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it is already illegal to call or text on a hand—held phone while you are driving in the uk, but uk, while you are driving in the uk, but from next year the rules are getting even tighter. drivers will be banned from taking photos, filming, searching playlists or playing games even while being stationary. they face points on their license and a £200 fine. # happy birthday to you... joe cairns was 1a years old when his mother last waved him off to school. i always told him, you know, "i love ya". not always would he say it back. chuckles sometimes he would. we got him settled in the van and i waved goodbye to him. the minibusjoe was riding in was hit by a lorry. the lorry driver was checking his social media on his phone moments before the crash. finding that out, i do remember being physically sick. i was, you know — it was just that reaction that my boy was killed for nothing. for likes, you know? checking his social media. the driverjames majury was jailed for eight years for dangerous driving. the current law bans driving while texting and calling, but this change will mean that it's easier for police to charge drivers holding their phone, regardless of the reason. from next year, there'll be very few exemptions for why you're able to hold your phone while you're driving. one of them will be if you're making an emergency phone call. but another proposed one is if you're paying for something contactlessly — for example, a toll or maybe a drive—through restaurant — but your car has to be stationary. you can still use devices like satnav, for instance, but they have to be in a cradle. the law was introduced in 2003 when calls and texts were what most mobiles were used for. although police can charge drivers with other driving offences if they are using their phone and not in control of their vehicle, this change will close a loophole. if you get caught now, you're going to get a £200 fine and six points on your licence. that is quite significant. the police will be able to enforce the laws much more strongly. joe's family continue to tell his story, to make drivers think again about how and when they use their phones. he had a life — a whole beautiful life to lead. through somebody�*s choice that day, they took his life away. and he is no more. and it has to be out there, it has to be how dangerous it is to use your phone whilst you are driving. now on bbc news, our world: canada's missing children. this film contains scenes, which some viewers may find upsetting. in may this year, the unmarked graves of 215 children were found on the grounds of an old indian residential school. who indian residential school. who were these — indian residential school. who were these children? - indian residential school. wirr were these children? those indian residential school. wit? were these children? those were our relatives. the were these children? those were our relatives.— our relatives. the school was for indigenous _ our relatives. the school was for indigenous children. - our relatives. the school was for indigenous children. it. our relatives. the school was l for indigenous children. it was run by hundreds by the church and government in canada. for years they had been at the centre of child abuse allegations.- centre of child abuse allegations. centre of child abuse alleuations. , , , allegations. the sisters were shocked when _ allegations. the sisters were shocked when these - allegations. the sisters were i shocked when these allegations started to come out.— started to come out. survivors are now asking _ started to come out. survivors are now asking the _ started to come out. survivors are now asking the church - started to come out. survivors are now asking the church and| are now asking the church and the government for records from the government for records from the schools to find out about those who died. irate the schools to find out about those who died.— those who died. we always wanted to _ those who died. we always wanted to remind - those who died. we always wanted to remind people, | those who died. we always i wanted to remind people, like the holocaust, that this is history, this actually happened. history, this actually happened-— history, this actually hauened. , happened. some believe the truth is being _ happened. some believe the truth is being hidden. - happened. some believe the truth is being hidden. the i truth is being hidden. the church never _ truth is being hidden. tue: church never imagined truth is being hidden. tte: church never imagined that someone would question their authority or ask to see those documents. authority or ask to see those documente— authority or ask to see those documents. ,, . ,. ., , documents. since the discovery ofthe documents. since the discovery of the graves. _ documents. since the discovery of the graves, churches - documents. since the discovery of the graves, churches were i of the graves, churches were burnt down and visuals for the missing children have been held across the country. i grew up in canada and i have returned to try and understand what really happened to the children of the indian residential schools. the 215 unmarked graves were found in kamloops, british columbia. since may, more than 1000 graves have been found another school grounds across canada. un has called a full investigations. until now, many canadians were unaware of the indian residential schools. they were set up in the 1870s for the children of canada's first nations people. the schools were anglican and government run. but the majority, 70%, were catholic. they operated up until 1997. parents were forced to send their children to the schools if they didn't they could face prison. if they didn't they could face rison. , ., .~' if they didn't they could face rison. , . a ., prison. there is a truck that came with _ prison. there is a truck that came with acre _ prison. there is a truck that came with acre whole - prison. there is a truck that| came with acre whole bunch prison. there is a truck that i came with acre whole bunch of kids in the back and the driver saw me running in the field and he picked me up and threw me in the back of the truck and brought me along. norman was seven years _ brought me along. norman was seven years old _ brought me along. norman was seven years old when _ brought me along. norman was seven years old when he - brought me along. norman was seven years old when he was i seven years old when he was taken to kamloops in 1952. tt was real scary for me. we were babies. t was real scary for me. we were babies. �* , ., babies. i didn't start until i was seven _ babies. i didn't start until i was seven in _ babies. i didn't start until i was seven in 1962, - babies. i didn't start until i was seven in 1962, and - babies. i didn't start until i was seven in 1962, and i l babies. i didn't start until i l was seven in 1962, and i was was seven in1962, and i was very— was seven in1962, and i was very tiny— was seven in 1962, and i was very tiny and| was seven in 1962, and i was very tiny and i was very shy and— very tiny and i was very shy and was _ very tiny and i was very shy and was very intimidating. my brother— and was very intimidating. my brother taught me how to read and write — brother taught me how to read and write and fight. he said, those — and write and fight. he said, those are _ and write and fight. he said, those are things you need to know— those are things you need to know before you go to school. so i _ know before you go to school. so i was — know before you go to school. so i was looking forward to it, being — so i was looking forward to it, being away— so i was looking forward to it, being away from _ so i was looking forward to it, being away from home, - so i was looking forward to it, being away from home, awayl so i was looking forward to it, - being away from home, away from the reservation. _ being away from home, away from the reservation. we _ being away from home, away from the reservation. we got _ being away from home, away from the reservation. we got inside - the reservation. we got inside the reservation. we got inside the school, _ the reservation. we got inside the school, went— the reservation. we got inside the school, went up— the reservation. we got inside the school, went up the - the reservation. we got insidel the school, went up the stairs, my sisters _ the school, went up the stairs, my sisters went _ the school, went up the stairs, my sisters went one _ the school, went up the stairs, my sisters went one way, - the school, went up the stairs, my sisters went one way, my. my sisters went one way, my brothers— my sisters went one way, my brothers went _ my sisters went one way, my brothers went another- my sisters went one way, my brothers went another way i my sisters went one way, my. brothers went another way and i went— brothers went another way and i went another— brothers went another way and i went another way, _ brothers went another way and i went another way, and - brothers went another way and i went another way, and that - brothers went another way and i went another way, and that is l went another way, and that is the last— went another way, and that is the last time _ went another way, and that is the last time we _ went another way, and that is the last time we would - went another way, and that is. the last time we would actually be the last time we would actually he togethen _ the last time we would actually be together-— the last time we would actually be together. more than 150,000 children went _ be together. more than 150,000 children went to _ be together. more than 150,000 children went to the _ be together. more than 150,000 children went to the schools. - children went to the schools. their goal was simple. to remove the indian from the child. it was a social experiment, and industrial indoctrination of the entire indigenous population. nobody knows who _ indigenous population. nobody knows who norman _ indigenous population. nobody knows who norman is. - indigenous population. nobody knows who norman is. they i indigenous population. nobodyl knows who norman is. theyjust gave me a number. my number was 16. iii gave me a number. my number was 16. , ., �* ., , 16. if you didn't do things riaht, 16. if you didn't do things right, these _ 16. if you didn't do things right, these nuns - 16. if you didn't do things right, these nuns would l 16. if you didn't do things l right, these nuns would be walking _ right, these nuns would be walking behind you, you would be walking behind you, you would he hit — walking behind you, you would he hit on — walking behind you, you would be hit on the head with the ruier~ — be hit on the head with the ruler. . , , be hit on the head with the ruler. ., ., ., , , ., ruler. kamloops indian residential _ ruler. kamloops indian residential school i ruler. kamloops indian residential school was | ruler. kamloops indian i residential school was run by an order of priests and taught by nuns for the sisters of st ann. today there are only 21 sisters still alive. the sister is the president of the order in british columbia. irate is the president of the order in british columbia. we were there to help _ in british columbia. we were there to help the _ in british columbia. we were there to help the children, . in british columbia. we werel there to help the children, we never thought that they would lose their connections. with their own culture and their own groups. their own culture and their own urou s. �* ., , their own culture and their own u-rous. �* ., ., groups. but was it one of the coals, groups. but was it one of the goals. to _ groups. but was it one of the goals. to take _ groups. but was it one of the goals, to take the _ groups. but was it one of the goals, to take the indian i groups. but was it one of the goals, to take the indian out| goals, to take the indian out of the child?— of the child? well, in retrospect, _ of the child? well, in retrospect, that i of the child? well, in retrospect, that was | of the child? well, in i retrospect, that was not a of the child? well, in - retrospect, that was not a goal that any of our sisters were told. ., , ., .,, told. there was brainwashing, that if you _ told. there was brainwashing, that if you practised _ told. there was brainwashing, that if you practised your i that if you practised your traditional language and your cutturai— traditional language and your cultural ways, that you would io cultural ways, that you would go to — cultural ways, that you would go to hell. and that you would burn _ go to hell. and that you would burn in— go to hell. and that you would burn in hell.— burn in hell. many of the children _ burn in hell. many of the children suffered - burn in hell. many of the| children suffered physical burn in hell. many of the i children suffered physical and sexual abuse.— sexual abuse. this side is where all _ sexual abuse. this side is where all the _ sexual abuse. this side is where all the boys - sexual abuse. this side is where all the boys were, | sexual abuse. this side is i where all the boys were, and there were three, four levels of dorm rooms. i lived on the second and third. and we are talking about the abuses. a lot of what happened right there. for the longest of times, i only good remember three times that i was sexually abused. and over the years, able to remember up to 15. mr; over the years, able to remember up to 15. over the years, able to remember u- to 15. g ., ., remember up to 15. my dad found out that i had _ remember up to 15. my dad found out that i had been _ remember up to 15. my dad found out that i had been abused. i was — out that i had been abused. i was sexually abused at nine years — was sexually abused at nine years old. was sexually abused at nine years old-— years old. the priest that abused me, _ years old. the priest that abused me, he _ years old. the priest that abused me, he was i years old. the priest that i abused me, he was transferred out here, — abused me, he was transferred out here, and _ abused me, he was transferred out here, and that _ abused me, he was transferred out here, and that happened i abused me, he was transferred out here, and that happened a| out here, and that happened a lot. , , , ., ., ., lot. the sisters taught at for a british columbia _ lot. the sisters taught at for a british columbia public- a british columbia public indian residential schools. in every school, either priests on layman have been convicted of multiple charges of child sex abuse. tt multiple charges of child sex abuse. ., , ., , multiple charges of child sex abuse. . , . , . multiple charges of child sex abuse. ., .,, . ., ., abuse. it was as much of a shock to — abuse. it was as much of a shock to the _ abuse. it was as much of a shock to the sisters - abuse. it was as much of a shock to the sisters as i abuse. it was as much of a shock to the sisters as to l shock to the sisters as to anyone when they realise that some men they had served with had been abusive to some of the children. tt had been abusive to some of the children. , , , ., children. if the sisters of st ann were — children. if the sisters of st ann were working - children. if the sisters of st i ann were working side-by-side ann were working side—by—side with them in the same building, surely there must have been some crossover at some point? we had no idea that was happening. and people say, why not? well, because we live separate lives. we had a girls dormitory, boys dormitory, sisters convent, the priests were over here. you know, it was quite separate.— were over here. you know, it was quite separate. dawn is one of canada's _ was quite separate. dawn is one of canada's most _ was quite separate. dawn is one of canada's most influential i of canada's most influential lawyers. he spent 30 years fighting for justice lawyers. he spent 30 years fighting forjustice for many of the survivors of the indian residential schools. in of the survivors of the indian residential schools.- residential schools. in law, there is a _ residential schools. in law, there is a principal - residential schools. in law, there is a principal called l there is a principal called wilful blindness and it is where one deliberately turned their eyes away from what they do not want to see. i suspect that that might well have accounted for some of the amnesia that the sisters of sundown professed today. but to say that they would be unaware of those kinds of abuses, it is beyond credible. we heard from well over 7000 individuals who have told horrific stories of abuse. in have told horrific stories of abuse. :: :: ~ ., ., ., abuse. in 2006, the canadian government _ abuse. in 2006, the canadian government agreed _ abuse. in 2006, the canadian government agreed to - abuse. in 2006, the canadian i government agreed to compensate everyone that had been sent to the residential schools. victims of physical love sexual abuse were offered an additional pay—out, but they had to testify to be eligible. 38,000 came forward. for many, this meant speaking about their abuse for the first time.- abuse for the first time. when i first abuse for the first time. when i first came — abuse for the first time. when i first came out, _ abuse for the first time. when i first came out, i _ abuse for the first time. when i first came out, i shook i abuse for the first time. when i first came out, i shook my i i first came out, i shook my head and said, never. there is no way. that i am going to share with anybody what happened to me here. it took me a long time to make the decision that i am going to go before the commission or follow—through on the process and you declare that you were sexually abused. the hearing was eventually given a settlement. the wife says, your cheque came in. i told her, i don't want to see it. i don't even want to touch it. so go deposited. tit even want to touch it. so go deposited-— even want to touch it. so go de osited. :: :: f~ ., ., deposited. in 2008, a truth and reconciliation _ deposited. in 2008, a truth and reconciliation commission i deposited. in 2008, a truth and reconciliation commission -- i reconciliation commission —— reconciliation commission was formed. those involved in running the schools were asked to hand over all documents relating to the children. let's kee in relating to the children. let's keep in mind _ relating to the children. let's keep in mind that _ relating to the children. let's keep in mind that these i relating to the children. let'sj keep in mind that these were run primarily as a business. and then running any business, you keep meticulous records. they have records of students attendances. how else did they get paid? tit attendances. how else did they aet aid? ii' get paid? in 2015, the truth and reconciliation _ get paid? in 2015, the truth i and reconciliation commission published a damning report using testimony from the survivors stop it was called missing children and unmarked burials. it latched 3200 children never came home from school. , , children never came home from school. , ., school. one boy they found hanging. — school. one boy they found hanging. that _ school. one boy they found hanging, that is _ school. one boy they found hanging, that is one - school. one boy they found hanging, that is one of i school. one boy they found hanging, that is one of the | hanging, that is one of the things i blocked out. fine hanging, that is one of the things i blocked out. one of the times — things i blocked out. one of the times was _ things i blocked out. one of the times was an _ things i blocked out. one of the times was an individual| the times was an individual sharing _ the times was an individual sharing with me, about finding that young guy hanging in this building — that young guy hanging in this building here. so, yeah... people _ building here. so, yeah... people need to know the kinds of abuses— people need to know the kinds of abuses that _ people need to know the kinds of abuses that were _ people need to know the kinds of abuses that were sustained i of abuses that were sustained lry of abuses that were sustained by innocent _ of abuses that were sustained by innocent children, - of abuses that were sustained | by innocent children, including abuse — by innocent children, including abuse that— by innocent children, including abuse that led _ by innocent children, including abuse that led to _ by innocent children, including abuse that led to their- by innocent children, including abuse that led to their death. i abuse that led to their death. there — abuse that led to their death. there were _ abuse that led to their death. there were social— abuse that led to their death. i there were social experiments carried — there were social experiments carried out, _ there were social experiments carried out, there _ there were social experiments carried out, there were - carried out, there were nutritional— carried out, there were| nutritional experiments carried out, there were - nutritional experiments carried out, _ nutritional experiments carried out, which _ nutritional experiments carried out, which deliberately- nutritional experiments carried out, which deliberately start i out, which deliberately start children _ out, which deliberately start children. there _ out, which deliberately start children. there were - out, which deliberately startj children. there were electric chairs, — children. there were electric chairs, there _ children. there were electric chairs, there were _ children. there were electric chairs, there were children i chairs, there were children kicked _ chairs, there were children kicked downstairs - chairs, there were children kicked downstairs who - kicked downstairs who subsequently - kicked downstairs who - subsequently disappeared from residential_ subsequently disappeared from residential school. _ subsequently disappeared from residential school. [— subsequently disappeared from residential school.— residential school. i always knew that _ residential school. i always knew that the _ residential school. i always knew that the children - residential school. i always| knew that the children were there, i knew from when i was a child that the children were there. ., ., child that the children were there. ., ._ ., there. today, the former kamloons _ there. today, the former kamloops school - there. today, the former kamloops school is - there. today, the former kamloops school is the l kamloops school is the administrative centre for the secwepemc first nation. as a community elder, this woman works there. she decided to investigate the claims of the missing children. i investigate the claims of the missing children.— investigate the claims of the missing children. i said, well, we need to — missing children. i said, well, we need to confirm _ missing children. i said, well, we need to confirm what - missing children. i said, well, we need to confirm what our. we need to confirm what our oral history says, what our ancestors have said, that there are children who died here and never made it home. jane are children who died here and never made it home.— never made it home. jane and her colleagues _ never made it home. jane and her colleagues hired - never made it home. jane and her colleagues hired a - never made it home. jane and| her colleagues hired a forensic anthropologist to look into the site of the alleged graves in the school grounds.- site of the alleged graves in the school grounds. within a ical the school grounds. within a typical traditional _ the school grounds. within a typical traditional cemetery l typical traditional cemetery contacts, we are looking for burials that are about six beneath the surface. within a cloudless time context, it is always different, and with children particularly, the graves are always more shallow. what was interesting is that they were still within and east— west configuration, which is typical of eight traditional cemetery or a christian context. cemetery or christian contacts. . ., contacts. using ground penetrating _ contacts. using ground penetrating radar - contacts. using ground penetrating radar she i contacts. using ground - penetrating radar she found hundred and 15 unmarked graves. discovery sent shockwaves across canada and made headlines worldwide. survivors hope that the documents handed over to the truth and reconciliation commission in 2008 could help identify who was in the graves. the churches who operated — was in the graves. the churches who operated residential- who operated residential schools agreed, and it was a court order, to provide all relevant records so that the true story of indian residential schools in canada could be written. i can tell you, that they failed, massively in that challenge. i cannot say that we did not receive documents, totally. they did way of a document dump. and by that i mean, when you provide thousands upon thousands of documents that do not have the finding aids, do not have the finding aids, do not have the code, that do not make them otherwise relevant and useful to you, they are not useful. ,., , . useful. the boxes that were handed over _ useful. the boxes that were handed over into _ useful. the boxes that were handed over into thousand i useful. the boxes that were - handed over into thousand eight by many of the sisters and priests were criticised as being document dumps, with no categorisation or organisation, meaning they could take years to sift through. we meaning they could take years to sift through.— to sift through. we sent four boxes. that _ to sift through. we sent four boxes. that is _ to sift through. we sent four boxes. that is not _ to sift through. we sent four boxes. that is not a - to sift through. we sent four boxes. that is not a real- boxes. that is not a real document dump. what we did was hand them over in the way that the truth and reconciliation commission asked us to hand them over. and so it might be called a document dump, but we weren't asked to categorise anything, we were following the format that they gave us. rab format that they gave us. rob has filed over _ format that they gave us. rob has filed over 425 _ format that they gave us. rob has filed over 425 lawsuits against catholic institutions all over canada. he is trying to access documents for child sex abuse cases that he is working on concerning the same order of priests that could taught at kamloops. he is meeting genevieve webber, the head archivist at the royal british columbia museum, which houses provincial archives for both the priests and the sisters. . . both the priests and the sisters. , , ., . sisters. this is not an organisation - sisters. this is not an organisation that - sisters. this is not an organisation that is l sisters. this is not an - organisation that is openly transparent. and when it comes to information that goes to the kryptonite of the catholic church, which is scandal, especially sexual scandal, they will be very protective of their own.— their own. the wreckage specifically _ their own. the wreckage specifically of _ their own. the wreckage specifically of mary - their own. the wreckage - specifically of mary immaculate are stiii— specifically of mary immaculate are still being processed. they don't _ are still being processed. they don't have any order or organisation placed on them yet — organisation placed on them yet. there is a huge amount of materiai— yet. there is a huge amount of material here. the acquisition from — material here. the acquisition from the _ material here. the acquisition from the oblate number over 340 boxes _ from the oblate number over 340 boxes so — from the oblate number over 340 boxes. so how long do you think your— boxes. so how long do you think your archivists talk to just go through— your archivists talk to just go through this one box? it takes weeks. — through this one box? it takes weeks, for sure. weeks, per box — weeks, for sure. weeks, per box and _ weeks, for sure. weeks, per box. and then each of these boxes, _ box. and then each of these boxes, it— box. and then each of these boxes, it takes a full week to digitise — boxes, it takes a full week to digitise a _ boxes, it takes a full week to digitise a box. so boxes, it takes a full week to digitise a box.— boxes, it takes a full week to digitise a box. so when i hear it may take — digitise a box. so when i hear it may take years _ digitise a box. so when i hear it may take years to - digitise a box. so when i hear it may take years to search i it may take years to search through these documents, what that says to me is, disclosure dump or document dump. so that is suggestive of a continued cover—up, of deception, of really not trying to help the system or the process but to inhibit it stop the personnel files have a restriction on them, so we are not able to make those accessible. the restriction _ make those accessible. the restriction is _ make those accessible. the restriction is that _ make those accessible. the restriction is that they remain closed — restriction is that they remain closed until 50 years after the death— closed until 50 years after the death of— closed until 50 years after the death of the person represented in the _ death of the person represented in the file. so those records are not— in the file. so those records are not being digitise at the moment. are not being digitise at the moment-— are not being digitise at the moment. ., . ., moment. the normal length of time to confidentiality - moment. the normal length of time to confidentiality of- moment. the normal length of time to confidentiality of the i time to confidentiality of the personnel files for canadians is 20 years after death. the 50 ear is 20 years after death. the 50 year restriction _ is 20 years after death. the 50 year restriction on _ is 20 years after death. the 50 year restriction on accessing i year restriction on accessing the personnel is protecting the wrong people. so i do the maths about 50 year restriction. if someone is abused at 10, and their perpetrator dies five years later, that survivor, that victim of abuse, cannot even look at the file of this perpetrator until he himself is 65 years of age. it makes most of this archival material on the people that ran the school is completely useless to anyone who is talking and walking. 50 who is talking and walking. so now i will take you to where the sisters of saint and archives are located which is inside — archives are located which is inside our— archives are located which is inside our building, in a separate office space. —— said am _ separate office space. —— said am -- — separate office space. —— said am -- st _ separate office space. —— said am. —— st ann. in this space here — am. —— st ann. in this space here is— am. —— st ann. in this space here is where the sisters of st ann_ here is where the sisters of st ann archives are based, but it is a _ ann archives are based, but it is a private _ ann archives are based, but it is a private institution, on employment basis, by their archivist— employment basis, by their archivist who is not an employee of the bc archives. this— employee of the bc archives. this fauit— employee of the bc archives. this fault for this archive is restricted, you are not allowed to freely walk in and do work in here? ., , . , in here? no, it is a different organisation. _ in here? no, it is a different organisation. i— in here? no, it is a different organisation. i can't - in here? no, it is a different organisation. i can't go - in here? no, it is a different organisation. i can't go in i in here? no, it is a different. organisation. i can't go in and access— organisation. i can't go in and access their material without a staff _ access their material without a staff person helping me. the deal with the _ staff person helping me. tie: deal with the museum was staff person helping me. tt9: deal with the museum was that they would how's the collection rent—free until the sisters glen boss archivist retires in 2027. in which point ownership of the collection passes to the museum. i asked sister marie what their collection is comprised of.- what their collection is comprised of. what their collection is comrised of. ~ 'j~ j~ comprised of. we came in 1858, we established _ comprised of. we came in 1858, we established among - comprised of. we came in 1858, we established among the - comprised of. we came in 1858, we established among the first | we established among the first schools in the province, and hospitals. residential schools is i% of our total archive. the is 1% of our total archive. the residential _ is 1% of our total archive. the residential stall _ is i% of our total archive. the residential stall experience for the _ residential stall experience for the catholic church in western canada was a huge undertaking that spanned over a century — undertaking that spanned over a century -- _ undertaking that spanned over a century. —— residential school. century. — — residential school. so to — century. — — residential school. so to say — century. —— residential school. so to say i%, one out of a hundred, _ so to say i%, one out of a hundred, sounds suspiciously low hundred, sounds suspiciously iow to— hundred, sounds suspiciously low to me. | hundred, sounds suspiciously low to me— low to me. i cannot possibly attach any — low to me. i cannot possibly attach any sort _ low to me. i cannot possibly attach any sort of— low to me. i cannot possibly attach any sort of credibility | attach any sort of credibility to that _ attach any sort of credibility to that they _ attach any sort of credibility to that. they are _ attach any sort of credibility to that. they are playing. attach any sort of credibility to that. they are playing a i to that. they are playing a game _ to that. they are playing a game of _ to that. they are playing a game of legalese, - to that. they are playing a game of legalese, and - to that. they are playing a - game of legalese, and avoidance and obfuscation. _ game of legalese, and avoidance and obfuscation. and _ game of legalese, and avoidance and obfuscation. and we - game of legalese, and avoidance and obfuscation. and we do - game of legalese, and avoidance and obfuscation. and we do not. and obfuscation. and we do not accept — and obfuscation. and we do not accept that— and obfuscation. and we do not accept that they _ and obfuscation. and we do not accept that they were _ and obfuscation. and we do not accept that they were paid - and obfuscation. and we do not accept that they were paid for l accept that they were paid for those — accept that they were paid for those children. _ accept that they were paid for those children.— those children. they will have accurate records, _ those children. they will have accurate records, because - those children. they will have i accurate records, because they need the records, the church needed the records to show the government, that's who paid them, they have these students here. : :. . here. after the graves were found, here. after the graves were found. the _ here. after the graves were found, the sisters - here. after the graves were found, the sisters agreed i here. after the graves were | found, the sisters agreed to hand over their archives in 2025. at the museum is moving to a new location, and all their archives are set to be put into storage for the next few years. t put into storage for the next few years— few years. i think the combination - few years. i think the combination of- few years. i think the combination of the i few years. i think the i combination of the delay few years. i think the - combination of the delay in getting to the documents, and the rapid ageing of those participants that are still alive, is making the possibility of individual justice here evaporating like the morning mist.— justice here evaporating like the morning mist. when the sto of the morning mist. when the story of the _ the morning mist. when the story of the graves - the morning mist. when the story of the graves first - the morning mist. when the | story of the graves first came to light, prime ministerjustin trudeau made an appeal to the pope. t trudeau made an appeal to the po e. : , trudeau made an appeal to the poe, . , ., trudeau made an appeal to the poe. : , . , pope. i directly asked his holiness. _ pope. i directly asked his holiness, pope _ pope. i directly asked his holiness, pope francis, i pope. i directly asked his| holiness, pope francis, to pope. i directly asked his - holiness, pope francis, to move forward on apologising, on asking forforgiveness, forward on apologising, on asking for forgiveness, and restitution, on making these records available, and we are still saying resistance from the church, possibly from still saying resistance from the church, possibly from the church in canada. but the church, possibly from the church in canada.— the church, possibly from the church in canada. but he didn't acknowledge — church in canada. but he didn't acknowledge that _ church in canada. but he didn't acknowledge that his _ church in canada. but he didn't acknowledge that his own - acknowledge that his own government had not handed over all of their relevant records to the truth and reconciliation commission. including statements from over 38,000 abuse survivors. when the victims of abuse made their statements to the government, the churches that ran the schools were asked to take part in the process. ihie schools were asked to take part in the process.— in the process. we entered into the whole _ in the process. we entered into the whole agreement _ in the process. we entered into the whole agreement on - in the process. we entered into the whole agreement on the i the whole agreement on the condition that this would not be made public because we were not there to defend ourselves or to bring a different story forward, ortwo, or to bring a different story forward, or two, whatever. or to bring a different story forward, ortwo, whatever. now the first nations didn't want them to be made public because it is re— traumatising. find it is re- traumatising. and they say — it is re- traumatising. and they say this _ it is re- traumatising. and they say this is _ it is re- traumatising. and they say this is to - it is re- traumatising. and they say this is to protect | it is re— traumatising. and they say this is to protect the privacy— they say this is to protect the privacy of— they say this is to protect the privacy of the survivors, this is for— privacy of the survivors, this is for their— privacy of the survivors, this is for their own good, and when i is for their own good, and when i hear— is for their own good, and when i hear language like that, it is the — i hear language like that, it is the same paternalistic and colonial— is the same paternalistic and colonial outlook of "we, the great — colonial outlook of "we, the great white father, know what is good — great white father, know what is good for these peoples". it is good for these peoples". it is the — is good for these peoples". it is the same outlook that got us here _ is the same outlook that got us here in— is the same outlook that got us here in the first place. gn is the same outlook that got us here in the first place.- here in the first place. on 19 september. _ here in the first place. on 19 september, 2027, _ here in the first place. on 19 september, 2027, the - here in the first place. on 19 - september, 2027, the government is set to destroy much of the testimony from abuse survivors. potential evidence that could give information about the missing children, and perpetrators of abuse will be lost, arrays from canada's history. lost, arrays from canada's histo . �* , lost, arrays from canada's histo . j :: lost, arrays from canada's histo .j :: :, lost, arrays from canada's history-— lost, arrays from canada's histo .j :: . :, history. by 2027, all of those records will _ history. by 2027, all of those records will be _ history. by 2027, all of those records will be destroyed - records will be destroyed unless there is some intervention. the records were maintained by canada. there is nowjudicial maintained by canada. there is now judicial authority for those records to be destroyed. in what civilised country are historical records destroyed? historical records destroyed ? with judicial authority? historical records destroyed? with judicial authority? trio withjudicialauthority? no compensation will ever be paid for the — compensation will ever be paid for the damage that has been done — for the damage that has been done. but at least the story is told — done. but at least the story is told 50— done. but at least the story is told. so that it will help others _ told. so that it will help others. i told. so that it will help others. :, :, others. i never mentioned it to an bod others. i never mentioned it to anybody for — others. i never mentioned it to anybody for 65 _ others. i never mentioned it to anybody for 65 years, - others. i never mentioned it to anybody for 65 years, until - others. i never mentioned it to anybody for 65 years, until the | anybody for 65 years, until the 215 kids were found. then it gave me, like, permission to tell my story. gave me, like, permission to tell my story-— tell my story. soon after the discovery — tell my story. soon after the discovery of _ tell my story. soon after the discovery of the _ tell my story. soon after the discovery of the 215, - tell my story. soon after the discovery of the 215, we - tell my story. soon after the i discovery of the 215, we came down — discovery of the 215, we came down the _ discovery of the 215, we came down the highway, and there was a lineup— down the highway, and there was a lineup to — down the highway, and there was a lineup to get in here. hundreds of cars. people, standing on the side of the road — standing on the side of the road i_ standing on the side of the road. i cried, we cried. we said, — road. i cried, we cried. we said. oh— road. i cried, we cried. we said, oh my god, never before have _ said, oh my god, never before have i— said, oh my god, never before have i ever— said, oh my god, never before have i ever experienced something that huge. so overwhelming, but people just wanted — overwhelming, but people just wanted to be with you. singing in own language. good morning. it's been a mild november for many of us so far, and once again on friday we were seeing temperatures peaking way above the average for the time of year. in fact, in aberdeen we saw a high of 17 degrees, and in aberdeenshire generally there was a lot of blue sky and sunshine, particularly in the morning. but let's just fast—forward a few days. all is set to change, notjust in aberdeenshire, but a cold northerly wind will bring a dramatic change to the feel of the weather, i suspect, right across the country. so get out and enjoy saturday's weather if you can, still under this influence of high pressure, still relatively mild ahead of this frontal system that's going to continue to bring some outbreaks of rain out of scotland into northern ireland, gradually drifting towards north—west england and north wales. a very weak affair by then, some scattered sharp showers tucking in behind. now, ahead of that weather front, we'll continue to see some well broken cloud with some glimpses of sunshine, with highs of 12 degrees. but behind it, those temperatures are starting to fall away, and there will be plenty of frequent showers with that brisk northerly wind. the real cold air, though, is set to arrive during saturday into sunday. as that weather front continues to sink its way steadily southwards, it's going to drive that northerly wind direction right across the country, and you really will notice the difference to the feel of the weather when you wake first thing on sunday morning. in fact, in rural sheltered areas of scotland, we're going to see a touch of frost. but the temperatures are going to fall away further. so on sunday, yes, there will be lots of sunshine around. but a brisk northerly wind just taking the edge off the feel of the weather. and it could drive in plenty of coastal showers from time to time, with perhaps some of those showers just filtering a little bit further inland across south—east england. top temperatures on sunday a little more subdued — 8—10 degrees as a maximum. now, as we move out of sunday into monday and tuesday, we've still got that high pressure with us. still under the blue colours, that cold air circulating around that high pressure with that north—westerly flow. so basically, as we go through the week, it does look likely that the colder weather is set to stay with us, perhaps not quite as cold on wednesday, and then colder still towards the end of the week. that's when we run the risk, potentially, of a few wintry showers into the far north. this is bbc world news. i'm mark lobel. our top stories: a us teenager who shot dead two people and injured another during racialjustice protests last year has been found not guilty of murder in a trial that polarised america. as covid cases rise in europe, police in the netherlands fire warning shots at angry protests against new restrictions. belarus's authoritarian leader, alexander lukashenko, speaks exclusively to the bbc. he admits that his forces may have helped migrants cross into the european union. translation: i told the eu i'm not going to detain migrants i on the border, hold them at the border, and if they keep coming from now on, i still won't stop them. the women's tennis association threatens to pull out of china

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