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it's the brainchild of roland lane, who had dancer maeva berthelot�*s performance captured in a volumetric space and a cgi landscape built around her. it's also worth, if you can, taking a step back, to maybe here, to see the whole — if you can see the whole structure from a distance, you can get a whole of the top and bottom and everything that's going on. oh, yes! in some ways, it's more impressive when you stand back. it is! yeah, yeah, yeah. you feel like you're in a theatre. sonzai is also interactive. reach out and touch one of the globes or the flowers and they will react. so that's the hololens looking at my hands, as well as the space. yeah. although some of the objects looked really gooey and i really didn't feel like touching them! they weren't real — you do know that, don't you? well, yes. spencer chuckles. do you think that the artists who painted these amazing paintings on the wall would've used this technology had it been available to them at the time? i don't know. it's a difficult question, isn't it? i mean, art can be cutting—edge and art can be classical. i think it's an interesting juxtaposition, this room, surrounded by turners and constables. "turner might have loved it and constable would've hated it" was said a few times by people who viewed it. spencer laughs. this five—minute performance is an experiment into how a mixed reality art experience might work in the future. and once the dancer disappears, the whole thing simmers down to work more in harmony with its surroundings. when i say simmers down... oh, wow! oh, i'm loving that! that's every doctor who and star wars experience i've ever wanted, right there, so that's made my day. marvellous. wow! it now feels very weird to be back in the room. 0h, hello! hello! that's where you are! that was lovely, wasn't it? yeah! pretty lost in that. that's what's so bizarre is that the normal world now seems strange. and i say "the normal world" — we are in this room. yeah, we work on click. we don't live in the normal world. no, of course not. laughter. and someone who's taking that concept to the next level is marc cieslak, who's been asking where all this could go next. and the answer, of course, is the metaverse. so, what actually is the metaverse? well, if we think of the internet as something that we look at, the metaverse is a version of the internet that we're inside. the idea is that we will experience the metaverse as an avatar — a virtual version of ourselves that we control as we explore this new online frontier. but what will we actually do in here? whoa! i'd say there are examples of the metaverse already. if you look at some video games, for instance, they are, you know, digital worlds that you can interact with as an avatar. i'd see the metaverse as an extension of technologies that we currently have. i think a lot of people see the future metaverse as expanding on that experience to include notjust gaming, but maybe things like a digital workspace or digital events, digital socialising. andrew bosworth is from meta, the company formerly known as facebook. the tech giant says it's transforming itself from a social media company into a metaverse company. we spoke using oculus virtual reality headsets, appearing as avatars inside software designed for virtual meetings, called workrooms. ok, so, boz, here we are in what might be considered a representation of what the metaverse could be. yeah, for us, the metaverse is a spacial construct, as opposed to the previous web, which was really a very linear kind of 20, flat thing. we want this one to be immersive — something that you could, were you so inclined, really experience in an embodied way. now, of course, it doesn't mean it has to be virtual reality — it could also just be on a phone or on a desktop computer. you might have noticed that we are using the tools of the metaverse to create a good portion of this item. my avatar has been created by a couple of companies — ready player me and oz. they already create tools for people to make avatars from a photo. it's this virtual version of us which will travel between online experiences in any metaverse. bosworth believes new online economies will spring up around these pixelated people. and then, over time, what i'm most excited about is an economy there. and i mean, you know, economy notjust of digital goods, sure, and entertainment, that's great, but also services. in an immersive environment, i'm gonna have an avatar. i'm going to need a stylist, i'm going to have a home space, i'm gonna need a decorator, you know, and these are — i'm gonna invite my friends over to my home space. when we consider that video games already sell virtual goods like clothes or vehicles, we can see where this idea draws its inspiration, but there's other parts of online culture which these companies might be less enthusiastic about. now, in the contemporary online experience, there's a lot of online hatred out there, a lot of online abuse and misinformation and things of that nature. how are you going to avoid those kinds of experiences seeping into a metaverse? yeah, so one of the things that's interesting about metaverse experiences is that we imagine them being real—time. do you really want the system or a person standing by, listening in? probably not. i don't. that feels like a real violation of privacy. but if the conversation is happening in real time, then how can we modify content without listening in? and so, i think we have a privacy trade—off against, you know, if you want to have a high degree of content safety — or what we would call �*integrity�* — well, that trades off against privacy. but i do think that we're gonna have, as a society, a lot of hard conversations ahead of us around the trade—offs between privacy, content and interoperability. yeah, the more time we spend in these digital worlds, the more data about ourselves we may be giving up and obviously, that is a privacy concern — especially if you are going from one domain to another. maybe you're going from a digital work zone to a digital gaming zone. do you want the same identity to be associated with both? there are calls that maybe you would have to verify your identity and match that to your avatar, so that people know who you are. but that in itself raises a whole bunch of privacy concerns. maybe not everyone will be comfortable doing that. microsoft has adapted its workplace meeting software teams for the metaverse by creating a system called mesh. it's designed to work with a variety of different devices, including virtual and augmented reality. ar, as it's known, projects graphics on top of the real world using headsets like microsoft's hololens or mobile phones. but after nearly two years of lockdowns and meetings with friends, family and colleagues via video call, is now the right time for an idea like this one? there's quite a few people that have got fatigued by having to have video chat meetings and things of that nature and that they realise they now crave human contact. human communication is about 5% speech, it's 95% everything else. i've been in my — in my, you know, living room with the entire team around the table, right? making eye contact, where all the gestures are coming into the right place and i can touch that digital object and instead of having a person next to me, having a walking one on one, i can have the avatar version of that person one on one next to me, so it changes completely the — the, you know, call it the �*screen fatigue' we're feeling today. the next piece of the metaverse puzzle isn't just about seeing these virtual worlds, but feeling them as well. work on haptics or forced feedback — the ability to touch and feel while inside a virtual space — has been going on for years now. the artist formerly known as facebook, meta, has revealed that it's been working on a glove that will let the user feel sensations, like holding an object. the glove has a number of sensors that measure the wearer's movements and air pockets across the glove's surface inflate to create sensation. these gloves aren't quite ready for prime time yet, but they're an indicator of the kind of research that's going on behind the scenes. the big question, though, is will people embrace this new vision for our online lives? i think it depends on the specific application. we've seen in gaming lots of people really do enjoy those experiences. they use avatars, they interact with the world in that way. would you want to sit in a virtual office as an avatar? i'm less sold on that idea. it seems the metaverse is coming. but its success rests solely in our hands. i don't know about you, but i do think augmented reality is pretty much there, now, which means in the future the 3d sculptures that you see around you might not actually be in the room. true. they're not quite the same, though, are they, at ar? you can't touch them. not that you could touch that, obviously. no, for goodness�* sake. don't touch it, we'll all be in trouble. listen, there's one thing about ar they still do need to solve, though. what's that? it's the ar groove and the ar hair. oh, dear, have i still got that on my forehead? yeah, and my hair's all over the place. once you've sorted that, ar, we are in. anyway, that is it for the shortcut of click for this week from the v&a museum. the full—length version is waiting for you right now on iplayer. as ever, you can keep up with the team on social media. find us on youtube, instagram, facebook and twitter at @bbcclick. hello, there. we have seen some huge contrasts in weather conditions again today. some parts of scotland and northern england, wales, and the south—west have been gloriously bright and sunny but cold elsewhere, it has been grey and gloomy. and there is little change as we move into part two of the weekend, some areas across the north and west some sunshine and other areas holding on that cloud. there is this area blocking the high pressure setting to the north of the uk, very few isobars in the chart and the winds will remain light but still quite breezy through the channel and into the far south—west. through tonight, where we hold on to the cloud, temperatures will hover above freezing, at four to seven degrees. but under clearer skies, in scotland and northern england in particular, it will turn cold, a widespread frost here and the risk of some dense mist and fog patches, too. so, for sunday, it is a cold start across certain parts of the north and in towards wales and the south—west and frost and mist and fog but here, you will have the sunshine. there is a greater chance of seeing a few breaks in the cloud from northern ireland but much of central, southern and eastern england will stay rather grey and gloomy once again with perhaps even a little bit of drizzle in the thickest of the cloud. and those temperatures will be knocked down, five to seven degrees will be typical, but even colder than that when we start the day frosty. through sunday night, it is a similar performance, we have lots of cloud in central and southern and eastern areas and across northern ireland where the skies are clear it will turn cold and frosty. there will be mist and fog, temperatures hovering above four to seven degrees under that blanket of cloud. and then we come into the new working week from monday, it looks pretty similar, a lot of cloud around, they could be picture around seeing some breaks in that cloud in towards the central and eastern england, some parts of southern england haven't seen the sunshine for nearly a week so that would be a bit of a welcome change. with the best of the sunshine again across parts of scotland, perhaps wales, too, temperatures ranging from around one or two degrees to around seven or eight degrees. then, as we move through the run—up to christmas, we could start to see these weather fronts working their way in from the south—west, milder air, but colder air will continue to battle in from the north as well so we become in a sort of battleground around the christmas period. from next week, though, it looks like the start of the week will generally be chilly with more of the way in sunshine around and then it turns more unsettled for the christmas period, with a mixture of rain, sleet, and snow. this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. lord frost, the man in charge of the uk's brexit negotiations, has resigned citing concerns over the "direction" of boris johnson's government. the dutch prime minister puts his country into a tough new lockdown as the latest coronavirus variant spreads. translation: the netherlands are going to lockdown again from tomorrow. the netherlands is again shutting down. that is unavoidable because of the fifth wave that is coming with the omicron variant. another 90,000 covid cases are reported across the uk, as the mayor of london declares a major incident in the capital. a frantic search for survivors is under way in the philippines after at least 3! people are killed by typhoon rai.

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