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review is announced. the times reports there are plans to let ministers throw out legal rulings they do not like. and it's brexit on the daily express front cover — saying uk companies will be able to compete on a level playing field. white neck feels like an old headline, doesn't that? with the read is that, though, perhaps, or not. let's start tony, with the telegraph. more than 300,000 people housebound have not had their boosterjabs. we are all being encouraged to get them, though. that seems to be — encouraged to get them, though. that seems to be a — encouraged to get them, though. trust seems to be a bit of an issue of who is going to go into peoples properties and give them their boosterjab. the government has offered gps £30 per household, but gps are not that keen on doing it, they have too much work to do. some areas have tried to sign up pharmacies and others have asked the st. john's ambulance for help. this is obviously a big chink in the armour where people who are the most vulnerable are not going to get their booster is. there are two at three different things going on. when is the reluctance of gp starting work, and the other is the difficulty of trying to get private companies to do that sort of work. yes, it is a huge undertaking, and just the sheer logistics updates, carol, are always going to be problematic to relate out as fast as they want to. for problematic to relate out as fast as they want te— they want to. for sure, and the government — they want to. for sure, and the government have _ they want to. for sure, and the government have pledged - they want to. for sure, and the government have pledged that| they want to. for sure, and the - government have pledged that pretty much everybody of all ages, including all of these poor housebound people will be boosted by the end _ housebound people will be boosted by the end of— housebound people will be boosted by the end ofjanuary, it is a big ask and will— the end ofjanuary, it is a big ask and will incur national logistic effort — and will incur national logistic effort i— and will incur national logistic effort. i don't think there's any effort. idon't think there's any question— effort. i don't think there's any question about the people wanting and deserving to habits, it isjust one big _ and deserving to habits, it isjust one big logistical challenge, particularly as the government have put a _ particularly as the government have put a lot_ particularly as the government have put a lot of— particularly as the government have put a lot of chips on the table of vaccines— put a lot of chips on the table of vaccines and testing, as opposed to many— vaccines and testing, as opposed to many of— vaccines and testing, as opposed to many of the other restrictions that they have — many of the other restrictions that they have for the moment, anyway, so can they— they have for the moment, anyway, so can they will _ they have for the moment, anyway, so can they will wanting be to start this out— can they will wanting be to start this out pretty quickly. the eyes sa in: this out pretty quickly. the eyes saying that _ this out pretty quickly. the eyes saying that there _ this out pretty quickly. the eyes saying that there has _ this out pretty quickly. the eyes saying that there has been - this out pretty quickly. the eyes saying that there has been a - saying that there has been a backlash of any travel test with a because families are facing a much increased cost. if you try to get back faster than the rules change, you will see a huge increase in your flight. you will see a huge increase in your fliuht. , , _, ., flight. yes, so the rules come into force first thing _ flight. yes, so the rules come into force first thing tuesday _ flight. yes, so the rules come into force first thing tuesday morning, | force first thing tuesday morning, which _ force first thing tuesday morning, which is _ force first thing tuesday morning, which is pre— arrival testing, pcr or antigen, — which is pre— arrival testing, pcr orantigen, and, yes, it does mean increase _ orantigen, and, yes, it does mean increase massive hikes and costs particularly for families travelling at this— particularly for families travelling at this time of year. i guess, again. — at this time of year. i guess, again. it's _ at this time of year. i guess, again, it's been the lack of warning that has— again, it's been the lack of warning that has caught everybody on the heights — that has caught everybody on the heights i— that has caught everybody on the heights. i imagine that the good news _ heights. i imagine that the good news is — heights. i imagine that the good news is this time last year, people didn't_ news is this time last year, people didn't even— news is this time last year, people didn't even have a friend to spend the money— didn't even have a friend to spend the money to make the choices, however. — the money to make the choices, however. a _ the money to make the choices, however, a bit of a shock, and two problems— however, a bit of a shock, and two problems are, which is one from the many people saying it is not going to change — many people saying it is not going to change anything, the variant of the virus — to change anything, the variant of the virus is — to change anything, the variant of the virus is already here, and the fact that — the virus is already here, and the fact that these tests that you can take up— fact that these tests that you can take up to — fact that these tests that you can take up to 48 hours before departing, i mean, that is a long time _ departing, i mean, that is a long time in— departing, i mean, that is a long time in virus— departing, i mean, that is a long time in virus terms. the departing, i mean, that is a long time in virus terms.— departing, i mean, that is a long time in virus terms. the other issue that we have _ time in virus terms. the other issue that we have heard _ time in virus terms. the other issue that we have heard expressed - that we have heard expressed tonight, tony, with people we interviewed, we are being encouraged to travel, we are being encouraged to travel, we are being encouraged to be vaccinated, yet, we are still facing these costs.— to be vaccinated, yet, we are still facing these costs. yes. this comes back to something _ facing these costs. yes. this comes back to something i _ facing these costs. yes. this comes back to something i was _ facing these costs. yes. this comes back to something i was saying - back to something i was saying earlier on, if you are in the government, you have got to try to balance the risk to the economy, you want people to fly, because that's revenue from the taxpayer for the country, but on the other hand, you are trying to take a reasonably cautious approach. the thing to remember here is that advisers advise them about ministries decide, so be here all the advice from scientists, lots of people telling the government what they are doing wrong and how they should be doing a better, but ultimately committees are clinical decisions, and its ministers who will then have to take, you know, the consequences of those decisions, but that means more stringent measures injanuary or not. i think that the government at the minute, the main issue here is trying to balance the pressure is on the nhs and the need for the economy to continue as best it can. if the nhs and the need for the economy to continue as best it can. ii are to continue as best it can. if we look at the _ to continue as best it can. if we look at the times, _ to continue as best it can. if we look at the times, this - to continue as best it can. if we| look at the times, this is talking about what caroline referred to a moment ago, too late to stop omicron, says adviser, it is already spreading within the community, it's notjust about spreading within the community, it's not just about people spreading within the community, it's notjust about people bringing it in from other parts of the world. that will be the case _ from other parts of the world. that will be the case with _ from other parts of the world. trust will be the case with pretty much any variance. the idea that the uk can completely shut itself off are any possible variant of covid—i9 is nonsense. we cannot do that. one of the things that the government i think it's slowly trying to just words is the idea that we will have to learn to live with this long—term. covid—i9 is notjust going to disappear one day, so it comes back to that balance between protecting the nhs, making sure it doesn't become overwhelmed and relying on people's personal responsibility in terms of getting their vaccines and getting their booster, but any of the site of that is the economy. this is a key time of year for many, many businesses in the uk. at the government was going to move to trying to shut people down again, it would be catastrophic for us economically. it down again, it would be catastrophic for us economically.— for us economically. it looks like he by making — for us economically. it looks like he by making their _ for us economically. it looks like he by making their own - for us economically. it looks like l he by making their own decisions, and it's not a, sort of, when bit of guidance from the scientist and government, so people are being sensible in their own ways. i government, so people are being sensible in their own ways. i think so. lots sensible in their own ways. i think s0- lots of — sensible in their own ways. i think so. lots of people _ sensible in their own ways. i think so. lots of people think _ sensible in their own ways. i think so. lots of people think that - sensible in their own ways. i think so. lots of people think that that l so. lots of people think that that is how— so. lots of people think that that is how we — so. lots of people think that that is how we should be running our lives _ is how we should be running our lives and — is how we should be running our lives and our societies, without state _ lives and our societies, without state interference. lots of people think— state interference. lots of people think this — state interference. lots of people think this is an abnegation by the government of responsibility, hitting — government of responsibility, hitting a — government of responsibility, hitting a brick we are getting any information, it's up to you what you do at _ information, it's up to you what you do at that — information, it's up to you what you do at that. this comes down to an ideological— do at that. this comes down to an ideological battle as much as a practical— ideological battle as much as a practical one. i think certainly commit — practical one. i think certainly commit does not help when you do here at— commit does not help when you do here at the — commit does not help when you do here at the slightly mixed messages, the government says one thing, and scientists— the government says one thing, and scientists and other postop rules for one. — scientists and other postop rules for one, rose for everybody else, which _ for one, rose for everybody else, which doesn't help, and it does end up, which doesn't help, and it does end tip, it— which doesn't help, and it does end up. it gives — which doesn't help, and it does end up, it gives people ammunition to say, you _ up, it gives people ammunition to say, you know what, i'm going to follow _ say, you know what, i'm going to follow my— say, you know what, i'm going to follow my own rules, because nobody else is _ follow my own rules, because nobody else is following the rules either. i else is following the rules either. i don't _ else is following the rules either. i don't think that is helpful. i idon't think that is helpful. i think— i don't think that is helpful. i think it's _ i don't think that is helpful. i think it's pretty much as tony said, we have _ think it's pretty much as tony said, we have information from scientists. the government has to balance it all out. the government has to balance it all out the _ the government has to balance it all out the pie — the government has to balance it all out. the pie only has so many resources _ out. the pie only has so many resources and money in it, and the one thing _ resources and money in it, and the one thing they do want as we have seen _ one thing they do want as we have seen after— one thing they do want as we have seen after two years of slightly shredded society is that we do need to keep _ shredded society is that we do need to keep everything going, otherwise other stories come out, nhs problems and hospital problems and schooling problems _ and hospital problems and schooling problems. this is all much above our pay grade, _ problems. this is all much above our pay grade, thankfully, but this is classically, this is a little vortex of all— classically, this is a little vortex of all of— classically, this is a little vortex of all of those battles now happening as we approach christmas. talk happening as we approach christmas. taik to— happening as we approach christmas. taik to us— happening as we approach christmas. talk to us about the story on the times. throughout legal briefings. feels like there could be a clash again between the judiciary and politicians. it again between the 'udiciary and oliticians. , ., , ., again between the 'udiciary and pennant politicians. it is a big old battle cry headlined _ politicians. it is a big old battle cry headlined during _ politicians. it is a big old battle cry headlined during out - politicians. it is a big old battle cry headlined during out legali cry headlined during out legal rulings. — cry headlined during out legal rulings, we have had fisticuffs like this ever— rulings, we have had fisticuffs like this ever since the days of brexit. you know— this ever since the days of brexit. you know this has been happening for 50 years. _ you know this has been happening for 50 years, but, yes, we know that boris _ 50 years, but, yes, we know that borisjohnson has form 50 years, but, yes, we know that boris johnson has form when 50 years, but, yes, we know that borisjohnson has form when it comes to taking _ borisjohnson has form when it comes to taking on _ borisjohnson has form when it comes to taking on the judges. if you read into the _ to taking on the judges. if you read into the small print, exile a bit more _ into the small print, exile a bit more seemly. it'sjust about suspending judgement and getting politicians more time to decide. i personally. — politicians more time to decide. i personally, i'm of two minds, because — personally, i'm of two minds, because on the one hand i believe in the separation of the state and courts, and on the other hand, one of the _ courts, and on the other hand, one of the things — courts, and on the other hand, one of the things that has caused this to happen — of the things that has caused this to happen is this big row about privacy— to happen is this big row about privacy versus free speech caused by the mail— privacy versus free speech caused by the mail and send privacy versus free speech caused by the mailand send it privacy versus free speech caused by the mail and send it this weekend, as a journalist, of course i will fall down— as a journalist, of course i will fall down on free speech, such copy in the _ fall down on free speech, such copy in the hot. — fall down on free speech, such copy in the hot, this one. a fall down on free speech, such copy in the hot, this one.— in the hot, this one. a lot of human riahts in the hot, this one. a lot of human rights lawyers _ in the hot, this one. a lot of human rights lawyers filed _ in the hot, this one. a lot of human rights lawyers filed on _ in the hot, this one. a lot of human rights lawyers filed on the - in the hot, this one. a lot of human rights lawyers filed on the side - rights lawyers filed on the side of peace —— free speech as well, tony. is this interference by politicians and judicial matters again? in is this interference by politicians and judicial matters again? andjudicial matters again? in my mind commits _ andjudicial matters again? in my mind commits the _ andjudicial matters again? in my mind commits the complete - and judicial matters again? in my mind commits the complete opposite. parliament to make laws in this country, notjudges. if there's going to be a change in privacy laws in this country, that decision will be a member of parliament, not by judges. i don't have a massive problem at this. what they are proposing is that the courts were against the government, the government will introduce legislation that well, in its main, correct, the government's feel of what the rule should be rather than the judge's field what it will be. getting this to parliament isn't as easy as it sounds, considering it has to go to the house of lords. caroline is shaking her head. i think it comes down to who you trust to be _ think it comes down to who you trust to be directory on the pitch, and that may— to be directory on the pitch, and that may happen when you trust your parliamentarians to uphold those laws themselves, and to honour those, _ laws themselves, and to honour those, but — laws themselves, and to honour those, but in particular times, laws themselves, and to honour those, but in particulartimes, not saying _ those, but in particulartimes, not saying necessarily this era, but in particular— saying necessarily this era, but in particular times when the referees be trusted — particular times when the referees be trusted and you think... i would rather— be trusted and you think... i would rather have — be trusted and you think... i would rather have it in the hands of the courts, _ rather have it in the hands of the courts, as — rather have it in the hands of the courts, as a _ rather have it in the hands of the courts, as a dispassionate referee, rather— courts, as a dispassionate referee, rather than — courts, as a dispassionate referee, rather than the... so courts, as a dispassionate referee, rather than the. . ._ rather than the... so you want to chance rather than the... so you want to change the _ rather than the... so you want to change the entire _ rather than the... so you want to change the entire constitutional. change the entire constitutional element of the uk because you are unhappy have borisjohnson, it seems like a bit of an overreaction stop that i think we will have to battle the sun out, tony. hat that i think we will have to battle the sun out, tony.— the sun out, tony. not here. i am not refereeing _ the sun out, tony. not here. i am| not refereeing that's fun. i haven't got the time. i need to talk next about the guardian. wealthier drug users face losing their passports. tony. users face losing their passports. ton . , , users face losing their passports. ton. , , , users face losing their passports. ton. , , ., tony. yes, so this is a bit of headline — tony. yes, so this is a bit of headline that _ tony. yes, so this is a bit of headline that says - tony. yes, so this is a bit of headline that says that - headline that says that middle—class... they don't describe middle—class... they don't describe middle—class or what kind of drugs they take her but they're not it will be there for his defence that they could face penalties, and this is one of the places where, you know, judges do have some leeway in terms of how they sentence people. my terms of how they sentence people. my understanding is that, actually, this will be for people who refuse to be had, which in itself replies —— a positive on who uses drugs requires rehab, which is not actually the case. i don't think it's as clear cut as it looks, but i suspect this is because downing street has done some pulling in some testing with motor is coming this idea of no class drug users goes down very well with the sort of people that the government wants to attract in terms of votes in the next election, but it's part of a larger group of measures that the government will be announcing later in the week to deal with a much more serious issue of dealing with county lines, drug dealing, which often involves young children. caroline, talk less about _ involves young children. caroline, talk less about the _ involves young children. caroline, talk less about the storm - involves young children. caroline, talk less about the storm coming. you better watch out, says that metro stop the it's more bad news for the north of england, and scotland, unfortunately. they have had their fair share, scotland, unfortunately. they have had theirfair share, more than theirfair share, the only name storm so far has it been hard, and lots of households are still recovering. we heard earlier that fortunately, scott and have had power restored, but i think there are a lot of people still suffering and it looks like they will have to back down the hinges once again over the next few days because once again, it is coming their way. sad to hear, but i hope that they are ready for it. according to ian finley and twitter, strorm barra takes its name from saint finn bear of cork. did you know that? haifa. takes its name from saint finn bear of cork. did you know that? now. no, i did not of cork. did you know that? now. no, i did not know — of cork. did you know that? now. no, i did not know that. _ of cork. did you know that? now. no, i did not know that. and _ of cork. did you know that? now. no, i did not know that. and also, - of cork. did you know that? now. no, i did not know that. and also, i'm - i did not know that. and also, i'm not disparaging the present invention that just not disparaging the present invention thatjust because something is set and twitter doesn't make a trip. i would trust that. i make a trip. i would trust that. i trust ian implicitly. how dare you. as eric dignan caroline missing this is the last thing people need thousands of homes still don't have power is switched on. stop and are back online, thankfully, but hopefully that will continue. fingers crossed, it sounds like it's going to be another really dicey few days for people who live in the north of england and in scotland, also ijust north of england and in scotland, also i just wanted north of england and in scotland, also ijust wanted to say, you know, the reason that power has been restricted so many homes is because engineers are out there in all weather working to try to restart that power, so it's important to acknowledge that there are people working hard during these israeli very difficult storms.— working hard during these israeli very difficult storms. thousands of thou . hts very difficult storms. thousands of thoughts that _ very difficult storms. thousands of thoughts that they _ very difficult storms. thousands of thoughts that they have _ very difficult storms. thousands of thoughts that they have had - very difficult storms. thousands of thoughts that they have had to - thoughts that they have had to correct, but the communication, the scale of the problem has been a criticism of a lot of people, saying theyjust criticism of a lot of people, saying they just didn't criticism of a lot of people, saying theyjust didn't know what criticism of a lot of people, saying they just didn't know what was criticism of a lot of people, saying theyjust didn't know what was going on. they 'ust didn't know what was going on. ~ . , , ., , they 'ust didn't know what was going on. , ,., on. may people said -- should watch bbc news marfan _ on. may people said -- should watch bbc news marfan stop _ on. may people said -- should watch bbc news marfan stopjust _ on. may people said -- should watch bbc news marfan stopjust a - bbc news marfan stop just a rejection. i bbc news marfan stop 'ust a re'ection. ., ., bbc news marfan stop 'ust a rejectiomfi bbc news marfan stop 'ust a re'ection. ., ., ., ., rejection. i all for that, or the that local _ rejection. i all for that, or the that local radio _ rejection. i all for that, or the that local radio station. - rejection. i all for that, or the that local radio station. the l that local radio station. the problem is they have no power, they couldn't. i problem is they have no power, they couldn't. ~ , ., , couldn't. i think some people need to realise reading _ couldn't. i think some people need to realise reading doesn't - couldn't. i think some people need to realise reading doesn't require l to realise reading doesn't require electricity. to realise reading doesn't require electrici . . ., ., to realise reading doesn't require electrici . . .., ,. , electricity. have a old school. this story depresses — electricity. have a old school. this story depresses me, _ electricity. have a old school. this story depresses me, to _ electricity. have a old school. this story depresses me, to no - electricity. have a old school. this story depresses me, to no end. i electricity. have a old school. this. story depresses me, to no end. the daily telegraph says, "say cheese, but not if you want to look young." carolina smiling and she looks beautiful young, fresh faced. what is this all about? so beautiful young, fresh faced. what is this all about?— is this all about? so this is a horrible story, _ is this all about? so this is a horrible story, saying - is this all about? so this is a horrible story, saying that l horrible story, saying that basically, say cheese if you want to look nice _ basically, say cheese if you want to look nice in— basically, say cheese if you want to look nice in a picture, nancy mitford, _ look nice in a picture, nancy mitford, her character has always said brush. — mitford, her character has always said brush, not to smile and not cheese — said brush, not to smile and not cheese. but it makes you look all there _ cheese. but it makes you look all there. apparently, according to a ruthless— there. apparently, according to a ruthless paul of different people, lots of _ ruthless paul of different people, lots of young faces when they smiled and photographs were considered across— and photographs were considered across the board to be looking older~ — across the board to be looking older. however, iwould say across the board to be looking older. however, i would say that the caveat _ older. however, i would say that the caveat to _ older. however, i would say that the caveat to that is somebody, please do tweet _ caveat to that is somebody, please do tweet me if you know who said to set that _ do tweet me if you know who said to set that up— do tweet me if you know who said to set that up to 40, you get that face that god _ set that up to 40, you get that face that god gave you, and after 40 can you get _ that god gave you, and after 40 can you get the — that god gave you, and after 40 can you get the faith you deserve, so -ive you get the faith you deserve, so give me — you get the faith you deserve, so give me the smiling crinkly face of judy dench give me the smiling crinkly face of judy bench and her dotage, and that would _ judy bench and her dotage, and that would keep me happy. and judy dench and her dotage, and that would keep me happy.— judy bench and her dotage, and that would keep me happy.— would keep me happy. and look at ou. would keep me happy. and look at you- perfect _ would keep me happy. and look at you- perfect for— would keep me happy. and look at you. perfect for zack _ would keep me happy. and look at you. perfect for zack there, - would keep me happy. and look at you. perfect for zack there, tony. | you. perfect for zack there, tony. have you got that face you deserve? , six and they, yes. i would say so. but don't stop smiling, martin. j but don't stop smiling, martin. i couldn't, i contend i have all the lines to show for it. some of the poses that you see on instagram, all that sort of pouting that goes on, tyra brings the model used to say you smile with your eyes, but not with your mouth. it's just too difficult. i with your mouth. it's 'ust too difficult. ., �* , ., difficult. i don't even understand what that means. _ difficult. i don't even understand what that means. you _ difficult. i don't even understand what that means. you haven't i difficult. i don't even understand - what that means. you haven't watched enou:h of what that means. you haven't watched enough of america's _ what that means. you haven't watched enough of america's next _ what that means. you haven't watched enough of america's next top - what that means. you haven't watched enough of america's next top model. . enough of america's next top model. i think caroline knows what i'm talking about. the neck i do, i do. lovely to see her smiling faces virtually. i hope eventually conceived and imprisoned. tony, caroline, always a treat to have you on, and you know twitter loves you. thank you very much for being with us tonight, that's it for the papers, don't forget to buy one in the morning or subscribe to one if you are digitally minded. coming up next, time for the film review. thank you, and on. that night, everybody. —— thank you, and emma. hello, and a very warm welcome again to the film review on bbc news and, as you see, taking us through this week's releases, mark kermode is back. what have you been watching, mark? something for everyone. we have c'mon c'mon, which is the new film starring joaquin phoenix. we have encounter, in which riz ahmed struggles to save his kids from alien invaders. and silent night — a very unhappy christmas. the christmas films are here already. they are. let's start with c'mon c'mon.

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