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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are lucy fisher, deputy political editor at the telegraph and ailbhe rea, political correspondent at the new statesman. tomorrow's front pages starting with "fuel rationed as uk's petrol stations hit by shortage of lorry drivers" is the headline in the i. the paper says bp, esso and tesco are warningn of fueld the paper says bp, esso and tesco are warning of fuel shortages at some forecourts because of supply chain issues. the telegraph's headline is "alarm as bp begins petrol rationing" and the paper talks of the spectre of panic buying looming while a �*winter of discontent�* is feared as energy companies go bust. that�*s next to an image of harry and meghan in a �*royal tour�* — in inverted commas — of new york. the guardian has "warning of fuel shortages amid supply chain crisis" alongside a pciture of primary school teacher sabina nessa who is believed to have been murdered as she walked through a park in south east london. the metro also focuses on police arresting arrested a second man in connection with the death of the teacher. the ft�*s main story is how an interest rate rise moves closer as the the bank of england is predicting inflation to pass 4%. the paper also reports on how former chancellor george osborne has secured an advisory role with a group founded by russian oligarch oleg deripaska. so, let�*s begin. that we are running on empty and the worry basically that there is a lack of h gv drivers that we see affecting a of areas but is really hitting home here, isn�*t it? yes. affecting a of areas but is really hitting home here, isn't it? yes. it is a strange _ hitting home here, isn't it? yes. it is a strange story _ hitting home here, isn't it? yes. it is a strange story because - hitting home here, isn't it? yes. it is a strange story because it's - hitting home here, isn't it? yes. it is a strange story because it's not| is a strange story because it�*s not a lack of physical supply of petrol or diesel, that is causing these storage shortages, it�*s a problem with the shortage of hgv drivers which means that logistical deliveries cannot be fulfilled from refineries to petrol stations. we heard downing street to urge people not to panic and certainly not to panic by which could precipitate the price is getting worse. really, the pressure is building on downing street to step in and try to help solve this lorry driver crisis. part of the which is being commanded by lori drivers, such salary being offered are above the median salary which is around £35,000. —— wages. the prime minister talking about letting foreign hgv drivers come to the uk more easily, but even that may not solve the whole problem because we are already seeing which is driven up in other countries like poland that traditionally have been big on supplying lori drivers. it is a very difficult problem that is not easy to solve in the short term. find easy to solve in the short term. and brexit obviously _ easy to solve in the short term. and brexit obviously a factor, covid—19 a vector, a number of pressures here, are they? —— factor. a vector, a number of pressures here, are they? -- factor. there aren't real— here, are they? -- factor. there aren't real fuel— here, are they? -- factor. there aren't real fuel shortages - here, are they? -- factor. there aren't real fuel shortages as - here, are they? -- factor. there aren't real fuel shortages as shei aren't real fuel shortages as she explained, this is an issue with hgv drivers_ explained, this is an issue with hgv drivers but— explained, this is an issue with hgv drivers but the problem is that it's not really— drivers but the problem is that it's not really clear and practice whether— not really clear and practice whether people will buy the government line on that and if they io government line on that and if they go to— government line on that and if they go to the _ government line on that and if they go to the petrol station and find they're — go to the petrol station and find they're not able to buy petrol because _ they're not able to buy petrol because that station is closed, i think_ because that station is closed, i think we — because that station is closed, i think we are seeing a real possibility of panic and, not necessarily panic buying but in terms — necessarily panic buying but in terms of— necessarily panic buying but in terms of food and in terms of people stocking _ terms of food and in terms of people stocking up— terms of food and in terms of people stocking up on petrol and precipitating actual shortages are making _ precipitating actual shortages are making that situation far worse. people — making that situation far worse. people recall at the beginning of lockdown when there weren't actually material _ lockdown when there weren't actually material shortages and food, we did see a _ material shortages and food, we did see a lot _ material shortages and food, we did see a lot of— material shortages and food, we did see a lot of empty shelves due to the panic— see a lot of empty shelves due to the panic buying i think that's a people — the panic buying i think that's a people are quite worried about tonight — people are quite worried about toniaht. �* ., , ., , tonight. and how safe it is to stock u . tonight. and how safe it is to stock u- on fuel tonight. and how safe it is to stock up on fuel probably _ tonight. and how safe it is to stock up on fuel probably not _ tonight. and how safe it is to stock up on fuel probably not very - tonight. and how safe it is to stock up on fuel probably not very that i up on fuel probably not very that easy either. but let�*s look at the guardian. the supply chain crisis, there seem to be pe with at least one grade of fuel, downing street are saying that we must not panic by. but the prime minister spokesman says this issues across several industries, what could and should the government do immediately. the people do not fall into undue alarm over this. it is something that people do worry about. i something that people do worry about. ~ ., , about. i think that is right. i think the — about. i think that is right. i think the message - about. i think that is right. i think the message from - about. i think that is right. i - think the message from downing street today has been trying as hard as possible so that sibling of reassurance, but really, i think borisjohnson has had this trip in the states this week that there is been a number of winds, is climate change speech landed well. he has seen the border for british double jib travellers through you with three open, but he has jetted jib travellers through you with three open, but he hasjetted back this morning into an array of issues and the hgv issue such as leading to problems with fuel and petrol stations, there is also the growing issue of shortages and supermarkets and warnings that already this becoming an limitation of choice and there could be empty shelves in some categories potentially. it is very difficult to see how the government can solve it. a big part of it is as i�*ve mentioned, these salaries that hgv drivers can command in many ways, i think officials think it really falls to private companies whether it is petrol stations supermarkets and so forth. being willing to pay the salaries that they need in order to have their deliveries done on time. irate they need in order to have their deliveries done on time. we don't know how much _ deliveries done on time. we don't know how much of _ deliveries done on time. we don't know how much of this _ deliveries done on time. we don't know how much of this we - deliveries done on time. we don't know how much of this we can - deliveries done on time. we don't - know how much of this we can portion to brexit but perhaps they thought there had to be some problem like this, this level of disruptions so that private companies could respond. and would start to use british workers to do these jobs in the market would adjust. as a part what we are seeing? i the market would ad'ust. as a part what we are seeing?— what we are seeing? i think that is partly what — what we are seeing? i think that is partly what we _ what we are seeing? i think that is partly what we are _ what we are seeing? i think that is partly what we are seeing. that. what we are seeing? i think that is. partly what we are seeing. that was probably the aim to create more highly paid jobs in the uk, rather than relying on cheap foreign labourers and it does create some problem because while you pay people more than the uk, does drive up prices so consumers are still kind of hidden the pocket and people are earning the higher salaries. i also think that brexit should not be overstated. there is a covid—i9 aspect of this and their other longer—term changes that we are seeing like manufacturing in china, for example. china�*s increasingly moving to model where they can factor rather than speculatively mailing them to british warehouses. there�*s many categories that we might be singing shifts linked to the pandemic and other changes, but altogether it is creating potentially the scenario of a winter of discontent for the uk. in potentially the scenario of a winter of discontent for the uk.— of discontent for the uk. in the house of commons, _ of discontent for the uk. in the house of commons, will - of discontent for the uk. in the house of commons, will not i of discontent for the uk. in the | house of commons, will not be of discontent for the uk. in the - house of commons, will not be going back to those 1970s problems and yet, you know even conservative supporting this, the sun headline, we are running on empty. with the same story. this is not good news and ultimately, people who are worried about the school run, driving to work, but being able to support theirfamilies driving to work, but being able to support their families to make sure the kind of food, these are key concerns that people will perhaps be surprised that they are suddenly facing now. yes surprised that they are suddenly facing nova— surprised that they are suddenly facin now. , ., ., , ., facing now. yes and that is what we see reflected _ facing now. yes and that is what we see reflected across _ facing now. yes and that is what we see reflected across pretty - facing now. yes and that is what we see reflected across pretty much i facing now. yes and that is what we j see reflected across pretty much all of the _ see reflected across pretty much all of the front pages. the sense that ordinary— of the front pages. the sense that ordinary people are going to be hit at both— ordinary people are going to be hit at both ends on this, basically because — at both ends on this, basically because not only are people going to because not only are people going to be encountering petrol shortages in their daily lives, quite possibly food _ their daily lives, quite possibly food shortages on the shelves. they're — food shortages on the shelves. they're also going to see their bills_ they're also going to see their bills in— they're also going to see their bills in many cases sore, but the other— bills in many cases sore, but the other income of the cost of living is going — other income of the cost of living is going to — other income of the cost of living is going to go up and it's something on the _ is going to go up and it's something on the front— is going to go up and it's something on the front page of the ft and also the guardian and that with this spike _ the guardian and that with this spike in — the guardian and that with this spike in energy bills, they are going — spike in energy bills, they are going to — spike in energy bills, they are going to be seeing inflation rise above _ going to be seeing inflation rise above 4%— going to be seeing inflation rise above 4% so, not only will they find that the _ above 4% so, not only will they find that the things they need to go about— that the things they need to go about their daily lives may not be readily— about their daily lives may not be readily available but will also be much _ readily available but will also be much more expensive to do that and i think that _ much more expensive to do that and i think that toxic combination makes us look— think that toxic combination makes us look particularly difficult for the government.— us look particularly difficult for the government. us look particularly difficult for the rovernment. ., ., the government. looking at the front nae, the the government. looking at the front page. they look _ the government. looking at the front page. they look at — the government. looking at the front page, they look at the _ the government. looking at the front page, they look at the fuel _ the government. looking at the front page, they look at the fuel pumps i page, they look at the fuel pumps and underneath that headline, the inflation, the interest rises move closer. if we are looking at inflation going up chymotrypsin concerns about for quite a few months now, if interest is pushed up, it will put a lot of people up with more mortgages which will be extremely unwelcome. band with more mortgages which will be extremely unwelcome.— extremely unwelcome. and the im ortant extremely unwelcome. and the important in — extremely unwelcome. and the important in terms _ extremely unwelcome. and the important in terms of _ extremely unwelcome. and the important in terms of the i extremely unwelcome. and the i important in terms of the political context— important in terms of the political context of— important in terms of the political context of conservatives becoming increasinglyjittery context of conservatives becoming increasingly jittery about this context of conservatives becoming increasinglyjittery about this and with the — increasinglyjittery about this and with the prospect of inflation rates rising _ with the prospect of inflation rates rising towards the end of the year and inflation rising at the moment, we are _ and inflation rising at the moment, we are going to see the cost of living _ we are going to see the cost of living go— we are going to see the cost of living go upjust as we are going to see the cost of living go up just as the uplift universal credit is ended and i think— universal credit is ended and i think that _ universal credit is ended and i think that the concern, the concern across— think that the concern, the concern across the — think that the concern, the concern across the political spectrum, i think— across the political spectrum, i think privately among many conservatives, a lot of this is beyond — conservatives, a lot of this is beyond their control. and it may be the product — beyond their control. and it may be the product of longer—term decisions but the _ the product of longer—term decisions but the thing that the government does have — but the thing that the government does have control over is the into that uplift — does have control over is the into that uplift and that is where there is direct— that uplift and that is where there is direct government involvement they is direct government involvement thev think— is direct government involvement they think the people who see £20 a week suddenly docked as this crisis rises, _ week suddenly docked as this crisis rises, it— week suddenly docked as this crisis rises, it can — week suddenly docked as this crisis rises, it can be very uncomfortable and that— rises, it can be very uncomfortable and that it's — rises, it can be very uncomfortable and that it's going to be something that the _ and that it's going to be something that the government has to. how do ou think people are within the conservative party, the back benches, the conference season under way, the lib dems, labour next week, torri after that?— torri after that? there is one man who will be _ torri after that? there is one man who will be jittery _ torri after that? there is one man who will be jittery about _ torri after that? there is one man who will be jittery about for i torri after that? there is one man who will be jittery about for more | who will be jittery about for more than others and i�*ll be sunak. we see the inflation rate go up, we are already at 100% of gdp for the first time since the 1960s, this colossal deficit of £300 billion and while they had predicted that the economic sure was brightening and there was headroom of around 20 billion for sunak to potentially play within the budget this year, this command next month, that would all be wiped out and that some 20 billion by a i% and that some 20 billion by a 1% interest rate rise, that is the cost of servicing public—sector debt annually. so, he is really under it if we do see interest rates rise. it doesn�*t leave a lot of manoeuvre room and we have already seen him put into position uncomfortable for any chancellor to raise taxes in the form of national insurance to form and pour more money into the health services social care. but there are so many other demands of the treasury as we enter this conference and spending review process that was so departmental budgets for the next three years. this the education catch up, the courts back log, prison overflows, a black hole in the railways budget, this public—sector pay rates budgets. there are so many demands in the treasury and the inflation will be one of the key concerns for the chancellor going forward. brute one of the key concerns for the chancellor going forward. we are obviously and — chancellor going forward. we are obviously and very _ chancellor going forward. we are obviously and very difficult i obviously and very difficult economic territory and there�*s always going to be a cost to coping with covid—i9 and government time to take extreme measures. are we seeing all of the start to come home and the people really prepared now for quite tough times and some very difficult decisions for all parties, really? i difficult decisions for all parties, reall ? ~ . . difficult decisions for all parties, reall ? ~ . difficult decisions for all parties, reall ? ~' ., , , �* really? i think as she said, we've known for _ really? i think as she said, we've known for some _ really? i think as she said, we've known for some time _ really? i think as she said, we've known for some time that i really? i think as she said, we've l known for some time that basically rising _ known for some time that basically rising interest rates were his worst nightmare — rising interest rates were his worst nightmare and where the justification for his last budget and for— justification for his last budget and for trying to stimulate the economy, _ and for trying to stimulate the economy, but also to make some savings — economy, but also to make some savings. the argument that we could afford _ savings. the argument that we could afford to _ savings. the argument that we could afford to borrow so much during the crisis _ afford to borrow so much during the crisis was _ afford to borrow so much during the crisis was that the cost of servicing _ crisis was that the cost of servicing the debt was historically low, but — servicing the debt was historically low, but as the saying will go up, and that's— low, but as the saying will go up, and that's what he's been fearing. even _ and that's what he's been fearing. even a _ and that's what he's been fearing. even a few— and that's what he's been fearing. even a few months ago, wasn't looking — even a few months ago, wasn't looking that likely that interest rates _ looking that likely that interest rates would rise steeply and it is the collective prospect towards the end of— the collective prospect towards the end of the — the collective prospect towards the end of the year and i think it means that the _ end of the year and i think it means that the economic picture has really changed. _ that the economic picture has really changed, even though we were talking about it _ changed, even though we were talking about it in _ changed, even though we were talking about it in the middle of the pandemic and i'm not sure if people are prepared or not. i think a lot of ordinary— are prepared or not. i think a lot of ordinary people, it's been quite a nice _ of ordinary people, it's been quite a nice time — of ordinary people, it's been quite a nice time to get back together with younger people who have not been _ with younger people who have not been able — with younger people who have not been able to work or lots of businesses that have been struggling, i've been able to open their doors and been appreciating their doors and been appreciating the rest _ their doors and been appreciating the rest of— their doors and been appreciating the rest of the business. i think there _ the rest of the business. i think there will— the rest of the business. i think there will be a lot of people blindsided by this but they thought that the _ blindsided by this but they thought that the reopening spell only good things— that the reopening spell only good things where be decided one health—related crisis and then there's— health—related crisis and then there's quite an ugly bleak picture on the _ there's quite an ugly bleak picture on the horizon now. do there's quite an ugly bleak picture on the horizon now.— there's quite an ugly bleak picture on the horizon now. do you think the labour on the horizon now. do you think the labour party — on the horizon now. do you think the labour party is _ on the horizon now. do you think the labour party is in _ on the horizon now. do you think the labour party is in any _ on the horizon now. do you think the labour party is in any position now. labour party is in any position now to criticise the government having supported are the measures, mostly health measures that they took in terms of supporting people through this very difficult time. there has been? �* ., , , ., , been? i'm not sure people really want of partisan _ been? i'm not sure people really want of partisan argument i been? i'm not sure people really want of partisan argument over. been? i'm not sure people really. want of partisan argument over how much _

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