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encounters" this year. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are george eaton, senior online editor of the new statesman and rosamound urwin, media editor of the sunday times . tomorrow's front pages, starting with... the i reports that the number of covid—19 patients in hospital is climbing — but serious illness from omicron remains lower. the daily telegraph writes that the nhs test and trace is incorrectly telling people to isolate for ten days, despite official guidance cutting it to one week. the guardian reports that uk households are being warned of the �*year of the squeeze�* as cost of living soars. the daily mirror writes �*new year, new hope�* — adding that there is a growing belief that omicron will not swamp the nhs, despite the huge surge in cases. the financial times reports that is was a �*blockbuster year�* for markets as companies raised a record $12 trillion by selling stock and issuing debt and loans. the daily mail leads on scientists calling for the self—isolation period to be cut to five days — from the current seven. and the times also leading on the story saying that the prime minister is being urged to stave off an nhs staffing crisis by reducing the self isolation time for workers. let�*s begin. the front page of the guardian. doom and gloom, the year of the squeeze. guardian. doom and gloom, the year of the squeeze-— of the squeeze. yes, not a lot of new year — of the squeeze. yes, not a lot of new year chair— of the squeeze. yes, not a lot of new year chair there. _ of the squeeze. yes, not a lot of new year chair there. this - of the squeeze. yes, not a lot of new year chair there. this is - of the squeeze. yes, not a lot of new year chair there. this is a i new year chair there. this is a piece of research by the resolution foundation looking at how broke were all going to be next year. it is a bad big hit they are talking about. uk households facing a hit of £1200 next year. that�*s a few different things all coming together. obviously, we�*ve known inflation has been rising towards the end of this year and the suggestion is it will get worse next year. we�*ve heard a lot about energy bills rising taxes and so all of these things are going to come together and hit us and april is a time when things are going to be even tougher than they are for people right now when the tax changes come in. in the energy bills. , , , ., bills. the list 'ust gets longer. george.... _ bills. the listjust gets longer. george,... yes, _ bills. the listjust gets longer. george, . .. yes, this _ bills. the listjust gets longer. george, . .. yes, this is - bills. the listjust gets longer. george,... yes, this is a - bills. the listjust gets longer. george,... yes, this is a real. george,... yes, this is a real headache _ george,... yes, this is a real headache for _ george,... yes, this is a real headache for the _ george,... yes, this is a real| headache for the government george,... yes, this is a real- headache for the government because history— headache for the government because history shows that governments tend to become _ history shows that governments tend to become unpopular when living standards— to become unpopular when living standards are squeezed. some of this is out _ standards are squeezed. some of this is out of— standards are squeezed. some of this is out of the _ standards are squeezed. some of this is out of the government stands, youhe _ is out of the government stands, you're seeing inflation rise in most major— you're seeing inflation rise in most major countries. but obviously the tax rises _ major countries. but obviously the tax rises are the governments responsibility. you've also seen the cut in— responsibility. you've also seen the cut in universal credit, the £20 a week_ cut in universal credit, the £20 a week cuts— cut in universal credit, the £20 a week cuts that will cause some famiiies— week cuts that will cause some families over £1000 a year. some people _ families over £1000 a year. some people had their wages cut during the pandemic, some people are out of work, _ the pandemic, some people are out of work, looking for paid work. so it really _ work, looking for paid work. so it really is _ work, looking for paid work. so it really is a — work, looking for paid work. so it really is a bit of a perfect storm. and combined with the governments of other political woes i think it will be a other political woes i think it will he a big — other political woes i think it will be a big problem for borisjohnson in 2022, _ be a big problem for borisjohnson in 2022, possibly a bigger problem than covid—19.the in 2022, possibly a bigger problem than covid-19._ than covid-19. the independent is also auoin than covid-19. the independent is also going with — than covid-19. the independent is also going with this _ than covid-19. the independent is also going with this story. - than covid-19. the independent is also going with this story. and - than covid-19. the independent is also going with this story. and it | also going with this story. and it does point out that the real wage is set to be £740 lower. those arms are eye watering for people who are struggling as it is, rosamound. yes. struggling as it is, rosamound. yes, absolutel . struggling as it is, rosamound. yes, absolutely. this _ struggling as it is, rosamound. yes, absolutely. this is _ struggling as it is, rosamound. yes, absolutely. this is one _ struggling as it is, rosamound. yes, absolutely. this is one of— struggling as it is, rosamound. fie: absolutely. this is one of many things that will hit boris hardin. we�*ve been very aware that over the past all things having to do with covid—19. this will be a very big headed for the government. i think it will be particularly concerned about it. obviously we always end up talking about the so—called red wall seeds. but this is one area where this will hit incredibly hard and people will be very aware of this. and they�*ll be a lot of new conservative mps who won a seat in 2019 who are reading this now and thinking, this is going to be a very big problem for them. it is a much bigger problems for those individuals on lower incomes where they are going to feel very squeezed. and probably already feel very squeezed. squeezed. and probably already feel very squeezed-— very squeezed. george, the daily teleu-rah very squeezed. george, the daily telegraph also. _ very squeezed. george, the daily telegraph also, their _ very squeezed. george, the daily telegraph also, their lead - very squeezed. george, the daily telegraph also, their lead story. | telegraph also, their lead story. this is not going to be the type of headline that mrjohnson will want to see, will it? ha. headline that mrjohnson will want to see, will it?— to see, will it? no. particularly because one — to see, will it? no. particularly because one of _ to see, will it? no. particularly because one of his _ to see, will it? no. particularly because one of his big - to see, will it? no. particularly because one of his big themes| to see, will it? no. particularly. because one of his big themes is that we — because one of his big themes is that we are heading for a high wage economy _ that we are heading for a high wage economy. and wages have been rising in some _ economy. and wages have been rising in some sectors, with israel demand for employment, but for a lot of people their wages are stagnant or barely— people their wages are stagnant or barely rising. in the most recent. reai— barely rising. in the most recent. real wage — barely rising. in the most recent. real wage growth was actually flat so 0%~ _ real wage growth was actually flat so 0%. when you have high inflation and he _ so 0%. when you have high inflation and he wage increases are easily eroded~ — and he wage increases are easily eroded. people will be able to points— eroded. people will be able to points to _ eroded. people will be able to points to moments where boris johnson — points to moments where boris johnson has promised higher wagers and state _ johnson has promised higher wagers and state they haven't delivered. i think— and state they haven't delivered. i think that — and state they haven't delivered. i think that is a problem for him. his argument _ think that is a problem for him. his argument has been that this will be argument has been that this will be a bit argument has been that this will be a hit of— argument has been that this will be a hit of a _ argument has been that this will be a bit of a brexit bonus. thereby reducing — a bit of a brexit bonus. thereby reducing migration funding from the eu, reducing migration funding from the eu. british — reducing migration funding from the eu, british workers will benefit with higher wages. eu, british workers will benefit with higherwages. if eu, british workers will benefit with higher wages. if in reality they— with higher wages. if in reality they are — with higher wages. if in reality they are not better off that i think some _ they are not better off that i think some wiii— they are not better off that i think some will feel betrayed. gk. they are not better off that i think some will feel betrayed.— some will feel betrayed. 0k. the daily mirror. _ some will feel betrayed. 0k. the daily mirror. a — some will feel betrayed. 0k. the daily mirror, a more _ some will feel betrayed. 0k. the daily mirror, a more positive - daily mirror, a more positive headline, new year, new hope is the headline, new year, new hope is the headline there. this headline, new year, new hope is the headline there.— headline there. this is looking at covid-19 and their— headline there. this is looking at covid-19 and their intro - headline there. this is looking at covid-19 and their intro here - headline there. this is looking at covid-19 and their intro here is i covid—19 and their intro here is that the worst of the pandemic may be over as omicron will not be as severe as pathways was up this morning speaking saying those things was that this is an interesting thing because yes, we want to be hopeful and of course this is coming ahead of new year�*s eve and people wanting to go out, understandably. but the thing i think to be quite hesitant about is because we are seeing this enormous surge in cases we are also having the nhs, a huge number of staff at the moment having to self—isolate and not go to work. and so the nhs is still incredibly squeezed even if peace could not people don�*t end up in the same number lead to exactly the same level of care. so staff shortages are going to be one of the things that means that i�*m a less loss optimistic from that front page. staff shortages right across the economy and sectors as well, george? yes. i think you are seeing some leaders — yes. i think you are seeing some leaders saying that staff absences are essentially a bigger problem than omicron itself. we saw the so-caiied — than omicron itself. we saw the so—called pain dammit over the summer— so—called pain dammit over the summer "— so—called pain dammit over the summer —— pandemic. advocates particularly — summer —— pandemic. advocates particularly under enzyme with a nhs was already under a lot of pressure. obviously— was already under a lot of pressure. obviously you seen it receive less generous— obviously you seen it receive less generous funding over the last that it has— generous funding over the last that it has typically this is a dangerous period~ _ it has typically this is a dangerous period~ i— it has typically this is a dangerous period. i think there are two is cause for— period. i think there are two is cause for hope to the extent that vaccines— cause for hope to the extent that vaccines make a huge difference to peoples _ vaccines make a huge difference to peoples risk of severe illness or being _ peoples risk of severe illness or being hospitalised at all. a significant number of those who are being _ significant number of those who are being hospitalised particularly those — being hospitalised particularly those who require the most intensive treatments _ those who require the most intensive treatments are the unvaccinated which _ treatments are the unvaccinated which is — treatments are the unvaccinated which is why the government is still promoting — which is why the government is still promoting the jab message. that makes _ promoting the jab message. that makes such a big difference. at the moment— makes such a big difference. at the moment the hospitalisation figures aren't— moment the hospitalisation figures aren't as _ moment the hospitalisation figures aren't as bad as fit. i think there isn't _ aren't as bad as fit. i think there isn't room — aren't as bad as fit. i think there isn't room for complacency because there's— isn't room for complacency because there's always the threat of new variants — there's always the threat of new variants so while the developing world _ variants so while the developing world remains unvaccinated. and i think— world remains unvaccinated. and i think the _ world remains unvaccinated. and i think the chance for the country in the long—term is what can we do to make _ the long—term is what can we do to make health service more easily it so that— make health service more easily it so that it — make health service more easily it so that it is — make health service more easily it so that it is not easily overwhelmed. does that mean investing — overwhelmed. does that mean investing in hospital beds? the number— investing in hospital beds? the number of hospital beds is actually at its _ number of hospital beds is actually at its lowest level for 30 years. and how — at its lowest level for 30 years. and how do you build a more resilient _ and how do you build a more resilient social system, more generous— resilient social system, more generous sick bay and so on? i think that's— generous sick bay and so on? i think that's what— generous sick bay and so on? i think that's what we need to look at beyond — that's what we need to look at beyond just the debate of whether you should have restrictions on new year's_ you should have restrictions on new year's eve _ you should have restrictions on new year's eve or— you should have restrictions on new year's eve or not.— year's eve or not. rosamound, stay with the story. — year's eve or not. rosamound, stay with the story, do _ year's eve or not. rosamound, stay with the story, do you _ year's eve or not. rosamound, stay with the story, do you feel - year's eve or not. rosamound, stay with the story, do you feel that - with the story, do you feel that this idea that restrictions won�*t be tightened as we head towards the new year is a clear enough message? we had so much over the last few weeks but months about mixed messaging. yes, absolutely. an awful lot of people will be deciding that they do not want to go out into a big crowd, understandably so in the context. one thing that strikes me about these figures is as yet we don�*t know, we don�*t have a granular detail on who has covid, who these cases are. and my suspicion would be that these cases may skew quite young. in one of the reasons why we haven�*t caught up as when it is being milder in terms of hospitalisations that when we might be is that this is the number of younger people are younger and healthier on average. we may start to see people, families will come together and people may spread it to their older relatives now. that�*s another note of caution on these figures with we haven�*t seen that demographic granular breakdown of who these cases are. that might shift things. i who these cases are. that might shift things-— who these cases are. that might shift thins. , , , shift things. i suppose is returned to the front _ shift things. i suppose is returned to the front page _ shift things. i suppose is returned to the front page of— shift things. i suppose is returned to the front page of the _ shift things. i suppose is returned to the front page of the i, - shift things. i suppose is returned to the front page of the i, really l to the front page of the i, really picking about what you just said we are still hearing be cautious. there is hope but cautious behaviour. that continues because we don�*t yet have that full set of data. we don�*t yet have that definite clarity, do we george? j have that definite clarity, do we geora e? ~ have that definite clarity, do we georue? ,, ,., ._ , george? i think in some ways riuhtl , george? i think in some ways rightly. some _ george? i think in some ways rightly, some of— george? i think in some ways rightly, some of this - george? i think in some ways rightly, some of this is - george? i think in some ways i rightly, some of this is voluntary response — rightly, some of this is voluntary response ability. people using their common— response ability. people using their common sense. sol response ability. people using their common sense. so i think you saw something — common sense. so i think you saw something of a lockdown before christmas where people were voluntarily not mixing is much as they— voluntarily not mixing is much as they normally would because they didnt— they normally would because they didn't want to catch omicron before the christmas period. now the christmas period is over, some may take greater — christmas period is over, some may take greater risks. but i think you hope _ take greater risks. but i think you hope people are wise enough to take precautions such as wearing a mask, making _ precautions such as wearing a mask, making sure — precautions such as wearing a mask, making sure that they regulate test themselves with up i think people's understanding of the virus is a lot better— understanding of the virus is a lot better than it was earlier in the pandemic _ better than it was earlier in the pandemic. a greater awareness of the importance of ventilations for instance _ importance of ventilations for instance. but the government will be keeping _ instance. but the government will be keeping a _ instance. but the government will be keeping a close eye on the data. it's keeping a close eye on the data. it's very— keeping a close eye on the data. it's very interesting that scotland, wales— it's very interesting that scotland, wales or— it's very interesting that scotland, wales or northern ireland have imposed — wales or northern ireland have imposed stronger restrictions. it is quite _ imposed stronger restrictions. it is quite possible that one set of government will be vindicated and the other— government will be vindicated and the other will be seen as having been _ the other will be seen as having been on — the other will be seen as having been on the wrong side. but i think the main _ been on the wrong side. but i think the main hope is that because of the vaccines. _ the main hope is that because of the vaccines, because of increased understanding of covid we are not going _ understanding of covid we are not going to _ understanding of covid we are not going to hopefully see the hospitalisation and death that we did during the first and second waves — did during the first and second waves. ., , ., ., did during the first and second waves. ., _ waves. rosamound, everybody's talkinu waves. rosamound, everybody's talkin: or waves. rosamound, everybody's talking or you — waves. rosamound, everybody's talking or you are _ waves. rosamound, everybody's talking or you are hearing - waves. rosamound, everybody's talking or you are hearing a - waves. rosamound, everybody's talking or you are hearing a lot l waves. rosamound, everybody's| talking or you are hearing a lot of antidotal talk of this being just like a cold, the omicron variant. and then you�*ve got to stop and pause and listen to the scientists orsay pause and listen to the scientists or say well actually, it�*s probably because were seeing no symptoms in those that have been vaccinated and have been boosted. it�*s not necessarily so in those that are unvaccinated.— necessarily so in those that are unvaccinated. yes and eight lot of doctors have _ unvaccinated. yes and eight lot of doctors have made _ unvaccinated. yes and eight lot of doctors have made the _ unvaccinated. yes and eight lot of doctors have made the point - unvaccinated. yes and eight lot of doctors have made the point that| unvaccinated. yes and eight lot of. doctors have made the point that all the people on their wards at the moment largely particularly the seconds are unvaccinated. as a percentage we will see as more and more people are vaccinated a higher is it higher percentage of people in the hospital would be vaccinated. that�*s the success of the vaccination programme for the absolutely we are talking about it being my miles was about lots of people are clearly now vaccinated which is a brilliant thing. and this might not be mild to those who have not gone and got vaccinated. yes, absolutely that is a big consideration.— absolutely that is a big consideration. �* . ., consideration. let's turn to the front page _ consideration. let's turn to the front page of — consideration. let's turn to the front page of the _ consideration. let's turn to the front page of the telegraph. i consideration. let's turn to the | front page of the telegraph. it's front page of the telegraph. it�*s the little story to the left of the page, bottom, richard iii did not murder edward v. rosamound, can you pick that a for us, please? i do pick that a for us, please? i do love one _ pick that a for us, please? i do love one of _ pick that a for us, please? i do love one of the _ pick that a for us, please? i do love one of the history - pick that a for us, please? i if love one of the history stories being on the front. this is a really fascinating story because we all agreed the princes in the tower who believed to have been murdered by richard iii. this is says absolutely not. it sounds like something out of the da vinci code. one of the research is on the project said at the end of the story, what they�*re arguing is that richard is the elder of the two princes who disappeared in 1483 was of a story that�*s been more than 500 years in the making. they are saying actually, he lived out his life in charge of the local deer park under the namejohn evans. so he wasn�*t killed all but he was living in a place called cold rich on the property owned by his half—brother. fascinating historical story. it�*s obviously a claim but they�*ve done a lot of research here. they�*ve been following the documents and this is what they are claiming. i�*m sure will see other historians responding that tomorrow. i'm sure will see other historians responding that tomorrow. george, have ou responding that tomorrow. george, have you been _

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