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but the opposition labour party call it a ”smokescreen”. now on bbc news it's time for dateline london. hello and welcome to the programme which brings together leading uk commentators with foreign correspondence who rate for the dateline london. the british led the world in vaccination, but is now leading you look with the highest rate of covid. white and the climate battle net zero is too high and 12 angry men and women feel being polite. join us, we have the editor at large for us magazine the nation, completing a documentary about the greek someone of heat and fire. editorial team for the new york times and the british author and calmest, lover to see you all. only of pressure on the health service pressure is unsustainable well boris johnson put and more restrictions, a spike like the one you so and january is increasingly unlikely but of the rate of infection grows early intervention will reduce the need for more disruptive and longer lasting measures. sustainable means death and things in different places, in cornwall hospital declared a critical incident, ambulance weights of up to 12 hours, 100 patients seeking treatment and 44 people hospitalised with covid any hospital with a0 beds. aa people hospitalised with covid any hospital with a0 beds. we seem to be at a moment of decision for the government. it says it is sticking with plan a but when you compare us to other nations how comfortable should we be, should we be worried? i do comfortable should we be, should we be worried? ., ., ~' comfortable should we be, should we be worried? ., ., ~ , be worried? i do not think there is an cause be worried? i do not think there is any cause for— be worried? i do not think there is any cause for comfort _ be worried? i do not think there is any cause for comfort at _ be worried? i do not think there is any cause for comfort at all - any cause for comfort at all compared to the rest of europe. infections here are triple combined of that of germany, france, italy and spain so there's no reason for complacency even though there was a very good and speedy vaccine roll—out at the beginning of the year. we are and to the fall and a lot of the shots might be waning, we are seeing death at about 100 or more a day. putting that together we are talking about nearly 1000 a week and if you were saying that about any other disease will be talking about a crisis and yet some people seem to have concluded this is an acceptable level and be adjusted to learn to live with the coronavirus which is true and a scientific sense but there are ways to minimise its impact and now the government which prides itself on saying it goes with the science, so many scientists are saying we need some kind of new measures on reimposition of some fairly low impact measures to help mitigate what is happening and keep the infections from spreading. the government seems to be putting all its eggs in the vaccination basket and the vaccine definitely is a miracle of science, maybe even from god some people might say but it is our new to keep it inflated and i am not sure the government is doing that. ~ , ., , , ., that. we pride ourselves on the success of— that. we pride ourselves on the success of the _ that. we pride ourselves on the success of the vaccination - that. we pride ourselves on the success of the vaccination and l that. we pride ourselves on the i success of the vaccination and the reach, although it has had his plateau because there are some people who want to not get vaccinated but the booster programme which is the third jab, the impression is that is not going quite so well, what is the problem? i am not sure, i quite so well, what is the problem? iam not sure, i havejust quite so well, what is the problem? i am not sure, i havejust been i am not sure, i have just been offered — i am not sure, i have just been offered my— i am not sure, i have just been offered my booster and i think the roll-out _ offered my booster and i think the roll—out was run mostly by the nhs and gp_ roll—out was run mostly by the nhs and gp surgeries and i do not know what _ and gp surgeries and i do not know what has _ and gp surgeries and i do not know what has happened there, i have been called _ what has happened there, i have been called by— what has happened there, i have been called by my gp, there is a falling off of— called by my gp, there is a falling off of take—up i think, people have become _ off of take—up i think, people have become complacent and there is a weird _ become complacent and there is a weird kind — become complacent and there is a weird kind of split in the same as all related — weird kind of split in the same as all related to a split over many issues, — all related to a split over many issues, on _ all related to a split over many issues, on the one hand a loss of trust _ issues, on the one hand a loss of trust and — issues, on the one hand a loss of trust and the government which has changed _ trust and the government which has changed tack many times during the pandemic, _ changed tack many times during the pandemic, we had the prime minister saying _ pandemic, we had the prime minister saying let _ pandemic, we had the prime minister saying let the bodies pile up which has been very complacent and at odds with itself— has been very complacent and at odds with itself about how to proceed and that as _ with itself about how to proceed and that as a _ with itself about how to proceed and that as a cavalier defiance like i am 0k. — that as a cavalier defiance like i am 0k. it — that as a cavalier defiance like i am 0k, it will not be a problem so if you _ am 0k, it will not be a problem so if you take — am 0k, it will not be a problem so if you take the tube in london fewer than half— if you take the tube in london fewer than half the people are reading a face covering even though when you walk into _ face covering even though when you walk into the tube station there is an announcement saying you must wear an announcement saying you must wear a face _ an announcement saying you must wear a face covering. this feeling of british— a face covering. this feeling of british people completely ignoring the rules is quite odd and new to me _ the rules is quite odd and new to me. ., ., , . me. you have experienced the contrast of— me. you have experienced the contrast of the _ me. you have experienced the contrast of the enforcement i me. you have experienced thej contrast of the enforcement of me. you have experienced the - contrast of the enforcement of the rosia and in france. —— the rules here and in france. we rosia and in france. -- the rules here and in france.— rosia and in france. -- the rules here and in france. we “ust got back from france — here and in france. we “ust got back from france and h here and in france. we “ust got back from france and not _ here and in france. we just got back from france and not one _ here and in france. we just got back from france and not one restaurantl from france and not one restaurant or metro— from france and not one restaurant or rnetro train — from france and not one restaurant or metro train did _ from france and not one restaurant or metro train did we _ from france and not one restaurant or metro train did we see _ from france and not one restaurant or metro train did we see an - or metro train did we see an unmasked _ or metro train did we see an unmasked person, - or metro train did we see an unmasked person, imaginel or metro train did we see an - unmasked person, imagine that there was one _ unmasked person, imagine that there was one moment _ unmasked person, imagine that there was one moment when _ unmasked person, imagine that there was one moment when something - unmasked person, imagine that therei was one moment when something was taking _ was one moment when something was taking the _ was one moment when something was taking the mask— was one moment when something was taking the mask off— was one moment when something was taking the mask off and _ was one moment when something was taking the mask off and be _ was one moment when something was taking the mask off and be heard - was one moment when something was taking the mask off and be heard a - taking the mask off and be heard a security— taking the mask off and be heard a security real — taking the mask off and be heard a security real who _ taking the mask off and be heard a security real who have _ taking the mask off and be heard a security real who have saying - taking the mask off and be heard a security real who have saying 135. security real who have saying 135 year find — security real who have saying 135 year find a — security real who have saying 135 year find a few— security real who have saying 135 year find a few do— security real who have saying 135 year find a few do that. - security real who have saying 135 year find a few do that. there i security real who have saying 135- year find a few do that. there seems to be _ year find a few do that. there seems to be a _ year find a few do that. there seems to be a total— year find a few do that. there seems to be a total understanding - year find a few do that. there seems to be a total understanding that - to be a total understanding that this is— to be a total understanding that this is about _ to be a total understanding that this is about society— to be a total understanding that this is about society and - to be a total understanding that this is about society and we - to be a total understanding thatl this is about society and we each other— this is about society and we each other and — this is about society and we each other and ourselves _ this is about society and we each other and ourselves and - this is about society and we each other and ourselves and i- this is about society and we each other and ourselves and i find i this is about society and we each other and ourselves and i find it, this is about society and we each. other and ourselves and i find it, i had arrived — other and ourselves and i find it, i had arrived and _ other and ourselves and i find it, i had arrived and a _ other and ourselves and i find it, i had arrived and a much _ other and ourselves and i find it, i had arrived and a much more - had arrived and a much more civilised _ had arrived and a much more civilised place _ had arrived and a much more civilised place for— had arrived and a much more civilised place for people - had arrived and a much more civilised place for people are| civilised place for people are taking — civilised place for people are taking care _ civilised place for people are taking care of— civilised place for people are taking care of each - civilised place for people are taking care of each other. civilised place for people are| taking care of each other and civilised place for people are - taking care of each other and here i do not _ taking care of each other and here i do not necessarily— taking care of each other and here i do not necessarily blame _ taking care of each other and here i do not necessarily blame the - taking care of each other and here i do not necessarily blame the publicj do not necessarily blame the public though— do not necessarily blame the public though i_ do not necessarily blame the public though i think— do not necessarily blame the public though i think that _ do not necessarily blame the public though i think that our— do not necessarily blame the public though i think that our some - do not necessarily blame the publicl though i think that our some people who are _ though i think that our some people who are completely— though i think that our some people who are completely immune - though i think that our some people who are completely immune to - who are completely immune to information— who are completely immune to information but— who are completely immune to information but the _ who are completely immune to information but the mixed - who are completely immune to - information but the mixed messaging and i information but the mixed messaging and i trying _ information but the mixed messaging and i trying very— information but the mixed messaging and i trying very hard _ information but the mixed messaging and i trying very hard because - information but the mixed messaging and i trying very hard because we - and i trying very hard because we have _ and i trying very hard because we have beeri— and i trying very hard because we have been instructed _ and i trying very hard because we have been instructed to - and i trying very hard because we have been instructed to try- and i trying very hard because we have been instructed to try and l have been instructed to try and understand _ have been instructed to try and understand why— have been instructed to try and understand why the _ have been instructed to try andl understand why the government have been instructed to try and - understand why the government as doing _ understand why the government as doing this — understand why the government as doing this so — understand why the government as doing this so i _ understand why the government as doing this so i think— understand why the government as doing this so i think it _ understand why the government as doing this so i think it is _ understand why the government as doing this so i think it is what - doing this so i think it is what maria — doing this so i think it is what maria said. _ doing this so i think it is what maria said, not— doing this so i think it is what maria said, not knowing - doing this so i think it is whatl maria said, not knowing which doing this so i think it is what - maria said, not knowing which way to really _ maria said, not knowing which way to really come _ maria said, not knowing which way to really come down _ maria said, not knowing which way to really come down on. _ maria said, not knowing which way to really come down on. they _ maria said, not knowing which way to really come down on. they are - maria said, not knowing which way to| really come down on. they are caught between _ really come down on. they are caught between social— really come down on. they are caught between social responsibility - really come down on. they are caught between social responsibility which i between social responsibility which is their— between social responsibility which is theirjob — between social responsibility which is theirjob and _ between social responsibility which is theirjob and the _ between social responsibility which is theirjob and the capitalism - between social responsibility which is theirjob and the capitalism to i is theirjob and the capitalism to which _ is theirjob and the capitalism to which they— is theirjob and the capitalism to which they are _ is theirjob and the capitalism to which they are committed - is theirjob and the capitalism to which they are committed whichj is theirjob and the capitalism to - which they are committed which means business _ which they are committed which means business and _ which they are committed which means business and profit _ which they are committed which means business and profit and _ which they are committed which means business and profit and nothing - which they are committed which means business and profit and nothing and - business and profit and nothing and they are _ business and profit and nothing and they are torn — business and profit and nothing and they are torn between _ business and profit and nothing and they are torn between these. - business and profit and nothing and they are torn between these. the . they are torn between these. the health they are torn between these. health secretary said it would they are torn between these.- health secretary said it would be a good thing as conservative mps wore masks because it would serve a signal that we are still and a pandemic and whether you think masks and a magic solution or not it is symbolic. the leader of the house of commons saying we do not need to wear masks because we don't know each other and our friends. wear masks because we don't know each other and ourfriends. jacob each other and our friends. jacob rees-m099. _ each other and our friends. jacob rees-m099. as _ each other and our friends. jacob rees-mogg, as they _ each other and our friends. jacob rees-mogg, as they don't - each other and our friends. jacob rees—mogg, as they don't do it, how will the _ rees—mogg, as they don't do it, how will the public— rees—mogg, as they don't do it, how will the public follow. _ rees—mogg, as they don't do it, how will the public follow. my— rees—mogg, as they don't do it, how will the public follow. my grandson . will the public follow. my grandson who is _ will the public follow. my grandson who is ten — will the public follow. my grandson who is ten went _ will the public follow. my grandson who is ten went on _ will the public follow. my grandson who is ten went on a _ will the public follow. my grandson who is ten went on a trip _ will the public follow. my grandson who is ten went on a trip and - will the public follow. my grandson who is ten went on a trip and the l who is ten went on a trip and the kids, _ who is ten went on a trip and the kids. 11_ who is ten went on a trip and the kids. it of— who is ten went on a trip and the kids, 11 of them _ who is ten went on a trip and the kids, 11 of them and _ who is ten went on a trip and the kids, 11 of them and the - who is ten went on a trip and the kids, 11 of them and the teachers came _ kids, 11 of them and the teachers came back— kids, 11 of them and the teachers came back with _ kids, 11 of them and the teachers came back with covid _ kids, 11 of them and the teachers came back with covid because i kids, 11 of them and the teachers. came back with covid because they were in— came back with covid because they were in a _ came back with covid because they were in a city— came back with covid because they were in a city nobody— came back with covid because they were in a city nobody taking - came back with covid because they were in a city nobody taking care. i do not _ were in a city nobody taking care. i do not think— were in a city nobody taking care. i do not think we _ were in a city nobody taking care. i do not think we should _ were in a city nobody taking care. i do not think we should be allowingj do not think we should be allowing our citizens — do not think we should be allowing our citizens to _ do not think we should be allowing our citizens to be _ do not think we should be allowing our citizens to be opened - do not think we should be allowing our citizens to be opened up - do not think we should be allowing our citizens to be opened up to - do not think we should be allowing. our citizens to be opened up to such risk. , ., , . , ., risk. there is a difficulty here, on the one hand _ risk. there is a difficulty here, on the one hand the _ risk. there is a difficulty here, on the one hand the set _ risk. there is a difficulty here, on the one hand the set of _ risk. there is a difficulty here, on | the one hand the set of measures risk. there is a difficulty here, on i the one hand the set of measures of mandated facemasks, social distancing, working from home, they have been doing that in scotland at the figures are coming down, doing it and wales at the figures are going up, this is not a magic solution. i going up, this is not a magic solution. ., ., going up, this is not a magic solution-— solution. i had a look at the fi . ures solution. i had a look at the figures from _ solution. i had a look at the figures from wales - solution. i had a look at the figures from wales and - solution. i had a look at the - figures from wales and scotland and i do figures from wales and scotland and i do not _ figures from wales and scotland and i do not affect is that clear, the figures — i do not affect is that clear, the figures have been going up for some time and _ figures have been going up for some time and wales. there are sensible things— time and wales. there are sensible things we _ time and wales. there are sensible things we can do, right is not so difficult — things we can do, right is not so difficult to — things we can do, right is not so difficult to bear a mask unless you really _ difficult to bear a mask unless you really cannot and an exempt and i have _ really cannot and an exempt and i have a _ really cannot and an exempt and i have a feeling people have so much lost faith _ have a feeling people have so much lost faith that even death mask wearing — lost faith that even death mask wearing was mandated and most are the spot— wearing was mandated and most are the spot fines people will not do it. the spot fines people will not do it you _ the spot fines people will not do it. you look at crowded places in london — it. you look at crowded places in london and _ it. you look at crowded places in london and you say i am willing a maskr _ london and you say i am willing a mask, why— london and you say i am willing a mask, why are you not but you do not want to _ mask, why are you not but you do not want to say— mask, why are you not but you do not want to say anything because that feels _ want to say anything because that feels awkward and bossy and more people _ feels awkward and bossy and more people are — feels awkward and bossy and more people are not winning a mask and wearing _ people are not winning a mask and wearing a — people are not winning a mask and wearing a mask so becomes so confusing — wearing a mask so becomes so confusing that i think we have lost the blot _ confusing that i think we have lost the blot l— confusing that i think we have lost the clot. ~' ., the plot. i think the government has made such a — the plot. i think the government has made such a big _ the plot. i think the government has made such a big deal _ the plot. i think the government has made such a big deal of _ the plot. i think the government has made such a big deal of the - the plot. i think the government has made such a big deal of the vaccine | made such a big deal of the vaccine and i do not want to underplay them, they are incredible important but they are incredible important but they are incredible important but they are not the be all and end all and this plan b we are talking about which she referred to, this is not some draconian oppressive system it is saying that masks might be mandated but they encourage you to work from home, encourage subtle distancing, not putting in place anything very odourless and at as low impact and by the government refrains from doing that is a mr little is a mystery.— little is a mystery. next week governments _ little is a mystery. next week governments around - little is a mystery. next week governments around the - little is a mystery. next week| governments around the world little is a mystery. next week- governments around the world arrive for cop26. borisjohnson has alleged plans for the uk to become digital by 2050, why is it not long enough. —— become zero x 2050. let by 2050, why is it not long enough. -- become zero x 2050.— -- become zero x 2050. let zero means that — -- become zero x 2050. let zero means that any _ -- become zero x 2050. let zero means that any greenhouse - -- become zero x 2050. let zero | means that any greenhouse gases -- become zero x 2050. let zero - means that any greenhouse gases we emit are offset equally by greenhouse gas sinks like forests or peter boggs or technological means which we are beginning to have some of so that means the whole planet has to reach zero by 2050 in order to at least slow climate change so thatis to at least slow climate change so that is a huge ask but it is crucial. in terms of the uk and our own government led zero let's zero which britain is the first developed country to enshrine a target and law by 2050 there has been a lot of criticism of this plan, mainly saying it does not go far enough. it is a great thing they have done this but the main criticism as it does not include a sense that we actually are going to have to change the way we behave permanently but we cannot longer rely on so much energy, we have to consume less. that is not only plan at all, is and the plan is changing from gas to heat pumps, domestic heating accounts for about one third of greenhouse gas emissions so that is a good thing but that has been a cassette does not go far enough and that is not enough of a subsidy and it is not organised and there is also a question and we talking about a real net zero, where our inputs and also net zero, where our inputs and also net zero, where our inputs and also net zero will be notjust producing less building material here and importing them from elsewhere. effect of increasing the amount of carbon elsewhere. this effect of increasing the amount of carbon elsewhere.— effect of increasing the amount of carbon elsewhere. this has to be a clobal carbon elsewhere. this has to be a global cooperation. _ carbon elsewhere. this has to be a global cooperation. i— carbon elsewhere. this has to be a global cooperation. i want - carbon elsewhere. this has to be a global cooperation. i want to - carbon elsewhere. this has to be a global cooperation. i want to ask. global cooperation. i want to ask about what _ global cooperation. i want to ask about what you _ global cooperation. i want to ask about what you have _ global cooperation. i want to ask about what you have seen - global cooperation. i want to ask about what you have seen this i global cooperation. i want to ask- about what you have seen this summer and have come to the conclusion at the what you have been doing and what happened in greece. fine the what you have been doing and what happened in greece. one thing that became — what happened in greece. one thing that became clear— what happened in greece. one thing that became clear reporting - what happened in greece. one thing that became clear reporting on - what happened in greece. one thing that became clear reporting on the l that became clear reporting on the fires in greece is already the climate crisis is hitting very hard all over the world and local places and the response, the action is local. when you talk to people in greece they do not go 08 as the climate crisis, they say the government led a stone, the fire department wasn't competent, so there is a local response that comes before an understanding of a global situation sweaters the old slogan think globally and act locally. i am think globally and act locally. i am to listed and _ think globally and act locally. i am to listed and the _ think globally and act locally. i am to listed and the point _ think globally and act locally. i am to listed and the point because this is a problem forjoe biden, he will come to glasgow and sign up to what is agreed largely and i think he is on the side of those who want to deal next week by then he will go back to people who remain sceptical about climate change even as they watched parts of their world evaporate around them and flame. california my home statement through a brutal— california my home statement through a brutal summer and we california my home statement through a brutal summerand we had california my home statement through a brutal summer and we had another year of— a brutal summer and we had another year of a _ a brutal summer and we had another year of a single fire burning nearly 1 million— year of a single fire burning nearly 1 million acres, that is phenomenal, the amount— 1 million acres, that is phenomenal, the amount of damage and destruction and then— the amount of damage and destruction and then fires only at the summer and then fires only at the summer and undergone and into canada so large _ and undergone and into canada so large they— and undergone and into canada so large they created their own weather system _ large they created their own weather system which perhaps spawned other files through lightning so it is an incredible — files through lightning so it is an incredible problem hitting the us and affecting millions of people. the biden administration has talked a good _ the biden administration has talked a good talk about climate change, he is often _ a good talk about climate change, he is often saying what an important priority— is often saying what an important priority it — is often saying what an important priority it is for not just the us but the — priority it is for not just the us but the world to tackle and in glasgow— but the world to tackle and in glasgow he will continue to talk the -ood glasgow he will continue to talk the good talic _ glasgow he will continue to talk the good talk. it is at home where lawmakers are holding up the agenda but it will— lawmakers are holding up the agenda but it will come down to the crunch. a democratic— but it will come down to the crunch. a democratic senator, the republicans are uniformly against it but a _ republicans are uniformly against it but a democratic senator from west virginia _ but a democratic senator from west virginia who has gotten rich from coal is— virginia who has gotten rich from coal is holding up the idea of converting more to clean energy and so that— converting more to clean energy and so that is— converting more to clean energy and so that is going to be a problem. when _ so that is going to be a problem. when it— so that is going to be a problem. when it comes to public support in the us— when it comes to public support in the us that have been denials of climate — the us that have been denials of climate change, a new paul shows 75% of people _ climate change, a new paul shows 75% of people agree that global warming is a problem, only 12% deny it is 'ust is a problem, only 12% deny it is just that — is a problem, only 12% deny it is just that the lawmakers have not caught _ just that the lawmakers have not caught up— just that the lawmakers have not caught up with public opinion. andy 12% are quite _ caught up with public opinion. andy 12% are quite noisy. _ caught up with public opinion. andy 12% are quite noisy. the _ caught up with public opinion. if 12% are quite noisy. the point about coal and the political influence, we see in these leaked reports from india do not talk about living so fast away from coal but a country of the size of india couldn't could not eliminate on a comfortable timescale. eliminate on a comfortable timescale-— eliminate on a comfortable timescale. . ., ., ,, ., timescale. we are talking about nations deeply _ timescale. we are talking about nations deeply unequal- timescale. we are talking about nations deeply unequal in - timescale. we are talking aboutj nations deeply unequal in terms timescale. we are talking about i nations deeply unequal in terms of influence — nations deeply unequal in terms of influence. china _ nations deeply unequal in terms of influence. china could _ nations deeply unequal in terms of influence. china could do - nations deeply unequal in terms of influence. china could do more - influence. china could do more because — influence. china could do more because it _ influence. china could do more because it is _ influence. china could do more because it is not _ influence. china could do more because it is not a _ influence. china could do more because it is not a democracy, | influence. china could do more - because it is not a democracy, this is the _ because it is not a democracy, this is the sad — because it is not a democracy, this is the sad news. _ because it is not a democracy, this is the sad news. i— because it is not a democracy, this is the sad news. i was— because it is not a democracy, this is the sad news. i was at— because it is not a democracy, this is the sad news. i was at the - because it is not a democracy, this is the sad news. i was at the rio i because it is not a democracy, thisi is the sad news. i was at the rio de janeiro _ is the sad news. i was at the rio de janeiro summit— is the sad news. i was at the rio de janeiro summit all— is the sad news. i was at the rio de janeiro summit all those _ is the sad news. i was at the rio de janeiro summit all those years - is the sad news. i was at the rio de janeiro summit all those years agol janeiro summit all those years ago and one _ janeiro summit all those years ago and one of— janeiro summit all those years ago and one of the _ janeiro summit all those years ago and one of the most— janeiro summit all those years ago and one of the most interesting. and one of the most interesting moments — and one of the most interesting moments was _ and one of the most interesting moments was an _ and one of the most interesting moments was an activist - and one of the most interesting moments was an activist said i and one of the most interesting i moments was an activist said here we are now— moments was an activist said here we are now grand— moments was an activist said here we are now grand place _ moments was an activist said here we are now grand place talking _ moments was an activist said here we are now grand place talking like i moments was an activist said here we are now grand place talking like we i are now grand place talking like we are now grand place talking like we are and _ are now grand place talking like we are and they— are now grand place talking like we are and they are _ are now grand place talking like we are and they are it _ are now grand place talking like we are and they are it is _ are now grand place talking like we are and they are it is genocide i are now grand place talking like we are and they are it is genocide of. are and they are it is genocide of trees— are and they are it is genocide of trees in— are and they are it is genocide of trees in brazil. _ are and they are it is genocide of trees in brazil. and _ are and they are it is genocide of trees in brazil. and nobody- are and they are it is genocide of trees in brazil. and nobody is- trees in brazil. and nobody is stopping _ trees in brazil. and nobody is stopping it _ trees in brazil. and nobody is stopping it and _ trees in brazil. and nobody is stopping it and that - trees in brazil. and nobody is stopping it and that has i trees in brazil. and nobody is stopping it and that has not. stopping it and that has not changed _ stopping it and that has not changed the _ stopping it and that has not changed. the genocide - stopping it and that has not changed. the genocide of. stopping it and that has not- changed. the genocide of trees and is an interesting _ changed. the genocide of trees and is an interesting paper— changed. the genocide of trees and is an interesting paper i _ changed. the genocide of trees and is an interesting paper i read we - is an interesting paper i read we cannot_ is an interesting paper i read we cannot plant _ is an interesting paper i read we cannot plant enough _ is an interesting paper i read we cannot plant enough trees - is an interesting paper i read we cannot plant enough trees to - is an interesting paper i read we i cannot plant enough trees to offset even the _ cannot plant enough trees to offset even the tiny— cannot plant enough trees to offset even the tiny amount _ cannot plant enough trees to offset even the tiny amount we _ cannot plant enough trees to offset even the tiny amount we think- cannot plant enough trees to offset even the tiny amount we think we i cannot plant enough trees to offset. even the tiny amount we think we can and we _ even the tiny amount we think we can and we wilt— even the tiny amount we think we can and we will never _ even the tiny amount we think we can and we will never have _ even the tiny amount we think we can and we will never have that _ even the tiny amount we think we can and we will never have that and - even the tiny amount we think we can and we will never have that and my. and we will never have that and my other— and we will never have that and my other big _ and we will never have that and my other big anxiety _ and we will never have that and my other big anxiety as _ and we will never have that and my other big anxiety as this _ and we will never have that and my other big anxiety as this big - and we will never have that and my other big anxiety as this big talk. other big anxiety as this big talk of boris — other big anxiety as this big talk of borisjohnson _ other big anxiety as this big talk of boris johnson is _ other big anxiety as this big talk of boris johnson is all _ other big anxiety as this big talk of boris johnson is all about - other big anxiety as this big talk. of boris johnson is all about future technology, — of boris johnson is all about future technology, it _ of boris johnson is all about future technology, it will— of boris johnson is all about future technology, it will all— of boris johnson is all about future technology, it will all be _ of boris johnson is all about future technology, it will all be solved . of boris johnson is all about future technology, it will all be solved by| technology, it will all be solved by entrepreneurs— technology, it will all be solved by entrepreneurs and _ technology, it will all be solved by entrepreneurs and the _ technology, it will all be solved by entrepreneurs and the solutions . technology, it will all be solved by. entrepreneurs and the solutions will fall entrepreneurs and the solutions will fell upon— entrepreneurs and the solutions will fell upon us — entrepreneurs and the solutions will fall upon us. stop— entrepreneurs and the solutions will fall upon us. stop and _ entrepreneurs and the solutions will fall upon us. stop and think, - entrepreneurs and the solutions will fall upon us. stop and think, we - entrepreneurs and the solutions will fall upon us. stop and think, we are| fall upon us. stop and think, we are realty— fall upon us. stop and think, we are realty how— fall upon us. stop and think, we are really now drifting _ fall upon us. stop and think, we are really now drifting towards - fall upon us. stop and think, we are really now drifting towards the - fall upon us. stop and think, we are really now drifting towards the end i really now drifting towards the end of the _ really now drifting towards the end of the planet _ really now drifting towards the end of the planet. one _ really now drifting towards the end of the planet. one hopes - really now drifting towards the end of the planet. one hopes he is - really now drifting towards the end i of the planet. one hopes he is right but he _ of the planet. one hopes he is right but he is _ of the planet. one hopes he is right but he is not — of the planet. one hopes he is right but he is not entirely— of the planet. one hopes he is right but he is not entirely realistic. - but he is not entirely realistic. you _ but he is not entirely realistic. you wilt— but he is not entirely realistic. you will talk— but he is not entirely realistic. you will talk more _ but he is not entirely realistic. you will talk more about - but he is not entirely realistic. you will talk more about this i but he is not entirely realistic. - you will talk more about this next week as the summit begins. did brussels witness a change of the garden this week? angela merkel attended herfinal garden this week? angela merkel attended her final meeting, garden this week? angela merkel attended herfinal meeting, 16 years of fun chancellery is ending with an almighty bastock after polish judges decided the countries most attrition trumps european law. a dozen countries lined up to oppose their defiance. ridiculous said the eu leader. the payments that of hungary declared polish rh. —— and the prime minister of hungary declared the polish rh. —— are right. minister of hungary declared the polish rh. -- are right.- minister of hungary declared the polish rh. -- are right. these are 27 nations — polish rh. -- are right. these are 27 nations trying _ polish rh. -- are right. these are 27 nations trying to _ polish rh. -- are right. these are 27 nations trying to make - polish rh. -- are right. these are 27 nations trying to make it - polish rh. -- are right. these are 27 nations trying to make it work. polish rh. -- are right. these are| 27 nations trying to make it work is never— 27 nations trying to make it work is never easy— 27 nations trying to make it work is never easy but _ 27 nations trying to make it work is never easy but i_ 27 nations trying to make it work is never easy but i do— 27 nations trying to make it work is never easy but i do not— 27 nations trying to make it work is never easy but i do not give - 27 nations trying to make it work is never easy but i do not give up- 27 nations trying to make it work is never easy but i do not give up on| never easy but i do not give up on good _ never easy but i do not give up on good liberat— never easy but i do not give up on good liberal values. _ never easy but i do not give up on good liberal values. look- never easy but i do not give up on good liberal values. look at - never easy but i do not give up on. good liberal values. look at ireland and abortion, — good liberal values. look at ireland and abortion, for— good liberal values. look at ireland and abortion, for the _ good liberal values. look at ireland and abortion, for the longest - good liberal values. look at ireland and abortion, for the longest time i and abortion, for the longest time the irish— and abortion, for the longest time the irish tew— and abortion, for the longest time the irish law was _ and abortion, for the longest time the irish law was actually - and abortion, for the longest time the irish law was actually a - and abortion, for the longest time the irish law was actually a directi the irish law was actually a direct repudiation — the irish law was actually a direct repudiation of _ the irish law was actually a direct repudiation of what _ the irish law was actually a direct repudiation of what all _ the irish law was actually a direct repudiation of what all the - the irish law was actually a direct repudiation of what all the otheri the irish law was actually a direct. repudiation of what all the other eu countries _ repudiation of what all the other eu countries most _ repudiation of what all the other eu countries most of _ repudiation of what all the other eu countries most of them _ repudiation of what all the other eu countries most of them not - repudiation of what all the other eu countries most of them not all - repudiation of what all the other eu countries most of them not all of i countries most of them not all of them _ countries most of them not all of them took— countries most of them not all of them look what _ countries most of them not all of them look what happened - countries most of them not all of them look what happened next, i countries most of them not all of i them look what happened next, the liberai— them look what happened next, the liberal people — them look what happened next, the liberal people pushed _ them look what happened next, the liberal people pushed the _ them look what happened next, the liberal people pushed the liberal. liberal people pushed the liberal law that — liberal people pushed the liberal law that was _ liberal people pushed the liberal law that was absolutely - liberal people pushed the liberal law that was absolutely needed i liberal people pushed the liberal. law that was absolutely needed and sow _ law that was absolutely needed and so... . , ,., law that was absolutely needed and so... . , law that was absolutely needed and so... that is the point it came from the nation — so... that is the point it came from the nation state, _ so... that is the point it came from the nation state, not _ so... that is the point it came from the nation state, not brussels - the nation state, not brussels saying this is not european. the ec] is a very important _ saying this is not european. the ec] is a very important institution - is a very important institution which — is a very important institution which is — is a very important institution which is why— is a very important institution which is why it _ is a very important institution which is why it is _ is a very important institution which is why it is resented . is a very important institution - which is why it is resented because people _ which is why it is resented because people do— which is why it is resented because people do not— which is why it is resented because people do not like _ which is why it is resented because people do not like its— which is why it is resented because people do not like itsjudgment- which is why it is resented because| people do not like itsjudgment and often _ people do not like itsjudgment and often they— people do not like itsjudgment and often they are — people do not like itsjudgment and often they are based _ people do not like itsjudgment and often they are based on _ people do not like itsjudgment and often they are based on things - people do not like itsjudgment and often they are based on things that| often they are based on things that are above _ often they are based on things that are above nations. _ often they are based on things that are above nations. one _ often they are based on things that are above nations. one of- often they are based on things that are above nations. one of the - often they are based on things that i are above nations. one of the things that needs _ are above nations. one of the things that needs to — are above nations. one of the things that needs to be _ are above nations. one of the things that needs to be remembered - are above nations. one of the things that needs to be remembered as - are above nations. one of the things. that needs to be remembered as there is a younger— that needs to be remembered as there is a younger population _ that needs to be remembered as there is a younger population in _ that needs to be remembered as there is a younger population in poland - is a younger population in poland and we _ is a younger population in poland and we ntet— is a younger population in poland and we met some _ is a younger population in poland and we met some polish - is a younger population in poland and we met some polish peoplel is a younger population in poland i and we met some polish people and flans and we met some polish people and fians who _ and we met some polish people and fians who live — and we met some polish people and flans who live in _ and we met some polish people and flans who live in france _ and we met some polish people and flans who live in france although - flans who live in france although the are _ flans who live in france although the are earning _ flans who live in france although the are earning less— flans who live in france although the are earning less because - flans who live in france although the are earning less because thej the are earning less because the polish _ the are earning less because the polish economy— the are earning less because the polish economy is _ the are earning less because the polish economy is successful - the are earning less because the polish economy is successful ati the are earning less because the i polish economy is successful at the moment _ polish economy is successful at the moment. because _ polish economy is successful at the moment. because here _ polish economy is successful at the moment. because here we - polish economy is successful at the moment. because here we have . polish economy is successful at the i moment. because here we have rights they said _ moment. because here we have rights they said and — moment. because here we have rights they said and we _ moment. because here we have rights they said. and we like _ moment. because here we have rights they said. and we like having - moment. because here we have rights they said. and we like having rights. they said. and we like having rights so the _ they said. and we like having rights so the young — they said. and we like having rights so the young witt— they said. and we like having rights so the young will change _ they said. and we like having rights so the young will change things. . they said. and we like having rights so the young will change things. do so the young will change things. d: not be so the young will change things. not be too pessimistic. michel barnier who people will regard as a good european said that france must regain edge legal sovereignty and not be subject to no longer to the judgment of the european court of justice. is there now a growing consensus that actually the european authority has gone a bit too far even and member countries that are at the heart of europe. i even and member countries that are at the heart of europe.— at the heart of europe. i think yasmin is _ at the heart of europe. i think yasmin is correct _ at the heart of europe. i think yasmin is correct that - at the heart of europe. i think yasmin is correct that making j at the heart of europe. i think. yasmin is correct that making it possible for 27 nation states to work together as an absolutely utopian project but we are seen the tension between those ideas of europe, a capitalist club or social europe, a capitalist club or social europe and the french issue and particularly the polish and hungarian issue actually important because they are a challenge directly to the idea of social europe. the polish government and hungarian want to be able to run authoritarian governments, they have said they are leading an illiberal democracy and poland women have fought very hard to regain their right to abortion and most polish people actually want to stay and the eu so the union has a difficult challenge ahead which is how to keep poland in whilst protecting the rights of people in poland who look to the european union exactly for that. ~ . that. when we say social europe we are citin: that. when we say social europe we are citing social _ that. when we say social europe we are citing social policies _ that. when we say social europe we are citing social policies on - are citing social policies on abortion— are citing social policies on abortion on the treatment of lgbt people _ abortion on the treatment of lgbt people but we are also talking about a pillar— people but we are also talking about a pillar of— people but we are also talking about a pillar of democracy and poland and that is— a pillar of democracy and poland and that is the _ a pillar of democracy and poland and that is the judicially which in poland — that is the judicially which in poland has become subordinate to the ruling _ poland has become subordinate to the ruling party— poland has become subordinate to the ruling party the law and justice party— ruling party the law and justice party of— ruling party the law and justice party of the prime minister so we are talking — party of the prime minister so we are talking about not just social policy _ are talking about not just social policy but — are talking about not just social policy but the very essence of democracy and i think that this where — democracy and i think that this where the eu has come down on this. it where the eu has come down on this. it was _ where the eu has come down on this. it was quite _ where the eu has come down on this. it was quite interesting hearing the prime minister who said it is reasonable when we have transferred perils of course european law comes and, what is the problem. the government chose the judges and then told thejudges now government chose the judges and then told the judges now be want a judgment that will effectively say we make the decisions not europe, thatis we make the decisions not europe, that is where brussels are starting to get so alarmed.— that is where brussels are starting to get so alarmed. there have been other lawyers _ to get so alarmed. there have been other lawyers and _ to get so alarmed. there have been other lawyers and other _ to get so alarmed. there have been other lawyers and other countries . other lawyers and other countries not necessarily constant with eu views _ not necessarily constant with eu views of— not necessarily constant with eu views of constitution and what is happening now as an illiberal government ordering the judicially to fait— government ordering the judicially to fail in _ government ordering the judicially to fall in line with its views and that is— to fall in line with its views and that is very— to fall in line with its views and that is very different from the democratic states that helped found the eli _ democratic states that helped found the eu. there is tension between whose _ the eu. there is tension between whose laws range supreme, is at the nation _ whose laws range supreme, is at the nation honours at the supranational institution — nation honours at the supranational institution of the ecj that has been a fundamental tension almost from the founding time and over the last 60 years— the founding time and over the last 60 years there has been an informal agreement— 60 years there has been an informal agreement that ecj rulings reign supreme, — agreement that ecj rulings reign supreme, take primacy over national law and _ supreme, take primacy over national law and this — supreme, take primacy over national law and this was long before poland ever had _ law and this was long before poland ever had eu membership, this is what it signed _ ever had eu membership, this is what it signed up— ever had eu membership, this is what it signed up to even though there are other— it signed up to even though there are other exemptions and these are the rules— are other exemptions and these are the rules that knew were in play. the eu _ the rules that knew were in play. the eu also stumbled about 14 years a-o the eu also stumbled about 14 years ago when _ the eu also stumbled about 14 years ago when they had a chance to actually— ago when they had a chance to actually write that in explicitly and the — actually write that in explicitly and the lisbon treaty that eu law took precedence over national law and they— took precedence over national law and they balked so they are now reaping — and they balked so they are now reaping some of the quandary. henry, maria and yasmin _ reaping some of the quandary. henry, maria and yasmin thank— reaping some of the quandary. henry, maria and yasmin thank you _ reaping some of the quandary. henry, maria and yasmin thank you all - reaping some of the quandary. henry, maria and yasmin thank you all very i maria and yasmin thank you all very much and thank you for your company on dateline london, we will be back next week looking ahead to what is coming and the cop26 summit, goodbye. hello. quite a mild weekend in store for most of us. a little on the breezy side and not completely dry. i think most of the time it's just going to be cloudy with a few glimmers of sunshine. let's have a look at the satellite picture, because there is a big low pressure in the north atlantic. you can see it here swirling around and its weather front is approaching the british isles. it is quite a wet weather front. you can see all of that rain here towards the west of our neighbourhood, but the good news is that as the weather front crosses the country, it is going to be fizzling away to just a few showers. it's also bringing a lot of mild airand infact the air across the atlantic right now is mild and this will be in place across the uk for the next few days. here is the forecast this afternoon. breezy and windy in places with gusts up to 50 miles an hour in the north west of the uk, with rain at times, but the rest of the country here dry with just fleeting spits and spots of rain and temperatures of around 14 or 15 celsius. here is that weather front making its journey towards east through the course of the night. it will turn wet for a time around cornwall, devon, wales, around the irish sea and in glasgow. this is early in the morning on sunday at towards the east on sunday towards the east and the south—east, it should be a dry morning. and a very mild morning, 18 in some areas. 13 in some areas. but notice what happens to that weather front. it literallyjust breaks up into bits and pieces of rain, so on sunday in the afternoon, we are expecting sunny spells and fleeting showers, perhaps the odd heavy one, but it won't last for very long, because that breeze will push these showers along. the temperatures in one or two spots could get up to around 16 celsius. here is sunday night into monday, and again further showers and more of a breeze in the north of the uk. but these westerlies will be with us for quite some time into the week ahead. westerlies often bring showers to western areas of the uk, and you can see them here on monday. some also affecting wales, cornwall, devon, perhaps one or two running along the channel, too. the further east you are, the dryer and the sunnier your weather will be. 14 in hull and 14 in plymouth on monday. let's have a look at the summary for the week ahead. if anything the temperatures might climb a little further. 17 in belfast, 17 in cardiff. perhaps even 18 in london. above the average for the time of year. towards the end of the week, it will turn more unsettled and a bit colder. this is bbc news ? these are the latest headlines in the uk and around the world: court documents show that alec baldwin was told that a prop gun was safe, in the moments before he accidentally killed a crew member on set. get out and get your booster. a fresh push for eligible people in the uk to get theirjabs, amid rising concern over the rates of coronavirus. there'll be half a billion pounds to support families in the chancellor's budget for the uk next week, but the opposition labour party call it a "smokescreen." the coastal town that has received a £41 million donation from the woman behind 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