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for liverpool, as mo salah scores a hat—trick in their biggest ever away win at manchester united. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are two political commentators — the former labour parliamentary candidate faiza shaheen and mo hussein, former adviser to the former conservative cabinet minister amber rudd. our chat ourchat ina our chat in a moment. first off, a quick look through some of those front pages. there's talk of a £6 billion cash injection on the front page of the times. that's expected in wednesday's budget, as part of measures to ease the nhs backlog. staying with the theme of money, and that figure of £6 billion makes an appearance again on the front page of the i. the paper says the funding will be allocated right across the uk. to covid and the winter plan. the telegraph says modelling seen by the government suggests that covid infections will decline rapidly within weeks even without a plan b. in the mirror, we have the family of alec baldwin, the actor who... a picture of their son. a daily mail investigation has found that hundreds of drug dealers are using instagram to peddle cannabis to children in a billion—pound industry. a spokesman for facebook said they've removed several of the accounts flagged up by the paper. and heartbreak at old trafford, as liverpool trashed man united 5—0, just a reminder again. the guardian has a picture of a rather glum harry maguire as salah celebrates. the liverpool player became the first away player to score a hat trick at the stadium for more than 80 years. that's got to hurt! let's begin our chat this evening. lovely to have you both back and, mo, you are going to kick us off this time around, is the front page of the times. billions for clearing the initials backlog. —— nhs backlog. this billions for clearing the initials backlog. -- nhs backlog. this is a real political _ backlog. -- nhs backlog. this is a real political issue, _ backlog. -- nhs backlog. this is a real political issue, and _ backlog. -- nhs backlog. this is a real political issue, and it - backlog. -- nhs backlog. this is a real political issue, and it will- real political issue, and it will only heat up in the coming months and years, and that is why government is acting on it. at the last week there were figures showing this is a record high on the waiting list for people waiting for treatments in hospital in england, 5.7 million people or so, has been made worse by the pandemic, so this announcement is all about dealing with this issue because it is something that will affect pretty much everyone's daily life, either themselves directly or family members or people that they know, and it will quite quickly become a on the doorstep issue when we get to an election for subsite he the government has rightly calculated that it needs to deal with this issue and actually has taken a bit of a gamble in already announcing a tax rise, breaking his own manifesto by announcing a rise in national insurance to help pay for this, because i think ultimately the view is that people stomach that because they want this waiting list to go down. at the moment it's all going in the right direction.— in the right direction. faiza, it's uuite a in the right direction. faiza, it's quite a tricky — in the right direction. faiza, it's quite a tricky balance, - in the right direction. faiza, it's quite a tricky balance, isn't - in the right direction. faiza, it's quite a tricky balance, isn't it? | quite a tricky balance, isn't it? balancing the needs of the country but also thinking ahead to the next election. �* . ., , h, but also thinking ahead to the next election. �* . ., , , election. actually, in some ways, it's cuite election. actually, in some ways, it's quite simple. _ election. actually, in some ways, it's quite simple. the _ election. actually, in some ways, it's quite simple. the nhs - election. actually, in some ways, it's quite simple. the nhs is - election. actually, in some ways, it's quite simple. the nhs is a i election. actually, in some ways, i it's quite simple. the nhs is a much loved _ it's quite simple. the nhs is a much loved institution in the uk. it has been _ loved institution in the uk. it has been underfunded for ten years. we went into _ been underfunded for ten years. we went into the pandemic already with a quarter— went into the pandemic already with a quarter thousand shortage nurses, lower_ a quarter thousand shortage nurses, lower levers — a quarter thousand shortage nurses, lower levers of scanners, doctors, hospital— lower levers of scanners, doctors, hospital beds than several countries, so that we had this major crisis _ countries, so that we had this major crisis with_ countries, so that we had this major crisis with the pandemic, so the government has to make up the tenures— government has to make up the tenures of— government has to make up the tenures of underfunding under the conservatives, now this backlog. the waiting _ conservatives, now this backlog. the waiting list— conservatives, now this backlog. the waiting list is 5.7 million, the record — waiting list is 5.7 million, the record high, it really is quite something, so absolutely this is something, so absolutely this is something affecting lots of people. and now— something affecting lots of people. and now there's been people when he for over— and now there's been people when he for over two— and now there's been people when he for over two years. that number has gone _ for over two years. that number has gone up _ for over two years. that number has gone up to— for over two years. that number has gone up to over 10,000 for so you can imagine — gone up to over 10,000 for so you can imagine people paying, people waiting _ can imagine people paying, people waiting i_ can imagine people paying, people waiting. i actually think is a quite a clear-cut— waiting. i actually think is a quite a clear—cut issue. just on that 6 bitiion— a clear—cut issue. just on that 6 billion number, i was reading different— billion number, i was reading different papers, and in other papers, — different papers, and in other papers, they are reporting that 6 billion— papers, they are reporting that 6 billion is— papers, they are reporting that 6 billion is over three years — the financiai— billion is over three years — the financial times for instance. there is a question we will look at how much _ is a question we will look at how much money is new, how much money is really— much money is new, how much money is really being _ much money is new, how much money is really being spent next year as opposed — really being spent next year as opposed to over the next few years, and this— opposed to over the next few years, and this will— opposed to over the next few years, and this will be a big question and it will— and this will be a big question and it will really undermine rishi sunak if he is found to be playing numbers — sunak if he is found to be playing numbers games. we sunak if he is found to be playing numbers games.— sunak if he is found to be playing numbers games. sunak if he is found to be playing numbers names. . ., ., ., .., numbers games. we are going to come back to the budget, _ numbers games. we are going to come back to the budget, but _ numbers games. we are going to come back to the budget, but let's _ numbers games. we are going to come back to the budget, but let's turn - back to the budget, but let's turn to the daily mirror, and as the fight against the virus and the answer for the government those vaccines, and teacher dash make it your booster, says the front page, mo. dash make it your booster, says the front page. me— dash make it your booster, says the front page. mo— front page, mo. rolling out the booster programme, _ front page, mo. rolling out the booster programme, which - front page, mo. rolling out the booster programme, which has| front page, mo. rolling out the - booster programme, which has had some teething issues but is going the right direction and encouraging people who have not had the vaccine yet to go and get themselves vaccinated. the challenge, really, is because we were quite quick in getting people vaccinated, perhaps compared to many other countries, that the impact of that could be waning six months down the line or so, so action does need to be taken wassup the government is really banking on this, and there's particularly i want to move to plan b of restrictions, not the most owners are chechens, but still telling people to work from home or telling people to work from home or telling people to work from home or telling people to work face masks —— most onerous of restrictions. not micromanaging people's lives as it had to during the pandemic. the risk will be if you do have to try and reimpose these measures, having lifted them, are people really going to listen or will people continue to make their own decisions? it to listen or will people continue to make their own decisions?- to listen or will people continue to make their own decisions? it will be interesting. — make their own decisions? it will be interesting, won't _ make their own decisions? it will be interesting, won't it? _ make their own decisions? it will be interesting, won't it? i— make their own decisions? it will be interesting, won't it? i don't- make their own decisions? it will be interesting, won't it? i don't know. interesting, won't it? i don't know what you read into the article on the front of the daily telegraph, which is our next three, faiza. covid cases will probably slump in winter, say scientists?— covid cases will probably slump in winter, say scientists? yes, this is an article that _ winter, say scientists? yes, this is an article that brings _ winter, say scientists? yes, this is an article that brings together - winter, say scientists? yes, this is an article that brings together a i an article that brings together a few models that are showing that we will reach _ few models that are showing that we will reach a _ few models that are showing that we will reach a peak and that numbers will reach a peak and that numbers will start— will reach a peak and that numbers will start to — will reach a peak and that numbers will start to fall in the next few weeks — will start to fall in the next few weeks 0t— will start to fall in the next few weeks. of course, we have had very hi-h weeks. of course, we have had very high levels — weeks. of course, we have had very high levels of covid cases compared to other— high levels of covid cases compared to other nations, so this will come as good _ to other nations, so this will come as good news. it is not clear if this is— as good news. it is not clear if this is a — as good news. it is not clear if this is a combination of vaccines or in fact— this is a combination of vaccines or in fact half— this is a combination of vaccines or in fact half term, the kids are not at school, — in fact half term, the kids are not at school, but that is causing a break— at school, but that is causing a break in — at school, but that is causing a break in the cases, but there is a difference — break in the cases, but there is a difference of opinion here, so we are having — difference of opinion here, so we are having paramedics, nhs staff come _ are having paramedics, nhs staff come out — are having paramedics, nhs staff come out, — are having paramedics, nhs staff come out, very clearly saying, we are in— come out, very clearly saying, we are in trouble, please move to a plan— are in trouble, please move to a plan b. — are in trouble, please move to a plan b, please ask people to wear masks. _ plan b, please ask people to wear masks. we — plan b, please ask people to wear masks, we don't want to get into situation — masks, we don't want to get into situation where we have a huge nhs winter chris on top of everything else, so— winter chris on top of everything else, so this is a bit of a... is the _ else, so this is a bit of a... is the risk— else, so this is a bit of a... is the risk worth it? boosterjabs should be _ the risk worth it? boosterjabs should be one part of the plan, but i am should be one part of the plan, but i am here _ should be one part of the plan, but i am here in— should be one part of the plan, but lam here in new should be one part of the plan, but i am here in new york and everybody is using _ i am here in new york and everybody is using ask— i am here in new york and everybody is using ask and using vaccine passports, _ is using ask and using vaccine passports, so it is intruding to see the uk _ passports, so it is intruding to see the uk take — passports, so it is intruding to see the uk take this approach —— wearing masks _ the uk take this approach —— wearing masks they— the uk take this approach —— wearing masks. they are going to have a problem — masks. they are going to have a problem if— masks. they are going to have a problem if these models turn out to be wrong _ problem if these models turn out to be wrong and people are good be very upset _ be wrong and people are good be very upset about seeing christmas cancelled. do upset about seeing christmas cancelled-— upset about seeing christmas cancelled. ~ ., ., cancelled. do you know what, mo? i am looking — cancelled. do you know what, mo? i am looking through _ cancelled. do you know what, mo? i am looking through these _ cancelled. do you know what, mo? i am looking through these papers . cancelled. do you know what, mo? i am looking through these papers as| am looking through these papers as faiza is talking and the nhs makes most of the front pages. this is a huge issue. and as we turn to the front page of the guardian, it is those concerns again, but this time from the maternity ward.— those concerns again, but this time from the maternity ward. yeah, and there is really _ from the maternity ward. yeah, and there is really conflicting _ there is really conflicting information, so i think it will be confusing for a lot of people who are just try to get the best advice and worked out what is the best, safest thing for them to do, so in the guardian, your hearing about the trinity wards being more at risk and perhaps unable to deliver the vital services they need to —— maternity wards. i have to say, for my own experience of the coming apparent during the pandemic, there is a lot of restriction still on maternity wards, with only one parent logged in at a time, which can be challenging, but i think it is understandable, but this contrasted with the telegraph piece, which is talking about cases going down, and this interesting idea about children's epidemic which may well fizzle out, i do think a lot of people will be scratching their heads to try to work out what they should be doing and what is going on with a view to the end of the year and dismiss, as faiza said. {lilia with a view to the end of the year and dismiss, as faiza said. ok, we are auoin and dismiss, as faiza said. ok, we are going to _ and dismiss, as faiza said. ok, we are going to go _ and dismiss, as faiza said. ok, we are going to go back _ and dismiss, as faiza said. ok, we are going to go back to _ and dismiss, as faiza said. ok, we are going to go back to the - and dismiss, as faiza said. ok, we| are going to go back to the budget, faiza, and stay with the front page of the guardian, added to smoke and mirrors. he mentioned this earlier. whether it is old money and new money in the budget, just take us to this story. money in the budget, 'ust take us to this sto . , , ., money in the budget, 'ust take us to thissto. , , ., this story. this is a story that comes out — this story. this is a story that comes out of _ this story. this is a story that comes out of an _ this story. this is a story that comes out of an interview- this story. this is a story that l comes out of an interview rishi sunak did, chancellors, the weekend before the budget, they will go to different newspapers give different interviews on tv, talking about what they are going to do, and he got called out on this point that the money he is announcing on the levelling up agenda, only 20% of it is new. so while he is talking with these big sums of money he is going to announce, actually, they've already been announced before. this is a huge problem. it is notjust rishi sunak the does this and it really undermines people's trust in politicians, because they're not really sure about how much money is being spent, how much overman is committing to its own pledges from the election —— how much government is. several other points made in this article as well, several criticism from the labour shadow chancellor as well, this new family centres, which sound a lot like the centres people remember where they were pushed out in the 2000 and were very well evaluated and did help a lot of families, but then were cut, thousands of the centres were cut between 2010 and now, and now it looks like rishi sunak is announcing some money to fund a similar thing, and so here we are going back and forth, just getting back to 2010 levels, even though the demands are much bigger now, we really do need to think much bigger in terms of what we are doing on the inequalities.— what we are doing on the ineaualities. a, , ,, ., ,, what we are doing on the ineaualities. , ,, .,~ inequalities. mo, rishi sunak has been described _ inequalities. mo, rishi sunak has been described as _ inequalities. mo, rishi sunak has been described as a _ inequalities. mo, rishi sunak has been described as a fiscally - been described as a fiscally conservative chancellor — is that what is needed right now? yes, there is money pledged before, dependent on what we see on wednesday, but will that attribute come to the four and is that what is needed?- will that attribute come to the four and is that what is needed? yeah, i think it will — and is that what is needed? yeah, i think it will come _ and is that what is needed? yeah, i think it will come to _ and is that what is needed? yeah, i think it will come to the _ and is that what is needed? yeah, i think it will come to the fore, - and is that what is needed? yeah, i think it will come to the fore, and l think it will come to the fore, and in some ways, yes, that is needed, because the government has had to borrow and spend a lot of money to deal with the pandemic, £400 billion orso deal with the pandemic, £400 billion or so supporting businesses, paying people's wages, and you do have to try and bring the economy back to some kind of fiscally responsible state, which i think the chancellor is trying to do. this government at this moment is not shy about taking a different approach to previous conservative macro ministers of so i think there is going to be more investment and more spending and public services because the government has cockily did that is what people want, but there is still a base of conserved mac and pc do want to go back to perhaps ellis activists less interventionist government —— has calculated that thatis government —— has calculated that that is what people want, but a base of conservative mps... the chancellor will also be speaking to them, trying to show them that he gets it and he is going to be responsible and perhaps notjust continue borrowing much more, which ultimately has to be paid back, and you just end up putting that on future generations, which brings into question the fairness of it, the respect for an audience is and you want to try and walk this political tightrope to try and appease all of them. let's see if he can do it. ~ �* ., ., ., ., can do it. we're going to and on the .ae. can do it. we're going to and on the -a~e of can do it. we're going to and on the page of the — can do it. we're going to and on the page of the sun _ can do it. we're going to and on the page of the sun and _ can do it. we're going to and on the page of the sun and the _ can do it. we're going to and on the page of the sun and the queen's - page of the sun and the queen's events calendar is being watched very closely, faiza. i events calendar is being watched very closely, faiza.— events calendar is being watched very closely, faiza. i think people are really worried _ very closely, faiza. i think people are really worried about - very closely, faiza. i think people are really worried about the - very closely, faiza. i think people i are really worried about the queen, of course _ are really worried about the queen, of course. she has been our queen for a very— of course. she has been our queen for a very long time, and certain hospital— for a very long time, and certain hospital visits, cancellations of events, — hospital visits, cancellations of events, it _ hospital visits, cancellations of events, it is making people very worried, — events, it is making people very worried, and so people will be watching — worried, and so people will be watching this very closely, not just in the _ watching this very closely, not just in the uk _ watching this very closely, not just in the uk for some my colleagues in the us— in the uk for some my colleagues in the us are _ in the uk for some my colleagues in the us are asking because only about the us are asking because only about the happen— the us are asking because only about the happen with the queen and what happened _ the happen with the queen and what happened afterwards? this is a really— happened afterwards? this is a really big — happened afterwards? this is a really big event for us and something for us to think about what happens _ something for us to think about what ha ens. ~ ., , something for us to think about what ha ens. a, , x' f something for us to think about what hauens. , i happens. 0k, mo, very quickly? i think people _ happens. 0k, mo, very quickly? i think people will _ happens. 0k, mo, very quickly? i think people will surly _ happens. 0k, mo, very quickly? i think people will surly be - happens. 0k, mo, very quickly? i| think people will surly be worried, have simply with her as well. given her age and what her official duties have been and the amount of service she is given throughout her entire life, and i think they will look to the palace for some kind of straightforward responses beyond what we heard earlier this week about whether she was in hospital were not. that does not really help dampen down speculation or concern, so certainly my thoughts are with her. ~ ., , , ., ., so certainly my thoughts are with her. a, , , ., ., ,, ., her. 0k, mo hussein, faiza shaheen, thank ou her. ok, mo hussein, faiza shaheen, thank you for— her. 0k, mo hussein, faiza shaheen, thank you for your _ her. 0k, mo hussein, faiza shaheen, thank you for your time _ her. 0k, mo hussein, faiza shaheen, thank you for your time for _ thank you for your time for heavy cracking week ahead of you and thank you your time listening to us. to stay with us on bbc news, our media editor amol rajan has been speaking to the uk information commissioner elizabeth dunham. that's coming up next. —— had a cracking week ahead.

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