the us as three men have been found guilty of a black man he was out jogging guilty of a black man he was out jogging when they stopped him and shot him dead. we jogging when they stopped him and shot him dead.— shot him dead. we the “my find the defendant travis h shot him dead. we the jury find the defendant travis mcmichael - shot him dead. we the jury find the defendant travis mcmichael guilty. | we are going to continue bbc news' coverage of the unfolding situation in the english channel. at least 31 people have drowned after a boat carrying migrants capsized. the boat was attempting to cross from france to england when it sank off the french coast. french police say the boat set out from dunkirk, east of calais, with around 50 people on board. here's the british prime minister borisjohnson. i just want to say that i'm shocked and appalled and deeply saddened by the loss of life at sea in the channel. i think that the details are still coming in, but more than 20 people have lost their lives, as you know, and my thoughts and sympathies are first of all with the victims and their families. and it's an appalling thing that they have suffered. but i also want to say that this disaster underscores how dangerous it is to cross the channel in this way. and it also shows how vital it is that we now step up our efforts to break the business model of the gangsters who are sending people to see in this way. and that's why it's so important that we accelerate if we possibly can all the measures contained in our borders and nationalities bill so that we distinguish people who come here legally and people who come here illegally. but we also use every power that we can, we leave no stone unturned to demolish the business proposition of the human traffickers and the gangsters. and, of course, we have to work with our french friends, with our european partners, and i say to our partners across the channel now is the time for us all to step up, to work together to do everything we can to break these gangs who are literally getting away with murder. we have also heard from the president of france. the french minister of the interior gerald darmanin is visiting a hospital in calais. reuters reporting that he is saying for traffickers have been arrested for traffickers have been arrested for the incident today and also saying that five women and one little girl are among the victims. here is the mayor of calais. translation:— here is the mayor of calais. translation: �* ., , ., , translation: bloom at this tragedy is the result of _ translation: bloom at this tragedy is the result of several _ translation: bloom at this tragedy is the result of several successive - is the result of several successive failures in immigration policy. it is the failure of borisjohnson. our region has and to take on extra measures because he does not have the courage to take responsibility. we need to react and react quickly. all this must stop. we should not be waiting for tragedies to act. what angers me the most this evening is that for several weeks i've been alerting members of the government to warn them that there was exceptional pressure at this moment. you schofield is live with us. what more do we know about these people smuggling operations? the? more do we know about these people smuggling operations?— smuggling operations? they are very exensive smuggling operations? they are very expensive indeed. _ smuggling operations? they are very expensive indeed. you _ smuggling operations? they are very expensive indeed. you quoted - smuggling operations? they are very expensive indeed. you quoted the i expensive indeed. you quoted the french_ expensive indeed. you quoted the french interior minister who has 'ust french interior minister who has just spoken in the last five minutes up just spoken in the last five minutes up at _ just spoken in the last five minutes up at calais — just spoken in the last five minutes up at calais and given the details, definitive — up at calais and given the details, definitive figures really on the tragedx — definitive figures really on the tragedy. 31 dad it, one missing and to survivors — tragedy. 31 dad it, one missing and to survivors and as you say five women — to survivors and as you say five women and _ to survivors and as you say five women and a little girl among the dead _ women and a little girl among the dead he — women and a little girl among the dead. he does not know the nationality, he says it has not been made _ nationality, he says it has not been made clear— nationality, he says it has not been made clear yet. we will have to wait _ made clear yet. we will have to wait but — made clear yet. we will have to wait. but he also mentioned arrests of four— wait. but he also mentioned arrests of four people smugglers near the belgian— of four people smugglers near the belgian border. what he said repeatedly in this ten—minute intervention on tellyjust now is that this — intervention on tellyjust now is that this was an international problem _ that this was an international problem. this was very much the message — problem. this was very much the message that he is trying to get across— message that he is trying to get across were at least one of them, that if— across were at least one of them, that if this — across were at least one of them, that if this is going to lead to a kind _ that if this is going to lead to a kind of— that if this is going to lead to a kind of reassessment of the problem, it wiii— kind of reassessment of the problem, it will be _ kind of reassessment of the problem, it will be a _ kind of reassessment of the problem, it will be a reassessment on the international, european scale. he was saying— international, european scale. he was saying that for example 50% of those _ was saying that for example 50% of those crossing are coming from belgium — those crossing are coming from belgium before they arrive in france and often _ belgium before they arrive in france and oftenjust belgium before they arrive in france and often just before belgium before they arrive in france and oftenjust before they belgium before they arrive in france and often just before they take their— and often just before they take their bow and the zodiac boats which take them _ their bow and the zodiac boats which take them across our brink bought in germany— take them across our brink bought in germany 400 or 500 climbers away and brought in— germany 400 or 500 climbers away and brought in lloris to the coastjust before _ brought in lloris to the coastjust before they're put into the water. there _ before they're put into the water. there is _ before they're put into the water. there is a — before they're put into the water. there is a big operation under way by the _ there is a big operation under way by the gangs. it's far bigger than what _ by the gangs. it's far bigger than what was — by the gangs. it's far bigger than what was the case a couple of years a -o what was the case a couple of years ago or— what was the case a couple of years ago or earlier this year where the impression — ago or earlier this year where the impression you had was that it was people _ impression you had was that it was people going around the caps which are grown— people going around the caps which are grown up calais in dunkirk needlessly commits what it will show you how _ needlessly commits what it will show you how to— needlessly commits what it will show you how to get across. this is something _ you how to get across. this is something being organised way back as of the _ something being organised way back as of the interior of europe with tentacles — as of the interior of europe with tentacles and roots which extend back and — tentacles and roots which extend back and may well back to the polish and belarusian border. it's on that ievet~ _ and belarusian border. it's on that ievet~ so _ and belarusian border. it's on that level. so the response as the interior— level. so the response as the interior minister and the president's message as well is he is caiiing _ president's message as well is he is caiiing for— president's message as well is he is calling for an urgent eu meeting and a iroosting _ calling for an urgent eu meeting and a boosting of the border force is is is no _ a boosting of the border force is is is no longer— a boosting of the border force is is is no longer something which isjust britain _ is no longer something which isjust britain and — is no longer something which isjust britain and france but something that needs to be addressed at a much greater— that needs to be addressed at a much greater scale and level. for that needs to be addressed at a much greater scale and level.— greater scale and level. for the moment. _ greater scale and level. for the moment, thank _ greater scale and level. for the moment, thank you _ greater scale and level. for the moment, thank you very - greater scale and level. for the moment, thank you very much | greater scale and level. for the - moment, thank you very much indeed. to reiterate what we know, at least 31 people have died after a boat carrying migrants capsized in the english channel. it had set off from close to dunkirk which is near calais on the north coast of france heading towards cannes in the southeast of england but it did not reach it. we don't have a final total for the reach it. we don't have a final totalfor the number on board but at the moment 31 people are confirmed to have lost their lives and in addition the french interior minister is a net for traffickers linked to today's incident had been arrested and we also know the interior minister says at least five women and one little girl are among those who have died. also boris johnson has reiterated that new measures will be needed to crack down on people smugglers as he was just explaining in the fridge are now say this will require a response that goes beyond only france and the uk. bear in mind in the summer, several months back, the uk and france cut a deal where the uk gave france cut a deal where the uk gave france over £50,000,000 towards france over £50 , 000 , 000 towards measures france over £50,000,000 towards measures to try to stop people making this journey but in the last few months we have seen the number of people attempting the journey and in some cases completing it going up shortly compared with earlier in the year and with the previous two years as well. we are going to keep updating you on the story through the hour on outside source but for the hour on outside source but for the moment i'm just going to turn away from that story to bring you another developing story. another story is breaking in the us — thejury has delivered its verdicts in the trial of three white men accused of murdering a black man, ahmaud arbery. all three convicted of murder. lets go straight to aleem maqbool is outside the court. tell us more about the vertex delivered. tell us more about the vertex delivered-— tell us more about the vertex delivered. ~ ., ., ., delivered. well, we have moved a little bit away _ delivered. well, we have moved a little bit away from _ delivered. well, we have moved a little bit away from the _ delivered. well, we have moved a| little bit away from the courthouse because there is a crowd outside thatis because there is a crowd outside that is now cheering. the cheering started as soon as those verdicts started as soon as those verdicts started to be read out. and this is all about a case that happened in february of last year, one of the big cases that led to a summer of racial reckoning here. of course george floyd is the one everyone around the world knows about, breonna taylor was another and this was also one. ahmaud arbery was jogging was also one. ahmaud arbery was jogging to a neighbourhood very close to his home when two men said later he fit the description of a burglary suspect, so of the arm themselves, jumped into a truck and chased after them and a third man, a neighbour, so this happening and he jumped into his truck as well and also followed and there was an altercation after ahmaud arbery was chased for five minutes which led to ahmaud arbery being shot dead. now, because of the racial make—up of the jury, which was comprised of 11 white people and just one black person even though this is a city that the majority black there was a lot of speculation about how they might interpret the facts of this case. so it was a huge amount of relief i think that supporters of the ahmaud arbery family cheered when those first verdicts were read out. travis mcmichael, the son of the three men who chased ahmaud arbery came it was found guilty on all counts. his father greg and the neighbour it were not found guilty on all counts but they were all found guilty on at least one felony murder count and so the minimum sentence for each of them is life in prison. sentence for each of them is life in rison. ,, ., , sentence for each of them is life in rison. ,, ._ , i. sentence for each of them is life in rison. ,, ., , i. ., sentence for each of them is life in rison. ,, , i. ., .,, prison. stay with us if you what was u . prison. stay with us if you what was u- i want prison. stay with us if you what was op i want to — prison. stay with us if you what was op i want to play — prison. stay with us if you what was up i want to play one _ prison. stay with us if you what was up i want to play one clip _ prison. stay with us if you what was up i want to play one clip from - up i want to play one clip from inside the court earlier because when thejudge began reading out the verdict for travis mcmichael, he had to stop as there was a reaction in the gallery. to stop as there was a reaction in the gallery-— the gallery. the verdict is as follows. in _ the gallery. the verdict is as follows. in the _ the gallery. the verdict is as follows. in the superior- the gallery. the verdict is as| follows. in the superior court the gallery. the verdict is as - follows. in the superior court of lenn _ follows. in the superior court of glynn county, state of georgia, state _ glynn county, state of georgia, state of — glynn county, state of georgia, state of georgia versus travis mcmichael, case number cr 00 0433, the jury— mcmichael, case number cr 00 0433, the jury verdict for count one, malice — the jury verdict for count one, malice murder, we the jury found the defendant travis mcmichael guilty. cheering. i'm going to ask whoeverjust made an outburst — i'm going to ask whoeverjust made an outburst to be removed from the court, _ an outburst to be removed from the court, please. find an outburst to be removed from the court. please-— court, please. and after that, the verdicts continue _ court, please. and after that, the verdicts continue to _ court, please. and after that, the verdicts continue to be _ court, please. and after that, the verdicts continue to be read - court, please. and after that, the verdicts continue to be read out. | court, please. and after that, the i verdicts continue to be read out. we could hear the relief of one person in the gallery there. i wonder if we've heard a more formal sum either from the family or the family's attorney. i from the family or the family's attorne . ., , from the family or the family's attorne . . , ., ., from the family or the family's attorne . ., , ., . . from the family or the family's attorne . . , ., ., ., attorney. i have yet to hear that as et. we attorney. i have yet to hear that as yet- we expect _ attorney. i have yet to hear that as yet. we expect certainly _ attorney. i have yet to hear that as yet. we expect certainly to - attorney. i have yet to hear that as yet. we expect certainly to hear. yet. we expect certainly to hear from ahmaud arbery�*s mother later in the day. i spoke to her before the trial. she had had obviously a very difficult time over the last couple of weeks to this trial and she had not watched the video that ultimately went viral and led to the arrest of these three men until the first day of the trial. and you've heard the sense of relief from one person as you say but ahmaud arbery�*s mother had seen what many people consider it very distasteful tactics by the defence in that courtroom just in the summing up, in the closing arguments, one of the prosecution... one of the defence lawyers read that referred to ahmaud arbery�*s dirty toenail. they suggested that somehow ahmaud arbery was in the wrong. he chose to run, he chose to fight, they said. and that's what not just he chose to fight, they said. and that's what notjust the he chose to fight, they said. and that's what not just the family he chose to fight, they said. and that's what notjust the family but a lot of the supporters had worried that this would not be the way the case had gone. another pivotal moment in terms of the dramatics inside the courthouse was last week, the ahmaud arbery family had invited the ahmaud arbery family had invited the veteran civil rights activist al sharpton to attend the court to might be in the courtroom to support the mother of ahmaud arbery. one of the mother of ahmaud arbery. one of the defence lawyers said he objected to prominent members of the african—american community being in court because it might put undue pressure on the jury. and so we had one day last week, last thursday, when more than 100 lives leaders from around the country came out here to protest. but that gives you a sense of why there was so much tension ahead of this verdict with people feeling that it might not go this way. people feeling that it might not go this wa . ., ~ people feeling that it might not go this wa . ., ,, i. people feeling that it might not go this wa . ., ~' ,, , people feeling that it might not go thiswa . ., ,, , . people feeling that it might not go thiswa . ., ~ , . ., this way. thank you very much for “oininu us this way. thank you very much for joining us from — this way. thank you very much for joining us from georgia. _ let's recap our top story. at least 31 people have drowned after a boat carrying migrants capsized. the boat was attempting to cross from france to england when it sank off the french coast. french police say the boat set out from dunkirk, east of calais, with around 50 people on board. let's look at some of the reaction. the french prime minister has tweeted, we've translated this... "the shipwreck in the channel is a tragedy. my thoughts are with the many missing and injured, victims of criminal smugglers who exploit their distress and misery." the french interior minister has tweeted, and we've translated... "strong emotion from the many deaths caused by the capsizing of a migrant boat in the english channel. we cannot say enough about the criminal nature of the smugglers who organise these crossings. i go there." the times columnist david aaronavitch writes... not everyone will agree with that analysis but there is already urgent discussion across typical spectrum in the uk about how the government policy should evolve. and here's the response from labour mp and shadow home secretary, nick thomas—symonds. first and foremost, i have to say that today is an extraordinarily sobering day. it's sobering for the uk, it's sobering for france, it's sobering for the international community. and what's happened, it seems tens of lives have been lost in the channel. it seems there may be more lives lost. it is a really poignant reminder of how dangerous these waters are, the busiest shipping lanes in the world. and it really now has to act as the most tragic of wake—up calls to redouble our efforts to make sure that people are not out on the water in these terrible makeshift boats risking their lives. i think firstly that whilst the stretch of coastline is obviously important, it's unrealistic to think that the entirety of that coastline can be patrolled. so, whilst those coastal patrols are an important part of our deal with the french authorities, in addition to that, we need to be looking at practical law enforcement action away from the coast as well. people don't become refugees in northern france. that is the response of the opposition labour party. many of the migrants across the of the english channel and migrants across the of the english channeland aim to migrants across the of the english channel and aim to land somewhere near the british poor of dover. natalie elphicke is the mp for dover. this is just such a tragedy, and everyone is absolutely shocked. i'm hearing that the numbers, as has been indicated, may be more than 20. certainly the latest update i've had is they may be as many as 30. so, it is a significant, appalling event to happen, and everyone isjust really shocked and concerned about it. the seas are incredibly dangerous all of the year, but particularly as winter approaches. and that's what i've been calling for some time to say that we must make sure that those boats are not leaving the french shores. it is an incredibly dangerous journey. there has been loss of life, and today we have seen unimaginable loss in a single event, and it cannot happen again. well, we have been in a system where the uk government has provided money and surveillance and a number of other forms of assistance to the french. now i do think the time has come to make sure that there are people on the beaches from the uk, from france and from other european countries, to make sure that there are patrols sufficient to stop the boats leaving, to make sure they are turned around while they are still close to french waters where it is much more safe to do so and to bring an end to the small boats crossings crisis. the people—smugglers do not care about the lives they are putting at risk. and further it will be heard there it has been confirmed in at least 31 people have drowned it from this capsizing. also from the french interior minister, a search party will continue to look for any survivors of this migrant boat that sank in the english channel. while the death toll currently stands at 31, we do not have a confirmed total for the number of people who were on this boat and the french authorities are confirming that that search will go on. also to reiterate in the last few minutes of the french interior minister has said that for traffickers linked to the incident today have been arrested. and on the french side, let's hear from jean—marc puissesseau, the head of the ports of calais and boulogne, speaking to my colleaguejane hill. i think people who lead the ship across, they are murderers. - the people who come over here in a really close to 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again. the weather conditions were i think it will happen again. the weather conditions were veryl think it will happen again. the i weather conditions were very poor indeed _ weather conditions were very poor indeed brie— weather conditions were very poor indeed. ~ :: weather conditions were very poor indeed. :: , ., indeed. we said 50 people in one boat, do indeed. we said 50 people in one boat. do we _ indeed. we said 50 people in one boat, do we assume _ indeed. we said 50 people in one boat, do we assume that - indeed. we said 50 people in one boat, do we assume that that i indeed. we said 50 people in one i boat, do we assume that that means that boat was very overcrowded, that that boat was very overcrowded, that that boat was not designed to hold 50 west maybe not but 50 people, if the sea is rough, some water gets into the boat and they are not able to take the waterway because they are so crowded and there is more more water. are so crowded and there is more more water-— are 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blowing on the north coast of france. tony smith is former head of the uk border force, now a global border security consultant. he said this was tragedy waiting to happen. i'm afraid that this was something that was going to occur if we could not fix this problem of cross channel migrants. it is something that has been escalating for some time now, and these waters come in particularly if the year draws on, are increasingly dangerous. these vessels are not seaworthy. they are being run by the human smugglers. they are overloaded, and they do not carry life—saving equipment. i'm afraid this was a tragedy waiting to happen. we must find a way of stopping these boats or i'm afraid more will drown. we need to do is work with the french government collaboratively on a joint mission to save lives. now that is what we are both obliged to do under the un convention of the law of the sea. we are obliged to say people who are in peril on international waters. now, the uk border force does that. if we find someone in uk territorial waters, first and foremost, our priority is to make sure they are safe and well. and they will be brought on board a cutter or they will be ensured they are escorted safely to a harbour where they can be made safe and well. that is our priority. we are not seeing that in french territorial waters. what we are seeing are boats being launched under the noses of the french police and being pushed out to sea until such time as they reach british territorial waters and we need to have a joint approach, joint interdiction on the high seas, joint rescue operations, and when somebody is found, they don't fear persecution either in the uk or france, they should be returned instantly to france where they can pursue if they want to make an asylum application, than they are in a safe third country and they can pursue it there. the french interior minister has given a detailed update and what we know so far, the number of people who have died in this capsizing is at least 31. they all drowned in the english channel. five women and one young girlare among english channel. five women and one young girl are among those killed. the number of people who have died is not yet definitive because their main questions about how many people were on board. and a search party will continue to look for survivors in the english channel. in addition, for traffickers linked to the incident today have been arrested close to the belgian border. lewis goodall, policy editor at bbc newsnight, is in dover. what further details can you give us about this route the migrants take because it is a route that's being used more and more in the last few months? ., ~ used more and more in the last few months? . ,, ., , , ., months? talking to experts about this to people _ months? talking to experts about this to people who _ months? talking to experts about this to people who have _ months? talking to experts about this to people who have been i this to people who have been familiar— this to people who have been familiar and this to people who have been familiarand he this to people who have been familiar and he just had tony and i have _ familiar and he just had tony and i have spoken him as well, they have been _ have spoken him as well, they have been taken — have spoken him as well, they have been taken aback byjust how many people _ been taken aback byjust how many people have turned to the english channel— people have turned to the english channel as a route because of course is not _ channel as a route because of course is not as— channel as a route because of course is not as if— channel as a route because of course is not as if the english channel has 'ust is not as if the english channel has just come — is not as if the english channel has just come out of nowhere. it's always— just come out of nowhere. it's always been there but traditionally it has— always been there but traditionally it has not— always been there but traditionally it has not been the preferred route for people — it has not been the preferred route for people trying to make that crossing _ for people trying to make that crossing. one of the reasons why some _ crossing. one of the reasons why some people have now taken to that crossing _ some people have now taken to that crossing is _ some people have now taken to that crossing is to some extent the victim — crossing is to some extent the victim of— crossing is to some extent the victim of the british and french government's own success. they have been very— government's own success. they have been very successful at clamping down _ been very successful at clamping down and — been very successful at clamping down and reducing the numbers on the manner— down and reducing the numbers on the manner in— down and reducing the numbers on the manner in which people use to go primarily— manner in which people use to go primarily which was of course on lloris _ primarily which was of course on lloris and — primarily which was of course on lloris and trucks via the channel tunnel— lloris and trucks via the channel tunnel and — lloris and trucks via the channel tunnel and so on. they have no got a lot of— tunnel and so on. they have no got a lot of technology there and have been _ lot of technology there and have been very— lot of technology there and have been very successful in reducing the numbers— been very successful in reducing the numbers and viability of that route. so the _ numbers and viability of that route. so the human smugglers have turned to the _ so the human smugglers have turned to the small boats on the sea. i think— to the small boats on the sea. i think all— to the small boats on the sea. i think all the experts thought as we -ot think all the experts thought as we got into— think all the experts thought as we got into the winter months, it would become _ got into the winter months, it would become so _ got into the winter months, it would become so dangerous and inhospitable the numbers would tail off and i think— the numbers would tail off and i think to — the numbers would tail off and i think to some extent what we have seen _ think to some extent what we have seen on _ think to some extent what we have seen on the — think to some extent what we have seen on the last 24 hours being in calais _ seen on the last 24 hours being in calais and — seen on the last 24 hours being in calais and dunkirk is a habit of the last couple — calais and dunkirk is a habit of the last couple of days, has been many people _ last couple of days, has been many people looking to try and make the crossing _ people looking to try and make the crossing today, i believe it least when _ crossing today, i believe it least when he — crossing today, i believe it least when he five crosses attempted to me because _ when he five crosses attempted to me because i_ when he five crosses attempted to me because i knew the weather over the next two _ because i knew the weather over the next two to — because i knew the weather over the next two to three days was forecast to get _ next two to three days was forecast to get very — next two to three days was forecast to get very severe indeed. so there was a _ to get very severe indeed. so there was a desire — to get very severe indeed. so there was a desire to try and push on as much _ was a desire to try and push on as much as— was a desire to try and push on as much as possible and it has led to a completely— much as possible and it has led to a completely predicted and predictable tragedv _ completely predicted and predictable tragedy. find completely predicted and predictable traced . �* , ., completely predicted and predictable traced . �* ., ., tragedy. and when you are having conversations _ tragedy. and when you are having conversations with _ tragedy. and when you are having conversations with migrants i tragedy. and when you are having conversations with migrants on i tragedy. and when you are havingl conversations with migrants on the north coast of france this week, and you asked them why don't you apply for asylum here in france, is an affluent western country like the uk is, why take on this journey, what was their answer? i is, why take on this “ourney, what was their answer?— was their answer? i think a few thins to was their answer? i think a few things to say — was their answer? i think a few things to say to _ was their answer? i think a few things to say to that _ was their answer? i think a few things to say to that and i was their answer? i think a few things to say to that and one i was their answer? i think a few| things to say to that and one bit of context— things to say to that and one bit of context and poorly is lots people do apply— context and poorly is lots people do apply for— context and poorly is lots people do apply for asylum in france must've ended _ apply for asylum in france must've ended the — apply for asylum in france must've ended the numbers who are applying for asylum _ ended the numbers who are applying for asylum in france and other eu countries — for asylum in france and other eu countries like germany do far outstrip— countries like germany do far outstrip those that we have seen in the uk _ outstrip those that we have seen in the uk so _ outstrip those that we have seen in the uk so lots people looking for asylum _ the uk so lots people looking for asylum do apply in france and other eu countries. to those who are still in the _ eu countries. to those who are still in the the _ eu countries. to those who are still in the the journey, there are a number— in the the journey, there are a number of— in the the journey, there are a number of reasons. one, it can be historic— number of reasons. one, it can be historic links — number of reasons. one, it can be historic links and often many i talk to or— historic links and often many i talk to or from — historic links and often many i talk to or from countries like iraq or afghanistan with countries that have traditional ties to the uk either historical— traditional ties to the uk either historical or recent. sometimes it's familv _ historical or recent. sometimes it's family. people if you think about it sometimes have lost everybody else in your— sometimes have lost everybody else in your family and are trying to escape — in your family and are trying to escape persecution and might know someone _ escape persecution and might know someone or know someone who knows someone _ someone or know someone who knows someone who might be able to give you some _ someone who might be able to give you some or to stay and so on when he reached — you some or to stay and so on when he reached a — you some or to stay and so on when he reached a country or give you some _ he reached a country or give you some sort— he reached a country or give you some sort of help when you get there — some sort of help when you get there. they might not know anyone in france _ there. they might not know anyone in france or— there. they might not know anyone in france or wherever they are. sometimes it is language. many people _ sometimes it is language. many people speak english but don't speak french— people speak english but don't speak french so— people speak english but don't speak french so desire to get on better in the uk _ french so desire to get on better in the uk once — french so desire to get on better in the uk once they arrive there and sometimes it was and i think perhaps the thing _ sometimes it was and i think perhaps the thing people appreciate the least, _ the thing people appreciate the least, it— the thing people appreciate the least, it is about how they are being — least, it is about how they are being treated in france. talking about— being treated in france. talking about the — being treated in france. talking about the camps and someone in france, _ about the camps and someone in france, i— about the camps and someone in france, i think that's where the charitable — france, i think that's where the charitable is a condition people are living _ charitable is a condition people are living in _ charitable is a condition people are living in. their base and living in the woods, _ living in. their base and living in the woods, in the streets, don't have _ the woods, in the streets, don't have toilets or anywhere to watch. there are — have toilets or anywhere to watch. there are kids, women, print women in someone, — there are kids, women, print women in someone, so it is police coming in someone, so it is police coming in dispersing the camps as they are on a regular— in dispersing the camps as they are on a regular basis so many people who are _ on a regular basis so many people who are trv— on a regular basis so many people who are try to make it to the uk don't _ who are try to make it to the uk don't feel— who are try to make it to the uk don't feel maybe this is right or wrong people can query this but they don't feel— wrong people can query this but they don't feel having seen this i feel they don't— don't feel having seen this i feel they don't feel that they are being treated _ they don't feel that they are being treated humanely in france and want to leave _ treated humanely in france and want to leave. and they believe they'll be treated better and more humanely in the _ be treated better and more humanely in the uk _ be treated better and more humanely in the uk. finally you are the policy— in the uk. finally you are the policy editor at newsnight solicited the detail of the policies of the home — the detail of the policies of the home secretary has been pursuing in recent— home secretary has been pursuing in recent months. why have they not been _ recent months. why have they not been able — recent months. why have they not been able to contain the number of people _ been able to contain the number of people trying to make this journey because _ people trying to make this journey because the government has set out in quite _ because the government has set out in quite stark language and its commitment to making this route unviable~ — commitment to making this route unviable. clearly not managing to do that. unviable. clearly not managing to do that i_ unviable. clearly not managing to do that ithink— unviable. clearly not managing to do that. i think there are a few reasons— that. i think there are a few reasons in— that. i think there are a few reasons in one is it's a very difficult _ reasons in one is it's a very difficult thing adjustably to manage over talking about miles and miles and miles— over talking about miles and miles and miles of coastline in either direction — and miles of coastline in either direction. it is not easy tojust stop— direction. it is not easy tojust stop all the boats. the british government was of the french are not doing _ government was of the french are not doing everything that they could but on that— doing everything that they could but on that note, the relation between the british— on that note, the relation between the british and french governments have not— the british and french governments have not been rosy of late. they been _ have not been rosy of late. they been suggestions that you could have a joint _ been suggestions that you could have a joint force patrolling the english channel— a joint force patrolling the english channel going and if that is better relations— channel going and if that is better relations and i think perhaps a bit more _ relations and i think perhaps a bit more discussion of that now. but i think— more discussion of that now. but i think a _ more discussion of that now. but i think a third — more discussion of that now. but i think a third bigger question about this is— think a third bigger question about this is the — think a third bigger question about this is the british government and the french— this is the british government and the french government at times understandably look to lay the blame of human _ understandably look to lay the blame of human smugglers and indeed these are international criminal gangs with no— are international criminal gangs with no regard for human life. they are not— with no regard for human life. they are not nice — with no regard for human life. they are not nice people in any way whatsoever. but i thought about the idea of— whatsoever. but i thought about the idea of trying to stop the pull factors— idea of trying to stop the pull factors give us it being appealing account— factors give us it being appealing account of the uk but at least in some _ account of the uk but at least in some cases may be some people are economic— some cases may be some people are economic migrants but in many cases we are _ economic migrants but in many cases we are talking about refugees come and talk— we are talking about refugees come and talk about people who fled the countries _ and talk about people who fled the countries as a result of persecution or the _ countries as a result of persecution or the government treating them very severely— or the government treating them very severely and harshly. in those circumstances, it is hard to imagine having _ circumstances, it is hard to imagine having inevitable you can make the uk or— having inevitable you can make the uk or france to reduce that bullfighter because by definition it's going to be better than what they're — it's going to be better than what they're fleeing from. so if you are trying _ they're fleeing from. so if you are trying to— they're fleeing from. so if you are trying to attend that policy that is always _ trying to attend that policy that is always going to be very difficult and there are critics who say that we needed — and there are critics who say that we needed to do instead is set up safe, _ we needed to do instead is set up safe, humane roots of asylum into the uk _ safe, humane roots of asylum into the uk and — safe, humane roots of asylum into the uk and therefore try and put the human— the uk and therefore try and put the human traffickers at a business in that way— human traffickers at a business in that way because in a way we are going _ that way because in a way we are going in— that way because in a way we are going in a — that way because in a way we are going in a moment would be simply you were _ going in a moment would be simply you were never going to stop it. very— you were never going to stop it. very useful, thank you very much indeed. louis good all the policy editor of bbc newsnight and follow him on twitter and he is updating the story all the time. if you're just running a scam lament develops. we know that he will people have drowned after a boat carrying migrants capsized, the ability to cross from france to england when it sank off the french coast and the french police are saying the boat set out from dunkirk, east of calais and had a round 50 people on board that we are not clear precisely how the people were on this boat. we know the channel is a popular route for migrants who are teaching to reach the uk and that something that lewis was alluding to in according to the french authorities, 31 one half thousand people attempted to get into the uk this route since the start of the year. according to the french authorities, 31,500 people attempted to leave for britain since the start of the year, and 7800 people have been rescued at sea. these totals have doubled since august. also a statement from the holmes or terry of the uk. the may bring you what she said. it reads... that's a statement from priti patel that we just received. also this graph shows the number of people crossing the english channel and 2021. that's in red. 2020 is yellow, 2019 is blue. you can see very clearly the numbers for this year far exceed the two previous years. we will speak to the founder of the calais light foundation. could you quickly explain what your organisation does, please? sure. i founded it six _ organisation does, please? sure. i founded it six years _ organisation does, please? sure. i founded it six years ago _ organisation does, please? sure. i founded it six years ago because i | founded it six years ago because i felt really really sorry for the refugees over there. i am a french teacher, i spent a lot of time in calais and i knew migrants here. i saw a lot of people in who had a heart for refugees but found it too difficult to go. i thought like a convoy, would like a mini travel agency. we book everything for people, we organise, fuel accommodation, everything to make it easy to people to say yes to go and volunteer for the three easy to people to say yes to go and volunteerfor the three main british charities in calais that support the refugees stranded there trying to get to the uk. so we go every three months and just for the weekend so people can see how easy it is to go in to help. and maybe start their own convoys and multiply the amount of volunteers because they are a huge need between the british charities. ~ ., ., huge need between the british charities. ~ . ., , ., huge need between the british charities. . ., ., ., , charities. what are your emotions toda as charities. what are your emotions today as you _ charities. what are your emotions today as you watch _ charities. what are your emotions today as you watch the _ charities. what are your emotions today as you watch the story i charities. what are your emotions i today as you watch the story unfold? i'm horrified. we are actually leaving on friday morning for our first convoy since january 2020 because of the pandemic would not been able to go. it's going to be a terribly sombre weekend for us. we are supplies of the refugees with their british people who see people like us, desperate human beings are living in the most inhuman conditions, they don't of water, they don't have food. they don't of hygiene, they don't of toilets, they were living in woods and fields and pushed right outside of town for them and they're living that way because they have overarching reasons to come to the uk. we go and support them in chasing that dream. i've seen people in calais on the beach, refugees lying on the beach staring at the sky, looking at the water thinking, you could see them thinking, do i go? i'm horrified that they've lived that dream and they've drowned.— that they've lived that dream and they've drowned. that they've lived that dream and the 've drowned. a, , , ., ., they've drowned. mary, when you have those conversations, _ they've drowned. mary, when you have those conversations, they _ they've drowned. mary, when you have those conversations, they clearly i those conversations, they clearly have reasons to leave their home country weather that syria or iran or iraq being three examples but what did they tell you when you say why do they want to come to the uk rather than france or to belgium or germany? rather than france or to belgium or german ? , ., ., , ., germany? first of all they have the ri . ht to germany? first of all they have the right to come _ germany? first of all they have the right to come here. _ germany? first of all they have the right to come here. we _ germany? first of all they have the right to come here. we signed up l germany? first of all they have the | right to come here. we signed up to the geneva convention in 1951 which means that they can go through the asylum process wherever they want to. they tell me that they have family here, family, they've got nothing left. wouldn't you want to come to where your family were? sent with billy the next secondly, many don't speak english. if i was in a run away and leave everything that i knew i would want to come somewhere where i communicate. i'm supporting about 17 refugees here now with others. tomorrow i'm taking two to the doctors because they cannot speak a word of english. but those that do speak english thank well, i can make a life here for myself, i can make a life here for myself, i can be with my uncle because great britain is great. and they are fair. and already as we've seen in belarus and poland they've experienced enormous hostility, very long years ofjourneys enormous hostility, very long years of journeys to enormous hostility, very long years ofjourneys to get to calais. they wouldn't make that suicidaljourney as we've seen today unless they were desperate, unless dc seems to them safer than what they've left behind. on the land they wouldn't take that journey. what i hope for is an end to the nationality on borders bills. i like for that to be scrapped. i'd like for the uk to start a safe passage to organise safe routes, save legal routes for them to start the process of asylum over the uk. whether that's emigration in calais or immigration further down the line. ., ~' ,, or immigration further down the line. . ,, ., or immigration further down the line. . ., ,, ., , line. thank you for speaking to us. we appreciate _ line. thank you for speaking to us. we appreciate you _ line. thank you for speaking to us. we appreciate you joining - line. thank you for speaking to us. we appreciate you joining us i line. thank you for speaking to us. | we appreciate you joining us today. mary was alluding to the national out the guy nationality and borders bill this is a piece of legislation that boris johnson bill this is a piece of legislation that borisjohnson and his government is looking to turn into law. we think it will become law most likely next year. it's got a lot of detail in it as you would imagine but it proposes to high—profile thing was at one is for the measures to try and disrupt the people smuggling operations that are often behind these journeys across the channel. the second thing is arguably proving more controversial at the moment is to treat people and their asylum requests differently according to how they make those asylum request was up so someone comes the boat, they will not have precisely the same experiences someone who has applied for asylum via what is called a recognised channel. that is being criticised by some lawyers and it breaks international law but at the moment the uk government, as a way of encouraging people not to come across a channel is proposing new legislation which would treat people applying for asylum via these recognise roots slightly differently to if people come across on a boat and then apply for asylum. it's called the nationality and borders bill. it's not law yet it is being proposed by borisjohnson's government. let's bring in simon jones might bbc collie who drawings we live from dover. sarma, you covered the story in detail for many months. i imagine sadly, this is in a particular surprise today. i months. i imagine sadly, this is in a particular surprise today.- a particular surprise today. i think the authorities _ a particular surprise today. i think the authorities on _ a particular surprise today. i think the authorities on both _ a particular surprise today. i think the authorities on both sides i a particular surprise today. i think the authorities on both sides of. a particular surprise today. i think. the authorities on both sides of the channel had been warned it was only a matter of time before there was a tragedy out there at sea and today we have seen such a tragedy. i think authorities of the home office here in the uk would have been surprised by the number of people that continue to make the crossing this autumn. because in previous years a number of people has fallen pretty dramatically compared to the summer, once we got into november and december. that hasn't happened at all this year. in fact more than 6,000 have made the crossing to the uk this month alone. why is it still a big route even though we are now into worse weather? i think it has become firmly established now by the people traffickers. because it is so lucrative. recently a boat was found out there in the channel with 88 people on board. it's thought that each migrant may pay around or two for thousand euros to get on board a boat. with those 88 people on board the boat would've made it traffickers more than a quarter of 71,000,000 from traffickers more than a quarter of ?1,000,000 from a single boat. when you add into the fact that potentially a day like today we see it may be 30 boats launched from beachesin it may be 30 boats launched from beaches in northern france on the busiest days, perhaps up to 40 back boats have attempted to present you can see why this is big business. and you could see why the politicians both here in the uk and overin politicians both here in the uk and over in france are very much aiming their anger tonight at the people smugglers who they say are trading in human misery.— smugglers who they say are trading in human misery. simon, went those boats to arrive _ in human misery. simon, went those boats to arrive on _ in human misery. simon, went those boats to arrive on the _ in human misery. simon, went those boats to arrive on the kent _ in human misery. simon, went those boats to arrive on the kent coast, i boats to arrive on the kent coast, what then happens as those people step onto the beach, what is the next part of their experience in the uk? ., , next part of their experience in the uk? ., y ., , , uk? the 'ourney to the uk begins once the uk? the journey to the uk begins once the boats _ uk? the journey to the uk begins once the boats get _ uk? the journey to the uk begins once the boats get halfway i once the boats get halfway across the channel because they are then in british territorial water. so they become the responsibility of the british authorities. so the boats then get brought into the port of dover here, either by the border force or by the lifeboat when they border force force or by the lifeboat when they borderforce is force or by the lifeboat when they border force is so stressed. then the migrants get taken to an area just a long bear called the tug haven. that's where initially they get process. there is an initial screening so the migrants are asked why they made the journey, where they've come from, they have their picture taken cover their pass for their identity, they are given covid test. in theory, the migrants are only supposed to be at the area of the port known as the tug haven for a matter of hours. but what we've seenin a matter of hours. but what we've seen in recent weeks up to 1,000 migrants arriving in a single day, sometimes more than 1,000, it's not that the authorities have been simply overwhelmed. some of the migrants have had to spend the night in the tug haven area, never designed for that. after the initial screening the migrants will then be dispersed around the country. the vast majority of them will end up claiming asylum in the uk. partly because of covid and partly because of the numbers the asylum system here has been under a huge amount of pressure. there are a huge amount of delays in processing asylum applications, the latest averages people have to wait for more than a year before in initial decision and people are turned down for asylum they may lodge an appeal. the reality is that the uk government is failing to return many asylum—seekers either to the country of origin or to other safe countries they may have passed through. that seems to be a major sticking point and why critics say it seems so lucrative to get over to the uk. because the chances of being removed are pretty slim. because the chances of being removed are pretty slim-— are pretty slim. simon jones, live in dover. thank you. this story very much plays out in three locations, the north coast of france, the south coast of england and of course the water in between. let's get an update from calais now. the french interior minister speaking a little while ago. interior minister speaking a little while auo. . ,, . interior minister speaking a little whileauo. ~ ,, ~ interior minister speaking a little while ao. �* ,, . ., while ago. translation: according to our information _ while ago. translation: according to our information 53 _ while ago. translation: according to our information 53 people _ while ago. translation: according to our information 53 people have i our information 53 people have sailed off the coast of calais. at the moment there are 31 dead end to people who were rescued. who are currently in hospital and are still in danger. among these 31 dead we know there were five women and a little goal. we will get more information later today in obviously the search and rescue operations are continuing. today between the crossing of calais and the north part of the country we had 780 police officers patrolling the coast. 255 people have managed to cross the channel. but 661 people who were trying to cross have been stopped. these are migrants who spend just a few days if not a few hours in france and want to cross into england and take the risk. unfortunately, today we had this tragedy. the first responsible for this horrible situation are these smugglers criminals who for a few thousand euros organise human trafficking of people from iraq, afghanistan, africa and asia and who use these people. they attract them here through belgium and then in france to cross the channel and go to the uk. we need to fight against these smugglers was up 1,500 of them have already been arrested since the first of january. we have already been arrested since the first ofjanuary. we have have already been arrested since the first of january. we have arrested four more today and direct connexion to this incident. two of them are being charged. since the first of january 7,800 migrants have been rescued at sea by our navy. i think the national navy for the work, i think the police and the rescuers who risk their lives to save these people. 7,800 people rescued is a big victory but today it's a day of national grief or france, the eu and the whole world in front of the tragedy of these people dying to cross the channel. i also want to say that we have great respect for the local residents and the mayor who are handling the situation. we are working as a government today to improve the living conditions, to stop the boats and also with the help of germany. because most of these votes are bought in germany and we've asked the government to stop the sale of these bows. we are talking with our friends in belgium because 100% of the migrants come from belgium. and obviously, we are in constant contact with the uk. i want to say that we can put in place today many means to save lives, we have three boats, two helicopter, two, two french and dozens of people working to save lives. b5 two, two french and dozens of people working to save lives.— working to save lives. as you can imaaine working to save lives. as you can imagine extensive _ working to save lives. as you can imagine extensive political i working to save lives. as you can i imagine extensive political reaction here in the uk. the prime minister of accused people smugglers of literally getting away with murder. we've also heard from the leader of the opposition party. who tweeted. let me play this report from the bbc�*s home editor mark easton has been bringing together what we know. cold, but calm seas encourage dozens of migrants, including many small children, to head down the beaches of calais this morning, preparing to make the journey across the channel. where are you going now? we're going to uk! a number of small boats are understood to have pushed off around dawn, but it now appears at least one vessel capsized, with reports of around 30 deaths. a french fisherman reported seeing an empty dinghy with a number of bodies floating motionless nearby, unconscious or dead. the french interior minister, gerald darmanin, headed to the scene, tweeting... as news of the tragedy broke, the prime minister, borisjohnson, announced he would chair a meeting of the cobra emergency committee in response. ijust want to say that i am shocked and appalled and deeply saddened by the loss of life at sea in the channel. i think that the details are still coming in, but more than 20 people have lost their lives, as you know. and my thoughts and sympathies are first of all with the victims and theirfamilies, and it's an appalling thing that they have suffered. but i also want to say that this disaster underscores how dangerous it is to cross the channel in this way. french patrol vessels and three helicopters have been deployed in the area as part of a search, with the port authority suggesting the tragedy may be the largest single loss of life in the channel for many years. these people are murderers. and the poor migrants have been coming from their country- are spending months and months to get to here, and they are i close to their dream. a number of migrants did make it to the kent coast, having crossed one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world. no one should underestimate the risks involved. the seas are incredibly dangerous all of the year, but particularly as winter approaches, and that's why i've been calling for some time to say that we must make sure that those boats are not leaving the french shores. the un's international organisation for migration says between eight and 30 people have died in the english channel each year since 2014. before today, the figure for 2021 was already at 15. record numbers of migrants have crossed the channel in small boats this year, more than 25,000 since january. the home secretary promised last year to make the route unviable and put the people smugglers out of business. today, before news of the tragedy, the immigration minister explained why the numbers were still so high. well, we obviously have challenges. we have a system which is based on outdated legislation, much of it from the late '905, which we are looking to change with the nationality and borders bill, due to come back to the commons for its report stage imminently, and that is where we are looking to try and make changes, to make a difference and particularly work with our european neighbours, particularly france, to get a grip on this. because this isn't helping any european state. we only have to look at the situation on the belarusian—polish border. the search has continued into the night, with french emergency services continued to look for any victims and support the survivors, a grim end to a grim day. mark easton, bbc news. kim bryan is a volunteer for the charity channel rescue. thank you for speaking to us. could you help us understand a little bit more about what your organisation does? we more about what your organisation does? ~ ., more about what your organisation does? ~ . ., , does? we are human rights observation _ does? we are human rights observation group - does? we are human rights observation group set i does? we are human rights observation group set up i does? we are human rights observation group set up in | does? we are human rights i observation group set up in august 2020 and we start to see more more people crossing the channel by small boats like these. we are very concerned by the rhetoric coming from the home office that they would you be using jet skis, they would go to be pushing back bows was that we set up reallyjust to observe what was going on and to ensure that boats were being rescued. do you auree boats were being rescued. do you a . ree that boats were being rescued. do you agree that it's _ boats were being rescued. do you agree that it's vitally _ boats were being rescued. do you agree that it's vitally important, l agree that it's vitally important, these bows stop making these dangerous journeys? these bows stop making these dangerousjourneys? i these bows stop making these dangerous journeys?— these bows stop making these dangerous journeys? dangerous 'ourneys? i think it's an incredibl dangerous journeys? i think it's an incredibly dangerous _ dangerous journeys? i think it's an incredibly dangerous way - dangerous journeys? i think it's an incredibly dangerous way of - dangerous journeys? i think it's an l incredibly dangerous way of crossing the channel. but there are ferries going from five minutes on the road where people are taking these journeys from. what we would advocate from his safe passage for people and humanitarian assistance. it's not going to workjust to try and stop the boats from crossing the general, people are going to stop wanting to seek safety and to improve their lives. what we are saying is safe routes for people, bring them to the uk, enable the asylum to do its work and what's happening at the moment, what were hearing the rhetoric from the home office is that they're going to... in place we launched the case because they've said to get a start doing perspex in the channel. some of our volunteers have observed the board of course practising pushback to the channel. this is going to lead to even more tragedies like the one we've seen today. in lead to even more tragedies like the one we've seen today.— lead to even more tragedies like the one we've seen today. in the case of ushback one we've seen today. in the case of pushback that _ one we've seen today. in the case of pushback that i _ one we've seen today. in the case of pushback that i understand - one we've seen today. in the case of pushback that i understand it, - pushback that i understand it, that's not happened. it pushback that i understand it, that's not happened.- that's not happened. it hasn't happened _ that's not happened. it hasn't happened but _ that's not happened. it hasn't happened but we've - that's not happened. it hasn't happened but we've observed that's not happened. it hasn't - happened but we've observed them practising pushback to and we certainly heard from priti patel giving evidence to the select committee that they were planning to do pushback. what we done today is sent a letter to the government to say, are you planning to do pushback because if you are what we think they're unlawful and dangerous. we could see how dangerous the channel is these debt that happened were avoidable. let is these debt that happened were avoidable. ., r' is these debt that happened were avoidable. . , ., is these debt that happened were avoidable. ., ., avoidable. let me ask you about --eole avoidable. let me ask you about peeple smugglers _ avoidable. let me ask you about people smugglers who - avoidable. let me ask you about people smugglers who i - avoidable. let me ask you about| people smugglers who i presume avoidable. let me ask you about - people smugglers who i presume you would hold fundamentally responsible for the tragedy that we are seeing today. for the tragedy that we are seeing toda . , ., , . for the tragedy that we are seeing toda. , ., ,, today. the people are responsible for the tragedy — today. the people are responsible for the tragedy today _ today. the people are responsible for the tragedy today of _ today. the people are responsible for the tragedy today of the - for the tragedy today of the governments of the failed to introduce an asylum system and a board of a system that's fit for purpose. when i can stop people migrating, when doctor stop people fleeing conflict, persecution, increasingly seeing the impacts of climate crisis with what we've seen the government do is this mentality where they've cut for agar we seen at the cup 26 at glasgow they haven't made io0,000,000,000 available for people to mitigate... this is not a problem specific to the uk. we've heard from the french government saying this requires a response from france, the uk and many other european countries. as you cave solely along just doesn't add up, does a? you cave solely along 'ust doesn't add up. does a?_ add up, does a? you're hearing that from the french _ add up, does a? you're hearing that from the french government - add up, does a? you're hearing that from the french government but - add up, does a? you're hearing that i from the french government but were not hearing it from the british government. the british government has continually maintained an isolationist policy they were just going to stop people from coming here. why are they claiming asylum in france? ., ., ., , ., in france? none of that is fit for --urose. in france? none of that is fit for purpose- isn't — in france? none of that is fit for purpose. isn't the _ in france? none of that is fit for purpose. isn't the argument - in france? none of that is fit for. purpose. isn't the argument from in france? none of that is fit for - purpose. isn't the argument from the government that it wants to encourage people to apply for asylum to recognise routes? we know it's got new legislation that says we want to listen to asylum applications but we don't want people to be taking chances like this in the channel for the reasons that we are seeing today.— that we are seeing today. we've got to a very small— that we are seeing today. we've got to a very small resettlement - that we are seeing today. we've got l to a very small resettlement schemes available for people in the uk. want is syrian resettlement and the other applicant resettlement. when somebody is fleeing their homes and a countries for safety they don't sit there and look at her website and say which resettlement scheme my going to use? to get out of the country and they go and find a place of safety. there's lots of reason people want to come to the uk. sometimes it's because they speak english, they know somebody from a member of the community or family lives here. but also fundamentally, you are allowed under human rights law to seek asylum in the country where you want to go. and that's what we are not recognising. when not recognising people have the right to live in safety. it's not just a question of finding a resettlement scheme for that really the very small uk and they are not dealing and they're not fit for purpose. dealing and they're not fit for --urose. ., ~' dealing and they're not fit for --urose. ., ~ ,, ., dealing and they're not fit for --urose. ., ~ ., ,, .,~ ., purpose. thank you for speaking to us. purpose. thank you for speaking to us- needless _ purpose. thank you for speaking to us. needless to _ purpose. thank you for speaking to us. needless to say _ purpose. thank you for speaking to us. needless to say through - purpose. thank you for speaking to us. needless to say through the i us. needless to say through the government this says that taking this very seriously it's also expecting legislation to respond to the statement. we had a statement from pretty tile and a key figure on this issue she says... it is also worth reiterating that has been tension between the french and british governments over whether the are doing enough to prevent people leaving the north french coast. we seen exchange barbs in recent months on that issue. although the french of the uk do have a working relationship on this, the british handover of over £50,000,000 towards french efforts and just in the last couple of weeks we've had a joint statement from the two governments reiterating their commitment to work together and we are hearing a message again in the aftermath of these lives lost today. early on we've heard from the french president emmanuel macron on the loss of life in the channel today he says... and we've had some information from the french interior minister. reuters report that he says four traffickers linked to today's incident have been arrested. he also says five women and one little girl are among the dead migrants in the english channel. to reiterate he said at least 31 people of god, to have been rescued but we are not entirely clear how many people were on this boat which is why were not able to be definitive about the number of people who may be missing. definitive about the number of people who may be missing. calais ki a big part which connects with dover in the southeast calais ki a big part which connects with of england. the mayor of calais has been speaking to reporters. have a listen. translation: this tragedy - is the result of several successive failures in immigration policy. it is the failure of borisjohnson. our region has had to take on extra measures because he doesn't have the courage to take responsibility. we need to react and react quickly. all this must stop. we should not be waiting for tragedies to act. what angers me the most this evening is that for several weeks i've been alerting members of the government to warn them that there was exceptional pressure at this moment. in the last minute let me just remind you of what we've learned through the hour about the tragedy that's playing out in the english channel. the number of people that died is at least 31, they drowned when the boat side. five women and want little goal are confirmed to be among those who died and the number of people to have lost their lives is not definitive because we don't know how many people around the boat. a search party is continuing to look for survivors in the channel. the french authorities as a photo as i was just mentioning the interior minister has confirmed that four traffickers linked to today's incident have been arrested. that has been developing through the hour. i will also mentioned that another important story developing as well during this edition in georgia, in the us a jury has delivered its verdict in the trial of three men accused of murdering a black man, ahmaud arbery. all three have been convicted of murder. joe biden is said this ensures that those who committed this horrible crime will be punished. thank you for watching. crime will be punished. thank you forwatching. i'll see crime will be punished. thank you for watching. i'll see tomorrow. bye—bye. good evening. a decidedly cold feel to the weather as we head towards the end of this week, but not only cold weather, some quite turbulent weather on the way as well. spells of rain, sleet and snow in the forecast and the risk of severe gales, particularly through friday night and into the start of the weekend. now, as we go through this evening and tonight, we've got this area of cloud and patchy rain continuing to sink its way southwards. behind that, the skies clear, some colder air filtering down from the north with some showers into northern ireland and northern scotland. the showers here will be wintry, blustery winds with gusts of 50 mph or more in the most exposed spots in the far north. and temperatures widely getting close to freezing, below freezing in places, so a touch of frost to start tomorrow morning. and all of us feeling the effects of this cold air. where you're exposed to the brisk winds, particularly around coastal areas, well, there's a potential for some showers. wintry showers in northern scotland, especially over high ground, but even to relatively low levels i think we could see some snow mixing in. elsewhere, though, a lot of sunshine. it's a bright, crisp day, a cold day with top temperatures between 5—9 degrees. maybe just getting up to ten there in the channel islands. now, as we head into friday, this area of low pressure dives its way into the picture. that'll strengthen the winds. it'll bring outbreaks of rain southwards through friday morning, and with cold air continuing to tuck in from the north, well, there is a potential for some wintry showers across the north and the west and this curl of a weather front bringing some quite significant snow to parts of northern scotland through the day. a cold day, a windy day, in fact increasingly windy as we get into the evening. now, depending upon the exact shape of this area of low pressure, somewhere is likely to see the isobars really squashing together, meaning a swathe of extremely strong winds, especially to the north and the west of the uk, perhaps for wales and south west england, parts of north east england as well. gales are likely, severe gales in places. with some areas of rain, sleet and snow drifting southwards, that wintry weather only slowly pushing eastwards on saturday. it stays quite windy for many, just a little calmer out towards the west. and it is going to feel cold, particularly when you factor in the strength of the wind. sunday does look a little calmer for all of us, but temperatures really will struggle, 3—7 degrees. this is bbc news. the headlines at 8pm... at least 31 migrants feared to have drowned after their boat capsized trying to cross the english channel. migration experts say it's the worst loss of life in the english channel in years. two boats plus a helicopterfrom france and one from the uk. the french interior minister says five women into children among the dead. todayis women into children among the dead. today is a day of national grief for her friend today is a day of national grief for herfriend ? france, the eu, and the whole world in front of the tragedy of the people dying to cross the channel. of migrants crossing the channel. now is the time for us all to step up, to work together, to do everything we can to break these gangs who are literally getting away with murder. in other news, the first minister of scotland tells the bbc only one faction of