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wealth who are reimagining the scottish landscape in our day. allan little, bbc news, in the highlands. that's it. newsnight is about to start over on bbc two with a special programme on the migrant crisis. now on bbc one, time for the news where you are. have a very good night. hello. a fresh and sunny day awaits for most on thursday after a widely cold start, a frost in places. there will be some lingering cloud, patchy drizzle from the overnight across parts of southeast and the channel islands, wintry showers continue in northern scotland. snow falling to lower levels, giving a slight covering in places. elsewhere, the odd wintry shower possible around the coast, hail, maybe a bit of sleet over any higher ground. more showers in the far north of scotland, developing a bit more widely in northern ireland throughout the day, but for most, they stay dry and sunny, and it's cold, 5—9 celsius, down on what we'd normally expected at this stage in november. but temperatures actually lift up a bit across the north and the west through thursday night into friday morning, as outbreaks of rain spread in ahead of what could be quite a potent area of low pressure. it spreads its way southwards and eastward through friday and into the start of the weekend, potentially bringing in not only widespread gales but, for some of you, damaging gusts of wind to take you through friday night and into saturday morning. and, as cold air starts to dig in, as well, the potential that we could see some sleet and snow in places even further south, but certainly blizzards over scottish hills. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are the political writer and academic, maya goodfellow, and the sunday times media editor, rosamund urwin. let's take a look at some of tomorrow's front pages. newly appointed, congratulations 22. the tragedy in the english channel dominates tomorrow's front pages. the telegraph says five women and one child are among the 31 people who died while trying to reach the uk by boat, in search of a better life. —— congratulations to rosamund. the front page of the i has a picture of a group of migrants carrying a dingy boat, preparing to leave the french coast to cross the english channel. the paper says this particular group's progress is unknown. the guardian is reporting that two survivors of the tragedy are in intensive care, while police have arrested four people suspected of being linked to the drownings. why didn't france stop them, is the question on the front page of tomorrow's metro. a human tragedy. the mirror has a picture of a group of migrant children in a separate boat, who survived a journey across the english channel. they were taken into custody here. maya and rosamund, thank you for joining us this evening. it's a rather sombre set of front pages. maya, do you want to kick off with the front of the i?— the front of the i? yeah, the front ofthe the front of the i? yeah, the front of the i, what _ the front of the i? yeah, the front of the i, what has _ the front of the i? yeah, the front of the i, what has happened in - the front of the i? yeah, the front| of the i, what has happened in the channel. i think there's a number of things to say about this. this is absolutely devastating news, but i think one thing we need to understand is it isn't actually surprising. in large part, it is because of the government's policy, and this was entirely avoidable. i think we have to get to grips with what's happening here. i work and study migration. i've looked into theseissues study migration. i've looked into these issues for years, and what we know is that when government policy makes it incredibly difficult to get to countries like the uk, people end “p to countries like the uk, people end up taking very, very riskyjourneys. they know what they're doing, they get in these boats and pay large amounts of money because they have no choice. this is happening because there are so few safe routes of travel for people to come to this country and claim asylum. for most people, you have to be in this country in order to claim asylum. people use smugglers because they don't have other options. what we're seeing is the outcome of very harsh border policies. we've known for a very long time that's what these border policies do, and the government is still continuing to and limit them.— government is still continuing to and limit them. ., , ., ., and limit them. rosamund, we heard from the french _ and limit them. rosamund, we heard from the french interior _ and limit them. rosamund, we heard from the french interior minister- from the french interior minister this evening that they push back or rescued nearly 18,000 migrants —— 8000 migrants. they say they stepped up 8000 migrants. they say they stepped up their boats, but we are told despite that, three times as many migrants as compared to last year. there isn't some detail in this. it's fascinating to hear them speaking because he was talking about all these migrants coming from belgium within the last few hours before they set sail. almost none of them were at the camp at calais or any other place where we tend to associate them. it was organised transfer. the boats were bought in germany and driven by some kind of articulated vehicle so they can be provided. we seen pictures of people and life jackets because they want insurance is about their safety. this is an industrial scale operation. this is an industrial scale operation-— this is an industrial scale oeration. �*, . . _ operation. it's an incredibly sophisticated _ operation. it's an incredibly sophisticated operation. i operation. it's an incredibly sophisticated operation. at| operation. it's an incredibly - sophisticated operation. at the same time, _ sophisticated operation. at the same time, it's_ sophisticated operation. at the same time, it's unsophisticated in other ways— time, it's unsophisticated in other ways because they may have life jackets, — ways because they may have life jackets, but as the charities have talked _ jackets, but as the charities have talked about, they don't know that those life — talked about, they don't know that those life jackets work. quite often, — those life jackets work. quite often, it _ those life jackets work. quite often, it turns out that those life jackets _ often, it turns out that those life jackets do — often, it turns out that those life jackets do not save your life, but they're _ jackets do not save your life, but they're basically fake. it's sophisticated in the sense of moving people _ sophisticated in the sense of moving people and the cost that people are paying _ people and the cost that people are paying is_ people and the cost that people are paying is extraordinary for an incredibly unsafe journey, and i agree _ incredibly unsafe journey, and i agree with maya this is not in any way surprising. it's obviously absolutely horrifying, and the power of those _ absolutely horrifying, and the power of those front pages is important. these _ of those front pages is important. these lives — of those front pages is important. these lives deserved to be remembered, but this should never have tteen— remembered, but this should never have been allowed to happen. 0ne have been allowed to happen. one thing _ have been allowed to happen. one thing that— have been allowed to happen. one thing that struck me about this is we're _ thing that struck me about this is we're not — thing that struck me about this is we're not actually talking about the fact that _ we're not actually talking about the fact that brexit has played a part in this _ fact that brexit has played a part in this. we've seen the fact that the number of people crossing has risen _ the number of people crossing has risen sharply. part of that is we don't _ risen sharply. part of that is we don't have _ risen sharply. part of that is we don't have the relationship that make _ don't have the relationship that make this — don't have the relationship that make this things manageable. the irony— make this things manageable. the irony of— make this things manageable. the irony of the government talking about— irony of the government talking about brexit taking back control of our borders when actually, the opposite — our borders when actually, the opposite has happened. this is the human— opposite has happened. this is the human side and we should be focusing on the _ human side and we should be focusing on the human element.— on the human element. you're right, on the human element. you're right, on the human element. you're right, on the paper— on the human element. you're right, on the paper so _ on the human element. you're right, on the paper so emphasise _ on the human element. you're right, on the paper so emphasise that. - we don't have their relationships, but i remember visiting malta when we were well inside the eu when jackie smith was labour home secretary. i remember hearing they had arrangements and agreements about sharing. he said it never happens. he says he's been in meetings with alma affairs —— home affairs counsellor. he said the fact that the british... but british public opinion will not wear it. the same is due in other countries. this is part of the problem. even if we have those good relationships, there is it something that always gets in the way of a fair distribution of people who are looking for a different life. i people who are looking for a different life.— people who are looking for a different life. i think there's a number of — different life. i think there's a number of things _ different life. i think there's a number of things to - different life. i think there's a number of things to point - different life. i think there's a | number of things to point out. different life. i think there's a - number of things to point out. this is a european wide problem in terms of a very, very harsh anti—asylum rest of rhetoric. we are talking about people who are trying to claim refugee status. talks about an incredibly do humanising and terms. we're talking about human beings, because they may be have family and friends here, and that's always from the picture. the uk has a very small numbers of refugees. i'm loath to talk about the numbers because i think it's dehumanising, but i think the pictures governments paid around asylum is always very misleading. what you find is these issues... it was the same in 2015. it's talking about a migrant crash as far as if it's a crisis for the countries that people are trying to —— migrant crisis. and i really cannot stress enough here that people are having to make these... enough here that people are having to make these. . ._ to make these... forgive me, you said it's government _ to make these... forgive me, you said it's government vault. - to make these... forgive me, you said it's government vault. it's - to make these... forgive me, you said it's government vault. it's a l said its government vault. it's a bit unreasonable to say it's all the government's fault. let me finish. the people smugglers wouldn't vanish overnight. there's big money to be made. you always find people who want to come who wouldn't go the legitimate route because they're worried they wouldn't meet the criteria and be sent back. i criteria and be sent back. i think there are two — criteria and be sent back. i think there are two things _ criteria and be sent back. i think there are two things to - criteria and be sent back. i think there are two things to point - criteria and be sent back. i thinkl there are two things to point out. the academic work shows the business level for smugglers is fuelled by the policies we have in place from governments around europe. the second thing is we really need to focus on exactly what is happening, which is people are risking their lives because there are so few safe routes. if you look at the number of people who come to the uk, it's incredibly small through these routes. if you're in calais and want to come to the uk because you speak english or you have family here, it's very, very difficult to do so. instead of thinking about what was happening, you made these routes more viable, creating these future problems. i think we should deal with the issue now, and the core issueis with the issue now, and the core issue is that all the work shows that when you have these stricter borders which the government is forging ahead with, you make the situation worse. people have already been dying in the channel and more have not died, so we need to reflect on how we can make sure that people don't have to risk their lives in these great numbers, and it is within government power to make those decisions.— those decisions. thank you very much. the telegraph has a very poignant picture of a boy being carried off by a lifeboat. it's endured some criticism for its role, but has a obligation not to let people drown. 0ften obligation not to let people drown. often to no benefit of their own, some financial costs and trying to help in dealing with this problem. we'll move to the metro, why didn't francis stop them? it's a legitimate question, albeit something maya was saying, but they didn't stop all boats. the i was saying included a schism from police. —— criticism. we have stopped nearly 8000 this year. yes, and this is the broader political— yes, and this is the broader political context. it is important, but clearly, we mustn't forget there's— but clearly, we mustn't forget there's a _ but clearly, we mustn't forget there's a fixture of children who are desperate getting into terrifying situations. these situations. it feels like they're in the middle of a fight — it feels like they're in the middle of a fight france and the uk, and that feels— of a fight france and the uk, and that feels fundamentally cruel. this has been _ that feels fundamentally cruel. this has been the result of it. we have heard the — has been the result of it. we have heard the home office putting out plans _ heard the home office putting out plans for— heard the home office putting out plans for border force vessels to push _ plans for border force vessels to push dinghies back into french waters — push dinghies back into french waters. that is not showing a concern — waters. that is not showing a concern for people's safety at all. ithink— concern for people's safety at all. i think there's another thing to say here about — i think there's another thing to say here about migration more broadly, which _ here about migration more broadly, which is _ here about migration more broadly, which is that of course,

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