now on bbc news we have a global climate debate special, with kirsty wark. time is running up for global leaders to make the binding promises on climate change needed to save the planet for the next generation and generations to come. in this debate from cop26 in glasgow, young people from around the world will be asking four leading international political figures tough questions about the commitment to averting environmental disaster and finding solutions for change. music. hello and welcome, wherever you are, to the bbc�*s big global climate debate. the latest report from the intergovernmental panel on climate change warned that it is now code red for humanity. the british promised boris johnson, had said if we do not get serious about climate today it will be too late for our children to do so tomorrow. so, from ending coal mining and drilling, to ending a travel and committing rich countries to helping poorer ones, we are committing to environmental cases. this is the panel. we have the secretary of state for business, energy and industrial strategy. the uk government are hosting the cop conference and say young people have every right to be angry on the lack of action on climate change. the uk is committed to net—zero by 2050 but with a government a controversial new oilfield in the north sea, the decision in the north sea, the decision in the oilfield niche at field will be made soon and maybe we can find out tonight what they may be. jenny mccarthy is a first not white house national climate advisor and as well as working for president biden she said to president obama as the head of the us environmental protection agency and she says we are at cop26 to accelerate action but america does not entirely clean hands, it is the fracking capital of the world which comes with environmental concerns. this is a new prime minister of greenland, the country president trump wanted to bye! early other prime minister, the youngest prime minister, the youngest prime minister in the world at the age of 3a, said that with the arctic warming at the rate three times faster than the rest of the world, greenland is experiencing the drastic changes first hand. and this is columbia's minister of mines and energy. previously he oversaw the energy transformation policy, including increasing the share of renewable energy from i% to 12% but colombian export of coal, the dirtiest fossil fuel, have jumped coal, the dirtiest fossil fuel, havejumped in 2021, and deforestation continues to increase despite promises from the government to reduce that. welcome to you all! applause. to the first question from the banks of the mississippi in missouri. your question please? my missouri. your question please? my question is what are the plans for effective international cooperation when neither president xi jinping or vladimir putin are attending cop26. ., ~ ,., vladimir putin are attending com. ., ~ vladimir putin are attending com. ., a ., cop26. thank you so much. how do we make _ cop26. thank you so much. how do we make sure _ cop26. thank you so much. how do we make sure this _ cop26. thank you so much. how do we make sure thisjust - cop26. thank you so much. how do we make sure thisjust isn't . do we make sure this just isn't just blah blah blah particular without these two leaders? i think the fact the leaders are not here, _ think the fact the leaders are not here, not that significant because _ not here, not that significant because what we're seeing are literally— because what we're seeing are literally thousands of people in glasgow, coming together, to tackle _ in glasgow, coming together, to tackle climate change. i think the question is quite right, it's not_ the question is quite right, it's notjust a question of words _ it's notjust a question of words. we have we have things like the — words. we have we have things like the cola lines, and we're trying — like the cola lines, and we're trying to— like the cola lines, and we're trying to move away from that an undertaking to do that and committed for a joint international stand on electric vehicles _ international stand on electric vehicles. these ulster bank leave — vehicles. these ulster bank leave kirsty wark, notjust declarations — — these are substantive words. but declarations - - these are substantive words. but boris johnson asked _ substantive words. but boris johnson asked president - substantive words. but boris johnson asked president xi l johnson asked president xi jinping to bring forward pay commissions from 2030 to 2025 and there has been a resounding silence. ., , , silence. there has been huge movement — silence. there has been huge movement in _ silence. there has been huge movement in china _ silence. there has been huge movement in china for - silence. there has been huge movement in china for the i silence. there has been huge. movement in china for the last two years— movement in china for the last two years and i was minister 2.5 two years and i was minister 25 years— two years and i was minister 2.5 years ago and i was told quite — 2.5 years ago and i was told quite frankly they were not committed. last year, for the first— committed. last year, for the first time _ committed. last year, for the first time now committed to net zero _ first time now committed to net zero x _ first time now committed to net zero x 2060 and i completely agree — zero x 2060 and i completely agree that they could be persuaded to have more ambitious targets but the fact they— ambitious targets but the fact they acknowledge there is a problem and i have a net zero target — problem and i have a net zero target by— problem and i have a net zero target by 2060 is really significant.— target by 2060 is really siunificant. ,, ., ., , ., significant. russia does not even have _ significant. russia does not even have a _ significant. russia does not even have a target - significant. russia does not even have a target yet, - significant. russia does not| even have a target yet, how significant. russia does not. even have a target yet, how do you feel about the fact that vladimir putin is not here? we need to put — vladimir putin is not here? we need to put all the countries in the — need to put all the countries in the room _ need to put all the countries in the room to _ need to put all the countries in the room to look- need to put all the countries in the room to look after- need to put all the countriesj in the room to look after the planet— in the room to look after the planet and _ in the room to look after the planet and the _ in the room to look after the planet and the action - in the room to look after the planet and the action would i planet and the action would start— planet and the action would start from _ planet and the action would start from us. _ planet and the action would start from us. it _ planet and the action would start from us. it is - planet and the action would start from us. it is in - planet and the action would | start from us. it is in action. i'm — start from us. it is in action. i'm the _ start from us. it is in action. i'm the youngest _ start from us. it is in action. i'm the youngest leader- start from us. it is in action. i'm the youngest leader in. start from us. it is in action. i i'm the youngest leader in the world — i'm the youngest leader in the world and _ i'm the youngest leader in the world and we _ i'm the youngest leader in the world and we have _ i'm the youngest leader in the world and we have stopped i i'm the youngest leader in thel world and we have stopped our own 0it— world and we have stopped our own oil and _ world and we have stopped our own oil and gas— world and we have stopped our own oil and gas exploration... i own oil and gas exploration... so are — own oil and gas exploration... so are you _ own oil and gas exploration... so are you just _ own oil and gas exploration... so are you just announcing - own oil and gas exploration... so are you just announcing that now? so are you 'ust announcing that now? ~ ., ., . now? we announced it in the summer— now? we announced it in the summer but _ now? we announced it in the summer but now _ now? we announced it in the summer but now we - now? we announced it in the summer but now we have - summer but now we have announced _ summer but now we have announced that _ summer but now we have announced that we - summer but now we have announced that we will i summer but now we have| announced that we will be summer but now we have i announced that we will be part of the — announced that we will be part of the paris _ announced that we will be part of the paris agreement - announced that we will be part of the paris agreement and i announced that we will be part of the paris agreement and we have _ of the paris agreement and we have stopped _ of the paris agreement and we have stopped iranian - of the paris agreement and we have stopped iranian mining i of the paris agreement and we have stopped iranian mining in -- uranium— have stopped iranian mining in —— uranium mining— have stopped iranian mining in —— uranium mining in- have stopped iranian mining in. —— uranium mining in greenland. what— —— uranium mining in greenland. what do— —— uranium mining in greenland. what do you— —— uranium mining in greenland. what do you make _ —— uranium mining in greenland. what do you make of _ —— uranium mining in greenland. what do you make of this- what do you make of this question late the whole world has to take responsibility, it doesn't matter if you are because small and i will give you an example of columbia. we have three cabinet ministers attending glasgow, columbia is attending glasgow, columbia is a very small emitter of c02 a very small emitter of co2 emissions, 0.6% of total c02 emissions, 0.6% of total co2 emissions, 0.6% of total co2 emissions but we are committed to cut, by 51%, our emissions by 2030 and we already presented today a carbon neutrality roadmap for 2050. i've heard you say this before, you feel that colombia is a leader in the region but we have not got a target from brazil, your neighbour? yes, but we are — brazil, your neighbour? yes, but we are leading _ brazil, your neighbour? yes, but we are leading a - brazil, your neighbour? yes, | but we are leading a coalition in latin america to get to the 70% as a region, made up of renewables by 2030. we are convincing brazil and others to join, 12 countries have already signed and we hope to get to 50 countries in glasgow.— countries in glasgow. from your oint of countries in glasgow. from your point of view. — countries in glasgow. from your point of view, do _ countries in glasgow. from your point of view, do you _ countries in glasgow. from your point of view, do you think i point of view, do you think that it point of view, do you think thatitis point of view, do you think that it is possible to move forward without two major powers, the delegations are here, but as our question is that, now that vladimir putin and president xijinping are here, they make very big decisions — such are not here. the first thing i would say is i the first thing i would say is i am — the first thing i would say is i am not _ the first thing i would say is i am not making excuses for china — i am not making excuses for china and _ i am not making excuses for china and russia, they need to be here — china and russia, they need to be here. plain and simple. they are two— be here. plain and simple. they are two large, developed countries that need to take action, _ countries that need to take action, so they ought to be here — action, so they ought to be here but— action, so they ought to be here but that does not mean that— here but that does not mean that we _ here but that does not mean that we will allow them to decide _ that we will allow them to decide the fate of the world! what — decide the fate of the world! what we are doing —— or what we're — what we are doing —— or what we're doing so one of the challenges is to make sure that we take — challenges is to make sure that we take action in a that will allow— we take action in a that will allow us _ we take action in a that will allow us to add the economic benefits— allow us to add the economic benefits of clean energy. we should — benefits of clean energy. we should show them that with them missing _ should show them that with them missing out, if they do not join — missing out, if they do not join us _ missing out, if they do not join us and take action, they wiii— join us and take action, they will miss— join us and take action, they will miss out. i am disappointed they are not here but they— disappointed they are not here but they should not be allowed to dictate the lack of action or tack— to dictate the lack of action or tack of— to dictate the lack of action or lack of exhilaration. science _ or lack of exhilaration. science is telling us what we need — science is telling us what we need to— science is telling us what we need to do and we are here to -et need to do and we are here to get it— need to do and we are here to get it done. need to do and we are here to get it done-— get it done. dakota, going to ou, get it done. dakota, going to you. what — get it done. dakota, going to you. what you _ get it done. dakota, going to you, what you are _ get it done. dakota, going to you, what you are what i get it done. dakota, going to you, what you are what you | get it done. dakota, going to i you, what you are what you have heard? ! you, what you are what you have heard? ., you, what you are what you have heard? ~' , ., ., , heard? i think the situation is to die after — heard? i think the situation is to die after not _ heard? i think the situation is to die after not to _ heard? i think the situation is to die after not to collaboratej to die after not to collaborate and we should try the hardest but we have to do this and collaborate with each other and notjust collaborate with each other and not just for ourselves collaborate with each other and notjust for ourselves but collaborate with each other and not just for ourselves but for everyone, for the next generation —— dire. everyone, for the next generation -- dire. another question — generation -- dire. another question please. _ generation -- dire. another question please. as - generation -- dire. another. question please. as developed countries are _ question please. as developed countries are responsible i question please. as developed countries are responsible for i countries are responsible for climate change, what are your strategies for a sustained poorer nations to achieve a balance between economic growth and sustainability?— and sustainability? coming back to ou, and sustainability? coming back to you. gina _ and sustainability? coming back to you, gina mccarthy _ and sustainability? coming back to you, gina mccarthy because i to you, gina mccarthy because the long promised $100 billion and it was meted at 2009 in copenhagen and delayed twice and developing countries have every right to feel that they are being asked to do so much without the financial encouragement they need? i encouragement they need? i think we came here fully prepared to make commitments. we are _ prepared to make commitments. we are quadrupling what we have done _ we are quadrupling what we have done before and we are also starting _ done before and we are also starting up a new initiative with— starting up a new initiative with other countries, that is all with other countries, that is aii about— with other countries, that is all about the developed world actually providing the support that the — actually providing the support that the developing world needs _ that the developing world needs. there is no question in president _ needs. there is no question in president biden in his remarks today, — president biden in his remarks today, did _ president biden in his remarks today, did not hold any punches in terms — today, did not hold any punches in terms of— today, did not hold any punches in terms of admitting that we have — in terms of admitting that we have enhanced responsibility to help the — have enhanced responsibility to help the rest of the world, and that is— help the rest of the world, and that is what we intend to do. have — that is what we intend to do. have to— that is what we intend to do. have to say it was a rather strange look when president biden went to see the pope and the motorcade was 85 cars long, normally a5, and that is not a good look, is that? normally as, and that is not a good look, is that?— good look, is that? actually went to visit _ good look, is that? actually went to visit the _ good look, is that? actually went to visit the pope i good look, is that? actually went to visit the pope once | went to visit the pope once quite — went to visit the pope once quite a _ went to visit the pope once quite a while ago and he drove up quite a while ago and he drove up in _ quite a while ago and he drove up in a — quite a while ago and he drove up in a very small fee fiat and we know— up in a very small fee fiat and we know it's challenging and we know _ we know it's challenging and we know that — we know it's challenging and we know that transportation is the biggest — know that transportation is the biggest greenhouse polluter so we need to make change and that is what _ we need to make change and that is what we — we need to make change and that is what we have to do but it would — is what we have to do but it would take more than whether or not it— would take more than whether or not it is— would take more than whether or not it is a — would take more than whether or not it is a big motorcade. but all the little _ not it is a big motorcade. emit all the little actions matter. everybody wants to see the little actions and finally enough on that very question, do you agree with borisjohnson who said that plastic recycling is really not what this is about. surely, everyone has a duty to do what they can? i duty to do what they can? i think that is true but there are big issues. the financing issue that was raised is critical. as you say, we said this in 2009, and that is why in the british government i have was maintained we have got to have an international coalition and we have to bring people to actually be as good as their word and that is what we're to do. that is one of the key points, as gina said, of the conference this year here. in terms of greenland what you want? you want to become sustainable? you need help from this $100 billion and it's not coming through at the moment? we need help but we have started _ we need help but we have started in— we need help but we have started in our— we need help but we have started in our country- we need help but we have. started in our country from, we need help but we have i started in our country from, in trying — started in our country from, in trying to— started in our country from, in trying to invest _ started in our country from, in trying to invest in _ started in our country from, in trying to invest in hydropower| trying to invest in hydropower and in — trying to invest in hydropower and in the _ trying to invest in hydropower and in the next _ trying to invest in hydropower and in the next 5— _ trying to invest in hydropower and in the next 5— six - trying to invest in hydropower and in the next 5— six years i trying to invest in hydropower| and in the next 5— six years we will have — and in the next 5— six years we will have a _ and in the next 5— six years we will have a goal— and in the next 5— six years we will have a goal to _ and in the next 5— six years we will have a goal to be - and in the next 5— six years we will have a goal to be up - and in the next 5— six years we will have a goal to be up to- will have a goal to be up to 90%— will have a goal to be up to 90% of— will have a goal to be up to 90% of our— will have a goal to be up to 90% of our energy - will have a goal to be up to 90% of our energy will i will have a goal to be up to. 90% of our energy will come from — 90% of our energy will come from hydropower, _ 90% of our energy will come from hydropower, so - 90% of our energy will come from hydropower, so it- 90% of our energy will come from hydropower, so it is. from hydropower, so it is possible _ from hydropower, so it is possible to _ from hydropower, so it is possible to do _ from hydropower, so it isl possible to do something. from hydropower, so it is- possible to do something. so now— possible to do something. so now our— possible to do something. so now our mission _ possible to do something. so now our mission is _ possible to do something. so now our mission is that - possible to do something. so now our mission is that we i possible to do something. so i now our mission is that we have a lot— now our mission is that we have a lot of— now our mission is that we have a lot of water— now our mission is that we have a lot of water and _ now our mission is that we have a lot of water and a _ now our mission is that we have a lot of water and a lot - now our mission is that we have a lot of water and a lot of - a lot of water and a lot of green— a lot of water and a lot of green energy. _ a lot of water and a lot of green energy, we - a lot of water and a lot of green energy, we can i a lot of water and a lot of i green energy, we can export a lot of water and a lot of - green energy, we can export out into the _ green energy, we can export out into the rest — green energy, we can export out into the rest of— green energy, we can export out into the rest of the _ green energy, we can export out into the rest of the world - green energy, we can export out into the rest of the world and i into the rest of the world and we have _ into the rest of the world and we have stopped _ into the rest of the world and we have stopped all- into the rest of the world and we have stopped all oil- we have stopped all oil exploration _ we have stopped all oil exploration of- we have stopped all oil exploration of oil- we have stopped all oil exploration of oil and i we have stopped all oil. exploration of oil and gas we have stopped all oil- exploration of oil and gas and we have — exploration of oil and gas and we have one _ exploration of oil and gas and we have one of— exploration of oil and gas and we have one of the _ exploration of oil and gas and we have one of the biggest i we have one of the biggest deposits— we have one of the biggest deposits of— we have one of the biggest deposits of oil— we have one of the biggest deposits of oil and - we have one of the biggest deposits of oil and gas i we have one of the biggest deposits of oil and gas but| we have one of the biggest i deposits of oil and gas but we have — deposits of oil and gas but we have stopped _ deposits of oil and gas but we have stopped this _ deposits of oil and gas but we have stopped this because i deposits of oil and gas but we have stopped this because we have — have stopped this because we have a — have stopped this because we have a lot _ have stopped this because we have a lot of— have stopped this because we have a lot of water _ have stopped this because we have a lot of water that - have stopped this because we have a lot of water that we i have stopped this because wel have a lot of water that we can use to — have a lot of water that we can use to create _ have a lot of water that we can use to create energy— have a lot of water that we can use to create energy and - have a lot of water that we can use to create energy and i- have a lot of water that we cani use to create energy and i hope the big — use to create energy and i hope the big energies, _ use to create energy and i hope the big energies, who- use to create energy and i hope the big energies, who have i use to create energy and i hope the big energies, who have a i the big energies, who have a bil the big energies, who have a big responsibility— the big energies, who have a big responsibility to - the big energies, who have a big responsibility to take i big responsibility to take these _ big responsibility to take these steps, _ big responsibility to take these steps, will- big responsibility to take these steps, will be i big responsibility to take i these steps, will be ready to invest — these steps, will be ready to invest like _ these steps, will be ready to invest like that. _ these steps, will be ready to invest like that.— these steps, will be ready to invest like that. applause. i should thickly _ invest like that. applause. i should thickly ask _ invest like that. applause. i should thickly ask you, i invest like that. applause. i should thickly ask you, what | should thickly ask you, what was your reaction when president trump wanted to buy you? president trump wanted to buy ou? ., , ., ., , you? you should have up offered to buy him! _ you? you should have up offered to buy him! what _ you? you should have up offered to buy him! what do _ you? you should have up offered to buy him! what do you - you? you should have up offered to buy him! what do you need, l to buy him! what do you need, dieuo, to buy him! what do you need, diego. to _ to buy him! what do you need, diego, to become _ to buy him! what do you need, diego, to become sustainable. diego, to become sustainable that you are not getting because colombia is making certain strides but you are a developing country in terms of the $100 billion as well is not blue the question is, right on, developed countries have to commit on what they promise and in colombia, in your introduction you mentioned our export of coal.— export of coal. into provinces in my country. _ export of coal. into provinces in my country, 40% - export of coal. into provinces in my country, 40% of i export of coal. into provinces in my country, 4096 of the i export of coal. into provinces i in my country, 4096 of the gdp in my country, 40% of the gdp depends— in my country, 40% of the gdp depends on coal for the energy transition — depends on coal for the energy transition has to be just and well— transition has to be just and well managed and people centred and i_ well managed and people centred and i need developed countries to invest — and i need developed countries to invest in other technologies such— to invest in other technologies such as — to invest in other technologies such as green hydrogen and indicator— such as green hydrogen and indicator colombia, it so happens that these two provinces have the best wind and solar _ provinces have the best wind and solar radiation in the world _ and solar radiation in the world. we need to get the funds to develop a green hydrogen economy so we can think about phasing — economy so we can think about phasing out of coal but we have to think— phasing out of coal but we have to think about the people who depend — to think about the people who depend on the coal right now. right — depend on the coal right now. right to— depend on the coal right now. right to say that some of the private finance for the 100 billion did not come forward in the way you expected? late billion did not come forward in the way you expected? we are encouraging — the way you expected? we are encouraging people _ the way you expected? we are encouraging people to - the way you expected? we are encouraging people to come . encouraging people to come forward and as diego said, it is a transition and that is why we have reinvested $11.a billion to the international climate find that again we are leaders in and we are proud of our commitment to that. do you have any reaction _ our commitment to that. do you have any reaction to _ our commitment to that. do you have any reaction to what i our commitment to that. do you have any reaction to what you i have any reaction to what you have any reaction to what you have heard? i have any reaction to what you have heard?— have heard? i do think international- have heard? i do think- international collaboration have heard? i do think- internationalcollaboration and international collaboration and financial aid is critical that we want to realise climate justice. thank you. applause thank you _ justice. thank you. applause thank you very _ justice. thank you. applause thank you very much - justice. thank you. applause thank you very much indeed. l thank you very much indeed. another question in the studio from daniel, from argyll. your question please?— question please? how do you intend to _ question please? how do you intend to reduce _ question please? how do you intend to reduce the - question please? how do you intend to reduce the impact l question please? how do you | intend to reduce the impact of rising sea levels on our towns and cities? fin rising sea levels on our towns and cities?— and cities? on that very question. _ and cities? on that very question, jakarta, i and cities? on that very i question, jakarta, indonesia has announced the capital will move to borneo because the capital is sinking, 25% of the population of vietnam and 50% of the population of the netherlands are at risk of rising sea levels. enough ice melted on a single day in greenland to cover florida in two inches of water. you must be seeing this day in day out? we see it daily. all these things, it is coming up to the arctic and it is not staying in the arctic. it is coming back is melted ice. so we need to take action. it is right now, it is not time for blah blah blah. it is time to make some action and start with the world leaders, and when the world leaders, and when the world leaders have some goals and some solutions and corroborates together we can do something for this question. you together we can do something for this question.— for this question. you don't have to look _ for this question. you don't have to look far _ for this question. you don't have to look far to - for this question. you don't have to look far to see i for this question. you don't have to look far to see the | have to look far to see the damage _ have to look far to see the damage associated with climate i’i l ht damage associated with climate right now. i mean, ithink damage associated with climate right now. i mean, i think part of the — right now. i mean, i think part of the advantage of that is, you — of the advantage of that is, you know, i of the advantage of that is, you know, lam not of the advantage of that is, you know, i am not fighting of climate — you know, i am not fighting of climate deniers anymore. the question— climate deniers anymore. the question is, how do we solve this? — question is, how do we solve this? how— question is, how do we solve this? how do we do it fast? i this? how do we do it fast? think this? how do we do it fast? i think daniel's point is absolutely— think daniel's point is absolutely right. i think daniel's point is absolutely right. that think daniel's point is. absolutely right. that is think daniel's point is- absolutely right. that is why we are — absolutely right. that is why we are all— absolutely right. that is why we are all here, _ absolutely right. that is why we are all here, to- absolutely right. that is why we are all here, to deal- absolutely right. that is why we are all here, to deal with these — we are all here, to deal with these kinds _ we are all here, to deal with these kinds of _ we are all here, to deal with these kinds of imminent- these kinds of imminent threats _ these kinds of imminent threats. we _ these kinds of imminent threats. we all- these kinds of imminent threats. we all point i these kinds of imminent. threats. we all point about these kinds of imminent- threats. we all point about the fact that — threats. we all point about the fact that so _ threats. we all point about the fact that so many _ threats. we all point about the fact that so many more - threats. we all point about the fact that so many more 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- coalition. and again, this finance point, it is only. coalition. and again, this| finance point, it is only to refinance _ finance point, it is only to refinance that _ finance point, it is only to refinance that you - finance point, it is only to refinance that you are - finance point, it is only to - refinance that you are actually going — refinance that you are actually going to — refinance that you are actually going to empower— refinance that you are actually going to empower the - refinance that you are actually. going to empower the developing world, _ going to empower the developing world, which— going to empower the developing world, which is— going to empower the developing world, which is bigger— going to empower the developing world, which is bigger than - going to empower the developing world, which is bigger than the i world, which is bigger than the developed _ world, which is bigger than the developed countries, - world, which is bigger than the developed countries, in - world, which is bigger than the developed countries, in termsi developed countries, in terms of pe0pie. _ developed countries, in terms of pe0pie. to _ developed countries, in terms of people, to actually - of people, to actually decarbonise - of people, to actually decarbonise and - of people, to actually decarbonise and fight of people, to actually - decarbonise and fight climate change — decarbonise and fight climate chance. �* , ., , change. i've been doing this, auoin to change. i've been doing this, going to cops _ change. i've been doing this, going to cops since - change. i've been doing this, going to cops since your- change. i've been doing this, | going to cops since your age, going to cops since your age, and this going to cops since your age, and this is the first going to cops since your age, and this is the first time i really feel like there is opportunity for accelerated action. �* . . opportunity for accelerated action. �* , , action. because it is so desperate? _ action. because it is so desperate? and - action. because it is so i desperate? and because action. because it is so - desperate? and because young --eole desperate? and because young peeple are _ desperate? and because young people are pushing _ desperate? and because young people are pushing for- desperate? and because young people are pushing for it. - desperate? and because young people are pushing for it. you i people are pushing for it. you are here because you care about this, and guess what. you are worried and we are worried. we ought to be worried. it is ought to be worried. it is extraordinary, _ ought to be worried. it is extraordinary, because l ought to be worried. it is extraordinary, because when i look back on footage of paris in 2015, when we got the agreement, people were crying. people were crying. another six years and we are still trying to catch up with that emotion. columbia, on the whole question of cities and thinking and so forth, how badly is columbia affected? forth, how badly is columbia affected? . . forth, how badly is columbia affected? , , ., forth, how badly is columbia affected?— affected? this past year, for the first time _ affected? this past year, for the first time ever, - affected? this past year, for the first time ever, we - affected? this past year, for the first time ever, we had l affected? this past year, fori the first time ever, we had a hurricane category five hitting an island in colombia. the first time in history. it completely destroyed in ireland. the islands will be at the second largest coral reef in the world. so it is putting in the world. so it is putting in danger not only people but also our biodiversity in colombia. 50 even though we don't admit, because this is not fair, we only admit 0.6%, we are one of the 20 most vulnerable countries to climate change events. —— emit. vulnerable countries to climate change events. -- emit. coming back to you. _ change events. -- emit. coming back to you, kwasi _ change events. -- emit. coming back to you, kwasi kwarteng, i back to you, kwasi kwarteng, much more could be done. we talk about this 100 billion, but you need to take more responsibility for it, don't you? responsibility for it, don't ou? ~ ., . . responsibility for it, don't ou? ., . . , responsibility for it, don't ou? ~ ., . . , ., ., you? we do, and that is one of the reasons — you? we do, and that is one of the reasons why, _ you? we do, and that is one of the reasons why, the - you? we do, and that is one of the reasons why, the prime . the reasons why, the prime minister— the reasons why, the prime minister said this morning, the cash _ minister said this morning, the cash element is absolutely criticai~ _ cash element is absolutely critical. that is why we saying we're — critical. that is why we saying we're trying to get broader agreement, as gina understands, and acknowledges that this is one of— and acknowledges that this is one of the top priorities of this— one of the top priorities of this cop, the $100 billion committed, we really want to deiiver— committed, we really want to deliver on this. | committed, we really want to deliver on this.— deliver on this. i really wanted _ deliver on this. i really wanted to _ deliver on this. i really wanted to deliver - deliver on this. i really wanted to deliver it. deliver on this. i really wanted to deliver it in | deliver on this. i really - wanted to deliver it in 2020, we really want to deliver in 2021, we might not deliver in 2022. ~ ., , 2021, we might not deliver in 2022. . ., , ., , 2022. well, i am very hopeful we can deliver _ 2022. well, i am very hopeful we can deliver it. _ 2022. well, i am very hopeful we can deliver it. you're - 2022. well, i am very hopeful we can deliver it. you're quite right, — we can deliver it. you're quite right, i— we can deliver it. you're quite right, i completely we should be doing _ right, i completely we should be doing more. but we have moved — be doing more. but we have moved some way.— be doing more. but we have moved some way. things are different now _ moved some way. things are different now than _ moved some way. things are different now than they - moved some way. things are different now than they were | different now than they were before — different now than they were before~ they— different now than they were before. they are _ different now than they were before. they are blatant, - different now than they were before. they are blatant, ini before. they are blatant, in your— before. they are blatant, in your face _ before. they are blatant, in your face challenges. - before. they are blatant, in your face challenges. we i before. they are blatant, in - your face challenges. we cannot run away — your face challenges. we cannot run away from _ your face challenges. we cannot run away from them. _ your face challenges. we cannot run away from them. no. - your face challenges. we cannot run away from them. no. let's i run away from them. no. let's take another _ run away from them. let's take another question, run away from them.- let's take another question, and - run away from them.- let'sl take another question, and that is from leahjoshua, whojoins us from outside the is from leahjoshua, who joins us from outside the sydney opera house in australia. let's have your question, and a very good morning to you, leah josha. good morning to you, leah josha. ., ., i. josha. good morning to you, too. i josha. good morning to you, too i am — josha. good morning to you, too. i am tim _ josha. good morning to you, too. i am tim leah - josha. good morning to you, too. i am tim leah josha --| too. lam tim leahjosha —— leahjosha, i too. lam tim leahjosha —— leahjosha, lam too. lam tim leahjosha —— leahjosha, i am 12 years old and in sydney, australia. this is what really worries me. australia has said they have no plans to stop mining and exploiting coal beyond 2030. it will be my generation that has to live with the consequences of decisions like these. my question to the leaders is, how can we rid the world of coal? thanks very much indeed. just to add to that, according to the international energy agency, the level of coal production forecast for 2050 is four times the limits needed to reach and at the zero emissions by 2050, which is a pretty terrifying thought. first of all, you said in september that colombian coal production is expected to rebound by 40— 50% by 2021, because demand is strong and international prices are high. this is balanced, isn't it, by having an economic future but also combating the climate crisis. how radical is yourideas climate crisis. how radical is your ideas for reduction in coal? �* ., �* , coal? and we don't burn the cold that — coal? and we don't burn the cold that we _ coal? and we don't burn the cold that we produce. - coal? and we don't burn the cold that we produce. no, i coal? and we don't burn the l cold that we produce. no, you send it out- — cold that we produce. no, you send it out. which _ cold that we produce. no, you send it out. which is - cold that we produce. no, you send it out. which is not - cold that we produce. no, you send it out. which is not good | send it out. which is not good either. send it out. which is not good either. �* ., . ., either. but we need to agree on something _ either. but we need to agree on something here. _ either. but we need to agree on something here. the _ either. but we need to agree on something here. the problem i either. but we need to agree oni something here. the problem is something here. the problem is not the source of energy. the problem is emissions. so if we find a way to mitigate or eliminate the emissions from coal, then we should be ok, and we have carbon capture and storage, so for example, as part of the transition in colombia, and i have discussed this with kwasi, when we took blue hydrogen, which is using blue hydrogen, which is using blue colbert capturing all the c02 that blue colbert capturing all the co2 that is emitted during the process, that should be fine. and when we think about what are we going to do with the families that depend on this coal, we need to think about a transition. because i cannot eliminate cold overnight, and then have 100,000... but eliminate cold overnight, and then have 100,000. .. then have 100,000... but you do want to eliminate _ then have 100,000... but you do want to eliminate coal? _ then have 100,000... but you do want to eliminate coal? let's - want to eliminate coal? let's be clear. i want to eliminate coal? let's be clear-— be clear. i want to eliminate emissions- _ be clear. i want to eliminate emissions. if _ be clear. i want to eliminate emissions. if we _ be clear. i want to eliminate emissions. if we have... - be clear. i want to eliminate | emissions. if we have... that is a different _ emissions. if we have... that is a different thing. _ emissions. if we have... that is a different thing. yes. - emissions. if we have... that is a different thing. yes. the | is a different thing. yes. the roblem is a different thing. yes. the problem is — is a different thing. yes. the problem is not _ is a different thing. yes. the problem is not the _ is a different thing. yes. the problem is not the energy i problem is not the energy source, the problem is the emissions that are omitted from different energy sources. we have discussed this, and i think— have discussed this, and i think there are two elements to this _ think there are two elements to this i_ think there are two elements to this. i think we have to reduce the emissions. we are committed to that _ the emissions. we are committed to that. but we also have to, and — to that. but we also have to, and this— to that. but we also have to, and this is— to that. but we also have to, and this is critical, develop carbon— and this is critical, develop carbon capture and litigants, so those _ carbon capture and litigants, so those two things have to go together _ so those two things have to go to . ether. �* so those two things have to go touether. �* ., so those two things have to go touether. �* . ., ~ . together. but hang on, alec sharma said, _ together. but hang on, alec sharma said, this _ together. but hang on, alec sharma said, this must - together. but hang on, alec sharma said, this must be i together. but hang on, alec. sharma said, this must be the cop that consigns coal to history, and he is the president of cop. history, and he is the resident of cop. ~ . ., president of cop. what he meant b that, if president of cop. what he meant by that. if you — president of cop. what he meant by that, if you look _ president of cop. what he meant by that, if you look at _ president of cop. what he meant by that, if you look at the - by that, if you look at the uk's _ by that, if you look at the uk's energy generation, only eight — uk's energy generation, only eight years ago, nine years ago now in— eight years ago, nine years ago now in 2012, everybody here was alive _ now in 2012, everybody here was alive in _ now in 2012, everybody here was alive in 2012, 40% of the electricity you consumed in the uk came — electricity you consumed in the uk came from coal. today the percentages 1—2%. that is what we want — percentages1—2%. that is what we want to— percentages 1—2%. that is what we want to see, in terms of thermal— we want to see, in terms of thermal coal and power generation. there are industrial processes where coal is used. — industrial processes where coal is used, and that is where we want — is used, and that is where we want to— is used, and that is where we want to actually develop carbon capture. — want to actually develop carbon capture, to net off emissions. it capture, to net off emissions. it is _ capture, to net off emissions. it is a — capture, to net off emissions. it is a net _ capture, to net off emissions. it is a net zero target. i know you _ it is a net zero target. i know you want— it is a net zero target. i know you want to move on, but... it is you want to move on, but... [it is a you want to move on, but... is a net zero you want to move on, but... it is a net zero target. and - you want to move on, but... it is a net zero target. and net . is a net zero target. and net zero target. _ is a net zero target. and net zero target, you _ is a net zero target. and net zero target, you have - is a net zero target. and net zero target, you have to - zero target, you have to develop _ zero target, you have to develop carbon capture to net off the — develop carbon capture to net off the emissions. that is what we're — off the emissions. that is what we're trying to do.— we're trying to do. well, greenland _ we're trying to do. well, greenland has _ we're trying to do. well, greenland has coal- we're trying to do. well, greenland has coal but i we're trying to do. well, | greenland has coal but is we're trying to do. well, - greenland has coal but is not greenland has coal but is not mining cold, so what do you make of this idea that it is all about the emissions, not about the fundamentals of winning the world off coal? i winning the world off coal? i can understand diego. winning the world off coal? i can understand diego. some people who make some money to work in these mines. all we need is the investments from the mining, the green energy and green technology, and that is why we need to make, to take action, and invest. the big countries, the big economies, have a responsibility to do that. if we can start from today, we can make the transition to the green energy and the green technology. applause. i and the green technology. applause-— and the green technology. applause. ., ., applause. i agree with that 100%. .. applause. i agree with that 100%- -- can _ applause. i agree with that 100%. .. can | _ applause. i agree with that 100%. .. can | say _ applause. | agree with that| 100%. .. can i say something really quick? _ 100%. .. can i say something really quick? colombia - 100%. .. can i say something really quick? colombia is - 100%. .. can i say something really quick? colombia is a l really quick? colombia is a middle _ really quick? colombia is a middle income _ really quick? colombia is a middle income country- really quick? colombia is a middle income country but really quick? colombia is a . middle income country but we still have _ middle income country but we still have significant _ middle income country but we still have significant high- still have significant high poverty— still have significant high poverty rates. _ still have significant high poverty rates. so - still have significant high poverty rates. so we - still have significant highi poverty rates. so we need still have significant high- poverty rates. so we need to close _ poverty rates. so we need to close a — poverty rates. so we need to close a lot — poverty rates. so we need to close a lot of _ poverty rates. so we need to close a lot of social- poverty rates. so we need to close a lot of social gaps - poverty rates. so we need to close a lot of social gaps in l close a lot of social gaps in colombia, _ close a lot of social gaps in colombia, and _ close a lot of social gaps in colombia, and we - close a lot of social gaps in colombia, and we do - close a lot of social gaps in colombia, and we do that. close a lot of social gaps in . colombia, and we do that with royalties _ colombia, and we do that with royalties for— colombia, and we do that with royalties, for example, - colombia, and we do that with royalties, for example, from l royalties, for example, from the mining _ royalties, for example, from the mining sector. _ royalties, for example, from the mining sector. but- royalties, for example, from the mining sector. but he i royalties, for example, from. the mining sector. but he was demanding _ the mining sector. but he was demanding the— the mining sector. but he was demanding the coal? - the mining sector. but he was demanding the coal? it - the mining sector. but he was demanding the coal? it is - the mining sector. but he was. demanding the coal? it is asia. the demand _ demanding the coal? it is asia. the demand comes— demanding the coal? it is asia. the demand comes from - demanding the coal? it is asia. the demand comes from the i the demand comes from the developed _ the demand comes from the developed countries. - the demand comes from the developed countries. [5 i the demand comes from the developed countries.- the demand comes from the developed countries. is that a aood developed countries. is that a good enough _ developed countries. is that a good enough argument, gina| good enough argument, gina mccarthy? i know you have a problem in west virginia, your senator there does not want to push through the big climate package because there is a lot of coal mining there. so is america serious enough about winning the country off coal? well, we're serious enough that we are investing significantly in ccus, but i would have to say that in the united states, coal is not the fuel of choice. it is waning, and we are looking for opportunities for a transition so that we recognise that clean energy is the clear winner. that clean energy is the clear winner. ' :: :: , that clean energy is the clear winner.- while - that clean energy is the clear winner.- while we i that clean energy is the clear winner.- while we are | winner. 100%. while we are here, winner. 100%. while we are here. the — winner. 100%. while we are here, the campbell - winner. 100%. while we are here, the campbell oilfield l winner. 100%. while we are l here, the campbell oilfield off shetland is a huge oilfield and it is about to either get the go—ahead or not. the government's legal departments as you, the business secretary, can make a decision. when will you make a decision, and do you want campbell to go ahead? i am want campbell to go ahead? i am not auoin want campbell to go ahead? i am rrot going to _ want campbell to go ahead? i am rrot going to say _ want campbell to go ahead? i am not going to say the _ want campbell to go ahead? i am not going to say the decision here, — not going to say the decision here, on— not going to say the decision here, on television. but not going to say the decision here, on television.- here, on television. but is there a — here, on television. but is there a decision? - here, on television. but is there a decision? they i here, on television. but is| there a decision? they will here, on television. but is i there a decision? they will be a decision _ there a decision? they will be a decision coming _ there a decision? they will be a decision coming quickly. i there a decision? they will be a decision coming quickly. all| a decision coming quickly. all iwill— a decision coming quickly. all i will say— a decision coming quickly. all i will say about this is that it is— i will say about this is that it is a _ i will say about this is that it is a license but was granted 20 years— it is a license but was granted 20 years ago. it is a license but was granted 20 years ago-— 20 years ago. yes, but it has been revisited. _ 20 years ago. yes, but it has been revisited. and - 20 years ago. yes, but it has been revisited. and it - 20 years ago. yes, but it has been revisited. and it is i 20 years ago. yes, but it has been revisited. and it is a i been revisited. and it is a planning _ been revisited. and it is a planning decision - been revisited. and it is a planning decision that i been revisited. and it is a planning decision that we | been revisited. and it is a i planning decision that we are going — planning decision that we are going to _ planning decision that we are going to examine.— planning decision that we are going to examine. crowd boos. and the other _ going to examine. crowd boos. and the other thing _ going to examine. crowd boos. and the other thing i _ going to examine. crowd boos. and the other thing i would i and the other thing i would say, as diego said, it is a transition... but why open a new oilfield? transition. .. but why open a new oilfield?— transition... but why open a new oilfield? one of the things i have negotiated _ new oilfield? one of the things i have negotiated is _ new oilfield? one of the things i have negotiated is the - i have negotiated is the northey transition deal. i can't _ northey transition deal. i can't say— northey transition deal. i can't say to the quarter million _ can't say to the quarter million people who work in the sector— million people who work in the sector in— million people who work in the sector in the uk that we are going — sector in the uk that we are going to _ sector in the uk that we are going tojust close, sector in the uk that we are going to just close, shut the door— going to just close, shut the door on— going to just close, shut the door on the sector overnight. leah— door on the sector overnight. leahjosha, we heard from door on the sector overnight. leah josha, we heard from you leahjosha, we heard from you for the question, what do you make of what you have heard? i make of what you have heard? i appreciate those answers and i appreciate those answers and i appreciate that you are investing in carbon capture is, ijust investing in carbon capture is, i just want you to know that we are all depending on you, and we hope you deliver, because we're running of time.- we're running of time. thank ou we're running of time. thank you very _ we're running of time. thank you very much- _ we're running of time. thank you very much. applause. i we're running of time. thank i you very much. applause. that is all from the global climate debate here in glasgow, the cop26 climate conference. i hope you find it enlightening and possibly encouraging. thank you to our panellists, kwasi kwarteng, gina mccarthy, diego massa. and also to our question is from here in the studio and around the world. and whatever you are watching or listening, oras you are watching or listening, or as well as online, thank you very much forjoining us. until the next time, goodbye from me and all of the team here in glasgow. goodbye. hello. saturday's cloud and rain moving south was only one part of the weather picture. the other was the strengthening wind, and close to this low pressure, northern scotland will get off to a stormy start on sunday morning. there could be some travel disruption, as severe gales move through, and still some outbreaks of rain, whereas much of the rest of the uk, although it is still breezy, will get off to a dry start. cloudy skies in the west, and it's mild, temperatures around 6—11 degrees celsius. just focus on the winds, though, on sunday morning, particularly across orkney and northeast scotland, here some gusts 60—70mph here, maybe a little bit more exposed coasts and hills with some large waves on some of the coasts as well. so some disruptive strong winds to begin the day. slowly easing as the day goes on. still a few showers moving through here. maybe one or two showers with the cloud across the western side of the uk, but most places, as high pressure begins to move in, will have a dry sunday. the best of any sunny spells in the east. these temperatures are a little down on saturday's readings, but still on the mild side of average. now, as we go on through sunday evening and night, we will find some clear spells through eastern parts of scotland and down the eastern side of england. and this will allow for a touch of frost in the coldest spots, as temperatures drop close to freezing. we will keep the cloud in the west. the temperatures hold up here, and it is a mainly dry night to come. we have another weather system coming our way. this area of low pressure, the weather fronts around it, and it will gradually take this weather front southwards across the uk. it will take a lot of the week to do so. it will slowly bring in some outbreaks of rain across northern ireland on monday, into scotland, especially the north and west. could see some reaching into parts of northwest england and wales as well. whereas the rest of wales and england will stay mainly dry. some sunny spells in eastern england, around 11 celsius here, feeling rather chilly. whereas in belfast, up to 1a celsius. the breeze freshening again across northwestern areas. here comes the weather front slowly moving southwards as the week goes on. but we will maintain a west or south—westerly flow into the uk. so for the week ahead, things are looking mild. you will notice that on the temperatures here. a lot of cloud around, a few sunny spells, and again, some outbreaks of rain very gradually spreading southwards as the week goes on. good morning. welcome to breakfast with nina warhurst and rogerjohnson. our headlines today: a rallying cry for the cop climate summit in glasgow — the prime minister urges countries to pull together ahead of the final days of intense negotiations police in texas launch a criminal investigation, after eight people are crushed to death at a music festival in houston. this is now a criminal investigation thatis this is now a criminal investigation that is going to involve our homicide division as well as narcotics and we are going to get down to the bottom of it. shocking footage of dangerous driving — police in yorkshire launch a major road safety safety campaign to tackle falling standards post lockdown norwich city win their first premier league match of the season,

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