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and as you'd expect, the 620 summit and the cop26 conference in glasgow dominate most of the front pages. the financial times headline says there's a "huge way to go" at the climate summit, as it reports there was no agreement among 620 leaders on phasing out coal power. the daily telegraph's front page has a story about the growing row between france and the uk on fishing rights, with the eu accusing the uk of seeking a brexit clash. we are one minute to midnight when it comes to climate change, according to the guardian's front page, which also carries a picture of 620 leaders throwing coins into rome's trevi fountain. wonder what they were wishing for. "we can't let cop 26 be a cop out" is the daily mail's front page, quoting the prime minister borisjohnson, who will speak at the glasgow climate change meeting on monday. the times carries borisjohnson�*s warning that it's the world's last chance on climate change. there's also a picture of him with the president of france, mr macron, who's given the pm an ultimatum in the row over fishing. a picture of borisjohnson dominates the daily express, with the headline "what on earth are you playing at?", as he prepares to read the riot act to other world leaders at cop26. "the heat is on", according to the mirror's front page, as the un says the last seven years have been the hottest on record. and the metro's front page has a picture of what it calls "tunnel horror" after two trains collided near salisbury. 0k, ok, so that was a little flavour of our front pages. ok, so that was a little flavour of ourfront pages. lovely ok, so that was a little flavour of our front pages. lovely to have you both back, including yourself, olivia. persia duejoining us, i know you're not too well, so we are going to print off with the front page of the guardian. and, olivia, you are going to kick is off this time around, johnson speaking to the world leaders?— world leaders? yeah, his tone is much more _ world leaders? yeah, his tone is much more downbeat _ world leaders? yeah, his tone is much more downbeat than - world leaders? yeah, his tone is much more downbeat than it - world leaders? yeah, his tone is| much more downbeat than it has world leaders? yeah, his tone is - much more downbeat than it has been in recent weeks. we have had a lot of rhetoric about how we are going to get there, he talks about, it is a big plan for the capitalist plan, save the planet, and he has been very upbeat, as borisjohnson often is, and now we are seeing a change in all of that. same sort of tone coming from the leader of the un as well, that it is, our hopes have not been fulfilled, but they have not been fulfilled, but they have not been buried either, is the tone we are getting, and it is busily piss at this t20 meeting, leaders have not made the commitments that the prime minister and others were hoping they would make. they hedged their bets a little bit, and so it sounds a little bit, and so it sounds a little bit, and so it sounds a little bit as though we are knocking to reach the targets we hoped we were going to reach endicott 26 meeting over the next few days. —— at the cop26 meeting. {links meeting over the next few days. -- at the com meeting.— at the cop26 meeting. only 12 out of 20 sinned at the cop26 meeting. only 12 out of 20 signed uo — at the cop26 meeting. only 12 out of 20 signed up to _ at the cop26 meeting. only 12 out of 20 signed up to 2050. _ at the cop26 meeting. only 12 out of 20 signed up to 2050. absolutely, i 20 signed up to 2050. absolutely, and they have _ 20 signed up to 2050. absolutely, and they have got _ 20 signed up to 2050. absolutely, and they have got to _ 20 signed up to 2050. absolutely, and they have got to get _ 20 signed up to 2050. absolutely, and they have got to get over - and they have got to get over 200 countries — and they have got to get over 200 countries allied over the next two weeks _ countries allied over the next two weeks we — countries allied over the next two weeks. we must be very glad we are hosting _ weeks. we must be very glad we are hosting cop26, because it makes us appear— hosting cop26, because it makes us appear the _ hosting cop26, because it makes us appear the good guys, simply from being _ appear the good guys, simply from being the _ appear the good guys, simply from being the hosts, when we are just, as far— being the hosts, when we are just, as far as— being the hosts, when we are just, as far as we — being the hosts, when we are just, as far as we can see, reading everything i read, as inept as everybody else, and saying all the i’i l ht everybody else, and saying all the right things and doing a tiny little tweak— right things and doing a tiny little tweak will basically breaking every rule in _ tweak will basically breaking every rule in the — tweak will basically breaking every rule in the book some it is quite interesting. on the next page, i think— interesting. on the next page, i think peter walker, one of the group around _ think peter walker, one of the group around boris in rome, reports that boris _ around boris in rome, reports that boris says— around boris in rome, reports that boris says he had not really taken it that _ boris says he had not really taken it that seriously until he got to number— it that seriously until he got to number ten it that seriously until he got to numberten and got it that seriously until he got to number ten and got the science direct— number ten and got the science direct from the scientists, which makes _ direct from the scientists, which makes you — direct from the scientists, which makes you worry, really, that we have _ makes you worry, really, that we have got — makes you worry, really, that we have got a — makes you worry, really, that we have got a prime minister who is on them _ have got a prime minister who is on them and _ have got a prime minister who is on them and prime minister for a year, year and _ them and prime minister for a year, year and a _ them and prime minister for a year, year and a half, them and prime minister for a year, yearand a half, and he has them and prime minister for a year, year and a half, and he has only been _ year and a half, and he has only been aware _ year and a half, and he has only been aware of the seriousness of the situation _ been aware of the seriousness of the situation for — been aware of the seriousness of the situation for that period of time. it is scary~ — situation for that period of time. it is scary-— situation for that period of time. it is scary. olivia, we will turn to the front page — it is scary. olivia, we will turn to the front page of _ it is scary. olivia, we will turn to the front page of the _ it is scary. olivia, we will turn to the front page of the mail. - it is scary. olivia, we will turn to the front page of the mail. their| the front page of the mail. their headline is, again, quoting boris johnson, we cannot let cop26 be a copout. he johnson, we cannot let cop26 be a co out. , johnson, we cannot let cop26 be a coout. , ., , copout. he is dampening expectations, _ copout. he is dampening expectations, it - copout. he is dampening expectations, it feels, i copout. he is dampening expectations, it feels, inj copout. he is dampening - expectations, it feels, in the run up expectations, it feels, in the run up here. you can really tell that, as shyama is suggesting, he has the zeal of a convert, definitely. he did not really believe climate change was going to change the planet in a major way for many of the years that he was a backbencher and london mayor, now he really does, and too many people suggest that carries influence, and some sceptics that if it was not for his trendy wife, he would not be interested at all. i do not think thatis interested at all. i do not think that is true, i think he has hurt the science and changes mind. —— heard the science and changed his mind. but he is very firm on this, he is keen to set big targets. his problem is, the same is true, of many world leaders, when they want to change things but they don't talk about how. they set these ambitious targets, they tell off other countries when setting ambitious targets, but what are you going to do when he gets to making the targets? it is not ok to stew the ideological about it and said big targets, yoga to work out what the nitty—gritty is as well. —— you've got to work out what is. this nitty-gritty is as well. -- you've got to work out what is.- nitty-gritty is as well. -- you've got to work out what is. as we turn to the front — got to work out what is. as we turn to the front of _ got to work out what is. as we turn to the front of the _ got to work out what is. as we turn to the front of the i, _ to the front of the i, shyama, olivia mentioned when this is going to happen. when you look at the wording in the communiqu put in place at the 620, even that sounds vague — bite or around the middle of the century. there is nothing concrete there, is there? there is nothin: concrete there, is there? there is nothing concrete _ concrete there, is there? there is nothing concrete at _ concrete there, is there? there is nothing concrete at the _ concrete there, is there? there is nothing concrete at the moment, | concrete there, is there? there is . nothing concrete at the moment, the two dates— nothing concrete at the moment, the two dates we have our 2050 and 2060, both of— two dates we have our 2050 and 2060, both of which are really flying by the seat — both of which are really flying by the seat of our pants. i was saying earlier, and — the seat of our pants. i was saying earlier, and we did the review and hour— earlier, and we did the review and hour ago. — earlier, and we did the review and hourago, but earlier, and we did the review and hour ago, but we don't seem to have is that— hour ago, but we don't seem to have is that risk— hour ago, but we don't seem to have is that risk register that tells us what _ is that risk register that tells us what happens if we don't do this. they— what happens if we don't do this. they say, — what happens if we don't do this. they say, it — what happens if we don't do this. they say, it is the end of the world, — they say, it is the end of the world, it _ they say, it is the end of the world, it is _ they say, it is the end of the world, it is the end of the world. it is clearly — world, it is the end of the world. it is clearly not the end of the world, — it is clearly not the end of the world, because the world will do fine without people in it, it will regenerate, but what i want to understand is the human cost. i don't _ understand is the human cost. i don't know— —— want to do with the misery is, i want— —— want to do with the misery is, i wantto— —— want to do with the misery is, i want to know— —— want to do with the misery is, i want to know the human cost is. the modelling _ want to know the human cost is. the modelling it— want to know the human cost is. the modelling it seems to me has not come _ modelling it seems to me has not come far— modelling it seems to me has not come far enough and we are trying... we are— come far enough and we are trying... we are like _ come far enough and we are trying... we are like the little boy with his finger— we are like the little boy with his finger in— we are like the little boy with his finger in the dyke, not really sure if it is— finger in the dyke, not really sure if it is going — finger in the dyke, not really sure if it is going to work. you finger in the dyke, not really sure if it is going to work.— if it is going to work. you asked what is going — if it is going to work. you asked what is going to _ if it is going to work. you asked what is going to look _ if it is going to work. you asked what is going to look like, - if it is going to work. you asked what is going to look like, let's| what is going to look like, let's turn to the mirror, because they have an indication of what it looks like. the heat is on, their headline, the greek island of via. this is what we saw the summer. yes, which i think — this is what we saw the summer. yes, which i think is — this is what we saw the summer. yes, which i think is what we _ this is what we saw the summer. use: which i think is what we are realising and what global leaders are realising is it is not going to happen 20 years down the line, it is what is happening now, and i think borisjohnson said the other day about the fact that climate changes would cause mass migration to countries like britain might actually strike a bit of accord with some people who might previously been sceptical about the effects of climate change, and i think as shyama says, if we start talking about the human impact any particle changes we are good have to make if we don't make changes now to our commissions, i thicken might bring some people around, and i think that would probably help a little bit with some of the leaders who are struggling with global leaders have got to make political calculations, of course they do, they want to be popular at the time of the election, and raising the price of people's fuel is not particular popular, and we need to hear the other side, what will happen practically if we don't make these changes and that will perhaps put some pressure on the leaders drag their feet at the moment. , , , ., ., leaders drag their feet at the moment.�* , , ., ., ., moment. just before we move on from this, “ust moment. just before we move on from this. just want — moment. just before we move on from this. just want to _ moment. just before we move on from this, just want to take _ moment. just before we move on from this, just want to take you back - moment. just before we move on from this, just want to take you back to - this, just want to take you back to some of the arguments coming out of climate change, that is there is not enough support being given to developing nations, and it was mentioned at the 620. they said there has not been enough commitment, because developing countries need the financial support from the developed nations also the argument is, you caused it, you have to pay for it because you profited from it. shyama, what do you make of that argument? i from it. shyama, what do you make of that argument?— that argument? i think is obviously true. it is true _ that argument? i think is obviously true. it is true of _ that argument? i think is obviously true. it is true of everything, - that argument? i think is obviously true. it is true of everything, not . true. it is true of everything, not 'ust true. it is true of everything, not just climate _ true. it is true of everything, not just climate change. it is true across— just climate change. it is true across the _ just climate change. it is true across the covid vaccination, but it is important — across the covid vaccination, but it is important across climate changem _ is important across climate change... we cannot afford for our industries — change... we cannot afford for our industries and businesses to make the tweaks, because the scaling up of freaks— the tweaks, because the scaling up of freaks is— the tweaks, because the scaling up of freaks is billions upon billions upon _ of freaks is billions upon billions upon billions — i don't know what comes— upon billions — i don't know what comes after— upon billions — i don't know what comes after billions, is it trillions? _ comes after billions, is it trillions? what does that mean for a small— trillions? what does that mean for a small country like the i don't know, suriname _ small country like the i don't know, suriname or— small country like the i don't know, suriname or madagascar or sri lanka? what does it _ suriname or madagascar or sri lanka? what does it mean? it is about capacity. — what does it mean? it is about capacity. it _ what does it mean? it is about capacity, it is about ability and it is always— capacity, it is about ability and it is always about money. quite clearly there _ is always about money. quite clearly there is _ is always about money. quite clearly there is not — is always about money. quite clearly there is not enough money, we have not got _ there is not enough money, we have not got enough money to do it, sol would _ not got enough money to do it, sol would they? — not got enough money to do it, sol would they? we are not giving it away, _ would they? we are not giving it away, we — would they? we are not giving it away, we have already cut our aid budget _ away, we have already cut our aid budget i— away, we have already cut our aid budget. i don't know what we are going _ budget. i don't know what we are going to — budget. i don't know what we are going to do. olivia wasjust budget. i don't know what we are going to do. olivia was just saying about— going to do. olivia was just saying about this — going to do. olivia was just saying about this photograph on the front of the _ about this photograph on the front of the mirror, absolutely right, this is— of the mirror, absolutely right, this is recent burning. i was in australia _ this is recent burning. i was in australia at the beating last year when _ australia at the beating last year when the — australia at the beating last year when the forest fires were raging around _ when the forest fires were raging around sydney and melbourne was filled with black smoke, naturally has only— filled with black smoke, naturally has onlyjust now very reluctantly come _ has onlyjust now very reluctantly come to— has onlyjust now very reluctantly come to the table on the cop 26 ask. if we cannot do it, if the _ the cop 26 ask. if we cannot do it, if the risk— the cop 26 ask. if we cannot do it, if the risk countries cannot do it, how— if the risk countries cannot do it, how can — if the risk countries cannot do it, how can the _ if the risk countries cannot do it, how can the poor possibly go without our help? _ how can the poor possibly go without our hel ? , ., ., ., our help? lester to the front of the times, olivia. _ our help? lester to the front of the times, olivia. ultimatums- our help? lester to the front of the times, olivia. ultimatums being i times, olivia. ultimatums being issued. do you think that is the way to go when it comes to fishing? l to go when it comes to fishing? i don't think it is the way to go. what macron has done is throwing his toys out of the pram again... the permission is not been granted but is because the fissures have not brought in the paperwork. they had do not have paperwork. they simply... the french are trying it on with this, and understandably britain is pretty annoyed about this, but macron is retching and that because he knows that this rhetoric appeals to french nationalists and he needs them on—site in the run—up to the french election, so he is giving britain these massive threats, and that is telling us to de—escalate. don't see how we can de—escalate full tub this row is going to keep rumbling on both sides are pretending they are the grown up in the situation, but neither side is being particular grown up about it, but i do see why the british are pretty fed up with the british are pretty fed up with the french who have behaved terribly in all of this. it is the french who have behaved terribly in all of this-— in all of this. it is interesting, shyama. _ in all of this. it is interesting, shyama, because _ in all of this. it is interesting, shyama, because as - in all of this. it is interesting, shyama, because as we - in all of this. it is interesting, shyama, because as we turnl in all of this. it is interesting, i shyama, because as we turn to in all of this. it is interesting, - shyama, because as we turn to the front page of the daily telegraph, the pictures of the two leaders as well, this being there late story —— and their lead story. bringing up the northern ireland particle as well. d0 the northern ireland particle as well. ., ., ., well. do not mention the northern ireland protocol— well. do not mention the northern ireland protocol to _ well. do not mention the northern ireland protocol to me! _ well. do not mention the northern ireland protocolto me! i _ well. do not mention the northernl ireland protocolto me! i thought... ireland protocol to me! i thought... they— ireland protocol to me! i thought... they can _ ireland protocol to me! i thought... they can drive across the board and pick it _ they can drive across the board and pick it up. _ they can drive across the board and pick it up, exactly the same forms! in the _ pick it up, exactly the same forms! in the end. — pick it up, exactly the same forms! in the end, anybody fly to ireland could _ in the end, anybody fly to ireland could take — in the end, anybody fly to ireland could take this with them, and that is what _ could take this with them, and that is what people who are managing the northern— is what people who are managing the northern ireland protocol are dealing — northern ireland protocol are dealing with every day, in terms of the customs border. the story in the telegraph— the customs border. the story in the telegraph is— the customs border. the story in the telegraph is led by a piece from the european _ telegraph is led by a piece from the european commission vice president, who has— european commission vice president, who has now— european commission vice president, who has nowjoined louder this particular— who has nowjoined louder this particular argument, who has nowjoined louder this particularargument, urging lord particular argument, urging lord frost. _ particular argument, urging lord frost. our— particularargument, urging lord frost, our man, to give way on the fishing _ frost, our man, to give way on the fishing argument. we cannot, because one of— fishing argument. we cannot, because one of the _ fishing argument. we cannot, because one of the main reasons for people voting _ one of the main reasons for people voting brexit or getting worked up about— voting brexit or getting worked up about brexit was the fishing rights of the _ about brexit was the fishing rights of the french and british waters, so - excuse _ of the french and british waters, so - excuse me. — of the french and british waters, so — excuse me, ithinki of the french and british waters, so — excuse me, i think i am catching olivia's _ — excuse me, i think i am catching olivia's bug — — excuse me, i think i am catching olivia's bug over here — this puts us in _ olivia's bug over here — this puts us in a _ olivia's bug over here — this puts us in a very— olivia's bug over here — this puts us in a very difficult position, because _ us in a very difficult position, because we cannot budge. even if we are in_ because we cannot budge. even if we are in the _ because we cannot budge. even if we are in the wrong, we cannot budge, and macron— are in the wrong, we cannot budge, and macron cannot budge because of his trade _ and macron cannot budge because of his trade unions. it is boys throwing _ his trade unions. it is boys throwing their toys out of the pram! accusation. — throwing their toys out of the pram! accusation, eu chief accuses uk... are you saying we need a woman to sort this out, shyama? lau6hter i certainly think, if only old angela _ i certainly think, if only old angela were popping into the picture here, _ angela were popping into the picture here. she _ angela were popping into the picture here, she might solve things, she has her— here, she might solve things, she has her own— here, she might solve things, she has her own battles to fight at the moment. but there is an awful lot of that kind _ moment. but there is an awful lot of that kind of— moment. but there is an awful lot of that kind of standoffish in us which i do feel— that kind of standoffish in us which i do feel is— that kind of standoffish in us which i do feel is a form of tester on aggression, you know. we will leave it there. aggression, you know. we will leave it there- -- — aggression, you know. we will leave it there. -- testosterone. _ aggression, you know. we will leave it there. -- testosterone. sorry, - aggression, you know. we will leave it there. -- testosterone. sorry, i. it there. —— testosterone. sorry, i lost your last words, but shyama perera, olivia utley, thank you very much. and from us and the team, good night. i feel weak, i feel like a failure because i can't lose weight. that's it. for thousands across the uk, living with obesity can be hard, physically and mentally. i think if you're living with severe, chronic obesity then it's highly likely that you will have a mental health difficulty. this is not simply about lifestyle choices, it's a tangled mix of genetics, environment and emotion. food has been my- happiness for 15 years. and new research has found a link between obesity and feelings of despair and shame.

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