welcome, it's up to 7 lovely to see you again. brexit allowed the uk to "take back control" of, among other things, its borders. yet this government has proved no more successful than its predecessors in stopping illegal migration. the problem may even be getting worse. on a single day last week, 1,185 people risked a perilous crossing in small boats from france to the east coast of england. the mystery is how they get into the shengen zone in the first place — that's eu countries you can travel between without passport checks. with no effective means of stopping the lucrative — and exploitative — trade in people smuggling, an australian—style solution is under consideration — transferring them for processing to albania on the other side of europe. and that no small expense. how are the migrants who end up in and around calais in france are thought to be getting there? it’s around calais in france are thought to be getting there?— to be getting there? it's easy because the _ to be getting there? it's easy because the point _ to be getting there? it's easy because the point of- to be getting there? it's easy because the point of the - to be getting there? it's easy i because the point of the single market is free movement of people so once you go in you can go anywhere. so they arrive in plenty they'll want to go to britain because they either have family there, because they speak english, because with brexit and global britain they think the roads are paved with gold in the pub and is not a french problem, it's a british problem and they think to solve that problem they have to welcome them and it's a moral tuesday. the french cannot do anything they do their best but the fact is that the british have not even paid for the french policing. is it fair to say, you said once they get into the zoning does not answer the question of how to get in and the first place because they are not documented to get into any of the shengen countries. you not documented to get into any of the shengen countries.— not documented to get into any of the shengen countries. you know very well the shengen _ the shengen countries. you know very well the shengen countries _ the shengen countries. you know very well the shengen countries are - the shengen countries. you know very well the shengen countries are quite l well the shengen countries are quite permeable to people coming in. you go degrees or to poland or to italy, it's very easy for people to get in. the problem is they don't want to stay in the eu. once they are in there is no refugee policy and no country that wants to welcome them in the present climates between coronavirus and the rise in the extreme right wing zealots up to the british government to sort that problem, not the eu. the people smugglers _ problem, not the eu. the people smugglers it _ problem, not the eu. the people smugglers it seems _ problem, not the eu. the people smugglers it seems to _ problem, not the eu. the people smugglers it seems to have - problem, not the eu. the people smugglers it seems to have a - smugglers it seems to have a outfoxed notjust this government but a succession of previous governments. could out of country processing be a game changer7 i processing be a game changer? i doubt it. this has always been an option _ doubt it. this has always been an option i— doubt it. this has always been an option. i rememberwhen michael howard _ option. i rememberwhen michael howard was leader of the conservative party and opposition and he _ conservative party and opposition and he came up with the idea of an island _ and he came up with the idea of an island where this process has happened. earlier in the century. and tony— happened. earlier in the century. and tony blair who was very defensive on this and pretty wary of taking _ defensive on this and pretty wary of taking the _ defensive on this and pretty wary of taking the conservatives on over this issue — taking the conservatives on over this issue so where is this island? and it _ this issue so where is this island? and it could — this issue so where is this island? and it could be specified. now we have _ and it could be specified. now we have heard about albania but we have also had _ have heard about albania but we have also had senior figures in albania saying _ also had senior figures in albania saying no, — also had senior figures in albania saying no, we're not going to do this _ saying no, we're not going to do this so — saying no, we're not going to do this so this— saying no, we're not going to do this. so this has been a constant thing _ this. so this has been a constant thing that— this. so this has been a constant thing that there would be a fantasy place _ thing that there would be a fantasy place where they could all gather and he _ place where they could all gather and be processed. sol place where they could all gather and be processed. so i doubt whether that will— and be processed. so i doubt whether that will he _ and be processed. so i doubt whether that will be a solution. but and be processed. so i doubt whether that will be a solution.— that will be a solution. but when ou look that will be a solution. but when you look at _ that will be a solution. but when you look at australia _ that will be a solution. but when you look at australia they - that will be a solution. but when you look at australia they had i you look at australia they had 20,000 people per year. the year acted a database of country on some pretty grim island that has to be said in the pacific, and numbers of people plummeted to 160. presumably if the people smugglers stop being able to deliver their contrast when you get them the money and guarantee they will get you to the coast then people will stop giving them the money. people will stop giving them the mone . , , , , money. yes, but where is this equivalent _ money. yes, but where is this equivalent island? _ money. yes, but where is this equivalent island? and - money. yes, but where is this equivalent island? and i - money. yes, but where is this equivalent island? and i think| money. yes, but where is this - equivalent island? and i think one of the _ equivalent island? and i think one of the very— equivalent island? and i think one of the very many interesting issues this raises— of the very many interesting issues this raises is not the key relationship for britain is a chilly not in _ relationship for britain is a chilly not in america, it's with friends. and it's — not in america, it's with friends. and it's disastrous at the moment. for relationships. but this is the geographical neighbour to the uk. this is— geographical neighbour to the uk. this is the — geographical neighbour to the uk. this is the country with many common interests _ this is the country with many common interests in _ this is the country with many common interests in terms of security and similar— interests in terms of security and similar size — interests in terms of security and similar size economies etc. and yet the way— similar size economies etc. and yet the way through this is to engage with friends and so it's very unfashionable to say it but just trying — unfashionable to say it but just trying to— unfashionable to say it but just trying to score points against france — trying to score points against france and vice versa, the political eiectorai— france and vice versa, the political electoral purposes is crazy. and it's important plus plus interest to have a _ it's important plus plus interest to have a good relationship with vincennes that's not specified solution _ vincennes that's not specified solution. but i think without that there _ solution. but i think without that there will— solution. but i think without that there will be no solution. the british interior _ there will be no solution. tie: british interior minister there will be no solution. tte: british interior minister and there will be no solution. t"t2 british interior minister and home secretary is her title in britain but people would understand it's the interior minister, she is in washington at the moment and she had a meeting with her us opposite number and there is clearly common ground in this concern about migration and border control. whether people are coming from central america to try to get into the united states or they are coming from the middle east and africa to try and get into the uk or other parts of the year up it cost them money. there is a real debate about how people are paying for this? is it from relatives who already live in the country sending money home or are they selling everything they have collected get in or are they poor people without much to sell to start with. how is this trade being financed7 start with. how is this trade being financed? ., �* ., ., financed? you're asking an interesting _ financed? you're asking an interesting question. - financed? you're asking an interesting question. so i financed? you're 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anticipating a conversation we will go to— anticipating a conversation we will go to next — anticipating a conversation we will go to next if— anticipating a conversation we will go to next if you _ anticipating a conversation we will go to next. if you look _ anticipating a conversation we will go to next. if you look at - anticipating a conversation we will go to next. if you look at what's . go to next. if you look at what's happening — go to next. if you look at what's happening in— go to next. if you look at what's happening in the _ go to next. if you look at what's happening in the belarus, - go to next. if you look at what'sl happening in the belarus, polish party— happening in the belarus, polish party with— happening in the belarus, polish party with migrants _ happening in the belarus, polish party with migrants there - happening in the belarus, polish party with migrants there are - happening in the belarus, polish| party with migrants there are not 'ust party with migrants 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vladimir putin. putin knows i but there is also a direct mindset l to vladimir putin. putin knows how to vladimir putin. putin knows how to he _ to vladimir putin. putin knows how to be stabilising _ to vladimir putin. putin knows how to be stabilising the _ to vladimir putin. putin knows how to be stabilising the migrant - to vladimir putin. putin knows how to be stabilising the migrant issuel to be stabilising the migrant issue is. to be stabilising the migrant issue is he _ to be stabilising the migrant issue is he site — to be stabilising the migrant issue is he site in— to be stabilising the migrant issue is. he site in 2015— to be stabilising the migrant issue is. he site in 2015 and _ to be stabilising the migrant issue is. he site in 2015 and he - to be stabilising the migrant issue is. he site in 2015 and he site i to be stabilising the migrant issue is. he site in 2015 and he site and| is. he site in 2015 and he site and it's one _ is. he site in 2015 and he site and it's one of— is. he site in 2015 and he site and it's one of the _ is. he site in 2015 and he site and it's one of the biggest _ is. he site in 2015 and he site and it's one of the biggest issues i is. he site in 2015 and he site and it's one of the biggest issues that| it's one of the biggest issues that led to— it's one of the biggest issues that led to the — it's one of the biggest issues that led to the brexit _ it's one of the biggest issues that led to the brexit vote _ it's one of the biggest issues that led to the brexit vote and - it's one of the biggest issues that led to the brexit vote and in i it's one of the biggest issues that. led to the brexit vote and in favour of brexit— led to the brexit vote and in favour of brexit here _ led to the brexit vote and in favour of brexit here back— led to the brexit vote and in favour of brexit here back then. _ led to the brexit vote and in favour of brexit here back then. and i led to the brexit vote and in favour of brexit here back then. and it's. of brexit here back then. and it's fair to— of brexit here back then. and it's fair to ask, — of brexit here back then. and it's fairtoask, is— of brexit here back then. and it's fair to ask, is this _ of brexit here back then. and it's fair to ask, is this just _ of brexit here back then. and it's fair to ask, is this just happening j fair to ask, is this just happening randomly? — fair to ask, is this just happening randomly? why— fair to ask, is this just happening randomly? why people - fair to ask, is this just happening randomly? why people selling i fair to ask, is this just happening i randomly? why people selling their homes _ randomly? why people selling their homes and — randomly? why people selling their homes and that _ randomly? why people selling their homes and that surging _ randomly? why people selling their homes and that surging or- randomly? why people selling their homes and that surging or is - randomly? why people selling their homes and that surging or is therel homes and that surging or is there someone — homes and that surging or is there someone putting _ homes and that surging or is there someone putting the _ homes and that surging or is there someone putting the strings? i- homes and that surging or is there i someone putting the strings? i would also ask— someone putting the strings? i would also ask around — someone putting the strings? i would also ask around brexit. _ someone putting the strings? i would also ask around brexit. how- someone putting the strings? i would also ask around brexit. how are i also ask around brexit. how are those _ also ask around brexit. how are those taking _ also ask around brexit. how are those taking back _ also ask around brexit. how are those taking back control- also ask around brexit. how are those taking back control of- also ask around brexit. how are those taking back control of the| those taking back control of the board _ those taking back control of the board is? — those taking back control of the board is? how— those taking back control of the board is? how is— those taking back control of the board is? how is that _ those taking back control of the board is? how is that going? i those taking back control of the i board is? how is that going? the rhetoric— board is? how is that going? the rhetoric was _ board is? how is that going? the rhetoric was very— board is? how is that going? the rhetoric was very easy, _ board is? how is that going? the rhetoric was very easy, the - board is? how is that going? the i rhetoric was very easy, the premises were high— rhetoric was very easy, the premises were high and— rhetoric was very easy, the premises were high and were _ rhetoric was very easy, the premises were high and were inflated. - rhetoric was very easy, the premises were high and were inflated. it's i were high and were inflated. it's clearly— were high and were inflated. it's clearly not — were high and were inflated. it's clearly not something _ were high and were inflated. it's clearly not something that - were high and were inflated. it's clearly not something that can . were high and were inflated. it'sl clearly not something that can be solved _ clearly not something that can be solved easily— clearly not something that can be solved easily and _ clearly not something that can be solved easily and frankly, - clearly not something that can be solved easily and frankly, i- clearly not something that can be solved easily and frankly, i am i clearly not something that can bel solved easily and frankly, i am not sure it _ solved easily and frankly, i am not sure it can— solved easily and frankly, i am not sure it can he_ solved easily and frankly, i am not sure it can be solved _ solved easily and frankly, i am not sure it can be solved at _ solved easily and frankly, i am not sure it can be solved at all- solved easily and frankly, i am not sure it can be solved at all until. sure it can be solved at all until you can — sure it can be solved at all until you can figure _ sure it can be solved at all until you can figure out _ sure it can be solved at all until you can figure out how- sure it can be solved at all until you can figure out how these i sure it can be solved at all until- you can figure out how these people are getting — you can figure out how these people are getting here _ you can figure out how these people are getting here and _ you can figure out how these people are getting here and somehow- are getting here and somehow discouraging _ are getting here and somehow discouraging but— are getting here and somehow discouraging but that - are getting here and somehow discouraging but that just i are getting here and somehow discouraging but that just is i are getting here and somehowl discouraging but thatjust is not going _ discouraging but thatjust is not going to — discouraging but thatjust is not going to happen— discouraging but thatjust is not going to happen easily- discouraging but thatjust is not going to happen easily and i discouraging but thatjust is not going to happen easily and look discouraging but thatjust is not. going to happen easily and look at the us _ going to happen easily and look at the us you — going to happen easily and look at the us. you are _ going to happen easily and look at the us. you are right, _ going to happen easily and look at the us. you are right, it's- going to happen easily and look at the us. you are right, it's a - the us. you are right, it's a constant _ the us. you are right, it's a constant flow. _ the us. you are right, it's a constant flow.— the us. you are right, it's a constant flow. people will recall that ou constant flow. people will recall that you were — constant flow. people will recall that you were a _ constant flow. people will recall that you were a brexit - constant flow. people will recall that you were a brexit step i constant flow. people will recall that you were a brexit step ? i constant flow. people will recall i that you were a brexit step ? brexit that you were a brexit step 7 brexit sceptic. a european world very keen and i can see at the more of the queen over your shoulder, as somebody who supported brexit, how would you respond to that? t think would you respond to that? i think that's a point _ would you respond to that? i think that's a point brexit _ would you respond to that? i think that's a point brexit because i i that's a point brexit because i thought that was the wish of the british people and i was right in that way but they never support the mess that was coming next. it's quite clear that the europeans who left want to be replaced by non—europeans because the british government does not want non—europeans and so brexit failure is there and the fact that they are not ready to open the frontier to replace the europeans who left and many of them left with the lack of manpower and to welcome people other than in europe. i thought brexit was all about having immigration and equal rights between europe and nine you up but they don't seem to want to spend on europeans and i think one important thing to go with it essential that the british are working with the french because the friends it's a disaster situation. on the one hand, immigration is on top of the agenda because of all the mess and what you see in belarus and displaces. in the presidential election with more than 50%, two candidates on the extreme right and more than 50% in the polls is against immigration and it's taking taking resources away from the french to fight their own battle against illegal immigration from northern africa and western africa. it would be a tragic mistake... mistake... it would be a "tragic mistake", the british prime minister observed this week, if russia embarked on what he called "military adventurism" on the borders of poland and ukraine. yet why would president putin take the risk? after all, the use of migrants as pawns on one external border of the european union — poland's — and inducements and threats over gas supplies to bind moldova and ukraine closer, and to make energy—hungry western europe think twice, seems to be serving him pretty well. what exactly do you think is writing a printing's strategy7 what exactly do you think is writing a printing's strategy?— a printing's strategy? vladimir putin has a — a printing's strategy? vladimir putin has a habit _ a printing's strategy? vladimir putin has a habit of _ a printing's strategy? vladimir putin has a habit of poking i a printing's strategy? vladimir putin has a habit of poking the a printing's strategy? vladimir i putin has a habit of poking the west and destabilising at every opportunity he can. we have seen it with cyber war andrees the invasion of crimea in 2014 and this is a particularly vulnerable time in europe and the west. angela merkel is handing over power, and joe biden has yet to assert a rush of doctoring which shows where he stands and he says he is hawkish and it's not clear. putin is having a lot of fun testing and pushing an inspiring and this is what he does well and he still feels as though a lot of russians of his generation a sense of bitterness about the break—up of the soviet union and the annexation of former soviet states into nato and this is that continued poking and provoking and testing of nato and of the west. irate poking and provoking and testing of nato and of the west.— poking and provoking and testing of nato and of the west. we heard from president lukashenko _ nato and of the west. we heard from president lukashenko on _ nato and of the west. we heard from president lukashenko on friday, i nato and of the west. we heard from president lukashenko on friday, he l president lukashenko on friday, he spoke to the bbc and he basically said i did not invite these migrants but it's absolutely possible my trips were helping them over the border into poland. the fact is it's a humanitarian tragedy unfolding on the border and the polls don't seem to be helping very much because they are basically banning ngos and banning people tickle and provide health care and they're basically saying you can't come and see what's going on here. is there a danger the end up looking like a filling? the eu contrary _ end up looking like a filling? the eu contrary to — end up looking like a filling? tt2 eu contrary to some of the mythologies, we weren't going to brexit but contrary to some of the mythologies in the build up to that referendum has fairly limited autonomous power so the eu does not have a collective foreign policy. that's why britain could back the war in iraq and france and germany did not. , , , , did not. so,... this ends up being one of its — did not. so,... this ends up being one of its member _ did not. so,... this ends up being one of its member states - did not. so,... this ends up being one of its member states does i did not. so,... this ends up being one of its member states does onj did not. so,... this ends up being i one of its member states does on its border and it reflects on all europeans. border and it reflects on all europeans-— border and it reflects on all euro eans. �* , ., ., europeans. and they will have to work out what _ europeans. and they will have to work out what to _ europeans. and they will have to work out what to do _ europeans. and they will have to work out what to do about i europeans. and they will have to work out what to do about it. i europeans. and they will have to | work out what to do about it. but the point i was making, the mechanisms when there is an internal crisis and humanitarian crisis now in one of its countries is not wholly formed and so yeah, it's a test for them and it's a failure for them at the moment and implies they were many levers to pull and they have not pulled them. they don't exist and they have to get their act together collectively and try to do something and you are right because it's one of its members and that is the obligation but the mechanisms aren't really in place. is this one of the problems that part of this is the constant thoughts in european mines in the minds of the diplomats in the political leaders is what is putting up to? d0 in the political leaders is what is putting up to?— in the political leaders is what is -auttin uto? ., ., , ., putting up to? do we want to provoke and it's very — putting up to? do we want to provoke and it's very interesting _ putting up to? do we want to provoke and it's very interesting a _ putting up to? do we want to provoke and it's very interesting a few - and it's very interesting a few weeks ago the next thing i could do a stop for gas that has to flow through the pipe and it's kind of compromise that they tell strong european response has been. whether it's belarus or russia. it’s european response has been. whether it's belarus or russia.— it's belarus or russia. it's really depending _ it's belarus or russia. it's really depending on — it's belarus or russia. it's really depending on russian _ it's belarus or russia. it's really depending on russian gas. i it's belarus or russia. it's really depending on russian gas. 35%| it's belarus or russia. it's really l depending on russian gas. 35% of it's belarus or russia. it's really i depending on russian gas. 35% of the consumption comes from russia and of course the countries that depend the most, more than 50% of their need is germany, france, an entity and those are very important eu countries. so, there is no liberating it and there's also the suspension by a the german regulator of the pipeline between russia and northern germany which is not helping the situation and the energy situation in general is really bad. on the supply side. so there's absolutely no parole for the eu reach he said has no defence policy in general. the only thing that could play would be a bit worried about is that europe has two good armies and nuclear nations and nations with a permanent seat, britain and france but of course the french bashing by mrjohnson does not help. french bashing by mrjohnson does not hel. ., ., , ., not help. you mentioned this whole auestion not help. you mentioned this whole question of— not help. you mentioned this whole question of a _ not help. you mentioned this whole question of a biting _ not help. you mentioned this whole question of a biting policy _ not help. you mentioned this whole question of a biting policy but i not help. you mentioned this whole question of a biting policy but it's i question of a biting policy but it's clear that's important for troops on the borderjoe biden agreed estimates and they had this big theatrical event in geneva when suddenly there were two partitions on the same status again which i'm sure putin was very pleased about but i wonder if there was a danger of an accidental crisis here that we are pushing the idea of ukraine at getting membership of nato and the british said they will start sending weapons to ukraine, could in a situation where he might act sooner rather than later because he fears the consequences of what might happen later7 he's already gone into part of ukraine and crimea and he went into moldova and the peacekeepers never left and when one wonders about the stability here. t wonders about the stability here. i think it would be unwise to try to speculate — think it would be unwise to try to speculate what his real motives are. he did _ speculate what his real motives are. he did this— speculate what his real motives are. he did this in 2014 and he invaded crimea _ he did this in 2014 and he invaded crimea and — he did this in 2014 and he invaded crimea and he did it in the spring and put _ crimea and he did it in the spring and put troops on the border and he pulled _ and put troops on the border and he pulled back— and put troops on the border and he pulled back and now he's doing it again _ pulled back and now he's doing it again is— pulled back and now he's doing it again. is hejust pulled back and now he's doing it again. is he just provoking or easy testing _ again. is he just provoking or easy testing to — again. is he just provoking or easy testing to see how much by then and the eu _ testing to see how much by then and the eu will— testing to see how much by then and the eu will tolerate this kind of publication and we simply don't know there's— publication and we simply don't know there's always been a danger that things— there's always been a danger that things go— there's always been a danger that things go wrong that missiles are fired and — things go wrong that missiles are fired and people are killed and it escalates. this is very much on both sides— escalates. this is very much on both sides and _ escalates. this is very much on both sides and a — escalates. this is very much on both sides and a wire for the hearts and minds _ sides and a wire for the hearts and minds of— sides and a wire for the hearts and minds of people. and he is going to reclaim _ minds of people. and he is going to reclaim its — minds of people. and he is going to reclaim its former glory. but to go back but— reclaim its former glory. but to go back but to — reclaim its former glory. but to go back but to go back to belarus and whether— back but to go back to belarus and whether or— back but to go back to belarus and whether or not put in an lukashenko provoke _ whether or not put in an lukashenko provoke it _ whether or not put in an lukashenko provoke it 7 — whether or not put in an lukashenko provoke it ? it will be problematic to defend — provoke it ? it will be problematic to defend not letting people in if they are — to defend not letting people in if they are literally freezing to death on the _ they are literally freezing to death on the polish border. so putin is playing — on the polish border. so putin is playing this weapon amazing of migration and is publication in ukraine — migration and is publication in ukraine. putin is playing a hardball i’ili'it ukraine. putin is playing a hardball right now— ukraine. putin is playing a hardball right now and it's not clear where this takes— right now and it's not clear where this takes us. it's a frightening situation — this takes us. it's a frightening situation particularly when you see the real— situation particularly when you see the real lives at stake here. a fortnight ago, borisjohnson dragooned his parliamentary colleagues through the division lobbies to defend a friend and former minister who'd been found to have breached the rules on outside interests. last week, as we discussed on dateline, mrjohnson changed his mind. the mp concerned, facing likely suspension, quit parliament altogether. this week, the prime minister has described his original position as "a total mistake", and announced a crackdown against mps taking second jobs. in the process, he's managed to unite the opposition and many in his own party — in contempt for his leadership. he described it as having driven the car on a clear day into a ditch. who or what had been the casualties of that lamentable piece of political steering7 that lamentable piece of political steerin: ? �* , that lamentable piece of political steerin: ? �*, ., ~ that lamentable piece of political steerinu? �*, ., ~ ., that lamentable piece of political steerinu? �*, . ~ ., , steering? let's talk about his leadership- — steering? let's talk about his leadership. boris _ steering? let's talk about his leadership. boris johnson i steering? let's talk about his | leadership. boris johnson has steering? let's talk about his - leadership. boris johnson has become leadership. borisjohnson has become a cliche and got away with things. and remain incredibly popular. what we know for sure at the moment is as you said, his own mps are deeply unhappy about the last two weeks. and that makes a tory prime minister more fragile. and they became difficult to do it in government as they labour parliamentary pastorally and it used to be at times. that's one consequence. as another consequence about whether the polls are shifting. there is conflicting evidence about that. but if they did, he's great ace card, his source of authority goes but then there is a wider issue about what the uk wants that westminster parliament to be doing and already i think the fashion for electing local people based on their contribution to the local community has led to less weighty representation in the house of commons and by turning this into an issue about second jobs rather than an attempt by borisjohnson to help the terry and pon pattison means there is a risk that you actually narrowed the pole further of those who want to go into politics. so i don't think second jobs are inherently catastrophic for elected politicians. but that could be a third consequence that you narrowed those who go into the comments and i would be a bad thing. it seems to become a theological debate about how many hours and what sort of jobs debate about how many hours and what sort ofjobs are acceptable. as an outsider and an anglophile, somebody who has an affection for the uk and all that unusual things about its system, what's your take on this? is it the meaningful discussion we are having? tt it the meaningful discussion we are havin: ? , it the meaningful discussion we are havin.? , , , it the meaningful discussion we are havinu? ,, , ., it the meaningful discussion we are havim? ,, , ., ., having? it is because one of the thins i having? it is because one of the things i admire _ having? it is because one of the things i admire since _ having? it is because one of the things i admire since i - having? it is because one of the things i admire since i arrived . having? it is because one of the i things i admire since i arrived here it's the _ things i admire since i arrived here it's the hard — things i admire since i arrived here it's the hard work they do and that constituents there almost social workers — constituents there almost social workers and the local presence compared to the content into where there _ compared to the content into where there is— compared to the content into where there is proportional representation and no _ there is proportional representation and no one — there is proportional representation and no one knows european parliaments play a very little role in checking on the circumstances of its a very— in checking on the circumstances of its a very sad situation. i would be that they— its a very sad situation. i would be that they stop all outside jobs e> heavy— do extra work that is taking on the heavy workload but on the whole, great _ heavy workload but on the whole, great defender of the british parliament. it's a marvellous institution. the house of commons. we believe — institution. the house of commons. we believe that for another night. that's a separate programme. it might be helpful because you talked about this change not necessarily the quantity of mps but the range of experiences. give us a taxonomy of tories. is there a distinction between that pretty tories and the tories that have come in since his big massive limb in 20197 tt tories that have come in since his big massive limb in 2019?- tories that have come in since his big massive limb in 2019? if you ran in areas which _ big massive limb in 2019? if you ran in areas which were _ big massive limb in 2019? if you ran in areas which were traditionally i in areas which were traditionally labour— in areas which were traditionally labour you — in areas which were traditionally labour you are _ in areas which were traditionally labour you are bound _ in areas which were traditionally labour you are bound to - in areas which were traditionally labour you are bound to elect i labour you are bound to elect different _ labour you are bound to elect different types _ labour you are bound to elect different types of— labour you are bound to elect different types of mps - labour you are bound to elect different types of mps and i labour you are bound to electj different types of mps and on labour you are bound to elect i different types of mps and on this issue _ different types of mps and on this issue they— different types of mps and on this issue they are _ different types of mps and on this issue they are very _ different types of mps and on this issue they are very clear, - different types of mps and on this issue they are very clear, most i different types of mps and on this issue they are very clear, most of| issue they are very clear, most of them _ issue they are very clear, most of them are — issue they are very clear, most of them are thrilled _ issue they are very clear, most of them are thrilled to _ issue they are very clear, most of them are thrilled to be _ issue they are very clear, most of them are thrilled to be earning i issue they are very clear, most ofl them are thrilled to be earning the level of— them are thrilled to be earning the level of income _ them are thrilled to be earning the level of income that _ them are thrilled to be earning the level of income that nmp - them are thrilled to be earning the level of income that nmp gets i level of income that nmp gets whereas— level of income that nmp gets whereas some _ level of income that nmp gets whereas some of _ level of income that nmp gets whereas some of the - level of income that nmp gets whereas some of the older- level of income that nmp gets . whereas some of the older think level of income that nmp gets i whereas some of the older think we can add _ whereas some of the older think we can add a _ whereas some of the older think we can add a lot — whereas some of the older think we can add a lot more. _ whereas some of the older think we can add a lot more. what— whereas some of the older think we can add a lot more. what is- whereas some of the older think we can add a lot more. what is going . can add a lot more. what is going on. can add a lot more. what is going on this _ can add a lot more. what is going on this is — can add a lot more. what is going on this is all— can add a lot more. what is going on. this is all being _ can add a lot more. what is going on. this is all being stopped. i can add a lot more. what is going on. this is all being stopped. so i on. this is all being stopped. so it's an _ on. this is all being stopped. so it's an example _ on. this is all being stopped. so it's an example of— on. this is all being stopped. so it's an example of quite - on. this is all being stopped. so it's an example of quite a - it's an example of quite a significant _ it's an example of quite a significant divide - it's an example of quite a significant divide and i it's an example of quite a significant divide and thisj it's an example of quite a i significant divide and this issue has thrown _ significant divide and this issue has thrown it _ significant divide and this issue has thrown it up _ significant divide and this issue has thrown it up but _ significant divide and this issue has thrown it up but i- significant divide and this issue has thrown it up but i think- significant divide and this issue i has thrown it up but i think other issues _ has thrown it up but i think other issues will— has thrown it up but i think other issues will do _ has thrown it up but i think other issues will do so _ has thrown it up but i think other issues will do so and _ has thrown it up but i think other issues will do so and would - has thrown it up but i think other issues will do so and would have| issues will do so and would have done _ issues will do so and would have done so — issues will do so and would have done so because _ issues will do so and would have done so because this _ issues will do so and would have done so because this is - issues will do so and would have done so because this is highly. done so because this is highly unusual— done so because this is highly unusual what's— done so because this is highly unusual what's happened - done so because this is highly unusual what's happened and | done so because this is highly. unusual what's happened and it's been _ unusual what's happened and it's been called — unusual what's happened and it's been called the _ unusual what's happened and it's been called the redwall - unusual what's happened and it's been called the redwall and - unusual what's happened and it's. been called the redwall and there's this acceptance _ been called the redwall and there's this acceptance that _ been called the redwall and there's this acceptance that this _ been called the redwall and there's this acceptance that this has - this acceptance that this has happened _ this acceptance that this has happened but— this acceptance that this has happened but it _ this acceptance that this has happened but it remains - this acceptance that this has - happened but it remains remarkable. that a _ happened but it remains remarkable. that a party— happened but it remains remarkable. that a party in— happened but it remains remarkable. that a party in the _ happened but it remains remarkable. that a party in the 1980s _ happened but it remains remarkable. that a party in the 1980s got - that a party in the 1980s got nowhere _ that a party in the 1980s got nowhere near— that a party in the 1980s got nowhere near any— that a party in the 1980s got nowhere near any of - that a party in the 1980s got nowhere near any of the - that a party in the 1980s got. nowhere near any of the seats. that a party in the 1980s got - nowhere near any of the seats. and he won _ nowhere near any of the seats. and he won millions _ nowhere near any of the seats. and he won millions of _ nowhere near any of the seats. and he won millions of them _ nowhere near any of the seats. and he won millions of them and - nowhere near any of the seats. and he won millions of them and it- nowhere near any of the seats. and he won millions of them and it still| he won millions of them and it still being _ he won millions of them and it still being worked — he won millions of them and it still being worked through _ he won millions of them and it still being worked through what - he won millions of them and it still being worked through what those i being worked through what those implications— being worked through what those implications are. _ being worked through what those implications are. one _ being worked through what those implications are.— being worked through what those implications are. one of the other thins implications are. one of the other things that _ implications are. one of the other things that people _ implications are. one of the other things that people in _ implications are. one of the other things that people in the - implications are. one of the other things that people in the north . implications are. one of the other things that people in the north of| things that people in the north of england in particular those labour seats might have been mixed by the announcement to speak on transport entering connections which might seem very parochial to people watching on the well but actually it seems to be a test. it’s watching on the well but actually it seems to be a test.— seems to be a test. it's not parochial — seems to be a test. it's not parochial at _ seems to be a test. it's not parochial at all. _ seems to be a test. it's not parochial at all. this - seems to be a test. it's not parochial at all. this is - seems to be a test. it's not parochial at all. this is in l seems to be a test. it's not - parochial at all. this is in every country they have in equities and the economy of this country is so centralised in london and in the south and this north—south divide to hear about so much borisjohnson ran on the principle of living up reaching out to the north and creating structures and so the north could grow in the 2ist century. a big part of that is high—speed rail. the uk is so far behind spain and france and so many other countries and high—speed rail in europe. it's laughable and hs2 the project under way that he cut back this week, he cut it back to the eastern side of the country up to leads and albany to edinboro but she kept the arm going up to manchester through birmingham. he has now created an east, west divide in the north and it's going it's not been received well. the notion that the country can't afford it is being countered. you can't afford not to do this, you have to get infrastructure for the zist have to get infrastructure for the 2ist century and by redwall or the blue wall that steve talked about that knocked over the redwall in the last election the election of so many tories and labour seats is now in question and certainly in the east and places like leeds and newcastle that had expected to be part of this new opportunity that's going to take years to build. under construction now and now he dialled it back. so borisjohnson ran on very few policies. taking back control of the board is for migraines and leveling up and both of those are now undermined. thank ou all of those are now undermined. thank you all very — of those are now undermined. thank you all very much. _ of those are now undermined. thank you all very much. good _ of those are now undermined. thank you all very much. good to - of those are now undermined. thank you all very much. good to talk - of those are now undermined. thank you all very much. good to talk to i you all very much. good to talk to you, we are out of time. have a good weekend, goodbye. good evening. it has been a cloudy day today. at some places have seen some pleasant autumn sunshine and the eastern side of scotland towards abby we have seen temperatures up to 17 celsius. that mild air has been i7 celsius. that mild air has been with us to end the working week but it's all about to change if you have not heard yet. temperatures will tumble down by the time we get to sunday and will keep that cold air throughout next week. something even colder potentially by the end of next week. while we have been in this mild stream of atlantic southwestern during the day today, it's behind this band of rain that will continue for the north and west of scotland across orkney into the western isles through this evening and the cold air is sitting. in the south we have got breaks in the cloud and temperatures connected but also less likely to be mist and low cloud possible with some fog around. certainly some fog in the coast and over the hills. i will let the funds to saturday morning progresses across scotland and northern ireland with a spell of wet weather but behind it we will see bright skies returning further south with a lot of mist and cloudy again with some brightness and sunshine after early fog lifts away and it will sit on the hills and be mild. a drop in temperature with the bright sky for the north and some blessed showers as the wind direction changes. that is what will bring the change in wind direction from that atlantic southwestern to an arctic northern fair saturday and sunday. it would be slow to clear away on sunday in the south so we will still see a mild night inside and here is on sunday but it will start to feel cold and we have in the north. we will see showers coming down with winter over the hills in the north with further south and it will continue to see showers and a strong wind blowing through the eastern side of the channel. it will accentuate the chill, did you see the temperature? has he go sunday into monday the frost will be more widespread. this is the towns and cities of the countryside with the frost south as well. into next week it will get colder may be gone with a greater risk of snow so stay tuned. this is bbc news. the headlines at 8pm. us teenager kyle rittenhouse, who shot and killed two men during racialjustice protests in kenosha, wisconsin last year, has been cleared of all charges. during the high—profile and politically divisive trial, his defence said he had feared for his life. prosecutors argued the 18—year—old was looking for trouble that night. here, and the double child—killer colin pitchfork, who was released two months ago, has been arrested and returned to prison over a breach of licence conditions. he was jailed for murdering two teenage girls in the 19805. austria announces the toughest actions in europe to come back to run a virus. the country cousin to fall lockdown on monday and will become mandatory for people to be vaccinated from early next year. cricket bosses promise action after the racism experienced

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