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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are benjamin butterworth, late editor and senior reporter with the i, and john stevens, deputy political editor with the daily mail. tomorrow's front pages, starting with... the observer leads on the fishing row between france and the uk as leading scientists and environmentalists fear that the dispute could overshadow cop26. the telegraph also focuses on the fishing dispute, reporting that borisjohnson has urged the eu to rein in france, accusing the french pm of a patttern of threats against the uk. the express calls the prime minister "boris the gladiator" as he made a speech on climate change in the colosseum in rome. staying on climate change, the sunday times reports that world leaders are close to agreeing a deal to halt global deforestation by 2030. and the mail on sunday reports that a russian hacking gang are behind a virtual heist on an exclusive jewellery firm, resulting in a leak of thousands of personal details of hollywood stars and billionaire tycoons, from oprah winfrey to donald trump. so let's begin. john, you're kicking us off on the front page of the express and boris johnson depicted as a gladiator. this has borisjohnson in the colosseum in rome where he is attending the 620 colosseum in rome where he is attending the g20 summit before he flies over to glasgow where the cop26 summit will happen, trying to get some new deal on climate change, trying to get action agreed between those different countries. i think it will be a big week for the prime minister, he is saying that it is a moment of truth, that we need to get some action agreed. i'm not sure he would need the skills of a gladiator, i think possibly that's a reference to his fight with emmanuel macron over brexit in fishing, but at the conference he will need to bring the world leaders together. there was a piece on one of the papers last week talking about whether boris johnson papers last week talking about whether borisjohnson has the best skills to do this job. would it not be better if we had another prime minister when we were holding the summit? they made the argument that he is a good prime minister but when he is a good prime minister but when he goes into these tough meetings with people like president xi jinping or president bolsonaro or the president of india, he disarms people with humour and he manages sometimes to get concessions out of them. , . , , ., them. this really plays, that backdmp. — them. this really plays, that backdrop, benjamin, - them. this really plays, that backdrop, benjamin, the - them. this really plays, that - backdrop, benjamin, the classics, the history, the drama, to boris johnson? it the history, the drama, to boris johnson? ., , , ., ., johnson? it does, he is a great historian loves _ johnson? it does, he is a great historian loves to _ johnson? it does, he is a great historian loves to use - johnson? it does, he is a greatj historian loves to use historical references when trying to explain his political vision and actually the context of standing in the colosseum in rome plays into what he said about _ colosseum in rome plays into what he said about the threat of climate change — said about the threat of climate change. in the last couple of days he has _ change. in the last couple of days he has said — change. in the last couple of days he has said that we should be wary of the _ he has said that we should be wary of the fatt— he has said that we should be wary of the fall of the roman empire, we should _ of the fall of the roman empire, we should learn the lesson that the collapse — should learn the lesson that the collapse of civilisations and come taster— collapse of civilisations and come faster than anyone would imagine if you dont— faster than anyone would imagine if you don't act in advance and that has been — you don't act in advance and that has been his message ahead of not the 620 _ has been his message ahead of not the 620 but cop26 where he said that if world _ the 620 but cop26 where he said that if world leaders do not act and do not have — if world leaders do not act and do not have stronger targets than the ones in _ not have stronger targets than the ones in place at the moment the hope of a 15— ones in place at the moment the hope of a 1.5 degrees rise in global temperatures will be missed, so clearly _ temperatures will be missed, so clearly he — temperatures will be missed, so clearly he will draw on these historical— clearly he will draw on these historical examples, on the imagery of rome _ historical examples, on the imagery of rome in— historical examples, on the imagery of rome in the colosseum, in order to direct _ of rome in the colosseum, in order to direct people's mines onto the challenges coming up in the next couple _ challenges coming up in the next couple of— challenges coming up in the next couple of days. challenges coming up in the next coume of deve— challenges coming up in the next couple of days. john, let's turn to the front page — couple of days. john, let's turn to the front page of _ couple of days. john, let's turn to the front page of the _ couple of days. john, let's turn to the front page of the observer, i the front page of the observer, because that lord frost and another minister sort things out. this because that lord frost and another minister sort things out.— minister sort things out. this is e- -s minister sort things out. this is e - ns -- minister sort things out. this is epps -- reported _ minister sort things out. this is epps -- reported in _ minister sort things out. this is epps -- reported in the - minister sort things out. this is i epps -- reported in the observer, epps —— reported in the observer, concerns from campaigners that there will not be the progress we need in glasgow because it will all be overshadowed by this row going on overfishing between france and the uk, we need to take this with a slight pinch of salt, i think boris johnson does have a big task on his hands this week, managing to convince countries like india to commit to giving up coal, trying to get china to make new commitments even though president xi jinping will not be there in person. i'm not sure it's helpful for borisjohnson to have is going on sure it's helpfulfor borisjohnson to have is going on in the background, it's pretty distracting, but i don't think that will make or break the summit. there is an interesting piece on cyber sunday times talking about whether it is good or bad cop, talking about things are better this year than if they hold it last year when originally planned because donald trump is no longer in the white house, you havejoe biden who is much more up for taking action on climate change, then also on the babcock side saying you have the problem of china and things have been really difficult for boris johnson, he has not been able to tour the world, banging heads together, trying to convince world leaders to stump up for their promises, so that will be the hard thing for borisjohnson, getting these people into a room and getting them to commit to something new. benjamin, in terms of the fishing disaster itself, what is your feeling come tuesday, because that is the big deadline? john feeling come tuesday, because that is the big deadline?— is the big deadline? john is right. when it comes _ is the big deadline? john is right. when it comes to _ is the big deadline? john is right. when it comes to cop26, - is the big deadline? john is right. when it comes to com, | - is the big deadline? john is right. when it comes to cop26, i don't| when it comes to cop26, i don't think— when it comes to cop26, i don't think that — when it comes to cop26, i don't think that skirmish between the uk and france — think that skirmish between the uk and france will be a defining or influencing factor. the rhetoric has been _ influencing factor. the rhetoric has been wrapped up more from the french side than _ been wrapped up more from the french side than the uk side, that the french— side than the uk side, that the french prime minister wrote in recent— french prime minister wrote in recent days to say that the eu must prove _ recent days to say that the eu must prove that— recent days to say that the eu must prove that leading the eu is damaging in his words and that's why it's so_ damaging in his words and that's why it's so important they strike the tone _ it's so important they strike the tone that — it's so important they strike the tone that france is striking at the moment — tone that france is striking at the moment. of course a british fisherman was taken in by france and is facing _ fisherman was taken in by france and is facing a _ fisherman was taken in by france and is facing a fine of £63,000. in the short— is facing a fine of £63,000. in the short term, — is facing a fine of £63,000. in the short term, this will be a difficult political— short term, this will be a difficult political dilemma but the truth is, leaders _ political dilemma but the truth is, leaders of— political dilemma but the truth is, leaders of all stripes, whether a tiberai— leaders of all stripes, whether a liberal or— leaders of all stripes, whether a liberal or a _ leaders of all stripes, whether a liberal or a conservative, they would — liberal or a conservative, they would like _ liberal or a conservative, they would like to ramp up this before an election— would like to ramp up this before an election and lo and behold there is a french— election and lo and behold there is a french presidential election coming — a french presidential election coming up which macron faces the far i’ilht coming up which macron faces the far right so— coming up which macron faces the far right so we _ coming up which macron faces the far right so we will see a lot more of this rhetoric coming from france but ithink— this rhetoric coming from france but i think the _ this rhetoric coming from france but i think the british prime minister lord frost, — i think the british prime minister lord frost, ithink i think the british prime minister lord frost, i think they know in reality— lord frost, i think they know in reality this _ lord frost, i think they know in reality this will be a storm in a teacub~ — reality this will be a storm in a teacu -. g ., ., teacup. john, when we turn to the front page — teacup. john, when we turn to the front page of _ teacup. john, when we turn to the front page of the _ teacup. john, when we turn to the front page of the telegraph, - front page of the telegraph, obviously boris johnson front page of the telegraph, obviously borisjohnson having stern words behind—the—scenes, and with the emergence of this letter it makes you think that france are trying to push the eu to make an example of britain.— trying to push the eu to make an example of britain. yes. you had the meetin: example of britain. yes. you had the meeting today _ example of britain. yes. you had the meeting today between _ example of britain. yes. you had the meeting today between boris - example of britain. yes. you had the| meeting today between boris johnson meeting today between borisjohnson and the eu commission president and then tomorrow he will meet the french president to talk about this and lots of other issues i'm sure, but it doesn't seem like either side is backing down. we saw boris johnson and macron getting on quite well today, slapping each other�*s backs, doing fist bumps, but when we look at what is actually going on with this fishing row you saw this letter yesterday from the french pm to the eu. then we have heard lord frost come back today and say that the uk is looking at possible legal action if france does go through with its frets and at the moment threatening that if the uk does not give more fishing permits to its fishermen to fish between six and i2 fishermen to fish between six and 12 miles out from the british coast they would take steps such as putting more checks onto lorries arriving into france which we know could cause massive chaos quite quickly and also to ban british fishing trawlers from being able to off—load their stocks on the french side of the channel, so i'm not really sure where we will go with this, whether either side will back down in some way, but borisjohnson and lord frost being quite firm and saying that if france does go ahead with this they will trigger article 738, we have had article 50 and 60 before but a new one tonight, talking about how it will be a breach of the brexit deal. i talking about how it will be a breach of the brexit deal. i think ou breach of the brexit deal. i think you summarised _ breach of the brexit deal. i think you summarised that _ breach of the brexit deal. i think you summarised that up - breach of the brexit deal. i think you summarised that up quite i breach of the brexit deal. i think - you summarised that up quite nicely for us! benjamin, iwonder you summarised that up quite nicely for us! benjamin, i wonder if you could take us to the other story on the front of the telegraph and the prince of wales saying the private sector must help solve climate change as the moment of truth arrives. how on earth do you convince the private sector to part with their cash? this convince the private sector to part with their cash?— convince the private sector to part with their cash? this is what prince charles is saying, _ with their cash? this is what prince charles is saying, he _ with their cash? this is what prince charles is saying, he is _ with their cash? this is what prince charles is saying, he is suggesting | charles is saying, he is suggesting that governments have not listened to changing behaviours of the corporate world, he thinks they are more _ corporate world, he thinks they are more up _ corporate world, he thinks they are more up than they give them credit for what _ more up than they give them credit for what he — more up than they give them credit for what he is planning to do is to speak— for what he is planning to do is to speak in— for what he is planning to do is to speak in rome at the 620 on sunday and tell— speak in rome at the 620 on sunday and tell the — speak in rome at the 620 on sunday and tell the fashion industry they are one _ and tell the fashion industry they are one of— and tell the fashion industry they are one of the world's most polluting. i tell you what, prince charles— polluting. i tell you what, prince charles is— polluting. i tell you what, prince charles is a _ polluting. i tell you what, prince charles is a braver man than i to deliver— charles is a braver man than i to deliver a — charles is a braver man than i to deliver a message like that in italy where _ deliver a message like that in italy where it— deliver a message like that in italy where it is— deliver a message like that in italy where it is such a cornerstone of the economy, but he makes a valid point _ the economy, but he makes a valid point about— the economy, but he makes a valid point about the amount of pollution and emissions, the very nature of fast fashion — and emissions, the very nature of fast fashion and how it needs to change — fast fashion and how it needs to change and he is suggesting an idea that appears on pieces of clothing that appears on pieces of clothing that will— that appears on pieces of clothing that will explain what the consequences of that is and what the footprint _ consequences of that is and what the footprint has been carbon wise. he has also _ footprint has been carbon wise. he has also said that young people's voices. _ has also said that young people's voices, they are despairing, that is what _ voices, they are despairing, that is what he _ voices, they are despairing, that is what he will— voices, they are despairing, that is what he will say in his comments, so clearly— what he will say in his comments, so clearly he _ what he will say in his comments, so clearly he is — what he will say in his comments, so clearly he is trying to use his influence _ clearly he is trying to use his influence on diplomatic sway to galvanise — influence on diplomatic sway to galvanise people around his cause. it's galvanise people around his cause. it's no _ galvanise people around his cause. it's no surprise he so passionate about— it's no surprise he so passionate about the — it's no surprise he so passionate about the environment but it's a bold _ about the environment but it's a bold comment to come from a royal. it's bold comment to come from a royal. it's a _ bold comment to come from a royal. it's a bit _ bold comment to come from a royal. it's a bit of— bold comment to come from a royal. it's a bit of give and take, particularly with the private sector, they will want something back if they are expected to stump up back if they are expected to stump up and pay. back if they are expected to stump up and pay-— up and pay. one of the things that prince charles _ up and pay. one of the things that prince charles will _ up and pay. one of the things that prince charles will talk _ up and pay. one of the things that prince charles will talk about - prince charles will talk about tomorrow is the initiative he already has got up and running, working with chief executives to look at sustainability, but we are starting to see him in a different way, we used to paint him as a loon, going on about these issues, talking to his plants in the garden, but now we are seeing him differently, someone bringing together business and world leaders and talking about and world leaders and talking about a topic he knows so much about because he has been talking about it for so long, so i actually think this is the making of prince charles, people start to see that he has got a leadership role on the global stage and he can bring people together and start to bring some sort of action.— together and start to bring some sort of action. ben'amin mentioned the ouna sort of action. ben'amin mentioned the young and — sort of action. ben'amin mentioned the young and the— sort of action. benjamin mentioned the young and the story _ sort of action. benjamin mentioned the young and the story of - sort of action. benjamin mentioned the young and the story of climate | the young and the story of climate change, i will stick with you, john, because this is your paper, i will put up a picture of greta arriving, she has stressed she has not had an invitation, though. this she has stressed she has not had an invitation, though.— invitation, though. this is the environmental _ invitation, though. this is the environmental activist - invitation, though. this is the | environmental activist arriving tonight in glasgow station. it's complete chaos, she is mobbed by people and photographers, there is a lot of jostling, people and photographers, there is a lot ofjostling, the police do not have much control there, but itjust shows that you have all these world leaders, i think it's 120 coming into glasgow, but someone who is a total start at just 18 as into glasgow, but someone who is a total start atjust 18 as greta thunberg who gets all this attention. it thunberg who gets all this attention-— thunberg who gets all this attention. ., , , , ., attention. it really is the youth -aushin attention. it really is the youth pushing this — attention. it really is the youth pushing this but _ attention. it really is the youth pushing this but ultimately - attention. it really is the youth pushing this but ultimately it l attention. it really is the youth l pushing this but ultimately it all depends on whether they are heard. it does, and actually i think it's a shame _ it does, and actually i think it's a shame that — it does, and actually i think it's a shame that 6reta thunberg will not -et shame that 6reta thunberg will not get the _ shame that 6reta thunberg will not get the chance to make her case in front— get the chance to make her case in front of— get the chance to make her case in front of these leaders. a lot of people — front of these leaders. a lot of people have said, why is this person a teenager? — people have said, why is this person a teenager? she has got so much attention— a teenager? she has got so much attention and diplomatic sway? and in truth _ attention and diplomatic sway? and in truth she's not speaking for herself— in truth she's not speaking for herself but for a generation of young — herself but for a generation of young people and you have seen these climate _ young people and you have seen these climate strikes and walk—outs she pioneered — climate strikes and walk—outs she pioneered in sweden, you have seen them _ pioneered in sweden, you have seen them spread across the world, and one of— them spread across the world, and one of the — them spread across the world, and one of the things that boris johnson does appear to recognise at least on the political level is that not only do young — the political level is that not only do young people but their parents are concerned about climate change, you have _ are concerned about climate change, you have seen it shoot up the ranking — you have seen it shoot up the ranking of— you have seen it shoot up the ranking of voters' concerning polling — ranking of voters' concerning polling and so i think politicians ignore — polling and so i think politicians ignore 6reta thunberg at their peril — ignore greta thunberg at their eril. �* , ., ., ignore greta thunberg at their eril. �*, ., ., peril. let's turn to the front page ofthe peril. let's turn to the front page of the sunday — peril. let's turn to the front page of the sunday times, _ peril. let's turn to the front page of the sunday times, despite - peril. let's turn to the front page of the sunday times, despite a l peril. let's turn to the front page | of the sunday times, despite a lot of the sunday times, despite a lot of pessimism about what will be achieved at cop26 it seems we hopefully have a positive concerning rain forests, john? this hopefully have a positive concerning rain forests, john?— rain forests, john? this is talking about a deal— rain forests, john? this is talking about a deal that _ rain forests, john? this is talking about a deal that they _ rain forests, john? this is talking about a deal that they think - rain forests, john? this is talking | about a deal that they think could be announced by borisjohnson on tuesday which would see the end of global deforestation by 2030. it also talks about a possible deal on methane emissions, it's about 60 countries ready to sign up to some new arrangement, and they possibly include saudi arabia which is a massive oil nation. it seems that borisjohnson might be able to get some difference ideals to show there is progress happening at cop26. it suggests they could work on deals on the oceans, electric vehicles, there is a lot of pressure on countries to deliver on climate financing for the poorer countries, back in paris in 2015 they all agreed they would give a total of $100 billion by last year to help the least developed countries make the economy is greener, and that has not happened, so borisjohnson will put people under pressure to actually stump up the cash they promised. ltrul’heh under pressure to actually stump up the cash they promised.— under pressure to actually stump up the cash they promised. when we talk about rain forest _ the cash they promised. when we talk about rain forest were _ the cash they promised. when we talk about rain forest were not _ the cash they promised. when we talk about rain forest were not talking - about rain forest were not talking about rain forest were not talking about the amazon because we have a deal with bolsonaro, there are rainforests on the african continent. benjamin, your thoughts on this? i continent. ben'amin, your thoughts on this? ~ , , ., on this? i think it is trying to broaden an _ on this? i think it is trying to broaden an arrangement - on this? i think it is trying to j broaden an arrangement like

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