the husband of the detained british—iranian aid worker, nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe, is ending his hunger strike outside the foreign office after 21 days. hundreds of migrants remain trapped along the border between belarus and poland — caught up in the middle of a political stand—off. and, the conservatorship that's controlled britney spears�* life for 13 years has been brought to an end. welcome to glasgow and the cop26 negotiations — which are now in overtime, as negotiators from nearly 200 countries try to strike a deal on tackling climate change. a new draft agreement was published this morning. let's bring you some of the main points. most crucially, the reference to phasing out inefficient fossile fuel subsidies is still in the agreement. even after some countries reportedly wanted to remove it. the deal also asks all countries to upgrade their climate pledges next year, and rich countries are asked to double their climate adaptation finance by 2025 from 2019 levels. with more, here's our science and environment correspondent, rebecca morelle. from wildfires thatjust kept on burning, to devastating droughts as temperatures soared, and floods that destroyed homes and lives, extremes have become the new normal. so, at the climate talks in glasgow, can a deal be done to stop things getting worse? the talks in here have now gone into overtime, and negotiators have had yet another sleepless night. and this morning a third draft of a possible agreement has been published. the question is, can enough be done in the next few hours to finally push this over the line? so, we are on the third draft now of this cover agreement, and when the first draft came out we all said, oh, it's got lots of things in it we haven't seen before, including reference to fossil fuels for the first time, reference to phasing out coal, reference to 1.5 degrees, reference to the challenge in 2030. it's all still in there in this third draft, and i have to say it's looking really positive for a strong conclusion at the end of glasgow. there are still some sticking points, though. one is whether countries should come back next year with better emissions cutting plans. some here want to delay this until 2025. what has been a real problem at this cop is we've arrived and we have an implementation gap, not enough has happened before, and so people are going, ok, it's a pledge, what does that really mean and are you going to actually deliver on it? so i think the next year has to be about delivery, delivery, delivery. there are also some issues for developing countries like bangladesh. they are facing the worst impacts of climate change, but it's not their greenhouse gases that have caused the problem, and they want richer nations to pay. rich countries created it, so they owe money. and they have actually promised money, they have promised $100 billion a year. and they haven't delivered it. in fact, they have inserted language, which is most peculiar language, saying they apologise that they haven't delivered it. what are they coming here to do? with the talks now well into extra time, the shutters are already going down on the conference centre. delegates are packed and ready to go home. everyone is hoping an agreement will be reached today, but there's still a lot of work to do. in the last few minutes, the president of cop26, alok sharma, herds words were, "my intention is that we will close this cop summit this afternoon. it was supposed to close yesterday. he said collectively that this draft agreement was a package that moves things forward for everyone. here is more of what he had to say. over the past months and the last — he had to say. over the past months and the last weeks, _ he had to say. over the past months and the last weeks, i've _ he had to say. over the past months and the last weeks, i've now- he had to say. over the past months and the last weeks, i've now people | and the last weeks, i've now people have been working overnight for several days now, say thank you very much for that. as you have seen, there are a number of parties that are still wanting to have a discussion to resolve issues. i have decided that i think it would be useful to allow a little bit more time to allow these discussions to take place, and i hope we can have some resolutions before a formally start this. so what i would propose is that we start formally at around 2.30. let are colleagues having discussions right now and i think it is right and proper that we give them time to resolve the issues. i would also like to make clear that it is my intention that we will close at this cop this afternoon, this will close. at the end of the day what is being put forward here is a balanced package, everyone has had a chance to have their say, and i hope that colleagues will appreciate that what is on the table here, whilst not every aspect of it will be welcomed by everyone, collectively this is a package that really moves things forward for everyone. with that, i would ask for your latitude, and just say that we will start at 2.30, this informal plenary, and then we will get going. thank you very much, thanks for your patience. be thank you very much, thanks for your atience. �* . ., ,., , thank you very much, thanks for your atience. �* . ., , ., patience. be at about 25 minutes or so away from _ patience. be at about 25 minutes or so away from the _ patience. be at about 25 minutes or so away from the delegates - patience. be at about 25 minutes or so away from the delegates coming | so away from the delegates coming back to sit down and actually give speeches in the hall to give us some sense of where that they are. alok sharma had been trying to get them set down for a while, but clearly they were a number of animated discussions going on around the hall, with the hope that those discussions could produce an un—sticking of any sticking points. joining me now is our reality check correspondent, chris morris. interesting that alok sharma is trying to put some time constraint on this, putting pressure on the delegates saying let's get this done. what are the chances of all this wrapping up this afternoon? i think it's a possibility. there are so many things to talk about, but it was interesting watching the huddles in the room before alok sharma addressed the delegates. there were people from developing countries, representatives from those countries around john carey, the us envoy. another huddle of countries around the eu envoy. that kind of sums up what is going on—it is the rich world and the financial muscle they can provide, and at the developing world science you are not giving it fast enough. those images sum up has been going on and in the last couple of days of debate, really. if you want is ending the developing order to make the sweeping changes which the science and you say is necessary, which is the money? fin the science and you say is necessary, which is the money? on at that oint necessary, which is the money? on at that point that — necessary, which is the money? on at that point that i _ necessary, which is the money? on at that point that i look _ necessary, which is the money? on at that point that i look sharma - necessary, which is the money? 0n at that point that i look sharma made, collectively and that this is a package that moves things forward for everyone, that's up for discussion, isn't it? —— alok sharma. discussion, isn't it? -- alok shama— discussion, isn't it? -- alok sharma. ., , ., sharma. he also said everyone is not auoin to sharma. he also said everyone is not going to get — sharma. he also said everyone is not going to get everything _ sharma. he also said everyone is not going to get everything they - sharma. he also said everyone is not going to get everything they want. i l going to get everything they want. i think one of the more important lines is that what is called these ratchets in the draft, in other words the amount of emissions they are going to cut, consider being five years as envisaged under the paris agreement, in this draft it is every year. so every four people have to come back next year to make some new pledges. that have to come back next year to make some new pledges.— have to come back next year to make some new pledges. that create some momentum. — some new pledges. that create some momentum, doesn't _ some new pledges. that create some momentum, doesn't it? _ some new pledges. that create some momentum, doesn't it? each - some new pledges. that create some momentum, doesn't it? each state i some new pledges. that create some momentum, doesn't it? each state isj momentum, doesn't it? each state is a key date. — momentum, doesn't it? each state is a key date. but _ momentum, doesn't it? each state is a key date, but the _ momentum, doesn't it? each state is a key date, but the science _ momentum, doesn't it? each state is a key date, but the science tells - momentum, doesn't it? each state is a key date, but the science tells us . a key date, but the science tells us that, basically, a missions need to be cut in half by 2030 if there is any hope of getting to the 1.5 degrees rise in temperature above preindustrial levels, if you want to limit the temperature rise to 1.5 degrees you need to have emissions very rapidly in the next decade. that ratchet, coming back next year, political pressure, if there are sufficient money to go with it, it is a big step forward. [30 sufficient money to go with it, it is a big step forward.— sufficient money to go with it, it is a big step forward. do you think that bodes — is a big step forward. do you think that bodes in _ is a big step forward. do you think that bodes in enough _ is a big step forward. do you think. that bodes in enough transparency, accountability on those climate plans, contributions? that subject of accountability, how you measure prom edges and pledges made here, thatis prom edges and pledges made here, that is a big issue, isn't it? it is, it will continue to be a big issue after this conference ends. there is no point in having measured pledges if they are not measured in at the same way. sometimes people submit plans that do not stand up to scrutiny as much as other plans. the system is incredibly complicated, but it needs to be robust. at the end of the day a tonne of carbon being emitted into the atmosphere does the same amount of damage from whatever source, whatever country it comes. everything matters in this process. i'm joined now by gabriela blucher, executive director at 0xfam international. thank you for your time today. i notice when this draft agreement was assured, 0xfam issued a statement saying the world's poorest countries are in danger of being lost from view. we need the strongest possible outcome. today, what do you make of word we are with this draft agreement and the direction of travel we have seen here in glasgow? we are particularly concerned about the issue _ we are particularly concerned about the issue of the lasting damage finance — the issue of the lasting damage finance facility in the draft, and that has— finance facility in the draft, and that has been a demand from developing countries for some time, which _ developing countries for some time, which is _ developing countries for some time, which is essential to really address the worst— which is essential to really address the worst consequences of climate disasters _ the worst consequences of climate disasters across the world. if loss and damage is not available, then those _ and damage is not available, then those most affected who actually did the least _ those most affected who actually did the least to cause the current situation, _ the least to cause the current situation, have nowhere to go. obviously. _ situation, have nowhere to go. obviously, examples in the pacific, if we _ obviously, examples in the pacific, if we don't — obviously, examples in the pacific, if we don't achieve 1.5 degrees, which _ if we don't achieve 1.5 degrees, which at — if we don't achieve 1.5 degrees, which at the moment we are not on track— which at the moment we are not on track to— which at the moment we are not on track to achieving, then we will expect, — track to achieving, then we will expect, unfortunately, more and more extreme— expect, unfortunately, more and more extreme weather events that will affect _ extreme weather events that will affect growing numbers of the populations. that is at the moment no provision — populations. that is at the moment no provision to support those people — no provision to support those people. for example, when it generally— people. for example, when it generally had the floods recently germany — generally had the floods recently germany produce around 30 billion to support— germany produce around 30 billion to sopport the _ germany produce around 30 billion to support the families affected by the floods. _ support the families affected by the floods, that is one with event in one country. at the moment for most of the _ one country. at the moment for most of the developing world there is still money available for that type of situation, which is unfortunately increasingly impossible. this is something that developing countries are really— something that developing countries are really calling for. the majority of the _ are really calling for. the majority of the emissions, over 90%, have been _ of the emissions, over 90%, have been caused by the richest countries, the greatest polluters, and the _ countries, the greatest polluters, and the need to be a facility to readdress _ and the need to be a facility to readdress and ensure that those most affected _ readdress and ensure that those most affected can be compensated. even readdress and ensure that those most affected can be compensated.- affected can be compensated. even if there is money _ affected can be compensated. even if there is money going _ affected can be compensated. even if there is money going forward, - affected can be compensated. even if there is money going forward, we - affected can be compensated. even if| there is money going forward, we now previous pledges from wealthier nations haven't been fulfilled, that $100 billion in climate finance period a year, that has not been fulfilled. even if fletch on future finance are fulfilled, you seem to be saying there is to be money to take account of the damage that has already been done in order to allow people in the nose developing countries to basically get back on at their feet? countries to basically get back on at theirfeet? —— even if pledges on future finance. the at their feet? -- even if pledges on future finance.— future finance. the 100 billion was led . ed future finance. the 100 billion was pledged back _ future finance. the 100 billion was pledged back in. — future finance. the 100 billion was pledged back in, copan _ future finance. the 100 billion was pledged back in, copan here - future finance. the 100 billion was | pledged back in, copan here begin, more _ pledged back in, copan here begin, more than — pledged back in, copan here begin, more than ten years ago, it hasn't been _ more than ten years ago, it hasn't been fulfilled. —— cup and hagan. at the moment, — been fulfilled. —— cup and hagan. at the moment, it is said there will be a doubling — the moment, it is said there will be a doubling of the ambition of the adaptation part. f.c. double ambition— adaptation part. f.c. double ambition of the 2019 result in adaptation we would reach 40 billion by 2025— adaptation we would reach 40 billion by 2025 per year for adaptation. so that's— by 2025 per year for adaptation. so that's developing countries putting any measures that could support communities affected, that can adapt to the _ communities affected, that can adapt to the impact of climate change. when _ to the impact of climate change. when we — to the impact of climate change. when we speak about loss and damage and dating _ when we speak about loss and damage and dating for a new finance facility, _ and dating for a new finance facility, it's when you can no longer— facility, it's when you can no longer adapt, when there is a reputable catastrophic damage. it requires _ reputable catastrophic damage. it requires a — reputable catastrophic damage. it requires a special fund and this is what _ requires a special fund and this is what we — requires a special fund and this is what we are talking about. it is a continuum — what we are talking about. it is a continuum between mitigation to prevent— continuum between mitigation to prevent adaptation, when at the damage — prevent adaptation, when at the damage already happening, when there are measures you can put in place to protect— are measures you can put in place to protect communities, and then when the worst— protect communities, and then when the worst disasters hit then you are into loss _ the worst disasters hit then you are into loss and damage. do the worst disasters hit then you are into loss and damage.— into loss and damage. do you think that the plan _ into loss and damage. do you think that the plan to _ into loss and damage. do you think that the plan to get _ into loss and damage. do you think that the plan to get countries - into loss and damage. do you think that the plan to get countries to - that the plan to get countries to come beginning next year to a report, an update on their climate action plans, do you think that is positive? is it giving a greater sense of urgency?— sense of urgency? yes, it's important _ sense of urgency? yes, it's important that _ sense of urgency? yes, it's important that the - sense of urgency? yes, it's important that the text - sense of urgency? yes, it's important that the text is l sense of urgency? yes, it's i important that the text is now requesting all countries to update their national contributions. to raise _ their national contributions. to raise the — their national contributions. to raise the ambition, it's fundamental that this _ raise the ambition, it's fundamental that this is — raise the ambition, it's fundamental that this is achieved by 2030. so we need _ that this is achieved by 2030. so we need to— that this is achieved by 2030. so we need to keep the temperature is within— need to keep the temperature is within 15— need to keep the temperature is within1.5 degrees of warming, precisely— within1.5 degrees of warming, precisely to avoid all those extreme weather— precisely to avoid all those extreme weather events. that is the most desirable — weather events. that is the most desirable outcome. we don't want to have to _ desirable outcome. we don't want to have to request or need money for loss and _ have to request or need money for loss and damage in those most vulnerable communities, ideally it is not _ vulnerable communities, ideally it is not needed. but already with the levels _ is not needed. but already with the levels of— is not needed. but already with the levels of warming we have at 1.1 degrees, — levels of warming we have at 1.1 degrees, we now the extreme weather events— degrees, we now the extreme weather events of— degrees, we now the extreme weather events of last year, many examples, we are _ events of last year, many examples, we are already finding that madagascar has a crisis that is a direct— madagascar has a crisis that is a direct consequence of the warming and it— direct consequence of the warming and it is— direct consequence of the warming and it is the biggest that out in 40 years _ and it is the biggest that out in 40 years. those situations are happening now at 1.1 degrees. all the attention has to be on keeping warming _ the attention has to be on keeping warming to 1.5 degrees or less as a priority _ warming to 1.5 degrees or less as a priority the — warming to 1.5 degrees or less as a priority. the fact that countries are coming back next year is a promising _ are coming back next year is a promising sign, but we need to make sure that _ promising sign, but we need to make sure that these pledges are serious and what _ sure that these pledges are serious and what is — sure that these pledges are serious and what is in the national determine contributions really adds up determine contributions really adds up to— determine contributions really adds up to deductions. unfortunately, sometimes vague language, or things that include technology that is not available — that include technology that is not available. so we need to be much more _ available. so we need to be much more ambitious in terms of actually cutting _ more ambitious in terms of actually cutting emissions.— cutting emissions. thank you very much for your— cutting emissions. thank you very much for your time. _ cutting emissions. thank you very much for your time. really, - cutting emissions. thank you very much for your time. really, it - cutting emissions. thank you very much for your time. really, it all| much for your time. really, it all has to be about delivery, delivery, delivery after cop26, about keeping the momentum going and returning the words we have heard here in glasgow into action. chris stark is the chief executive of the committee on climate change — a body that holds the uk government to account on its actions on climate change. he spoke to me earlier and gave his reaction to the draft agreement. i have to say, i'm feeling quite good about the way that it's been brought together. some of the key language is still in there, and it's really important to sailors. it might sound odd for those people not watching cop as closely as i do, but language about fossil fuel financing, language about phasing out coal is still in there. the language on returning to the table to make this 2030 target stronger next year is still in there. this is motoring towards a strong piece of text at the end of this. it is a process, sadly, we had magic up commitments countries aren't ready to make it. that process is starting to make it. that process is starting to deliver reductions in long—term temperature that it was designed to do, and i think glasgow is motoring towards some sort of positive conclusion. i5 towards some sort of positive conclusion-— conclusion. is there enough accountability _ conclusion. is there enough accountability in _ conclusion. is there enough accountability in it? - conclusion. is there enough accountability in it? your. conclusion. is there enough | accountability in it? yourjob conclusion. is there enough i accountability in it? yourjob is all about holding the uk government to account in terms of his actions towards dealing with climate change. is there enough accountability and transparency and all of this? and a way of monitoring what countries are doing, are they keeping up, are they matching the fine words we had at the beginning of this conference? you are right to raise the issue of comfortability and transparency, because i don't think that is enough in this yet. the transparency of the commitments, how they are measured, sadly there is not a global body that has the same sort of teeth as my organisation does here in the uk. it will be up to the un process to deliver that accountability. i'm joined now by eamon ryan, ireland's environment minister. you have been in the thick of those negotiations. we were expecting to be in that the plenary session right now, already hearing from delegates, that has obviously been delayed slightly because alok sharma wanted to get everybody more time for discussions. give us an insight into those final issues that are still under discussion there. i think, firstl , under discussion there. i think, firstly. he _ under discussion there. i think, firstly. he is — under discussion there. i think, firstly, he is about _ under discussion there. i think, firstly, he is about to _ under discussion there. i think, firstly, he is about to give - under discussion there. i think, i firstly, he is about to give people time _ firstly, he is about to give people time we — firstly, he is about to give people time. we need to get this right, this is— time. we need to get this right, this is critical. we can't negotiate with science. we have to hold the line on _ with science. we have to hold the line on strong ambition, on reducing greenhouse — line on strong ambition, on reducing greenhouse gas emissions. the other issue' _ greenhouse gas emissions. the other issue. we _ greenhouse gas emissions. the other issue, we also need to have ambition on is _ issue, we also need to have ambition on is equity, — issue, we also need to have ambition on is equity, making sure that those countries _ on is equity, making sure that those countries in — on is equity, making sure that those countries in the world that were not responsible for creating climate change — responsible for creating climate change are supported and helped in both these damage and loss that has been occurred and also making the transition — been occurred and also making the transition to adapt. i think we can -et transition to adapt. i think we can get agreement on that. it is a strong — get agreement on that. it is a strong text, in my mind. it is not include _ strong text, in my mind. it is not include -- — strong text, in my mind. it is not include —— concluded, anything can happen _ include —— concluded, anything can happen i_ include —— concluded, anything can happen. i think the world would not look kindly— happen. i think the world would not look kindly if we did not get a deal here _ look kindly if we did not get a deal here if— look kindly if we did not get a deal here. if that takes a number of hours — here. if that takes a number of hours longer, we are all perfectly happy_ hours longer, we are all perfectly happy to— hours longer, we are all perfectly happy to wait and get it right. i think— happy to wait and get it right. i think it — happy to wait and get it right. i think it can be done. i think the uk presidency— think it can be done. i think the uk presidency have done a very good 'ob. presidency have done a very good job it _ presidency have done a very good job it is — presidency have done a very good job. it is important we don't lose a lot of— job. it is important we don't lose a lot of the — job. it is important we don't lose a lot of the progress in these last few hours— lot of the progress in these last few hours that has been made and the last week— few hours that has been made and the last week in _ few hours that has been made and the last week in particular. are few hours that has been made and the last week in particular.— last week in particular. are you worried that _ last week in particular. are you worried that some _ last week in particular. are you worried that some progress - last week in particular. are you i worried that some progress might last week in particular. are you - worried that some progress might be lost? i worried that some progress might be lost? ~ , ' . worried that some progress might be lost? ~' , , . ., lost? i think it is difficult for everyone- — lost? i think it is difficult for everyone. for— lost? i think it is difficult for everyone. for every - lost? i think it is difficult for everyone. for every party, l lost? i think it is difficult for - everyone. for every party, there are elements— everyone. for every party, there are elements they don't like. those high emissions _ elements they don't like. those high emissions countries are going to be under— emissions countries are going to be under real— emissions countries are going to be under real obligation not to scale up under real obligation not to scale up their— under real obligation not to scale up theirambition, and under real obligation not to scale up their ambition, and also welfare countries _ up their ambition, and also welfare countries which will be under an obligation— countries which will be under an obligation to provide funding so that the — obligation to provide funding so that the developing world can adapt and manage the damage that has been done _ and manage the damage that has been done i_ and manage the damage that has been done. i think there are ways which we can— done. i think there are ways which we can address that though. i remember the we can address that though. i rememberthe eu we can address that though. i remember the eu delegation, 27 countries — remember the eu delegation, 27 countries who met again this morning. _ countries who met again this morning, i think quite united in our own view — morning, i think quite united in our own view. we also want to make sure that the _ own view. we also want to make sure that the world comes together on this, _ that the world comes together on this, that — that the world comes together on this, that we do support the developing world. i think we are also clear— developing world. i think we are also clear in our own view that we have _ also clear in our own view that we have to _ also clear in our own view that we have to be — also clear in our own view that we have to be strong on the rule book, on the _ have to be strong on the rule book, on the procedures, the transparency. i on the procedures, the transparency. i was _ on the procedures, the transparency. i was involve — on the procedures, the transparency. i was involve myself with the eu in arranging — i was involve myself with the eu in arranging some of those transparency arrangements. the moral certainty that there — arrangements. the moral certainty that there is of this transition, the lower— that there is of this transition, the lower the cost. we need to be fast _ the lower the cost. we need to be fast. ., , . , the lower the cost. we need to be fast. ., , ., the lower the cost. we need to be fast. . _ ., fast. on transparency, you are sa in: it fast. on transparency, you are saying it hasn't _ fast. on transparency, you are saying it hasn't been - fast. on transparency, you are saying it hasn't been watered l fast. on transparency, you are - saying it hasn't been watered down, but hasn't the eu watered down the language on compensation on loss and damage for those developing nations who say they actually need that money, notjust the money needed going forward to adapt with climate change, but that money needed for the damage already caused by climate change? i have been speaking to agencies and charities who are saying that money is desperately needed. there needs to be tougher language on loss and damage. that mone is language on loss and damage. that money is desperately needed. i can only speak— money is desperately needed. i can only speak for the irish government, we came _ only speak for the irish government, we came to — only speak for the irish government, we came to brock—madsen with 140% and our— we came to brock—madsen with 140% and our adaptation funding. —— we came _ and our adaptation funding. —— we came to _ and our adaptation funding. —— we came to cop. we need to sit down and brin- came to cop. we need to sit down and bring other— came to cop. we need to sit down and bring other people through. we need to bring _ bring other people through. we need to bring in— bring other people through. we need to bring in at the people involved in the _ to bring in at the people involved in the humanitarian work so that they— in the humanitarian work so that they bring — in the humanitarian work so that they bring their expertise. it will not all— they bring their expertise. it will not all be — they bring their expertise. it will not all be agreed here today, it will be — not all be agreed here today, it will be a — not all be agreed here today, it will be a dialogue, and it is important that we get that dialogue might, _ important that we get that dialogue might, that it is a very real. we in europe _ might, that it is a very real. we in europe are — might, that it is a very real. we in europe are saying now has to lead outcomes— europe are saying now has to lead outcomes for the developing world, so they— outcomes for the developing world, so they aren't left behind, left to cope _ so they aren't left behind, left to cope with — so they aren't left behind, left to cope with all the damage that they were not— cope with all the damage that they were not responsible for. we recognise we have an obligation and duty in— recognise we have an obligation and duty in that. ways in which they can be assured. — duty in that. ways in which they can be assured, we are serious on this, we have _ be assured, we are serious on this, we have to — be assured, we are serious on this, we have to work together, it involves _ we have to work together, it involves everyone. we need a fast transition, — involves everyone. we need a fast transition, it will be fast if it isn't — transition, it will be fast if it isn'tjust _ transition, it will be fast if it isn'tjust. also, there is... you seem to _ isn'tjust. also, there is... you seem to be — isn'tjust. also, there is... you seem to be saying, _ isn'tjust. also, there is... you seem to be saying, mr - isn'tjust. also, there is... m. seem to be saying, mr ryan, that ireland wanted to go a bit further on that loss and damage that other countries in at the eu. looking forward line, if the developing world... , , forward line, if the developing world... , ., ., , ~ world... just on that side, i think there is a — world... just on that side, i think there is a common _ world... just on that side, i think there is a common european - world... just on that side, i think - there is a common european position, and we _ there is a common european position, and we are _ there is a common european position, and we are very much supportive and involved _ and we are very much supportive and involved in— and we are very much supportive and involved in at — and we are very much supportive and involved in at that. on this issue, i involved in at that. on this issue, i said _ involved in at that. on this issue, i said if— involved in at that. on this issue, i said if we — involved in at that. on this issue, i said if we are to have a just transition, _ i said if we are to have a just transition, it also needs to be fast, — transition, it also needs to be fast, because the greatest effect on loss and _ fast, because the greatest effect on loss and damage is if we allow emissions _ loss and damage is if we allow emissions to rise. that is the best way of— emissions to rise. that is the best way of minimising, cutting back loss and damage. at the same time, we also have _ and damage. at the same time, we also have to — and damage. at the same time, we also have to recognise that it has to be _ also have to recognise that it has to be an — also have to recognise that it has to be an issue in equity and protecting those most vulnerable communities. europe is very much agreed _ communities. europe is very much agreed on — communities. europe is very much agreed on that. i think we will get agreement with the other parties. we can do— agreement with the other parties. we can do that, _ agreement with the other parties. we can do that, that would be a tragedy here _ can do that, that would be a tragedy here but _ can do that, that would be a tragedy here but i _ can do that, that would be a tragedy here. but i think it is possible. i think— here. but i think it is possible. i think they— here. but i think it is possible. i think they rightly presidency has approached us, that has been a good atmosphere this week, that has been the one _ atmosphere this week, that has been the one saying that ambition is not needed _ the one saying that ambition is not needed on — the one saying that ambition is not needed on climate. i think we need arrangements on edge equity, if you can do— arrangements on edge equity, if you can do that — arrangements on edge equity, if you can do that this afternoon i think we can— can do that this afternoon i think we can get— can do that this afternoon i think we can get a good deal. this can do that this afternoon i think we can get a good deal.- we can get a good deal. this is about trust _ we can get a good deal. this is about trust on _ we can get a good deal. this is about trust on that _ we can get a good deal. this is about trust on that question i we can get a good deal. this is about trust on that question ofj we can get a good deal. this is - about trust on that question of loss and damage, compensation for the effects already suffer because of climate change by countries in the developing world. if the developing world is to believe that those talks will be to something positive, then they have got to trust the words of they have got to trust the words of the developed world now here in glasgow. the developed world now here in glasuow. , ., ., glasgow. they do, and i can understand _ glasgow. they do, and i can understand why _ glasgow. they do, and i can understand why that - glasgow. they do, and i can understand why that trust i glasgow. they do, and i can understand why that trust isj glasgow. they do, and i can - understand why that trust is badly damaged. he committed back in 2009, i damaged. he committed back in 2009, ithink. _ damaged. he committed back in 2009, ithink. the _ damaged. he committed back in 2009, i think, the 100 billion that we said _ i think, the 100 billion that we said we — i think, the 100 billion that we said we were delivered, which we haven't, — said we were delivered, which we haven't, but we are on the cusp now of delivering — haven't, but we are on the cusp now of delivering that. i think there are other— of delivering that. i think there are other ways in which we can build trust _ are other ways in which we can build trust we _ are other ways in which we can build trust we are — are other ways in which we can build trust. we are proud to be involved in trying _ trust. we are proud to be involved in trying to— trust. we are proud to be involved in trying to get some text into this agreement and aren't what they called _ agreement and aren't what they called special drawing rights, the ability— called special drawing rights, the ability for— called special drawing rights, the ability for developing countries in the real— ability for developing countries in the real difficulty to be able to access — the real difficulty to be able to access funding that will help them to bring _ access funding that will help them to bring climate resilience. also the role — to bring climate resilience. also the role of — to bring climate resilience. also the role of the imf, the world bank, on the _ the role of the imf, the world bank, on the development backs right across— on the development backs right across the world, everybody has to be involved — across the world, everybody has to be involved in this, the finance system — be involved in this, the finance system has the switch and change. to fund the _ system has the switch and change. to fund the developing world, but also every— fund the developing world, but also every country. we had the head of the un, _ every country. we had the head of the un, mr— every country. we had the head of the un, mr gutierrez, speaking at our meeting the other day. i think the point — our meeting the other day. i think the point he made it is true, every country— the point he made it is true, every country will — the point he made it is true, every country will have different circumstances, wildly different type support _ circumstances, wildly different type support and different actions. but this ideal— support and different actions. but this ideal can actually get a pathway where every country starts to rise _ pathway where every country starts to rise to _ pathway where every country starts to rise to this challenge. it will not work— to rise to this challenge. it will not work if— to rise to this challenge. it will not work if we do in a divided way. there _ not work if we do in a divided way. there will— not work if we do in a divided way. there will be — not work if we do in a divided way. there will be benefits, it will be good _ there will be benefits, it will be good for — there will be benefits, it will be good for our health, the solutions we deliver— good for our health, the solutions we deliver will bring health benefits, it will create jobs, a new economy— benefits, it will create jobs, a new economy around the world. that is the prize _ economy around the world. that is the prize and possibility. not only do we _ the prize and possibility. not only do we save ourselves from going down a man— do we save ourselves from going down a man destructive path of climate damage. — a man destructive path of climate damage, but actually we can get a economy— damage, but actually we can get a economy out of this. i know it sounds — economy out of this. i know it sounds big _ economy out of this. i know it sounds big as an aspiration, but i don't _ sounds big as an aspiration, but i don't see — sounds big as an aspiration, but i don't see why that should it be our goal. _ don't see why that should it be our goal. and — don't see why that should it be our goal. and i— don't see why that should it be our goal, and i think it is achievable. thank— goal, and i think it is achievable. thank you — goal, and i think it is achievable. thank you very much for your time. katie white is executive director of advocacy and campaigns at the wwf. earlier she told me that putting nature at the centre of action to control climate change was essential. we are very pleased with the dimensions of nature. there is more nature mentions in the text than ever before. crucially, that is because we won't make that 1.5 the agreed target without tackling the nature crisis, they are two sides of the same coin. we have got to make sure that they are interconnected and we are tackling both at once. brute and we are tackling both at once. we were just chatting before this interview and you made an interesting comment about with the momentum is now. this process has been so intense over the last two weeks, but it's all about keeping the momentum going, isn't it? absolutely, it has been an emotional up absolutely, it has been an emotional up for lots of people, you are trying to figure out this what is going on, what will happen in the real world. going on, what will happen in the realworld. in going on, what will happen in the real world. in terms of where we were at paris and where we are now, the positive thing to take from that is that at paris we were aiming for well below 2 degrees, but that was the figure in range. this 1.5 target, which we know is crucial, is now politically very much the target. i think that's something we can say is a success of this conference, that 1.5 is the political target. a lot of that is done to people power, people on the streets calling for it. the science is now totally clear that we can't aim for that 2 degrees, we have to go for 1.5. is aim for that 2 degrees, we have to no for1.5. , ., ., aim for that 2 degrees, we have to go for 15-— go for 1.5. is that enough, is that fast enough? _ go for 1.5. is that enough, is that fast enough? you _ go for 1.5. is that enough, is that fast enough? you say _ go for 1.5. is that enough, is that fast enough? you say the - go for 1.5. is that enough, is that| fast enough? you say the political momentum has shifted, but activists out on the ground will say that they already think that this cop26 has not worked. brute already think that this cop26 has not worked-— already think that this cop26 has not worked. ~ ., ., ., ,, ., , not worked. we are looking at this as a process. _ not worked. we are looking at this as a process. we _ not worked. we are looking at this as a process, we have _ not worked. we are looking at this as a process, we have got - not worked. we are looking at this as a process, we have got to - not worked. we are looking at this as a process, we have got to get l as a process, we have got to get ourselves on that train of action, i think the action train has left the station. is it going fast enough? absolutely not. we need to work on what has come out of this in the months ahead. i very much think the uk presidency has a role in terms of making sure these commitments stick. what has been a real problem at this cop is that we have arrived and had an implementation gap. not much has happened before. people are saying, 0k, happened before. people are saying, ok, is a pledge, it's a commitment. what does that actually mean, are you actually go to deliver on it? i think the next year has to be about delivery, delivery, delivery. that was katie white _ delivery, delivery, delivery. that was katie white from _ delivery, delivery, delivery. that was katie white from the w wf talking to me a little bit earlier. let's just bring you back across the river clyde. that is the conference hall, that is alok sharma, the president of cop. not quite ready to get back on their right yet, but very soon according to the timetable he gave at around 30 minutes ago. while we are waiting for that plenary to get under way. i'm joined now by david waskow, director of the global research

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