hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are are the broadcaster and psychotherapist lucy beresford, and deputy political editor at the daily express, sam lister. great to see you both, thanks very much forjoining us today. let's start with the metro — it leads with the title "countdown to net zero" as the government unveils its plan to reach a target of net zero carbon emissions by 2050, promising grants for electric cars and low carbon heat pumps. i don't think we can show you these front pages. i'lljust read the headlines out so you have a rough idea of what they're saying. the guardian carries the views of experts and campaigners that criticse the government's net zero strategy saying that it falls short on ambition and is not backed up with adequate funding. according to the i, government's sage scientific advisers are now meeting monthly rather than weeks that's despite infections, hospital admissions and deaths rising and fears of a new winter wave. data seen by the telegraph shows that two thirds of care home residents are still waiting for a covid—19 booster jab as gps have stopped vaccinations to prioritise clearing treatment backlogs. and in the ft, european commisison president ursula von der leyen tells the eu parliament that poland will be punished for its challenge to eu law. it comes after a court ruling in warsaw found eu law incompatible with the polish constitution. that's a quick summary of some of the front pages, we will try and show some of them soon. let's begin with a quick look at what we can talk about. let me start, sam, if i can on the daily mail, and the big announcement that we've had today on energy. i think the front page says that boris�*s energy. i think the front page says that boris's £1,000,000,000,000 green gamble — i don't know if you can see it here — they'll try and pick us up for you. sam, just tell me what is your sense? is this going far enough? 0bviously me what is your sense? is this going far enough? obviously it's the start and glasgow is nearly upon us. . i mean, it's hard to know where to with this because it sewed what —— so wide—ranging and so huge. it's everything about how we will travel to heating our homes, 440,000 jobs leaked to this, there's nuclear power — this is vast and huge. 0bviously these things come at a cost, and the paper points this —— paints this as borisjohnson�*s big gamble, a £1,000,000,000,000 price tag to it. i think the government wants to attract a lot of investment in the private sector and funded mainly through private sector investment and technological development, advancements in the market, that kind of thing. but this will also come with tax rises, and the mail also warns about the potential for soaring household energy bills and the knock on effect of inflation that will have. so yes, it portrays as a big gamble, but obviously this will be britain leading the way around the world on this, and we must remember that britain is only part of this claimant change fight, there is other roles to be considered —— climate change. the other roles to be considered -- climate change.— climate change. the british government _ climate change. the british government might - climate change. the british government might say - climate change. the british i government might say they're leaving, i don't think everyone would agree with that. lucy, but did you make of it was announced. ? i think the headline really sums it up, because it is a bit of a gamble. you have _ up, because it is a bit of a gamble. you have borisjohnson who, on the one hand. _ you have borisjohnson who, on the one hand, wants to be seen as a world _ one hand, wants to be seen as a world saviour host of cop 26, but at the same time in the back of his mind _ the same time in the back of his mind hee— the same time in the back of his mind he's got some querulous backbenchers were very nervous about how much _ backbenchers were very nervous about how much money this will cost, he perhaps— how much money this will cost, he perhaps got redwall voters who are going _ perhaps got redwall voters who are going to _ perhaps got redwall voters who are going to take fright at how much it'll cost — going to take fright at how much it'll cost to change their boilers or upgrade to an electric car, for example — or upgrade to an electric car, for example. there is research that came out days _ example. there is research that came out days ago— example. there is research that came out days ago where they asked people exolidtly, _ out days ago where they asked people explicitly, "do you think you'll be buying _ explicitly, "do you think you'll be buying an— explicitly, "do you think you'll be buying an electric vehicle by 2030?" 71% of— buying an electric vehicle by 2030?" 71% of people said no. so we are already— 71% of people said no. so we are already seeing the way in which he's trying _ already seeing the way in which he's trying be _ already seeing the way in which he's trying be very ambitious, and the critics_ trying be very ambitious, and the critics are — trying be very ambitious, and the critics are saying he's not being ambitious — critics are saying he's not being ambitious enough — but actually, will the _ ambitious enough — but actually, will the public go with him on this one, _ will the public go with him on this one, particularly as there are other countries _ one, particularly as there are other countries in — one, particularly as there are other countries in the world who seem to be perhaps— countries in the world who seem to be perhaps polluting the planet far more _ be perhaps polluting the planet far more than we are. ? it�*s more than we are. ? it's interesting, _ more than we are. ? it's interesting, my - more than we are. ? it's interesting, my car- more than we are. ? it's interesting, my car was | more than we are. ? it�*s interesting, my car was consumed in a forest fire linked to problems with climate change, and i pulled back from buying electric. i've got a hybrid, i'm feeling pretty guilty about that, but it's really difficult when you've got one car and you're worried about whether you can do these long journeys. until you are forced to confront it, you don't actually think about the details, i suspect. but don't actually think about the details, i suspect.— don't actually think about the details, i suspect. but we don't know how _ details, i suspect. but we don't know how much _ details, i suspect. but we don't know how much will _ details, i suspect. but we don't know how much will cost, - details, i suspect. but we don't know how much will cost, and i details, i suspect. but we don't l know how much will cost, and we details, i suspect. but we don't - know how much will cost, and we know today— know how much will cost, and we know today because of the summit that boris _ today because of the summit that borisjohnson hosted today because of the summit that boris johnson hosted that today because of the summit that borisjohnson hosted that he's really— borisjohnson hosted that he's really banking on the technology and industrial— really banking on the technology and industrial sectors to really come up with innovation. and the more innovation _ with innovation. and the more innovation there is, fantastic prices — innovation there is, fantastic prices will come down. but that will be quite _ prices will come down. but that will be quite a _ prices will come down. but that will be quite a long time in the future, and right— be quite a long time in the future, and right now people are thinking, "how— and right now people are thinking, "how much — and right now people are thinking, "how much will it cost me to change my boiier— "how much will it cost me to change my boiler and get rid of my car?" when _ my boiler and get rid of my car?" when it— my boiler and get rid of my car?" when it hits _ my boiler and get rid of my car?" when it hits people in the pocket, they'ii _ when it hits people in the pocket, they'll be — when it hits people in the pocket, they'll be much more resistant. that's_ they'll be much more resistant. that's the — they'll be much more resistant. that's the question that the metro raises, count on them at zero —— net zero, hasn't the government done just the bare minimum? how much more does it need to subsidise everyone? because time is not on our side, so many of us have been affected by the climate change emergency, which is what is. i climate change emergency, which is what is. ~ ., what is. i think the way the prime minister would _ what is. i think the way the prime minister would try _ what is. i think the way the prime minister would try to _ what is. i think the way the prime minister would try to portray - what is. i think the way the prime minister would try to portray this | minister would try to portray this is that you saw a rapid development in mobile phone technology and microwave technology back in the 19805, microwave technology back in the 1980s, and those developments quickly led to these products becoming very affordable for most people. the difference being, i would say, is that people want mobile phones and microwave ovens — not many people are clamouring for a heat condo when they've got a perfectly good boiler. until it offers the same level of quality of supply and is as cheap as a gas boiler, very few people will be making that switch, i would imagine will stop obviously people who are very committed to reducing their emissions will take that hit — which if you are a pensioner on a fixed income or a low income family, you'll have real problems when it comes down the line into making these switches. and i think even in these switches. and i think even in the documentation today, it makes it quite clear that low income families will be the hardest affected by this. it doesn't actually make clear exactly how the supply will cover costs from these changes. we don't know whether _ costs from these changes. we don't know whether they'll _ costs from these changes. we don't know whether they'll be _ costs from these changes. we don't know whether they'll be means - know whether they'll be means tested, and it is only a relatively small number of grants, given the overall numbers that are needed, but they hope the cost will come down. i think the prime minister portrays this as not a hatchet plan, you will not have to give up flying or driving a car — you just change the types of car you do it in, you change the types of flights you're taking, and that makes it less painful for people. taking, and that makes it less painfulfor people. is taking, and that makes it less painful for people.— taking, and that makes it less painful for people. is that cake as him, though? _ painful for people. is that cake as him, though? possibly, _ painful for people. is that cake as him, though? possibly, becausel painful for people. is that cake as i him, though? possibly, because this is a long-term _ him, though? possibly, because this is a long-term plan _ him, though? possibly, because this is a long-term plan and _ him, though? possibly, because this is a long-term plan and so _ him, though? possibly, because this is a long-term plan and so much - him, though? possibly, because this is a long-term plan and so much of. is a long—term plan and so much of it is dependent on technological innovation. so it's actually very hard to measure. at this point. but i think the government is committed to obviously spending public on this, but labourwould to obviously spending public on this, but labour would argue it needs to spend a lot more in climate change activists won a whole lot more than even this money is going towards.. . , .., more than even this money is going towards.. . , .. ., more than even this money is going towards.. . , .., ., ., towards.. lucy, can we have our cake and eat it on — towards.. lucy, can we have our cake and eat it on this? _ towards.. lucy, can we have our cake and eat it on this? or _ towards.. lucy, can we have our cake and eat it on this? or do _ towards.. lucy, can we have our cake and eat it on this? or do we - towards.. lucy, can we have our cake and eat it on this? or do we all - and eat it on this? or do we all have to make a much bigger shift? it'll be very difficult, and there are other— it'll be very difficult, and there are other papers who are pointing out how— are other papers who are pointing out how much money the treasury is actually— out how much money the treasury is actually going to lose in fuel duty, for example, if you start getting a lot of people switching to eiectric— getting a lot of people switching to electric cars. that shortfall in tax revenue — electric cars. that shortfall in tax revenue will have to come from somewhere else, so clearly there will he _ somewhere else, so clearly there will he a — somewhere else, so clearly there will be a divide between number ten and number“. where will you get the funding from and how— where will you get the funding from and how will you pay for this in the long term? — and how will you pay for this in the long term? will be more about getting — long term? will be more about getting us — psychologically we are very innovative creatures, we do conv— very innovative creatures, we do copy other — very innovative creatures, we do copy other people. so if you can harness— copy other people. so if you can harness that and really encourage us to modify— harness that and really encourage us to modify our behaviour, that might actually— to modify our behaviour, that might actually he — to modify our behaviour, that might actually be a better route than crashing — actually be a better route than crashing bigger tax hikes on us, because — crashing bigger tax hikes on us, because that'll make us more resistant _ because that'll make us more resistant-— because that'll make us more resistant. ., . , ., resistant. absolute touches on the daily telegraph's _ resistant. absolute touches on the daily telegraph's story, _ resistant. absolute touches on the daily telegraph's story, new - resistant. absolute touches on the daily telegraph's story, new taxes j daily telegraph's story, new taxes to search for net zero. measures to tackle climate change are extremely expensive, but we've seen through covid that people can make massively radical changes to lifestyles quickly — and isn't that a spirit that all governments globally could harness? i that all governments globally could harness? ~ �* , , that all governments globally could harness? ~ �*, , , . harness? i think it's very difficult because obviously _ harness? i think it's very difficult because obviously was _ harness? i think it's very difficult because obviously was a - harness? i think it's very difficult | because obviously was a one-off, harness? i think it's very difficult - because obviously was a one-off, we because obviously was a one—off, we hope, lifetime event the likes of which we've never seen, so i think a lot of people went into that almost like a wartime mentality. when it's a case of your taxes going incrementally up, the car that you hoped it would last a few more years, you've been pushed into changing, your being penalised through perhaps levees like driving through perhaps levees like driving through london or have a polluting car — it is painful, and i think that's the problem. . car - it is painful, and i think that's the problem. .- car - it is painful, and i think that's the problem. . we've had floods in london, _ that's the problem. . we've had floods in london, we _ that's the problem. . we've had floods in london, we were - that's the problem. . we've had i floods in london, we were caught that's the problem. . we've had - floods in london, we were caught up in a fire in our holiday in france — these things are coming home and affecting people's daily lives, and isn't that what will drive change? that's part of the documentation today, it does say that while there are enormous costs and there will be rises to pay for this, the cost of not doing anything, they say, will be far greater then taking action, and obviously it will impact on future generations. so they are trying to appeal to families and say, look, think of your children and your grandchildren, in the future of the planet, that kind of thing. that's how they will pitch it — but it still doesn't ease that pain when your taxes are going up and the cost of living goes up, and somebody has to pay for all this. each and everyone of us will pay for through increased costs and higher taxes. . i through increased costs and higher taxes. . , , through increased costs and higher taxes.. , ., �* through increased costs and higher taxes.. , , taxes. . i suppose it won't 'ust be about ou— taxes. . i suppose it won't 'ust be about our grandchildren, _ taxes. . i suppose it won'tjust be about our grandchildren, but - taxes. . i suppose it won'tjust be. about our grandchildren, but about all of us. let's move on, if we can to the ft front page, "rishi sunak plans cut in banks's profit surcharge," talking about the loss ofjobs surcharge," talking about the loss of jobs to surcharge," talking about the loss ofjobs to european capitals, and i financial change here to keep london still in the game as they see it? this is the huge irony — these two headlines— this is the huge irony — these two headlines really sum up the dilemma for rishi _ headlines really sum up the dilemma for rishi sunak, because we've just been _ for rishi sunak, because we've just been talking about the way in which he will— been talking about the way in which he will probably need to create new taxes _ he will probably need to create new taxes to _ he will probably need to create new taxes to fund this net zero ambition - vet— taxes to fund this net zero ambition - vet at— taxes to fund this net zero ambition - vet at the — taxes to fund this net zero ambition — yet at the same time, he's having to explore _ — yet at the same time, he's having to explore ways to make the city of london. _ to explore ways to make the city of london. the — to explore ways to make the city of london, the financial services district — london, the financial services district way more competitive, and the way— district way more competitive, and the way he's thinking of doing that is... the way he's thinking of doing that ism yes. — the way he's thinking of doing that is... yes, but at the same time are ways— is... yes, but at the same time are ways in— is... yes, but at the same time are ways in which — is... yes, but at the same time are ways in which perhaps the financial services _ ways in which perhaps the financial services industry needs to stay nimble. — services industry needs to stay nimble, whether brexit had occurred or not _ nimble, whether brexit had occurred or not you — nimble, whether brexit had occurred or not. you always want to be innovative _ or not. you always want to be innovative and ahead of the game when, _ innovative and ahead of the game when, at — innovative and ahead of the game when, at the moment, the bank profit surcharge _ when, at the moment, the bank profit surcharge i_ when, at the moment, the bank profit surcharge i think was 8%, and he's looking _ surcharge i think was 8%, and he's looking to — surcharge i think was 8%, and he's looking to reduce it to 3%. so it's a little _ looking to reduce it to 3%. so it's a little bit — looking to reduce it to 3%. so it's a little bit like — in the jargon, it's like — a little bit like — in the jargon, it's like business rates for a companv _ it's like business rates for a company. don't tweet at me and tell me it _ company. don't tweet at me and tell me it isn't _ company. don't tweet at me and tell me it isn't a — company. don't tweet at me and tell me it isn't a business rate, i know that, _ me it isn't a business rate, i know that, irut— me it isn't a business rate, i know that, but that's the sort of type of product _ that, but that's the sort of type of product that he's looking at, and to finesse _ product that he's looking at, and to finesse that to make the city more competitive. we will test you will probably— competitive. we will test you will probably help them in the long run, but is _ probably help them in the long run, but is constantly having to rob peter — but is constantly having to rob peter to — but is constantly having to rob peter to pay paul, in a way, because the finances — peter to pay paul, in a way, because the finances are so stretched, which leads— the finances are so stretched, which leads us— the finances are so stretched, which leads us to — the finances are so stretched, which leads us to the other element about this which— leads us to the other element about this which is where it's always about— this which is where it's always about covid and how we are having to rely on _ about covid and how we are having to rely on the _ about covid and how we are having to rely on the industries like the financial— rely on the industries like the financial services sector who have been _ financial services sector who have been so _ financial services sector who have been so powerful over the decades in actually— been so powerful over the decades in actually raising revenue and paying their own _ actually raising revenue and paying their own taxes — in the ft, it talks— their own taxes — in the ft, it talks about _ their own taxes — in the ft, it talks about how they are responsible for £75,000,000,000 worth of taxes alreadv _ for £75,000,000,000 worth of taxes alreadv so _ for £75,000,000,000 worth of taxes already. so they've been a really good _ already. so they've been a really good source of income for the treasurv _ good source of income for the treasury. now it looks like he'll have _ treasury. now it looks like he'll have to — treasury. now it looks like he'll have to reduce that in order to keep it competitive going forward. is it competitive going forward. [55 this it competitive going forward. is this another cost of brexit? the ft says amsterdam has taken over as the city for treating euro denominations stairs, and a lot ofjobs have gone to paris and new york since the uk lost unrestricted eu market access at the start of this year. . i

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