarrassment to the royal family would undoubtedly be there, but a constitutional crisis? i use would undoubtedly be there, but a constitutional crisis?— constitutional crisis? i use the word lately. — constitutional crisis? i use the word lately, but— constitutional crisis? i use the word lately, but i _ constitutional crisis? i use the word lately, but i don't- constitutional crisis? i use the word lately, but i don't shy i constitutional crisis? i use the i word lately, but i don't shy away from it in the sense that, up until now, this virginia giuffre issue, the allegations she has made, have been limited to prince andrew, but will we have seen since a court case a couple of weeks ago has been essentially calls for him to actually deal with the merits of the case, for him to be stripped of his title and there have been allegations about the queen paying his legal costs and also providing some measure of protection. this is the first time that prince andrew's problems have reached into r&r begin to touch the wider royal family. there will be crises meetings taking place, downing street will be being consulted, the pretty tell be called in —— the privy counsellors. and of course the most central advisers to the key members of the royal family will be coming into deal with this crisis, a crisis they have never seen before, but they have never seen before, but they know that this case has got to be settled, it is not to be dealt with now, it cannot be allowed to linger, because the only thing that is worse than having prince andrew in the situation he is and are ready is actually to have him start to deal with the allegations in public, whether that is on video, on depositions, which is the process in america, orwhether live depositions, which is the process in america, or whether live in court. either way, the detail of this case is going to be excruciating don't make excruciatingly appalling and i think that, of course, prince andrew has nowhere to go —— excruciatingly appalling. he's effectively a dead man walking as far as the real family is concerned, but the one thing he could do is accept the responsibility, except the blame, except that he has to fall on his sword for the sake of the wider royalfamily and it sword for the sake of the wider royal family and it is sword for the sake of the wider royalfamily and it is in sword for the sake of the wider royal family and it is in that context there is a crisis. we must remember _ context there is a crisis. we must remember in _ context there is a crisis. we must remember in all _ context there is a crisis. we must remember in all of _ context there is a crisis. we must remember in all of this _ context there is a crisis. we must remember in all of this that - context there is a crisis. we must| remember in all of this that prince andrew denies the allegations, he has always denied the allegations, yet you say that his tactic and the tactic of his lawyers has to be for him to avoid having to give evidence at this trial, to avoid that at all costs. i at this trial, to avoid that at all costs. ~ ., at this trial, to avoid that at all costs. ,, ., , at this trial, to avoid that at all costs. ,, . , ., costs. i think that is right, and i thinkthat _ costs. i think that is right, and i think that the _ costs. i think that is right, and i think that the problem - costs. i think that is right, and i think that the problem here - costs. i think that is right, and i. think that the problem here is that the risk is so high above course prince andrew is entirely... is a civil matter, not a criminal manner. we know the feds and the metropolitan police have decided not to prosecute the complaints made by virginia giuffre and he is in the same position as any other defendant, but we are talking about here is the realpolitik, the practical reality, and on the one hand, you've got prince andrew, facing these accusations, he has declined thus far, clearly on advice from his lawyers, to engage on the merits of that. he has taken every proper legal point that is open to him, and there are some merits in the legal point which he has [it upon here, namely that his claim was settled between virginia giuffre and jeffrey epstein in that contract, but it is not a slam dunk, there is and a lot of risk attached, and in those circumstances, the only thing he can really do is stop things getting worse, and whether he denies it or not, he is going have to buy this case off as a matter of realpolitik. he cannot allow this to descend into the detail of the sort of things that he is alleged to have done with a 17—year—old, and also, the potential for him done with a 17—year—old, and also, the potentialfor him being lampooned about his inability to sweats and going to pizza express, these things that have come out on social media to date, will come out and attacked his credit ability in a really fun mental way. mark stephens s-ueakin to really fun mental way. mark stephens speaking to reeta _ really fun mental way. mark stephens speaking to reeta chakrabarti. - really fun mental way. mark stephens speaking to reeta chakrabarti. sarah | speaking to reeta chakrabarti. sarah krissoff is a former prosecutor. irate krissoff is a former prosecutor. we no krissoff is a former prosecutor. we to into krissoff is a former prosecutor. - go into the discovery phase, where this information is exchanged, the documents and depositions, and after that, you have an opportunity for a summaryjudgment, for each party to say, there is no issues of material fact here, let's let the court resolve this, and then the court can say, there are no issues with material unlikely frankly in a case like this. ~ , ., unlikely frankly in a case like this. ~ ,, ._ unlikely frankly in a case like this. ,, , unlikely frankly in a case like this. ,, this. when you say issues of material _ this. when you say issues of material fact? _ this. when you say issues of material fact? if _ this. when you say issues of material fact? if you - this. when you say issues of material fact? if you have i this. when you say issues of material fact? if you have a | this. when you say issues of. material fact? if you have a civil case and there _ material fact? if you have a civil case and there is _ material fact? if you have a civil case and there is really - material fact? if you have a civil case and there is really no - material fact? if you have a civilj case and there is really no issue material fact? if you have a civil. case and there is really no issue in the factual story, then the judge can decide the case on summary judgment, meaning he orshe can decide the case on summary judgment, meaning he or she can apply the law to the facts that are not in dispute, in this case, i think they're going to beat facts in dispute. it is hard to imagine that there are no material facts dispute. it is hard to imagine that there are no materialfacts in dispute. but that is a stage in the case that the rules allow for, and that after the summaryjudgment that after the summary judgment phase, that after the summaryjudgment phase, then you move into a trial phase. in this case, thejudge has indicated he would set the entire schedule, looking forward to a trial in the last quarter of 2022, sometime tween september and december of 2022. find sometime tween september and december of 2022.— sometime tween september and december of 2022. and should the prince and his _ december of 2022. and should the prince and his lawyers _ december of 2022. and should the prince and his lawyers either - december of 2022. and should the prince and his lawyers either be i prince and his lawyers either be unwilling or unable for some sort of settlement before that, it is entirely possible that we could see prince andrew having to give evidence in a trial? absolutely. the case would- -- _ evidence in a trial? absolutely. the case would... the _ evidence in a trial? absolutely. the case would... the prince _ evidence in a trial? absolutely. the case would... the prince would i evidence in a trial? absolutely. the | case would... the prince would first have to provide information in a deposition and ultimately in a trail for top deposition, he would have a right to take the fifth amendment and to not say anything that would increment eight him criminally. —— can terminate him. that decision could hurt him in the civil case, so that is a decision he would have to make very carefully. frankly, his lawyers have to seriously be considering the options for resolving this prior to those phases of this litigation. i think that i can't imagine it is in prince andrew's interest for the details of this conduct to come out in the public domain. 50 this conduct to come out in the public domain.— this conduct to come out in the ublic domain. ,, ., . , this conduct to come out in the ublic domain. , ., ., . , . public domain. so you or have been a rosecutor public domain. so you or have been a prosecutor and _ public domain. so you or have been a prosecutor and defender? _ public domain. so you or have been a prosecutor and defender? i _ public domain. so you or have been a prosecutor and defender? i am i public domain. so you or have been a prosecutor and defender? i am now l public domain. so you or have been a prosecutor and defender? i am now a defence lawyer! _ prosecutor and defender? i am now a defence lawyer! i _ prosecutor and defender? i am now a defence lawyer! i recently _ prosecutor and defender? i am now a defence lawyer! i recently joined i defence lawyer! i recentlyjoined the law firm, i am not doing defence, so i am on the other side of it, but i did spend 1a years as a prosecutor. i would certainly advise a resolution here. i can tell from the court papers that miss act ii's leaders had reached out to prince andrew even before filing this case to try to reach a monetary resolution, and they were unable to do that, so from those papers, it indicates miss giuffre is interested indicates miss giuffre is interested in a resolution here and ultimately, evenif in a resolution here and ultimately, even if she won the case, the benefit to her is a monetary benefit, so i think it is in everyone's interest to explore that option, and i certainly would advise prince andrew of that if i was representing him.— prince andrew of that if i was representing him. sarah krissoff talkin: to representing him. sarah krissoff talking to rita _ representing him. sarah krissoff talking to rita l— representing him. sarah krissoff talking to rita l mack _ representing him. sarah krissoff talking to rita l mack -- - representing him. sarah krissoff talking to rita l mack -- talking| representing him. sarah krissoff. talking to rita l mack -- talking to talking to rita l mack —— talking to reeta. the nato... the first face—to—face talks with russia left issues unresolved. this trust has intervened, issuing a statement that warrant a further engagement in ukraine would be a sticking, with a severe cost to russia's economy, including court needed sanctions. she added... the uk are united, and we're pushing back against the kremlin's certain behaviour. russia wanted to hear rating ties could have dire consequences for european security. —— warned that. the introduction of a type of hard shoulder as a permanent lane of traffic is to be pause because of safety concerns. critics say they have contributed to road deaths. new projects will be put on hold, and for now, hard shoulders not be reinstated. would you prefer this in a hard running lane?— would you prefer this in a hard runnina lane? . , ., running lane? neither are brilliant choices, running lane? neither are brilliant choices. but _ running lane? neither are brilliant choices, but one _ running lane? neither are brilliant choices, but one is _ running lane? neither are brilliant choices, but one is better- running lane? neither are brilliant choices, but one is better than i running lane? neither are brilliant| choices, but one is better than the other. how do emergency services get through. the hard shoulder has been converted into a lane of traffic across england. for now, work won't be started on any more before further safety data has been collected. the bbc has had exclusive access to the control centre where traffic on southeast england's major routes is monitored. we saw what happened when a vehicle did stop in the live lane. radar technology eluded staff and a red x on was displayed above that lane to close it. it was then 20 minutes before traffic officers could get there to help. national highways told me safety improvements are already being made, including better signage and rolling out the radar system. irate better signage and rolling out the radar system-— better signage and rolling out the radar system. we know people are legitimately _ radar system. we know people are legitimately concerned _ radar system. we know people are legitimately concerned about i radar system. we know people are legitimately concerned about the l legitimately concerned about the safety of using smart motorways also we are convinced smart would airways are safe, but we know there is more to convince people. we have implemented these measures. $1150 implemented these measures. also announced today, _ implemented these measures. also announced today, funding for more emergency refuge areas and the regular will assess safety enhancements. critics say the government should go further and reinstate hard shoulders. claire says that is something she will keep fighting for. time for a look at the weather. it was not a bad day today. sunshine around. for the next few days, certainly for the foreseeable future, high pressure, we will see a lot of dry and settled weather, but frost and fog is going to become a problem over the next few days, especially across england and wales. the fog patches will certainly develop through the overnight period, more extensive than we had the last couple of nights, and it will be cold where skies are clear as well. generally a cold, frosty night across the south. in the north, more of a breeze, more of a cloud. temperatures less cold here, maybe three to 7 degrees for stornoway. 0ur area of high pressure is with us for thursday. you can see more isobars across the north of the country, so here it will remain breezy. across the north of the country, so but across the north of the country, so barely any wind that fog to start with, could be really quite dense in places, could cause issues to travel, and some of it may even linger on throughout the whole day. should clear for many. we should see some sunshine here. another fine day for many places that see that sunshine. some sunshine for parts of northern ireland, cloudier, breezy conditions for the northwest of scotland. temperatures, double figure values in the north, around six to 8 degrees in the south, but where the fog lingers, struggling to get much above freezing. we can see those temperatures around the seasonal norm as we head on into friday, keeping the very cold weather out at bay, all thanks to this area of high pressure which is pretty much sitting across england and wales. again, with light winds, we're going to start with that mist and fog for friday morning, some of it really quite dense and quite extensive once again. a bit more cloud for scotland and northern ireland, but where the fog lifts for england and wales, we should see some sunshine breaking through and temperatures again five to 8 degrees. colder where the fog lingers, 10 degrees for the far northwest of scotland. fog may become a problem over the next few days, could be dense and stubborn to clear. may cause some disruption to travel. and then into the weekend, largely fine and settled thanks to the high pressure. chance of a few showers. most places will stay dry. hello, i'm ros atkins. welcome to outside source. prince andrew faces a civil trial in the united states over accusations of sexual assault after a judge refuses to dismiss the case. virginia giuffre is suing the duke of york, claiming he abused her when she was 17, which he strenuously denies. prime minister boris johnson prime minister borisjohnson admits he didn't it a gathering at the height of lockdown in may —— attended. i height of lockdown in may -- attended-— the way the event i described was handled. i wish we could've done things differently, and i have and will continue to

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