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lets's bring you some news just in from here in the uk. and the prime minister borisjohnson has offered a �*humble and sincere apology�* over his failure to disclose key messages — relating to the refurbishment of his flat at number 10 downing street. it comes as the uk�*s top adviser on ministerial standards — lord geidt — cleared the prime minister of breaking the ministerial code, after re—examining evidence. our political correspondent ben wright is in westminster. the text messages that have been revealed are interesting. the? revealed are interesting. they certainly are. _ revealed are interesting. they certainly are. they _ revealed are interesting. they certainly are. they date - revealed are interesting. they certainly are. they date back. revealed are interesting. tie: certainly are. they date back to november 2020. an exchange of messages between borisjohnson and lord brownlow, a tory pier and donor to the conservative party. the message that we have seen today that has been published in the report was not available to lord geidt when it was investigated in the spring. it was investigated in the spring. it was seen by the electoral commission and lord geidt has been digging back through this and wondering why he has not been given this information. i will read you what borisjohnson sent to lord brownlow, hi, david, i am afraid parts of our flat are a bit of a tip. can i ask the decorator to get in touch with you. the interior designer and did the work on the downing street flat refurbishment. lord geidt it is very angry about why he was not sure that message. it turns out it was on an old phone that borisjohnson had and they did not think it was worth going back through the old messages and providing it to him when he examined this. the adviser on standards is livid, really. he is livid that officials that this was not pertinent to the investigation. lord geidt says that if he had seen those messages he would not have said that borisjohnson had stuck by the ministerial code. the said that boris johnson had stuck by the ministerial code.— the ministerial code. the labour party thinks _ the ministerial code. the labour party thinks they _ the ministerial code. the labour party thinks they have _ the ministerial code. the labour party thinks they have broken i the ministerial code. the labourl party thinks they have broken the code that is not the official finding. code that is not the official findina. ., ,., code that is not the official findin. ., ,., _ code that is not the official findin.. . . i” finding. labour say that if you look at the principles _ finding. labour say that if you look at the principles of _ finding. labour say that if you look at the principles of standards - finding. labour say that if you look at the principles of standards in i at the principles of standards in public life the do not think this exchange can be anything but a deviation from honesty in public life. they say he did break the ministerial code. the fundamental conclusion he came to that he does not think borisjohnson did not break the ministerial code and he didn�*t know how it was being paid for, thosejudgments he made at the end of last year still stand. as you say, he also suggests in paragraph three of his letter to the prime minister that he might not be as unqualified in hisjudgment of minister that he might not be as unqualified in his judgment of the prime minister as he was last spring. is prime minister as he was last s-urin. , , ., ., prime minister as he was last s-urin. , , ., , ., , spring. is this going to cause any olitical spring. is this going to cause any political damage, _ spring. is this going to cause any political damage, do _ spring. is this going to cause any political damage, do you - spring. is this going to cause any political damage, do you think, | spring. is this going to cause anyl political damage, do you think, or is it all complicated and the damage is it all complicated and the damage is already done, you know, from this, if there was any.— is already done, you know, from this, if there was any. look, it is certainly complicated. _ this, if there was any. look, it is certainly complicated. the - certainly complicated. the conservative party back in december was a almost £80,000 by the electoral commission for breaching electoral law by not declaring lord brownlow political donation, as we should have done. i am not sure there is much more to come out about exactly how this refurbishment of the private quarters up at the top of number 11 downing st was paid for. we know it cost in excess of £400,000 and we know there was great effort to set up some trust. —— in excess of £100,000. the prime minister ended up paying out of his own pocket for all of this. what is interesting is lord geidt appointed interesting is lord geidt appointed in april last year is clearly very angry about how his office had been treated during the last few months and why he wasn�*t kept informed about the electoral commission plasma investigation and the emergence of this message. he clearly wants more respect and more powers to be taken more seriously. i think this is something of a warning shot that if he is going to stay on board and remain the prime minister pass my independent adviser on interests he needs to be taken seriously. he interests he needs to be taken seriousl . interests he needs to be taken seriously-— interests he needs to be taken seriousl . . , ., , seriously. he has the title of being independent- _ seriously. he has the title of being independent. there _ seriously. he has the title of being independent. there is _ seriously. he has the title of being independent. there is speculationl seriously. he has the title of being i independent. there is speculation he might step down when all of this first emerged. who appoints him and how does this decision actually come to pass in the end about whether the prime minister has broken a ministerial code, a very serious allegation in the uk. it is ministerial code, a very serious allegation in the uk.— allegation in the uk. it is the prime minister _ allegation in the uk. it is the prime minister who - allegation in the uk. it is the prime minister who appoints| allegation in the uk. it is the - prime minister who appoints this adviser and the previous one resigned because he felt his advice had not been listened to. and we know that there was a discussion between lord geidt and the prime minister when he accepted this role. it was thought at the time he may have asked the prime minister for the power to independently go and investigate what he thought may have been breaches of the ministerial code. it does not have that power. we still relies on the prime minister inviting him to go and look at these questions around standards, which many such as the committee on standards in public life think this offers holder should have. there is obviously now a discussion under way between lord geidt and number ten about how this process ensuring ethics in public life can be beefed up ethics in public life can be beefed up and ensure incidents like this did not happen in the future. thank ou ve did not happen in the future. thank you very much- _ as we�*ve been hearing, president biden has repeatedly condemned his predecessor, donald trump, during a speech to mark the first anniversary of the storming of congress by mr trump�*s supporters. in a televised address inside the capitol building, mr biden blamed the former president�*s refusal to accept his election defeat for sparking an armed insurrection. let�*s head straight to laura trevelyan, who�*s on capitol hill. that is right. you heard president biden accusing his predecessor of spreading a web of lies about the 2020 election. i was there on january the 6th on the capital and i heard the rioters shouting stop the steel, the election had been stolen, they thought, although no evidence to support that. bbc reporter first reported on the rise of the group and she has now been back here to see what has changed on those caught up see what has changed on those caught up in a conspiracy theory. it�*s a powerful conspiracy theory that spread paranoia and distrust and contributed so much to this infamous day. but are people still held in qanon�*s grip? the pandemic wasn�*t real and the race war isn�*t real. reporting on qanon back in 2020, i first met nick nittoli on the internet. this time, i had a chance to meet him face—to—face. when everything unfolded onjanuary 6th, what were you thinking? get us off national television. what are we doing? is that the capitol? is that a shaman? things have changed, though, a bit. yeah, they definitely have. i don�*t want to believe in some of these nefarious, terrible things. the information that i�*ve researched has led me there. so, when the information that i research has not let me to there, and president trump is not the president and joe biden�*s our president, then yeah, i�*m going to be a realist and say this isn�*t what i thought would happen. a lot of people were supposed to get arrested — that didn�*t happen. believers claim that a cabal of satan—worshiping elites who run a child sex ring are trying to control politics and the media. donald trump, they say, is fighting the cabal. a poll by ipsos mori, seen exclusively by the bbc, found that 7% of americans believe that this is true — that�*s down from 17% a year ago. but one in three americans still say they don�*t know if it�*s true or false. nick says he�*s having doubts, but i spoke to many others who still believe. sacrifices, children and babies being sacrificed. the dark entities that - were with our governments. a grandmother of 13, a copywriter, and a dog groomer. rachel bernstein has been treating families torn apart by the conspiracy. while i�*m noticing that there are fewer new members, which is a really good thing, still, the cases i get — they�*re very difficult. there�*s still so much hostility and aggression. it is just as toxic for certain people that it exists in their system like a poison. as we spend time together, nick and i sat down to watch some videos from a qanon conference in las vegas. oh, my god, jim caviezel was there?! watching a hollywood actor speak about the conspiracy theory energised nick. the fact that he�*s talking about this stuff is just actually amazing, because ofjust who he is, because he�*s a huge hollywood actor. i'm with my countrymen, here in defiance of tyranny. "defiance of tyranny." that�*s what this is about. here was a glimpse into just how easily he and millions of others could potentially get pulled back into all this. dammit, i wish i was there for that! and i�*ll be honest with you right now, in this moment, stephanie, i do believe, wholeheartedly. stephanie hegarty, bbc news. so that is just how influential the conspiracy theory qanon was in spreading the idea that the election had been stolen from president trump. joining me is a congressmen brendan boyle from pennsylvania he was inside this building went the rioters stormed the building one year ago. thank you for being with us and for bearing with us through the technical difficulties earlier. when you hear some of your republican colleagues describing the rioters as patriots and political prisoners, how does that chime with what you saw that day? fin a prisoners, how does that chime with what you saw that day?— what you saw that day? on a basic cut level what you saw that day? on a basic gut level it — what you saw that day? on a basic gut level it is _ what you saw that day? on a basic gut level it is disgusting _ what you saw that day? on a basic gut level it is disgusting that - gut level it is disgusting that anyone — gut level it is disgusting that anyone would glorify what happened on the _ anyone would glorify what happened on the 6th ofjanuary. it is hard to understand — on the 6th ofjanuary. it is hard to understand how a group of fellow americans, human beings, can get so warped _ americans, human beings, can get so warped that_ americans, human beings, can get so warped that they believe this complete nonsense and craziness. it is candidly— complete nonsense and craziness. it is candidlyjust a very difficult to understand, even listening to your piece. _ understand, even listening to your piece. how— understand, even listening to your piece, how people can't believe —— can believe — piece, how people can't believe —— can believe qanon, which is false. the armour— can believe qanon, which is false. the armour people who believe them through— the armour people who believe them through media. the armour people who believe them through media-— through media. president biden tried to demolish various _ through media. president biden tried to demolish various myths _ through media. president biden tried to demolish various myths of- through media. president biden tried to demolish various myths of the - to demolish various myths of the election today and he accused donald trump of spreading lies about that election. do you think that is going to be effective in this partisan, divided climate in america? i am divided climate in america? i am lad that divided climate in america? i am glad that president _ divided climate in america? i am glad that president biden did that. it is something he, i and others it is something he, land others need _ it is something he, land others need to— it is something he, land others need to do— it is something he, land others need to do and repeat constantly. the reality— need to do and repeat constantly. the reality is president biden got 7 million _ the reality is president biden got 7 million more votes than donald trurnu — million more votes than donald trurnu he _ million more votes than donald trump. he won both the popular vote and crucially— trump. he won both the popular vote and crucially in the electoral college _ and crucially in the electoral college. in my very contested state of pennsylvania, which i would point out the _ of pennsylvania, which i would point out the republicans challenged even after the _ out the republicans challenged even after the insurrection took place, the only— after the insurrection took place, the only state be challenged. i gave a speech— the only state be challenged. i gave a speech on the house floor that night _ a speech on the house floor that night a _ a speech on the house floor that night a little past midnight having to defend the legally cast the votes from pennsylvania. the reality is we have to _ from pennsylvania. the reality is we have to continue to speak up and tell the _ have to continue to speak up and tell the truth. it is not helpful, to say— tell the truth. it is not helpful, to say the _ tell the truth. it is not helpful, to say the least, that there are elected — to say the least, that there are elected republican officials who note that this is a big lie, who know— note that this is a big lie, who know that _ note that this is a big lie, who know that this is garbage, but frankly— know that this is garbage, but frankly they are just unwilling to stand _ frankly they are just unwilling to stand up— frankly they are just unwilling to stand up to donald trump because they believe, probably rightly, that they believe, probably rightly, that they will— they believe, probably rightly, that they will pay some political price within— they will pay some political price within the republican party if they simply— within the republican party if they simply tell the truth. are democrats really shooting _ simply tell the truth. are democrats really shooting themselves - simply tell the truth. are democrats really shooting themselves in - simply tell the truth. are democrats really shooting themselves in the i really shooting themselves in the foot by not moving forward with voting rights legislation? the vice president talked about the need to do that today. even if you didn�*t move forward with it, would it address what republicans are doing at the state level, changing the composition of electrical boards so those loyal to president trump are on them. in those loyal to president trump are on them. ., , ., on them. in the house of representatives - on them. in the house of representatives where i l on them. in the house of i representatives where i serve, on them. in the house of - representatives where i serve, we have passed two important pieces of voting _ have passed two important pieces of voting rights legislation. they are in the _ voting rights legislation. they are in the senate right now. i believe we will— in the senate right now. i believe we will pay— in the senate right now. i believe we will pay a price, we as americans if the _ we will pay a price, we as americans if the senate — we will pay a price, we as americans if the senate does not modernise its rules regarding the filibuster and pass those critical pieces of voting rights _ pass those critical pieces of voting rights legislation. in one of the hills, _ rights legislation. in one of the hills, an — rights legislation. in one of the bills, an important measure that would _ bills, an important measure that would knock out what a number of these _ would knock out what a number of these republican controlled state legislators have done ever since last january. it would not solve all of the _ last january. it would not solve all of the problem but it would go a lon- of the problem but it would go a long way— of the problem but it would go a long way to doing that. short answer is, yes, _ long way to doing that. short answer is, yes, the — long way to doing that. short answer is, yes, the senate needs to act on the bills— is, yes, the senate needs to act on the hills and — is, yes, the senate needs to act on the bills and if we don't, we will all pay— the bills and if we don't, we will all pay the — the bills and if we don't, we will all pay the price.— the bills and if we don't, we will all pay the price. thank you so much for “oininr all pay the price. thank you so much forjoining us- _ all pay the price. thank you so much forjoining us. there _ all pay the price. thank you so much forjoining us. there you _ all pay the price. thank you so much forjoining us. there you have i all pay the price. thank you so much forjoining us. there you have it, i forjoining us. there you have it, this is what democrats are hoping to try and do to move forward on voting rights. it has gone through the house but it is pretty much mired in the senate, where democrats, it is exactly split, with the vice president having the deciding vote. very, very fraught times for president biden. can he get this voting rights agenda three? he is saying there is a dagger at the foot of american democracy. he is seeing the stakes could not be higher. can he take his divided party with him? thank you very much again. thank you. in kazakhstan, security forces say they�*ve have killed dozens of anti—goverment rioters in the main city of almaty. at least 12 pro—government forces have also died in the protests, which were sparked by rising fuel prices. now russia is sending in troops, following a request from the kazakh president. 0ur diplomatic correspondent paul adams reports. live fire on the streets of almaty this morning. kazakhstan�*s army deployed to quell protests, now in their fifth day. what they are shooting at is not clear. with the internet down and very little independent media, it is hard to know what is going on in kazakhstan�*s largest city. the government calls this an anti—terrorist operation. it says dozens of people were killed overnight as they attempted to storm the city�*s police headquarters. again, such claims are impossible to verify. is this, as the president has said, an uprising inspired and organised abroad? or an expression of long—standing, deep—seated frustrations? for some people, it is mostly economic. it is about demanding a better life, betterjobs, better earning, and some economic certainty for the future. whereas for others, it is about opening up the political system. last night, president tokayev held a meeting of his security council and appealed for help from a military alliance dominated by russia. translation: given that these terrorist gangs are international and have received extensive training abroad, their attack on kazakhstan can and should be considered an act of aggression. russia says it is already responding. these pictures, released by the defence ministry in moscow, said to show men and equipment setting off for kazakhstan. and a convoy of armoured vehicles also on the move. what are they actually heading into and what will they do when they get there? paul adams, bbc news. lawyers for the convicted sex offender ghislaine maxwell have called for a retrial after a juror said he used his own experience of sexual abuse to persuade otherjurors. us prosecutors have requested an inquiry. last week, maxwell was found guilty of grooming underage girls to be abused byjeffrey epstein. english farmers and landowners could be paid to create nature reserves or restore flood plains in a bid to rewild the environment, under plans being set out by the government. the subsidies will focus on environmental benefits, rather than the amount of land owned. 0ur environment and rural affairs correspondent claire marshall has more. the rules that shaped this landscape are radically changing. when the uk was part of the eu, farmers were given grants based on how much land they farmed. post—brexit the government has pledged to pay based on how farmers care for the environment. a broad scheme to support sustainable farming has already been announced. today more details are being revealed. individualfarmers would be rewarded under the local nature recovery scheme for planting trees for creating breeding sites for birds. then the landscape recovery scheme would pay for la rge—scale land change. if we are to deliver the targets we have set ourselves forward and creation, in england around 10,000 for woodland creation, in england around 10,000 hectares of trees per year, and if we are to deliver our objective of getting 300,000 hectares of land where habitat is restored, there is inevitably going to be a degree of land use change and i know that causes some people some concern. it is a lot of taxpayers cash. by 2028 the government will be spending £2.4 billion a year in farming subsidies. critics say there simply isn�*t enough detail, a golden opportunity may be lost. this is the most fundamental change in decades. many farmers i speak to are worried, what about our prime job, they say which is to produce food? they worry prices may have to go up. we welcome the increase in payment levels that will truly reward farmers for taking part in countryside stewardship and delivering for the environment and that is something we really do welcome, but we do need more detail to know how this fits alongside sustainable food production, how it will work for the tenanted sector and how it will underpin domestic food supply. agriculture is devolved. this is the direction england is taken. it is largely up to the nation is whether to follow or not. it is a balancing act between the needs of humans and the needs of nature. claire marshall, bbc news. having successfully completed the unfolding of its sun shield, the james webb space telescope is now manoeuvring its primary mirror into position. at 6.5m wide, it�*s a massive bit of kit and crucial to the telescope working for years to come. 0ur science editor rebecca morelle explains. travelling through space and getting ready for its mission to begin, the james webb space telescope successfully launched nearly two weeks ago. it�*s a successor to hubble and will revolutionise our view of the universe. webb has the potential to blow people away, even people who are used to hubble. and i know that�*s hard to imagine, but the instruments are so powerful, the telescope is so powerful, almost anywhere we look, we�*re going to be breaking new ground in a huge way. the telescope is so big, to get into space, it had to be folded up like origami. it�*s been busy unfurling. first, its sun shield, which of the size of a tennis court. but now, a vital stage of the process is beginning. the mirror is the most important part of the telescope. its two folded sides open up and lock into place. a 6.5m wide, it�*s so big, it consists of 18 separate hexagonal segments. they�*re made from beryllium, a stiff and lightweight metal that can withstand the extreme temperatures of space. the whole thing is covered in gold so thin that the entire coating weighsjust 50g, the weight of a golf ball. the telescope will be hunting for most distant and galaxies but to do this, it doesn�*t use visible light, like the hubble space telescope, it uses a kind of light we can�*t see, infrared light. this is an image of the pillars of creation, taken by hubble. it�*s place where stars are born. but because james webb uses infrared light, it will be able to see through this dust, showing us the multitude of stars that lie beyond. but all of this rests on getting the mirror fully opened and then aligned. for the last 20 years, the bbc sound of list has been predicting music�*s biggest new names. previous winners include adele and sam smith. the latest winner is pinkpantheress, a 20—year—old who only started making music in her bedroom last year. mark savage reports. # i found the street in the house in which you stayed # a familiar sound with a modern twist. pinkpantheress�*s music has been described as the new nostalgia. # when you wipe your tears, do you wipe them just for me # aged 20, she only started uploading songs to tiktok a year ago, initially keeping her identity a secret. i personally find it easier to kind if not lay every single card you have on the table. i think it�*s quite nice sometimes too, like, have privacy and i kinda felt like if i had my music out as well as my face everywhere, it would just start getting too much for people. helped by that air of mystery, her music took off in a big way. by last summer, she had two top a0 hits and coldplay had covered one of her songs. # do you wipe them just for me, me, me, me, me # now she has been named the winner of the bbc�*s sound of 2022. here�*s the moment she was told the news by radio 1�*s jack saunders. what if i told you that you are the winner of radio 1's sound of 2022, how would you feel then? i mean, i�*d be very happy. well, you're the winner of radio 1's sound of 2022, pinkpantheress, congratulations! what the hell? that�*s a shock! thanks very much. it was this gig by paramore at the reading festival in 2014 by the time she made her own stage debut in october, pinkpantheress already had a passionate fan base of her own. the reason i�*m smiling is because i�*m remembering the people that were in the front row and how funny they were. but i actually did always want to go in quite deep with them from the very get go. i know it sounds really patronising but i have genuinely been there. i was like the biggest fan girl. # when you wipe your tears, do you wipe them just for me # the bbc sound of list has previously tipped the likes of adele, stormzy and dua lipa for success. pinkpantheress joins their ranks now with big things predicted for 2022. you�*re watching bbc news. right, let�*s get the latest weather with helen willetts. hello. wintry scenes today with the snow over the hills, and the cold stays though today and into tomorrow. this is the big driving area of low pressure, tightly packed isobars going with these weather systems meaning strong winds as well. a lot of it is rain at lower levels but it�*s the snow over the hills that we�*re seeing and with it, lots of showers following in for the rest of the day. some sunshine intersperesed for the west and ahead of this system, a pretty blustery wind blowing, it is accentuating the chill. it was a really cold start as well for many. so, temperatures haven�*t risen that much and are more likely to be around two celsius, particularly in the north, but further west with the added sunshine, a little higher. through tonight, the front moves to the east and behind it, the cold air returns and more snow showers to come. and with temperatures falling close to freezing, not as cold as last night but low enough for ice to form. later in the night, we�*re watching the activity to the west because we could have another little band of rain and hill snow, so rather hazardous conditions on the roads in the next 24 hours. there are warnings on our website. let�*s watch tomorrow, the tightly packed isobars still with us but particularly in the south with that weather system, again with the cold air. so, scattered snow showers in the north, potentially at lower levels and blowing on that wind, and that rain is likely to turn to snow across the hills of south wales in southern england, blown in by strong winds as well. that will accentuate the chill. further north, sunny spells but a scattering of heavy showers, thunder in among those as well. turning our attention towards the weekend, the next atlantic low pressure coming in, westerly winds dominating, those winds meaning a change to milder conditions, wet, windy conditions sweeping eastwards with plenty of showers following behind as well. sunday looks quieter but at the moment, really quite wet for some on saturday, at least for three or four hours before that system clears out. a ridge of high pressure on sunday bring a quieter spell of weather but again, wetter and windier to start next week. this is bbc news broadcasting to viewers in the uk and around the world. i�*m geeta guru—murthy. our top stories... 0n the anniversary of the attack on the us capitol, president biden has condemned has predecessor donald trump for threatening democracy. the former president of the united states of america has created and spread a web of lies about the 2020 election. he has done so because he values power over principle. i�*m laura trevelyan on capitol hill — where president biden has warned americans there�*s a dagger at the throat of their democracy and the right to vote must be defended. a court hearing on whether novak djokovic is medically exempt from australia�*s covid entry requirements is adjourned until monday. former world number one rafael nadal responds.

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