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be doing whatever we can to stop that and not accept any level of death, really.— now it's time for a look at the weather. carol isjoining us live! what carol is joining us live! what a treat. good morning. it's been a cold start to the day. a widespread frost and sunshine. the weather front coming in from the west is bringing rain and as it bumps into the cold air it's also bringing some snow. especially across scotland and northern england heading towards the northern england heading towards the north midlands. some of that will be at lower levels especially in scotland and northern england and these black circles represent the strength of the winds. we could be looking at some blizzards and drifting in scotland and northern england. behind the weather front, we've got less cold air and then another weather front coming in bringing some showers, some could be heavy and thundery. this is a cold front so later on the air will turn colder once again. these are our temperatures as we go through the course of the afternoon. overnight further wintry showers coming in, another cold night, not as cold as last night but you can still expect some frost. hello, this is bbc news. the headlines: novak djokovic will have to wait until monday to find out whether he'll avoid deportation from australia after a vaccine exemption backlash. on the issue of mr djokovic, rules are rules — and there are no special cases. a new report says plans to tackle record nhs waiting lists in england could be derailed by demands for emergency care for emergency care and a lack of staff. covid testing rules for international arrivals to england are being eased from tomorrow — the transport secretary says it's time to change them. having introduced these temporary measures but now seeing that omicron is everywhere, omicron testing has really outlived its usefulness and therefore, we don't keep things in place when there's no longer any point to having them there. presidentjoe biden will blame donald trump for the us capitol riot as he marks the one year anniversary of the attack in a speech later. sport now, and for a full round up, from the bbc sport centre, here's mike. good morning. we start with the 4th ashes test, where england's opening batsmen survived a nervy final few overs before the end of the second day of the 4th ashes test, but it's australia who remain in control after making over 400 runs before declaring. joe wilson reports. technique is everything. there, balanced. steve smith has his way. he batted with assurance through the sydney morning. england didn't stop him. the weather sometimes date. when rain showers interrupted, the ground staff raced to cover the pitch. who would get there first? ooh, replay suggested foul play. competitive. the cricket lost its edge. the chance to catch osman khawaja and 28 dropped, costly. what next? ben stokes urged to bowl aggressively at himself in the process and australia just kept batting. process and australia 'ust kept battina. �* . , process and australia 'ust kept i batting-i steve batting. beautifully played. steve smith seemed _ batting. beautifully played. steve smith seemed to _ batting. beautifully played. steve smith seemed to be _ batting. beautifully played. steve smith seemed to be immovable l batting. beautifully played. steve - smith seemed to be immovable when suddenly, on 67... that smith seemed to be immovable when suddenly, on 67...— suddenly, on 67. .. that is beautifully _ suddenly, on 67. .. that is beautifully bold! - suddenly, on 67. .. that is beautifully bold! he - suddenly, on 67. .. that is beautifully bold! he was l suddenly, on 67. .. that is i beautifully bold! he was out. finall , beautifully bold! he was out. finally, something _ beautifully bold! he was out. finally, something for - beautifully bold! he was out. finally, something for stuart j beautifully bold! he was out. - finally, something for stuart broad and england. and guess what, another. cameron green caught by zak crawley. but usman khawaja was going nowhere except a 100. this was an opportunity seized for khawaja, for australia. a16 the total, and after chasing that bore for nearly two days, england then had to bat for a few minutes. zak crawley out for zero. oh, no, mitchell starc overstepped the line, noble. the start of the women's ashes has been brought forward by a week to january the 20th, to allow both sides time to complete a 10—day quarantine period in new zealand ahead of the women's world cup, which starts at the beginning of march. staying down under, and the sporting world is awaiting the outcome of a legal challenge which will decide if the defending champion novak djokovic can stay in melbourne and compete in the australian open, which starts a week on monday. he was hoping to win a record 21st grand slam, but at the moment he's in a detention hotel, after his visa was revoked, despite him having a vaccine exemption certificate. as things stand, he won't be able to stay and the legal challenge to this will roll on over the weekend. well australian star, ash barty, is the world number one in the women's game. she stopped touring during the pandemic, because of the travel restrictions, and she says she can understand why australians, have been so angered by what's going on. it's a tough one. we have seen in the last day that for the australian public, it has been hard for everyone but in particular, victorians have had a real rough trot over the last 18 months and two years. ultimately, i have no interest in speaking about novak�*s medical history. it's not my decision. now in london last night, something fans perhaps didn't expect to see, just a few days ago. a certain romelu lukaku, back in the chelsea starting line up after his apology, for suggesting he wanted to return to milan, and although he didn't score, he helped the side take a two goal advantage into the second leg of their league cup semi—final against tottenham. spurs really didn't help themselves on their manager antonio conte's return to his former club. first they gave the ball away at the back to let kai havertz in for the opener. and the second was a comedy own goal, as japhet tanganga headed the ball into team—mate ben davies' shoulder and it flew into the net. nothing ben davies could do about it. that's all the sport for now. the rac has accused petrol retailers of ripping off motorists by refusing to pass on wholesale price cuts. they say drivers were overcharged by around £5 million a day in december, while retailers made an average of 16p a litre on petrol instead of the normal six pence. joining me now is nick lyes, head of roads policy & public affairs manager at the rac. what would you say would be the fair price of a regular litre of unleaded right now, versus what it actually is? , . , ., ., is? so during december, the average rice of is? so during december, the average price of unleaded _ is? so during december, the average price of unleaded was _ is? so during december, the average price of unleaded was about - is? so during december, the average price of unleaded was about 1.40 - is? so during december, the average price of unleaded was about 1.40 5p. price of unleaded was about 1.a0 5p per litre. we estimate that was about 10p per litre more expensive thanit about 10p per litre more expensive than it need to be. and in effect, that means that drivers were lit up a 55 litre family sized car with petrol, they were paying about £6 more than they needed to. so over the course of the month, that meant that drivers were paying about £5 million a day more than they needed to be. so what we have seen is the price come down slightly during december, but there was scope for much larger cuts than that. so what are our much larger cuts than that. so what are your thoughts _ much larger cuts than that. so what are your thoughts on _ much larger cuts than that. so what are your thoughts on what - much larger cuts than that. so what are your thoughts on what should i much larger cuts than that. so what | are your thoughts on what should be done about it, if anything?— done about it, if anything? firstly, we would urge _ done about it, if anything? firstly, we would urge retailers _ done about it, if anything? firstly, we would urge retailers to - done about it, if anything? firstly, we would urge retailers to play - we would urge retailers to play fair. we understand that the cost pressures for retailers, especially small petrol retailers, have been high. but we would like to see the wholesale cost reflected more fairly at the pumps. it is only fair to drivers that that is the case. nobody should be paying more than they need to be. and we are saying to the government to look into this. we urge the government to urge the retailers to bring the price down. we need greater transparency at the pumps and we would like to see that happen. if the government wants to get involved in that, that can only be a good thing. you get involved in that, that can only be a good thing-— get involved in that, that can only be a good thing. you used the word urue a be a good thing. you used the word urge a number— be a good thing. you used the word urge a number of— be a good thing. you used the word urge a number of times. _ be a good thing. you used the word urge a number of times. that - be a good thing. you used the word i urge a number of times. that doesn't imply any compulsion. do you think urging is enough?— urging is enough? well, at the moment. _ urging is enough? well, at the moment. we _ urging is enough? well, at the moment, we continue - urging is enough? well, at the moment, we continue to - urging is enough? well, at the moment, we continue to urge| moment, we continue to urge retailers to do that. the rac has a monthly fuel watch. we monitor prices closely. if there isn't a shift, that perhaps the government does need to step in, start looking at whether or not the pricing within the market is fair. we need more transparency within the market because drivers are probably unaware of how much everything costs and how much they pay at the pumps. it would be nice to see more transparency, but for now, we are urging retailers to do the right thing. the problem we have is that whilst wholesale costs fell in late november and december, they have started to rise again. so the period now for those cuts to be implemented at the pumps is fast dwindling because the wholesale prices are starting to go up wholesale prices are starting to go up again. so i am not sure we're to see muchjoy for drivers up again. so i am not sure we're to see much joy for drivers at the pumps. see much 'oy for drivers at the um s. ~ ., see much 'oy for drivers at the um s, . ., , ., see much 'oy for drivers at the --ums.~ . , ., ., , pumps. what if petrol retailers decide to put _ pumps. what if petrol retailers decide to put prices _ pumps. what if petrol retailers decide to put prices up - pumps. what if petrol retailers decide to put prices up further| pumps. what if petrol retailers i decide to put prices up further in response to wholesale prices going up, or would you expect them to leave them where they are, bearing in mind that there has been the gap? well, we are watching closely. so the next move is up to the retailers. they have to start making the right decision, in our view. ultimately, if prices do start to creep up again, that will give ground to the idea of feather and rocket. prices go up like a rocket and come down like a feather. a lot of people suspect that has been going on. when you look at the margins, the average margin of the long term period for retailers is about 6p per litre. what we saw in december was margins of about 16p per litre, so that is more than double and it doesn't give drivers muchjoy when double and it doesn't give drivers much joy when they are filling up their cars and having to deal with other rising costs and spiralling inflation. ., ~ other rising costs and spiralling inflation. ., ,, , ., the retailer, next, has reported strong christmas sales. it says sales for the eight weeks to december 25th were up 20% compared with the same period two years ago. the performance was 70 million ahead of what it had forecast. but the retailer is warning that forecasting for the year is unusually difficult because of several economic uncertainties, including the impact of inflation on consumers. presidentjoe biden will blame donald trump for the us capitol riot as he marks the one—year anniversary of the attack in a speech later. five people died after supporters of donald trump stormed the building as politicians were meeting to confirm mr biden's presidental election victory. barbara plett usher reports. the day that the country's political turmoil exploded into violence. it was the worst attack on the capitol in two centuries, playing out for hours on live television. americans watched in horror as armed supporters of the president beat police officers... and stormed through the country's citadel of democracy, threatening lawmakers. this was the climax of donald trump's desperate campaign to overturn his election loss. we fight like hell, and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country any more. the rioters believed they were following his orders. a year ago, i was here, walking with trump supporters to the capitol, finding out with them in real time what was going on. it felt momentous, it felt like history breaking cover. it felt like a turning point. but was it? what impact has it actually had? hearye, hearye, hearye. there was the theatre of an impeachment trial. it is civil process. and hundreds of criminal prosecutions by the department ofjustice. also, an ongoing political investigation by a congressional commission. but after a fleeting moment of criticism, most republican politicians closed ranks behind trump. his allies continue to propagate the lie that the election was stolen. the vast majority of republican voters now believe it. and americans looking back at that day see different realities along bitterly partisan lines. the congressional commission is determined to write the definitive draft of this turbulent history but so far, trump has not been held accountable and he appears to be preparing a 202a comeback. usually, after a year, you would be like, all right, what's changed? nothing. nothing has really changed. nothing? no, as far as accountability, as far as justice, as far as a deterrent from this happening again, nothing has changed. one year later, many americans believe the capitol attack was not an isolated incident. they fear that further political violence lies ahead. this is a nation still at war with itself. barbara plett usher, bbc news, washington. this us attorney general has promised to hold all those involved to account. among the shocking images of the insurrection were those of angry rioters beating police officers with "blue lives matter" flags. one of those officers, harry dunn, has emerged as one of the most outspoken law enforcement officials in the wake of the attack — and as a passionate advocate for access to mental health support. laura trevelyan spoke to him about what he encountered that day. what was the most frightening and shocking thing that you personally experienced onjanuary 6th? when i first saw the size of the crowd, i was on the east side of the capitol. iran around to the west side where you can see the actual mall. and the size of the crowd at the mall and the intent that they had, they looked like possessed zombies. so when i got my first glimpse of the crowd, i had to overlook and i had my rifle pointed out at the crowd. and at that moment, i said, "i'm going to get shot". you see i'm a big guy. i'm six foot seven, and i'm there with this rifle, and i look like an easy target. you experienced terrible racism that day too, didn't you? what happened ? i don't want to make january 6th completely about race. however, to deny that racism wasn't present that day is a complete lie. i got called the n—word. what i learned when i came forward telling my story about what happened to me is that several other officers were able to share their stories with me about how they were called the n—word. so racism definitely was there that day. a lot of people there were racist. that day was about people who had no respect for democracy and just don't care about their country. we learned from the january 6th committee that president trump was watching the events unfold live on tv in the private dining room at the white house. do you think he should have acted sooner? any action by anybody, especially the president, that could have brought that situation to a quicker end should have absolutely happened. anything, yeah, absolutely. there were actions that could have been done to get us help sooner. what was the low point of that day as an officer? that day is tough because i didn't really process a lot of what had happened while that day was going on. my day was basically filled with "just survive and get home". i did have a moment to sit down. once we got a little bit of help in the building, i was able to reflect. that was when the infamous line was, is this america? i was able to sit down with one of my friends and we talked about our experiences from that day. and i began to sob and i began to cry about... notjust what had happened, but i guess the state of our country. and it was very, very, very disheartening. i would say that was the low point of that day. can you answer that question, a year later, that you posed? you asked the question, is this america? was that america? yeah, it was. i think it's very irresponsible and dangerous for us to deny that part of america, because as ugly as it is, it's not something that we're proud of, it exists. that is part of who we are. do you think something like this could happen again? unfortunately, yes, i do. what happened and the way this country is headed. a lot of people are becoming more and more vocal about their views, which people are allowed to have, but once it becomes violent and destructive, that's where you have to draw the line. but there has been nothing in place to stop that from happening again, so i do believe it could happen again. and what to you is the lesson of january 6th, of what happened? democracy can't be taken for granted just because it exists. you have to fight to protect it. simple as that. we will have special coverage of the first anniversary of the 6th january riot at nine o'clock this evening, here on bbc news. let me bring you some news from gatwick. we are hearing from the gatwick. we are hearing from the gatwick airport twitter account that they have been experiencing it issues in the air—traffic control tower this morning, resulting in three diverted flights. they say they are continuing to experience delays with both arrivals and departures and they are working to resolve this as soon as possible. some people on social media have said their flights have some people on social media have said theirflights have been diverted to heathrow airport, 37 miles away. we will keep you updated. let's get more on that news that a complaint by northern ireland gay rights activist gareth lee that he was discriminated against when the christian owners of a belfast bakery refused to make him a cake iced with the slogan "support gay marriage" has been ruled inadmissible by the european courts of human rights. let's speak now with our ireland correspondent chris page. chris, reminders of the background to this case, because it has been going on for some time.- going on for some time. that's riuht. going on for some time. that's right- never — going on for some time. that's right. never before, _ going on for some time. that's right. never before, you - going on for some time. that's right. never before, you could| going on for some time. that's - right. never before, you could say, has a cake been so controversial. this started in 201a, when gasly, a 93v this started in 201a, when gasly, a gay rights activist, walked into a branch of this baking company in belfast city centre and placed an order for a belfast city centre and placed an orderfor a cake bearing the slogan "support gay marriage". at the time, same—sex couples were not able to get married in northern ireland. the law finally changed in 2020. but eight years ago, it was a major political debate going on. there was a big campaign going on, so mr lee wanted the slogan endorsing that campaign. however, he got a phone call from the bakery owners saying that they were not going to bake the cake because they thought the message on it was at odds with their christian beliefs. mr lee took legal action. he was supported by the northern ireland equality watchdog in doing so. he alleged he had me discriminated against on the grounds of his sexuality. he won his case at the high court here in belfast and then at the northern ireland account —— court of appeal. but then it went to the uk supreme court and it overturned a previous verdict. judges in london ruled in favour of the bakers, saying their objection to making the cake was on the basis of the political message that they disagreed with, and not mr lee's sexuality. mr lee then took the case further to strasbourg, to the european court of human rights, and that court enforces and interprets the european convention on human rights, which is an international treaty signed by the uk and a6 other european states. this morning, in a writtenjudgment, thejudges in written judgment, the judges in strasbourg writtenjudgment, thejudges in strasbourg have said the case brought by mr lee was inadmissible and therefore they have dismissed it. they said that at no point in the proceedings in the uk courts did mr lee invoke his rights under the european convention and therefore, to quote directly, by relying solely on domestic law, mr lee defied the domestic courts of the opportunity to address any convention issues raised, instead asking the european court to usurp the role of the domestic courts. judges say mr lee failed to domestic remedies, so the application was inadmissible. so does this now and here? we - application was inadmissible. so - does this now and here? we haven't et heard does this now and here? we haven't yet heard a — does this now and here? we haven't yet heard a response _ does this now and here? we haven't yet heard a response from _ does this now and here? we haven't yet heard a response from mr- does this now and here? we haven't yet heard a response from mr lee i does this now and here? we haven'tj yet heard a response from mr lee or his legal team, or indeed anybody on the other side, the owners of ashers bakery or the christian institute, the charity and lobby group who have been supporting them. but it is hard to see if there's any other route open to mr lee after this. the campaign around gay marriage, the issue was resolved here, as i say. the law was changed in 2020, so it is less of a political debate. however, this case, over the years, became a touchstone for issues around lgbt rights and freedom of conscience. so i think this whole period, in the history of northern ireland and social issues and also the wider implications around those very personal and sensitive points of debate, that debate will continue in the years ahead and the impact of this case on that will be analysed for some time to come.— this case on that will be analysed for some time to come. the winner of the bbc�*s sound of 22 competition has been revealed as pinkpa ntheress. for the last 20 years — the competition has been predicting music's biggest new names — previous winners include adele, years and years, celeste and sam smith. this year's winner, a 20—year—old singer from bath, only started making music in her university bedroom this time last year. our music correspondent mark savage has been talking to her. # i found the street in the house in which you stayed #. a familiar sound with a modern twist. pinkpantheress's music has been described as the new nostalgia. # when you wipe your tears, do you wipe them just for me #. aged 20, she only started uploading songs to tiktok a year ago, initially keeping her identity a secret. i personally find it easier to kind of not lay every single card you have on the table. i think it's quite nice sometimes to, like, have privacy and i kind of felt like if i had my music out as well as my face everywhere, it would just start getting too much for people. helped by that air of mystery, her music took off in a big way. by last summer, she had two top a0 hits and coldplay had covered one of her songs. # do you wipe them just for me, me, me, me, me? now she has been named the winner of the bbc�*s sound of 2022. here's the moment she was told the news by radio 1's jack saunders. what if i told you that you are the winner of radio one's sound of 2022, how would you feel then? i mean, i'd be very happy. well, you're the winner of radio one's sound of 2022, pinkpantheress, congratulations! what the hell? that's a shock! thank you very much. it was this gig by paramore at the reading festival in 201a that set pinkpantheress on the road to stardom. iwas, like, 15, and i was a big paramore fan. i saw her on stage and i was like, she just looks like she is enjoying herself so much. and then i deeped it, i was like, she is getting paid for this on top of that. like, iwasjust like, yeah, i just want to do this. by the time she made her own stage debut in october, pinkpantheress already had a passionate fan base of her own. the reason i'm smiling is because i'm remembering the people that were in the front row and how funny they were. but i actually did always want to go in quite deep with them from the very get—go. i know it sounds really patronising, but i have genuinely been there. i was, like, the biggest fan girl. # when you wipe your tears, do you wipe them just for me? # the bbc sound of list has previously tipped the likes of adele, stormzy and dua lipa for success. pinkpantheress joins their ranks now, with big things now it's time for a look at the weather, let�* 5 cross the newsroom to carol. this morning we have had rain, strengthening winds and snow coming in from the west, as you can see from the radar and is no picture. that is courtesy of a weatherfront which is going to continue its journey putting eastwards through the rest of the day. it's a warm front. behind it, the air will be less cold, so the snow will turn back to rain. later, a cold front follows in and behind that one, it will turn colder again. the rain will turn colder again. the rain will continue to push in west from the east. snow may come as far south as the midlands. as we pushed south of that, the snow will mainly be on the hills. behind it, as we get into the hills. behind it, as we get into the less cold air, it will all turn back to rain. these black circles represent the strength of the wind gusts. particularly windy towards the west, especially in the north—west. but with windy conditions anyway, on the higher roots of scotland and northern england, that could lead such a some temporary lizards and drifting snow. wherever you are, it's going to feel cold. through this evening and overnight, the weatherfront continues to push into the north sea. behind it, we will see a rash of wintry showers, even down to sea level at times. still quite windy as well and cold. not as cold as last night, but still cold enough for a touch of frost and also the risk of ice on untreated surfaces. tomorrow the front is gone, but there is another one coming our way, moving across southern areas. as you can see from the isobars, is going to be windy. the strongest winds will be across the south—west and the english channel, where we could see gales at times. we have got rain, hail snow and sleet pushing across south wales in southern england. to the north of that, we are back into sunshine and showers, but still the potential of some of those showers to be wintry, even at lower levels. friday night into saturday sees our weatherfront clear, but another couple of weatherfronts coming our way, a 11 and in a cold one. on saturday, we are looking at squally winds around this band of rain as it pushes from the west towards the east. behind that, return to sunshine and showers, but some of those showers could still be wintry and we are looking at temperatures of six to 11. something dry comes on sunday before rain later. this is bbc news — these are the latest headlines in the uk and around the world. novak djokovic will have to wait until monday to find out whether he'll avoid deportation from australia after a vaccine exemption backlash. on the issue of mr djokovic, rules are rules — and there are no special cases. police in kazakhstan's main city, almaty, say they've killed dozens of people who attempted to storm the police headquarters and other administrative buildings. a new report says plans to tackle record health service waiting lists in england could be derailed by demands for emergency care and a lack of staff. are you or your loved ones waiting for nhs treatment? 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