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hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are torcuil crighton, westminster editor of the daily record, and lucy fisher, deputy political editor at the telegraph. tomorrow's front pages now, starting with... the fallout from ghislaine maxwell's guilty verdict is the lead for the i, with comments from a lawyer representing her victims saying prince andrew should be "quaking in his boots" at the outcome. the duke of york has always strenuously denied the allegations against him. the telegraph also picks up on that story. the paper carries an image of maxwell alongside prince andrew on ladies day at royal ascot in 2000. the mirror has spoken to a key witness at ghislaine maxwell's trial who opens up about life as her butler and chauffeur. the warning carried by the guardian if nhs staff are not prioritised "a devastating impact for patient care" — the warning carried by the guardian if nhs staff are not prioritised for covid lateral flow tests as supply issues persist. the paper also captures a highly unseasonal image of families on the beach in nothumberland as the uk prepares for what could be its warmest new year's eve on record. the financial times says borisjohnson is set to be cleared over breaking the ministerial code following an internal inquiry into a loan acquired to redecorate his downing street flat. so, let's begin. hello to you both. thank you very much for coming on. the big story is the fallout from the ghislaine maxwell trial. let's start with you, torcuil, and the front page of the i with a headline spotlight falls on duke of york after unhelpful maxwell verdict. what does that mean? more than unhelpful. _ verdict. what does that mean? more than unhelpful. there _ verdict. what does that mean? more than unhelpful. there are _ verdict. what does that mean? me than unhelpful. there are no pictures that can be captioned of the queen's second son standing next to a convicted sex trafficker and the alleged victim of that trafficking. the duke of york publicly denies any allegation that he had anything to do with this accuser but a hearing in new york in five days�* time, a civil case she is running against him, and this verdict yesterday that put ghislaine maxwell behind bars can only be bad news for prince andrew in that forthcoming case. this news for prince andrew in that forthcoming case.— news for prince andrew in that forthcoming case. this is a story that's taking _ forthcoming case. this is a story that's taking up _ forthcoming case. this is a story that's taking up so _ forthcoming case. this is a story that's taking up so much - forthcoming case. this is a story that's taking up so much of - forthcoming case. this is a story that's taking up so much of the l that's taking up so much of the press attention over the last 2a hours or so. what do you make of the coverage on the front pages? in a coverage on the front pages? in a sense it's no _ coverage on the front pages? in a sense it's no surprise that he has now turned — sense it's no surprise that he has now turned from focus on the trial and ghislaine maxwell herself to the very british angle that focuses on prince _ very british angle that focuses on prince andrew. i think he really is under fresh — prince andrew. i think he really is under fresh pressure. certainly the lawyers _ under fresh pressure. certainly the lawyers for— under fresh pressure. certainly the lawyers for the jeffrey epstein victims — lawyers for the jeffrey epstein victims say he should be quaking in his boots— victims say he should be quaking in his boots following the verdict against — his boots following the verdict against ghislaine maxwell. as torcuii— against ghislaine maxwell. as torcuil said, he has always denied the allegations made against him by virginia _ the allegations made against him by virginia but now is try to get the case _ virginia but now is try to get the case done — virginia but now is try to get the case done at by his lawyers saying she does— case done at by his lawyers saying she does not have standing to bring this civii— she does not have standing to bring this civil case in a us court. but there _ this civil case in a us court. but there are — this civil case in a us court. but there are a _ this civil case in a us court. but there are a lot of real commentators say the _ there are a lot of real commentators say the only— there are a lot of real commentators say the only way for him to rehabilitate his reputation is to go forward _ rehabilitate his reputation is to go forward with a jury trial so it's an interesting — forward with a jury trial so it's an interesting tension there. i think as we _ interesting tension there. i think as we head towards the queen's platinum — as we head towards the queen's platinum jubilee, 70 years of service — platinum jubilee, 70 years of service coming up in february, there is a real— service coming up in february, there is a real risk— service coming up in february, there is a real risk now that could be overshadowed by the fallout from this verdict. just overshadowed by the fallout from this verdict-— this verdict. just emphasise that and let's look _ this verdict. just emphasise that and let's look at _ this verdict. just emphasise that and let's look at the _ this verdict. just emphasise that and let's look at the front - this verdict. just emphasise that and let's look at the front page i this verdict. just emphasise that l and let's look at the front page of the daily telegraph, your paper, lucy, and the main story there is the duke told he will face justice after maxwell verdict and the picture they are that torcuil referenced by the story i want to talk to you about, lucy, because it has your name underneath it is the headline there calls for critical workers to get priority for covid—i9 tests as a shortage it's returned to work. what is this all about? today, shorta . es work. what is this all about? today, shortages of — work. what is this all about? today, shortages of lateral _ work. what is this all about? today, shortages of lateral flow _ work. what is this all about? today, shortages of lateral flow tests - work. what is this all about? today, shortages of lateral flow tests at - shortages of lateral flow tests at persisted in many parts of the country— persisted in many parts of the country and again it's been very difficult — country and again it's been very difficult for people in many parts of the _ difficult for people in many parts of the country to book pcr tests as weii~ _ of the country to book pcr tests as weii~ and _ of the country to book pcr tests as well. and now the telegraph is reporting — well. and now the telegraph is reporting tomorrow that ministers are looking at plans look and see particular— are looking at plans look and see particular sectors prioritised for testing — particular sectors prioritised for testing and this comes after a lot of pressure, not least from the royal college of nursing today, saying — royal college of nursing today, saying that health professionals with me — saying that health professionals with me at the front of the line to -ain with me at the front of the line to gain tests — with me at the front of the line to gain tests in order to be able to go back to work safely and avoid infecting _ back to work safely and avoid infecting other patients in hospitals with a lot of concern in the past — hospitals with a lot of concern in the past week or two about incidental covid—i9 transmission in hospitals _ incidental covid—i9 transmission in hospitals and how that might be contributing to the number of people in hospitals with covid—i9 rather than _ in hospitals with covid—i9 rather than those who necessarily arrives with the _ than those who necessarily arrives with the virus. i think it makes sense — with the virus. i think it makes sense perhaps for nurses and doctors to he _ sense perhaps for nurses and doctors to be offered for the treatment and prioritisation and we know that care homes _ prioritisation and we know that care homes are — prioritisation and we know that care homes are already receiving that and under— homes are already receiving that and under the _ homes are already receiving that and under the plans being looked at by the government, there could be other sectors _ the government, there could be other sectors potentially, lorry drivers and government officials, also hooked — and government officials, also booked at the front of the line. and a . ain booked at the front of the line. and aaain as if booked at the front of the line. again as if you booked at the front of the line. fific again as if you emphasise what an important story this is on the front page of the garden which we can look at now, lack of covid—i9 task for nhs staff could have devastating impact, torcuil. in nhs staff could have devastating impact, torcuil.— impact, torcuil. in the nhs are already suffering _ impact, torcuil. in the nhs are already suffering from - impact, torcuil. in the nhs are | already suffering from absences impact, torcuil. in the nhs are - already suffering from absences and from lack of resources. and health workers screaming for priority to be given to them for lateral flow tests, laboursaying given to them for lateral flow tests, labour saying the same thing. and in a letter to mps virtually admitting that they will have to make a priority over the next month. now a health crisis but also a deep political slant to this as well with the welsh first minister being able to offer 4 million lateral flow tests to a tory nhs health minister, a labour welsh first minister, a gesture of generosity there across the border and across the political aisle. is he to be a particularly english problem because in england, there are seven date releases from isolation if you take the appropriate lateral flow tests on date two and a six and then now in scotland of course you have to isolate steel for ten days if you test positive. so it is not some to be such a problem north of the border was a big problem on the border was a big problem on the border is that kids from scotland where nightclubs have been closed and in wales were nightclubs are closed may pile across into england for hogmanay, for new year's celebrations in clubs which are still open. so that it itself may cause a run on lateral flow tests and may in fact cause a run on covid—i9 figures which within the roof today. covid-19 figures which within the roof toda . ~ ., , covid-19 figures which within the roof today-— covid-19 figures which within the rooftoda. , ., ,, ., roof today. most pharmacists we have talked to today _ roof today. most pharmacists we have talked to today saying _ roof today. most pharmacists we have talked to today saying people - roof today. most pharmacists we have talked to today saying people coming | talked to today saying people coming in, trying to get tests because they have got plans over the weekend for new year's and they want to make sure they are doing the right thing, getting to before they go and honestly lots of pharmacies running out unfortunately. let's move now from the testing issue too i suppose the underlying issue, which is the actual pressure on the nhs, not for testing but the actual situation. which front page here, the independent and underneath a photo they are of the story of prince andrew which we have already covered but the headline underneath that is prepare for the worst. nhs bosses tell hospitals there is a warning that covid—i9 admissions art to keep rising for the next ten days, lucy. yes, it is certainly an ominous warning — yes, it is certainly an ominous warning from the nhs to health chiefs— warning from the nhs to health chiefs and we know that the latest figures _ chiefs and we know that the latest figures show that more than 2000 people _ figures show that more than 2000 people were admitted to hospital on december the 28th and that's the highest _ december the 28th and that's the highest rate since february this year— highest rate since february this year and — highest rate since february this year and at the moment there are around _ year and at the moment there are around 11,000 patients in hospital with covid—i9 in the big concern is that new— with covid—i9 in the big concern is that new year's eve celebrations of people _ that new year's eve celebrations of people getting together and mingling could allow the title of omicron variant — could allow the title of omicron variant to — could allow the title of omicron variant to spread much further into those _ variant to spread much further into those numbers potentially spike in coming days. i think borisjohnson obviously— coming days. i think borisjohnson obviously has a in the decision so far not— obviously has a in the decision so far not to — obviously has a in the decision so far not to put it more restrictions and he _ far not to put it more restrictions and he has — far not to put it more restrictions and he has been monitoring the data carefully. _ and he has been monitoring the data carefully, hour by hour we are told try carefully, hour by hour we are told by government sources, i think it will he _ by government sources, i think it will be interesting to see what happens with new year's eve and if anything _ happens with new year's eve and if anything comes in injanuary to try and curb _ anything comes in injanuary to try and curb social mixing and particularly endorse. where it's easiest— particularly endorse. where it's easiest for it to spread.- easiest for it to spread. people will be looking _ easiest for it to spread. people will be looking for _ easiest for it to spread. people will be looking for now - easiest for it to spread. people will be looking for now is - easiest for it to spread. people | will be looking for now is clearly the peak of infections in the peak of hospitalisations and we reported just in the last couple of hours or so that slaver got started actually removing some of their restrictions, believing that the peak of omicron there has passed. now we don't know that for certain of course but that would provide some encouragement if thatis would provide some encouragement if that is true but the look across to france, 200,000 or so inventions in france and does not feel that optimistic right now. it is france and does not feel that optimistic right now.- france and does not feel that optimistic right now. it is not feel that aood optimistic right now. it is not feel that good here — optimistic right now. it is not feel that good here either _ optimistic right now. it is not feel that good here either in - optimistic right now. it is not feel that good here either in of - optimistic right now. it is not feel that good here either in of course we want to see or feel a peak in hospital admissions or hopefully not in fatalities because omicron is to be as deadly as delta was possible we will certainly see it in our daily lives and we have seen it already with a shortage of staff in the nhs and a shortage of staff in key centres of the economy, train drivers, fairies called off in scotland and people not being able to make that new year's journey to meet relatives and if the economy is hit in the recovery is it. and of course we are going to see a peak in the weeks or so because everyone will be out and about in the new year unless they follow their own common sense and not you can government's, sense, which is to go on about your business and as you want to make your choice on this, there is no instruction to stay at home at the new year and he will can do what they want really. just touched on — do what they want really. just touched on their _ do what they want really. just touched on their the economic impact of all this as we look at testing in the health and now in the weeks to come, issues like school of course but also the economy are going to be hit. ., �* , but also the economy are going to be hit. ., h ., ., ~ but also the economy are going to be hit. that's right. back to work on tuesday and _ hit. that's right. back to work on tuesday and concerns _ hit. that's right. back to work on tuesday and concerns we - hit. that's right. back to work on tuesday and concerns we start i hit. that's right. back to work on i tuesday and concerns we start with the testing — tuesday and concerns we start with the testing shortage might hit the return— the testing shortage might hit the return of— the testing shortage might hit the return of workers to offices and so forth _ return of workers to offices and so forth. you've also had figures this week— forth. you've also had figures this week that — forth. you've also had figures this week that hospitality venues lost an average _ week that hospitality venues lost an average of— week that hospitality venues lost an average of £10,000 a week in the run-up— average of £10,000 a week in the run-up to — average of £10,000 a week in the run—up to christmas because people auto lock— run—up to christmas because people auto lock down and decided not to go out in _ auto lock down and decided not to go out in order— auto lock down and decided not to go out in order to ensure they did not catch— out in order to ensure they did not catch omicron before meeting relatives _ catch omicron before meeting relatives for christmas, the actual festival— relatives for christmas, the actual festival period itself. so i think there _ festival period itself. so i think there are — festival period itself. so i think there are a lot of concerns about there are a lot of concerns about the economy and also concerns about inflation _ the economy and also concerns about inflation which has hit 5.1% and concerns— inflation which has hit 5.1% and concerns about cost of living squeezes coming with energy bills set to— squeezes coming with energy bills set to spike in april. also shows government has a lot on its plate to deal with— government has a lot on its plate to deal with alongside the covid—19 crisis _ deal with alongside the covid—19 crisis and — deal with alongside the covid—19 crisis and this is by far and away not the — crisis and this is by far and away not the only thing in boris johnson's intrigue as he returns to work— johnson's intrigue as he returns to work in _ johnson's intrigue as he returns to work in the — johnson's intrigue as he returns to work in the new year. you mentioned boris johnson — work in the new year. you mentioned boris johnson to _ work in the new year. you mentioned boris johnson to let _ work in the new year. you mentioned boris johnson to let stick _ work in the new year. you mentioned boris johnson to let stick with - work in the new year. you mentioned boris johnson to let stick with him . borisjohnson to let stick with him and this actually is a story on the front page of the fc, both political so i will follow —— get your thoughts on this was not torcuil him you with a headlinejohnson to be clear to breaking rules over downing street flat refurbishment. if you could do us a favour and just start at the beginning with this and remind me what this is about. boris johnson was — remind me what this is about. boris johnson was previously _ remind me what this is about. err" 3 johnson was previously cleared by lord guilder, the independent standards commissioner, of illegally seeking a donation to refurbish the downing street flat, but he open that investigation again because the electoral commission find the conservative party for not following the rules, not following the law on donations from lord brownell, the person who initially stumped of the cash to do that to the prime minister's flat. lord guilder to the thing again and exchange letters will borisjohnson and boris and currently the ft and hopefully set things right in this for this group but according to the fc, boris johnson wriggled out of it and seems to have explained to the good lord that this was a mess that he did not deceive in any way and what is reminded of peter mcleish in scotland we had to resign over his expenses and he claimed it was a model and not a fiddle and that seems to bejohnson bossman take on this as well. seems to be johnson bossman take on this as well. ,, , ., seems to be johnson bossman take on this as well-— this as well. sebastian payne there is the whitehall _ this as well. sebastian payne there is the whitehall editor _ this as well. sebastian payne there is the whitehall editor at _ this as well. sebastian payne there is the whitehall editor at the - is the whitehall editor at the financial times that you referenced therein lucy, what do you make of it? ., , , , ., , therein lucy, what do you make of it? .,, ,, it? not surprised to see labour leap on the story — it? not surprised to see labour leap on the story and _ it? not surprised to see labour leap on the story and demand _ it? not surprised to see labour leap on the story and demand the - on the story and demand the publication of the letters between lord guy — publication of the letters between lord guy in the prime minister but it does— lord guy in the prime minister but it does seem a curious affair that lord _ it does seem a curious affair that lord guy— it does seem a curious affair that lord guy had cleared borisjohnson on the _ lord guy had cleared borisjohnson on the basis that the prime minister had told _ on the basis that the prime minister had told him he knew nothing of the payment _ had told him he knew nothing of the payment funding the downing street flat renovation and only for it than to emerge — flat renovation and only for it than to emerge there were talks between the prime _ to emerge there were talks between the prime minister and lord brownlow, the tory donor who some of the money, _ brownlow, the tory donor who some of the money, discussing that very donation i_ the money, discussing that very donation. i think it will be interesting to see now when lord got publishes _ interesting to see now when lord got publishes his report exactly what he says in _ publishes his report exactly what he says in the — publishes his report exactly what he says in the financial times suggests that while _ says in the financial times suggests that while he will clear boris johnson _ that while he will clear boris johnson of having broken the ministerial code, he will yet be very— ministerial code, he will yet be very critical of the prime minister and in _ very critical of the prime minister and in fact— very critical of the prime minister and in fact he was in his initial inquiry — and in fact he was in his initial inquiry. these are the prime minister— inquiry. these are the prime minister had acted unwisely even though— minister had acted unwisely even though in— minister had acted unwisely even though in that one as well he said he had _ though in that one as well he said he had not — though in that one as well he said he had not broken the ministerial rules— he had not broken the ministerial rules lrut— he had not broken the ministerial rules but i— he had not broken the ministerial rules but i think there will be pressure for lord guide to publish all the _ pressure for lord guide to publish all the course was between him and the prime _ all the course was between him and the prime minister so people can understand what went awry here and why the _ understand what went awry here and why the vital evidence of these messages was not shown to lord guy in the _ messages was not shown to lord guy in the first— messages was not shown to lord guy in the first place.— in the first place. torcuil and i want to ask — in the first place. torcuil and i want to ask you _ in the first place. torcuil and i want to ask you a _ in the first place. torcuil and i want to ask you a question . in the first place. torcuil and i | want to ask you a question and in the first place. torcuil and i - want to ask you a question and you may well grown and it and i apologise in advance what i will ask about cup flu and how much people are following the story because the allegations of sleaze and when that slings around in politics, you then get a sense that actually things are cutting through the people who normally would not take interest in politics what does lucyjust talked us through the details, it is a bit complicated now and we are getting into the weeds of it a little bit so where are your readers on this? this one does not —

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