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south—east, temperatures are more typical of early summer. elsewhere it is still very mild for the time of year. it should be turning much drier in scotland. some sunshine in northern ireland. still some rain across western areas of england and wales. 0vernight that rain will move towards the south—east. a few showers knocking about, some of them heavy and thundery later in the south—west and also in south wales. quite mild again for southern parts of the uk but cooler than last night further north. we have got these clusters of thundery downpours pushing northwards and eastwards across england and wales tomorrow. some sunshine either side of that. rain in the far north—west. tomorrow will be mild, not quite as mild as today. the highest temperatures will once again be down towards the south—east. 0n once again be down towards the south—east. on thursday and friday, the rest of the week will be feeling much colder, very different from the moment. 0n much colder, very different from the moment. on wednesday night we have still got somewhere to whether to move away. and then the cold front moves down, not much rain on that, but behind it, the wind direction changes and we draw air all the way down from the arctic, so it will feel much colder. thursday will have some sunshine and showers, possibly showers of a wintry flavour over the higher ground. winds could be touching gale force on the north sea coast. and these are the temperatures, it will be feeling chilly. that chilly air is still in place as we head into friday. this high pressure isjust coming in from the atlantic will probably bring some more cloud to western areas. further east, there will be some sunshine, and the winds will not be as strong on friday but it is still quite chilly. a reminder of our top story... the government sets out its plans for cutting carbon emissions to zero by 2050, which include plans for a big push towards electric vehicles. that's all from the bbc news at one, so it's goodbye from me, and on bbc one, we nowjoin the bbc�*s news teams where you are. good afternoon. you are watching bbc news, i am katherine downes. scotland are playing papua new guinea in the second of their t20 world cup group qualifiers in oman. in their first match they beat bangladesh by six wickets and richie berrington top—scored for the scots today with 70. both sides are aiming to reach the super 12 stage later this week. matthew cross provided 45 runs and the scots eventually finished on 165—9. papua new guinea are trying to recover from their thrashing by 0man. so far theyr�*e struggling on 59 forfive from nine overs in reply. england will play the opening match of next year's nations league campaign in front of an empty stadium following the unrest at last summer's euros final. but the former fa chief executive mark palios says that shouldn't impact the fa's hopes of potentially staging the world cup here in 2030. uefa issued the punishment for a lack of order and discipline inside and around the stadium before the final with italy, as ticketless fans stormed the stadium. the ban will cost the fa anywhere between two and £5 million in lost revenue. but palios says england's record of staging major events will count in their favour, in bidding for the world cup in nine years�* time. i think the uk has a fantastic record for putting on great events, that is the first thing. wembley is the home of football, it is a fantastic stadium in that regard. i think, depending on a couple of things, what comes out in terms of a response by the investigation. secondly, the behaviour. you are basically on trial now for the behaviour. celtic take on ferencvaros in the europa league at the unusual time of 3.30 this afternoon. the early kick—off is due to policing pressures over the forthcoming cop26 climate conference soon to take place in glasgow. it's also the first event in scotland where fans will have to have proof that they are double—vaccinated against coronavirus as random spot checks will be in place. celtic�*s manager, speaking to the press yesterday, knows they must win today to keep alive their hopes of making the knock—out stages. 0bviously obviously the other two sides in the group have won their two opening games. you kind of know if you want to bridge the gap we have got to win our games we've got remain, particularly the two games we have at home. we know the significant of tomorrow's game in the context of us wanting to progress. not shying away from that, we need a win tomorrow. manchester city midfielder kevin de bruyne says he's happy with the club's achievements in his six years there so far — but he hopes to help them lift the champions league before his time is up. they're third in their group, and they take on second—placed bruges this evening, with de bruyne back in his native belgium for a club fixture for the first time since he left genk for chelsea in 2012. iam i am excited to go back home. 0bviously i am excited to go back home. obviously it's been the first time to play at home except the national team since i left, about ten years ago or something. it is a long time. but obviously, i think people will always set the standard higher and higher and i think because of what we have done in england for the last five or six years, people expect us to win the champions league and that is what we want to do. players who haven't been vaccinatd against covid—19 are unlikely to be allowed to compete at the australian open injanuary. the leader of the state of victoria said they wouldn't get a visa to enter the country — and if they did, they'd probably have to quarantine for a couple of weeks. yesterday, reigning men's champion and world number one novak djokovic declined to reveal his vaccination status again, and said he was unsure if he would defend his title in melbourne. that's all the sport for now. you can find more on all those stories on the bbc sport website. ina in a moment we will be answering your questions with angela terry and also doctor richard lowes, an academic with an expertise in energy pathology, particularly sustainable heating and the home. but first, let's hear the thoughts of our environment analyst, let's hear the thoughts of our environmentanalyst, roger let's hear the thoughts of our environment analyst, roger harrabin on the government subsidies are £5,000 next april to help households in england and wales replace gas boilers with low carbon heat pumps. the question is the installation costs. let's top this up, the government will give you £5,000 if you are one of the relatively lucky few who get it. they give you £5,000. on top of that there will be an extra £2500 you will have to pay yourself towards the heat pump. but if you lose your boiler or get rid of your boiler, but you would have to pay that for a new boiler anyway. and then there is the installation cost as well. that will almost certainly includes what are your radiators, changing the piping and all sorts of things. it is a big hassle, a big expense. the government thinks it is inevitable for us to go down this route if we are going to decarbonise and i cannot see any other major alternatives, hydrogen is only likely to play a very small part. but it looks as though the government has got to move a lot further in getting people to switch over to heat pumps than it is proposing to do at the moment. the government at the moment is planning to have 30,000 homes a year go over to have 30,000 homes a year go over to heat pumps. the same government says that by the end of the decade it is expecting 600,000 homes a year to be heat pump heated and climate advisers say that numbers should be a million. sorry looking from 30,000, we are looking to a million and it is very hard to see how that can be scaled up unless the government is willing to help people buy these things and install them. at the moment it doesn't seem to be willing to do that. although we have to wait and see because we have the chancellor's comprehensive spending review coming up in the next week and we will see if they will plot any more money into it. we can now talk to our guests about what is happening going forward with those heat pumps. richard, a question for you. who can claim this grant? 0nly people on low income or all household owners with gas boilers? good morning. as far as we know it is open to any households who want to. these grants of £5,000 will be there for anyone. it doesn't matter what you have got as a heating system at the moment. it is to open up the market and for people who want to take the first steps towards being green in their homes. we are not aware of any currently limitations. would everybody get £5,000 if they are successful? yes, that is what it is currently saying, it is a fixed number of £5,000, which is more than the government had originally suggested in their consultation. it is currently unclear whether there will be a higher figure for ground source heat pumps. it had been previously suggested you might be able to get a bit more for a ground source heat pump but we are waiting on the detail on that. angela, question foryou. is the grantjust for gas boilers or does it cover solid fuel, wood pellet and oil? the grant is for heat pumps and replacing your gas. so if you have currently got renewables such as biomass or solar, then that isn't to replace those. but if you have got oil or gas boilers, they are fossil fuels and that is what the government is aiming to get rid of so we can meet our net zero strategy. there is a set scheme for a renewable heat incentive for people looking at biomass and solar. it is confusing for consumers, we don't know the details about how this project will work because the press and release only came out today. the devil is in the detail but it is for ripping out, when your gas boiler is up for changing, then that is when this grant would be best for homeowners. richard, question from carol, how do we get the financial help, do they come round to check the home is insulated enough? 0ne politician was on earlier saying that if you get a heat pump and your house isn't insulated it is about as useful as a leaky teapot? there are two things to answer. you can put a heat pump in a less well insulated house. but your bills will be higher. but they can be sized correctly so you can heat potentially a building with solid walls and double glazed windows. that wouldn't be my preference because cheap heating bills and whatever heating system you have, it is best to insulate your house and get good windows and doors. in terms of the application process, we don't know yet. from what i expect it will be based around a similar approach to similar schemes whereby you would find a local installer and they would get your system and once you had a quote you would apply for the grant. the grant, we are not sure if it will be paid to the household or the installer, but it shouldn't be a complicated process. it should be the installer making the decisions around the type of heat pump, the size of the system and then does much of the paperwork to make sure it is going to be installed correctly. going back to what you said about insulation, what would your advice be on what someone should do first if they do have windows that are not insulating their homes properly or any other measures in place to insulate? would that be the priority? it depends. we don't think you will be stopped from having these grants if you haven't got the best windows. so the grant will be a stand—alone thing you can go for. if i were a household and i had single glazed windows i would be very keen, having lived in nasty, old buildings before with single glazed windows, i would be keen to get those removed. the press release on this grant scheme and on the heat and building strategy has been quite quiet on energy efficiency and how people would be supported to do things like insulate their walls and get new windows and doors. much of which people do already as part of maintenance. but we do need to see some more detail about energy efficiency because that is an important, it is half of the problem, the heat pump solves half of it but the energy efficiency is equally important. what would you say on that, angela, in terms of people can do to cut their bills with energy efficiency? yeah, with rising gas bills, that has to be the number one priority for cutting your bills, insulate your home. homeowner or someone who has rented will have an energy performance certificate, so that will show them how their house is performing in terms of keeping the warm heat in their home. also given suggestions on how they can improve their home. but the really big wins are basically having 30 centimetres of loft insulation, using foam strips around windows and doors that are leaky and low cost measures like keeping your curtains shut at night. if you only have single glazing you can put secondary film glazing on and that works well for the winter. that is a quick, temporary measure. there is lots of ways to insulate your home and improve the energy efficiency that anyone can do this weekend, with some simple diy tips. i would encourage people to do that. a biggerjob is obviously cavity wall insulation, solid wall insulation. you do need to get an approved installer but it does have a 25 year guarantee on the work. making sure your home is not a leaky teapot and making sure that it is nice, warm and cosy. those measures will last you for 30 or 40 years, so it is worth investing the time, regardless of whether you plan to get a heat pump or not. another question, has anyone considered noise pollution from these heat pumps running? the heat pump has to be at least one metre away from your neighbour's house. but they are noise... noise pollution and monitoring is looked at. they are a gentle whirling noise, not very noisy, it's not going to cause a huge disturbance to you, or your neighbours. richard, a question, why does the government keep constantly mentioning heat pumps as a substitute, what about a direct replacement, electric—powered boiler which is 100% efficient? it is the 100% efficiency of the electric heating system. what a heat pump does, because it draws in heat from outside on the ground, you basically get a lot more energy out from the heat pump than you put in. in terms of running efficiencies, heat pump will give you 300 you 300 to 400 efficiency. what that means is your bills will be a third, sorry a third of the cost of an equivalent electricity bill. the value of the heat pump is they do use electricity, which come from renewable sources but they also use it extremely efficiently which results in a much lower running costs than using basic electric heater. are there any downsides to the heat pumps? the difficulty with heat pumps in general is they run at a lower flow temperature than a gas boiler. radiators will not get quite as hot as they would normally do with a gas boiler. that's not to say all gas boilers produce extremely high temperatures. actually, you don't want your radiators to be too hot because your boiler will not be running very efficiently. but it does mean with heat pumps, in some cases often you will need to get your radiators either upgraded, particularly if they are single panel ones, they are likely to put double in. in some situations, you might need to upgrade the internal pipework in your house. sorry, the costs are ratcheting up, it's notjust getting the pump? the grant is supposed to cover many of these costs. so the actual heat pump units themselves are not huge amounts more than a gas boiler. maybe an extra £1000. it's worth pointing out, the same with the insulation we just talked about, once you put the bigger radiators in or the bigger pipes in, your house is then future proofed basically for ever. insulation and pipework last for a long time. in this house, the pipework was there when it was built, many decades ago. it is an investment. they can be some up front hassle, but once it is done, it is done. when the heat pumps eventually need replacing, it is a much easierjob the second time around. on that life cycle of the heat pump, angela, peter in glasgow wants to know about that compared to gas boilers. he says his impression and understanding is that the as heat pump would have to be replaced after ten to 15 years to maintain efficiency? condensing gas boilers last around ten to 15 years. so it would be around comparable, anything with moving parts needs to be maintained and replaced when they are worn out. what we are talking about is a new technology and those improvements are happening all the time and the costs are coming down all the time. i wouldn't say they are any better or worse in terms of life span than a gas boiler. i wouldn't say there was anything to worry about there. richard, a question, my gas boiler broke down and i had a new one installed a month ago, so where do i stand? no need to worry at the moment, there is no regulation saying the gas boilers are going to be removed. but these grants are there to help people that want to change their heating systems from fossil fuels to renewable systems. where they are likely to have most value is where they have a system that is old and about to break. and people with oil heating might see this as valuable because oil heating is even more polluting than gas. potentially down the line, the government is talking about this date of 2035, which is arguably a bit late. even then there wouldn't be an outright ban on gas boilers, it would be a ban on the installation of fossil fuel heating systems. nobody needs to worry that anything will be mandated for the house, itjust means in 15 years, when you come around to making that next heating decision, it may be that your options are primarily heat pumps. angela, another question on the cost, why is the amount of the grant so low? a heat pump cost at least £20,000 to install in the ground or over £10,000 for a noisy air source heat pump when few people have that sort of money? ok, let's separate those two questions. we have tackled the noise issue, they are not that noisy. in terms of air source heat pumps, they are cheaper than ground source. air source look like air conditioning units. ground source need to have pipework into the ground. they are more efficient and they cost less to run. this £5,000 is to contribute to the air source heat pump. the total cost will depend on the size of your house and heat requirement. the ground source are more expensive to put it because of the pipework in the ground, you dig out trenches, basically, but they are more efficient. whether they introduce higher grants for ground source heat pumps, they are more efficient for people in flats, that have higher heat demands. we don't know if there will be higher grant but if you at £5,000 for an air source heat pump, that is about the same as a gas boiler. the whole point of the grant is to kick—start this industry. make sure our heating engineers get trained _ make sure our heating engineers get trained up _ make sure our heating engineers get trained up in this technology. when we try to replace our gas boiler we couldn't find anyone to put in an air source heat pump. so five years ago we replaced our gas boiler like for like. it is aboutjump—starting the industry, than the costs come down and then we have the skills. you wanted an air source heat pump five years ago but you couldn't get one? we were moving into a house and we had to do up the house before we moved in. but how much has that changed now? how many people are there out there, are there enough people to install? in terms of skills and job creation for the green economy is a different thing. we have seen in the offshore wind industry how many people are being trained to work in that sector. what we need is the big energy companies to have their workforces trained up to do heat pumps as well as gas boilers, basically. this grant today is a welcome direction because until now, we didn't know whether hydrogen would be here and this policy is all about air source heat pump so it sending a clear signal to the energy providers and installers about where the government direction is going in terms of how we decarbonise heat in our buildings and homes. a couple of final questions on the practicalities around where they could fit. the heat pumps seemed to be quite large, are there pump small enough to fit into flats? and similarly, how can people in upper—level flats in cities and stole a heat pump when there is no outdoor space? richard? yes, both good questions. i live in a relatively small terraced house and i have fitted heat pump in the space which is often, terraced houses are complicated for heat pumps because of the limited floor space. with flats, there are issues with leasehold rights and who owns the access to the building. what tends to make sense for flats and for blocks of flats is to have a building wide approach. this is something that does often happen in new developments, particularly in london where rather than having individual heating systems in each house or each flat, sorry, you would have a central boiler and that could easily be upon the roof, solar panels on the roof or even a district heating scheme. cities are looking at these much bigger networks of hot water pipes which are very popular in countries like denmark and sweden, where they work very well in urban areas because there is a high density of heating and lots of buildings like flats. where i think it might be quite complicated is in a building like a large house has been converted into flats. we have not seen many of those be retrofitted just yet because of the complications around ownership. i think that would be an interesting area for the government to look next. thank you both so much for sharing your extensive expertise and answering those questions. hello there. it's another cloudy day today for most of us, some rain in the air as well. and that's because the air has travelled over 1500 miles to get to the uk all the way from the tropics, but with that long sea track you pick up all that moisture. but its warm air that's heading our way so with some sunshine potentially for the south—east of england and east anglia, temperatures reaching 21 degrees. elsewhere, where we have more cloud, some outbreaks of rain or showers, it still 17 or 18 degrees. that's the picture late afternoon, early evening and the wetter weather is going to move across england and wales towards the south—east overnight. some clearer skies developing elsewhere, a few showers knocking about, some heavy, thundery ones in the south—west of england and south wales later on. a warm start to wednesday across the southern half of the uk, a little cooler perhaps as you head further north where we do have some sunshine. that rain clears to the south—east of england and then these heavy, potentially thundery downpours move northwards and eastwards across england and wales. wetter weather sitting in northern england in the afternoon. either side of that we should see some sunshine coming through, there is rain in the far south—west later and the north—west of scotland. temperatures not quite as high as today, but still a mild one across many parts of england and wales. but as we head into the end of the week through thursday and friday, it's going to feel very different, it's going to feel much colder. that's because our wind is coming from a different location. we've got some heavy rain on wednesday night across southern parts of the uk and then we've got this cold front moving down from the north as well. but behind that, the wind direction changes and we are picking up air more from the arctic or polar regions, that will make it feel much colder. it's going to be a windy day on thursday, the rain first thing along the east coast, south coast will move away but then plenty of sunshine, showers more towards the north—west and a little bit wintry over the hills. there'll be some strong and gusty to north—westerly winds possibly gales along eastern coasts are where we have spring tides as well. and it will feel cold — eight, nine degrees in northern scotland to a higher 13 in southern parts of england and wales, so quite a change from what we've got at the moment. that chillier air still in place overnight and then we get this ridge of high pressure building in from the atlantic on friday. fewer showers, probably a fair bit of cloud coming into western areas, this is where we will see the bulk of the showers. the winds won't be quite a strong on friday and the sunnier skies will be towards the eastern side of the uk. but we've still got temperatures of 11 to 14 degrees, quite a bit cooler than today. this is bbc news. the headlines... the government sets out its plans for cutting carbon emissions to zero by 2050 — including a big push towards electric vehicles. green is good. green is right. green works! homeowners in england and wales will get 5,000 pounds to help replace old gas boilers with low carbon alternatives — critics say the strategy lacks ambition. to be honest, having heat pumps in a home that is poorly insulated is like buying a teapot with cracks in it. it's inefficient, it's leaky, and it's a waste of money. an inquiry finds that child abuse allegations against the late labour peer lord janner were not properly investigated because of multiple failures by police and prosecutors. the health secretary announces children aged 12 to 15 in england

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