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hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are anna mikhailova, deputy political editor and columnist at the mail on sunday and jonathan walker, political editor of the birmingham post and mail. welcome to you both. our front—pages, the pm pouring water on the prospect of a trade deal is the is top story. the same story in the i's top story. the same story in the guardian. along with a picture of borisjohnson and kamala harris. the times has this story. the telegraph leads on france potentially giving up its seat on the un security council to be replaced with the eu, in a push for european military integration. the battle to get a gp appointment is the metro row focus. it says one patient called 673 times to be told there were no slots available. testify 36 the ft says the international energy agency has urged russia to send more gas to europe to help alleviate the energy crisis. so an interesting picked bag. we will begin with what is happening in the us first of all, anna, the i, no deal with us on trade admits the prime minister. a trade deal that was much vaunted before brexit, with the united states, now looking like a remote prospect. some years down the line. ~ , , ., ., ., the line. absolutely, more and more remote indeed, _ the line. absolutely, more and more remote indeed, i— the line. absolutely, more and more remote indeed, i think _ the line. absolutely, more and more remote indeed, i think we _ the line. absolutely, more and more remote indeed, i think we spent - the line. absolutely, more and more remote indeed, i think we spent half a decade since 2016 thinking that, being told this is one of the big prizes, a stand alone deal with the us, and of course under president trump this was in the offering but borisjohnson has been quite keen to make very clear that there is not one imminently possible, and today didn't even, wouldn't answer questions on whether he thought it might happen by the next election, so, a lot of papers are leading with this almost plan b situation, where now, the focus might not be on the stand alone us uk trade deal but for the uk instead an existing pact between the us, mexico and canada, so obviously it is not quite the big prize that a lot of brexiteers would hope for. prize that a lot of brexiteers would ho -e for. �* prize that a lot of brexiteers would ho -e for. ~ g ., ., ., ., ., hope for. indeed. ajonathan, a lot of --eole hope for. indeed. ajonathan, a lot of peeple who _ hope for. indeed. ajonathan, a lot of people who wanted _ hope for. indeed. ajonathan, a lot of people who wanted to _ hope for. indeed. ajonathan, a lot of people who wanted to remain i hope for. indeed. ajonathan, a lot l of people who wanted to remain with the eu will say hold on a minute, we had a block on our doorstep with hundred of millions of people who could trade with us and now we are forming something across the atlantic. ~ ., , atlantic. well, that is the thing. if ou are atlantic. well, that is the thing. if you are going _ atlantic. well, that is the thing. if you are going to _ atlantic. well, that is the thing. if you are going to try _ atlantic. well, that is the thing. if you are going to try to - atlantic. well, that is the thing. if you are going to try to sign i atlantic. well, that is the thing. if you are going to try to sign al if you are going to try to sign a new_ if you are going to try to sign a new trade _ if you are going to try to sign a new trade deal with the united states. — new trade deal with the united states, or anybody really, arguably you are _ states, or anybody really, arguably you are in — states, or anybody really, arguably you are in a — states, or anybody really, arguably you are in a stronger position doing that if— you are in a stronger position doing that if you — you are in a stronger position doing that if you are part of a big trading _ that if you are part of a big trading block, if you are working side by— trading block, if you are working side by side with other major economies such as germany, france and the _ economies such as germany, france and the other eu nations but the uk's _ and the other eu nations but the uk'5 on — and the other eu nations but the uk'5 on its — and the other eu nations but the uk's on its own, it is trying to negotiate _ uk's on its own, it is trying to negotiate this deal on its own and boris _ negotiate this deal on its own and boris has — negotiate this deal on its own and boris has been up beat about achieving it in the past, but now he has had _ achieving it in the past, but now he has had to— achieving it in the past, but now he has had to admit it is unlikely to happen — has had to admit it is unlikely to happen. the conservative manifesto, in the _ happen. the conservative manifesto, in the last— happen. the conservative manifesto, in the last general election talked about— in the last general election talked about a _ in the last general election talked about a trade deal move, the us within— about a trade deal move, the us within three years of the last election. _ within three years of the last election, with if the tories won, weti— election, with if the tories won, well they— election, with if the tories won, well they have and it is not going to happen — well they have and it is not going to happen. but, in other respects he has a _ to happen. but, in other respects he has a few— to happen. but, in other respects he has a few things he can pointor, he can say— has a few things he can pointor, he can say he — has a few things he can pointor, he can say he has won victories in this us trip, _ can say he has won victories in this us trip, i— can say he has won victories in this us trip, i think. the submarine deal with the _ us trip, i think. the submarine deal with the us — us trip, i think. the submarine deal with the us and australia, and also getting _ with the us and australia, and also getting the us president to agree to open up _ getting the us president to agree to open up borders to allow vaccinated people _ open up borders to allow vaccinated people fine the us again, he has that to _ people fine the us again, he has that to boast about but critics of brexit _ that to boast about but critics of brexit will say this has proved, they— brexit will say this has proved, they were _ brexit will say this has proved, they were right to oppose brexit. let us _ they were right to oppose brexit. let us look— they were right to oppose brexit. let us look at the daily telegraph, and jonathan gps needless prescriptions push drugs bill to 9 billion, a report finds.— billion, a report finds. yeah, a shocking _ billion, a report finds. yeah, a shocking story _ billion, a report finds. yeah, a shocking story by _ billion, a report finds. yeah, a shocking story by the - billion, a report finds. yeah, a shocking story by the health . billion, a report finds. yeah, a - shocking story by the health editor of that _ shocking story by the health editor of that paper. one you have this sum of that paper. one you have this sum of money— of that paper. one you have this sum of money which is apparently going to waste _ of money which is apparently going to waste prescriptions, which are given— to waste prescriptions, which are given to — to waste prescriptions, which are given to people when they are not needed _ given to people when they are not needed in — given to people when they are not needed. in the sense the more shocking — needed. in the sense the more shocking element as set out in the story, _ shocking element as set out in the story, is— shocking element as set out in the story, is the — shocking element as set out in the story, is the fact patients are given— story, is the fact patients are given treatment which may not be treatment— given treatment which may not be treatment they really need, it is not what — treatment they really need, it is not what is best for them but patients— not what is best for them but patients are scared so the telegraph says and _ patients are scared so the telegraph says and i_ patients are scared so the telegraph says and i imagine a lot of readers will know— says and i imagine a lot of readers will know the feelings, they are scared — will know the feelings, they are scared to — will know the feelings, they are scared to confront their doctors, to ask too— scared to confront their doctors, to ask too many questions when they are told they— ask too many questions when they are told they have to have this medicine, theyjust accept it, because _ medicine, theyjust accept it, because they don't feel able to argue, — because they don't feel able to argue, what the government report found _ argue, what the government report found is— argue, what the government report found is the telegraph is telling us about— found is the telegraph is telling us about a _ found is the telegraph is telling us about a government inquiry and apparently this inquiry found in some _ apparently this inquiry found in some cases, exercise, fresh air, social, _ some cases, exercise, fresh air, social, talking to people, spending time with— social, talking to people, spending time with people might be more helpful, — time with people might be more helpful, but doctors are prescribing pills instead. find helpful, but doctors are prescribing pills instead-— pills instead. and the prime minister has _ pills instead. and the prime minister has been _ pills instead. and the prime minister has been saying . pills instead. and the prime l minister has been saying that pills instead. and the prime - minister has been saying that gps must start seeing people face to face again, but i wonder whether, contrary to whatjonathan says, i wonder how often gps feel under pressure to prescribe drugs as well. there could be a two pronged problem here, and how many of those drugs that get press cribs never get taken or thrown away. it’s that get press cribs never get taken or thrown away-— or thrown away. it's a good point. the statistics _ or thrown away. it's a good point. the statistics in _ or thrown away. it's a good point. the statistics in this _ or thrown away. it's a good point. the statistics in this report - or thrown away. it's a good point. the statistics in this report speak| the statistics in this report speak for themselves, the pressure would not have changed over the last few years, yet the number being prescribed by per person is i remember 20 per person annually now which has doubled in two decades, so thatis which has doubled in two decades, so that is a shocking stat. of course pressure on gps is huang but i don't think it would have challenged a dramatically, something else is going on i patients are saying they are not being listened to and that is slightly tallies with what we are seeing, the concerns on gps not seeing, the concerns on gps not seeing people in person, it is one can feed into the other, and the worry is if people are not getting face to face appointments they might feel over zoom it will be harder to get listened to and harder to get heard, so, ithink get listened to and harder to get heard, so, i think the, get listened to and harder to get heard, so, ithink the, what get listened to and harder to get heard, so, i think the, what you suggest about borisjohnson is he is saying gps need to start seeing people in person more, this report is more about prescriptions but it sounds like the, some of the factors play into each other here. thea;r play into each other here. they could be connected _ play into each other here. they could be connected easily. - play into each other here. they could be connected easily. let us stay with the daily telegraph, we have this story here, saying error means pensions underpaid by a billion pounds, which pensions, who is missing out this billion pounds, which pensions, who is missing ou— is missing out this is a shocking find big the _ is missing out this is a shocking find big the national— is missing out this is a shocking find big the national audit - is missing out this is a shocking find big the national audit off. is missing out this is a shocking| find big the national audit off fits commissioned a few months ago to look into concerns over people not being, to be underpaid their pension because of it error, it looks like hundreds of thousands of women, elderly married women have been underpaid their pensions to the tune of over £1 billion, it is really shocking, and hopefully we will get to the bottom of it and people will be paid what they are due. bind to the bottom of it and people will be paid what they are due. and the other, it adds _ be paid what they are due. and the other, it adds insult _ be paid what they are due. and the other, it adds insult to _ be paid what they are due. and the other, it adds insult to injury - other, it adds insult to injury really, because many women in older age haven't had the chance to gather as much pension if they have been carers, they have had other responsibilities, they are more likely to have taken time out from work and that can affect their pension of course.— work and that can affect their pension of course. clearly it can, and we also _ pension of course. clearly it can, and we also know— pension of course. clearly it can, and we also know there - pension of course. clearly it can, and we also know there is - pension of course. clearly it can, and we also know there is a - pension of course. clearly it can, l and we also know there is a group pension of course. clearly it can, - and we also know there is a group of women, _ and we also know there is a group of women, the — and we also know there is a group of women, the so—called waspi women who feel they— women, the so—called waspi women who feel they have been unfairly treated. _ feel they have been unfairly treated, their state pension has been _ treated, their state pension has been reduced in a way that was not explained _ been reduced in a way that was not explained to them, in advance and was unfair— explained to them, in advance and was unfair on them. that is a separate _ was unfair on them. that is a separate issue to this but i think it is something that affects the same — it is something that affects the same demographic as far as we can see, the _ same demographic as far as we can see, the older women and i think a lot of— see, the older women and i think a lot of people will feel they have been _ lot of people will feel they have been treated very unfairly after working — been treated very unfairly after working very hard for in some cases working _ working very hard for in some cases working very — working very hard for in some cases working very hard for in some cases working very hard for in some cases working very hard for very many years _ working very hard for very many years it — working very hard for very many ears. , , . working very hard for very many ears, , , . ., ' . years. it is such a difficult thing to check. _ years. it is such a difficult thing to check, often, _ years. it is such a difficult thing to check, often, anna, - years. it is such a difficult thing to check, often, anna, isn't - years. it is such a difficult thing to check, often, anna, isn't it, | to check, often, anna, isn't it, what your pension should be, have you been paid it properly, it's a convoluted process, particularly if you have to check it online and you are not confident about doing that. absolutely, it shouldn't require a degree to understand all this, it should be straightforward. there have been so many times pensioners have been so many times pensioners have been so many times pensioners have been tweaked and changed and chopped and changed over so many years now, to get your head round it and the rules changed, so the year as which people will been eligible for the state pension keeps going up and up, and asjonathan mentioned, the waspi women who were unfairly treated, and it is a shopping unfairness, purely really caused bier a system that was designed to introduce a change that ended up adversely affected so many women once again, and now this sounds a bit more like this is an it problem, as opposed to an, and something to do with human errors about the way it is intut putted and the report by national audit office actually says that the complexity of the current rules fed into why this could have happened, so, once again, ithink there this probably needs to be a focus on how to simplify the system and increase education about it, and make it much more accessible and much more easy to understand so people can monitor their finances and pension. let people can monitor their finances and pension-— and pension. let us look at the guardian jonathan, _ and pension. let us look at the guardian jonathan, starmer - and pension. let us look at the l guardian jonathan, starmer risks guardian jonathan, starmer risks civil war over guardianjonathan, starmer risks civil war over labour rule change, this is about how future party leaders will be selected. what is the proposal?— leaders will be selected. what is the --roosal? ~ ., ., , the proposal? well, the labour party i think at the proposal? well, the labour party i think at the — the proposal? well, the labour party i think at the moment _ the proposal? well, the labour party i think at the moment has _ the proposal? well, the labour party i think at the moment has a - the proposal? well, the labour party i think at the moment has a system i i think at the moment has a system called _ i think at the moment has a system called one _ i think at the moment has a system called one member one vote. where every— called one member one vote. where every party— called one member one vote. where every party memberand called one member one vote. where every party member and members of affiliated _ every party member and members of affiliated organisations such as trade _ affiliated organisations such as trade unions they vote in the most straightforward way for a leader, and, _ straightforward way for a leader, and. they— straightforward way for a leader, and, they keir starmer's proposal is to go— and, they keir starmer's proposal is to go back— and, they keir starmer's proposal is to go back to an old system that existed — to go back to an old system that existed in— to go back to an old system that existed in the past where labour had a complicated electoral college, i don't _ a complicated electoral college, i don't think that he, i don't think they— don't think that he, i don't think they have — don't think that he, i don't think they have quite now done exactly how this college would work but there would _ this college would work but there would be — this college would work but there would be free elements to it. there would _ would be free elements to it. there would be _ would be free elements to it. there would be the mp5, the party members and the _ would be the mp5, the party members and the trade unions and each of these _ and the trade unions and each of these three sections would have maybe _ these three sections would have maybe something like a third of the total between them. what ma means is, small— total between them. what ma means is, small group of mps have possibly as much— is, small group of mps have possibly as much say— is, small group of mps have possibly as much say over the next leader as all the _ as much say over the next leader as all the party— as much say over the next leader as all the party members or possibly as all the party members or possibly as all the _ all the party members or possibly as all the trade unions. it would give mps more — all the trade unions. it would give mps more say, is the gist of it. it is actually, — mps more say, is the gist of it. it is actually, as i said a similar situation _ is actually, as i said a similar situation to the system labour had in the _ situation to the system labour had in the past — situation to the system labour had in the past. now, the big elephant in the past. now, the big elephant in the _ in the past. now, the big elephant in the room — in the past. now, the big elephant in the room and it is not so much an elephant, _ in the room and it is not so much an elephant, it— in the room and it is not so much an elephant, it is— in the room and it is not so much an elephant, it is perhaps even more obvious— elephant, it is perhaps even more obvious than that, this is quite clearly— obvious than that, this is quite clearly designed to make it harder for somebody like jeremy corbyn to ever become leader ever again, because — ever become leader ever again, because giving the mp5 more say, we know that _ because giving the mp5 more say, we know that the mp5 would never have chosen _ know that the mp5 would never have chosen jeremy corbyn or somebody like him _ chosen jeremy corbyn or somebody like him as— chosen jeremy corbyn or somebody like him as a leader, whereas the party— like him as a leader, whereas the party membership did and possibly would _ party membership did and possibly would do _ party membership did and possibly would do it again. let _ would do it again. let us _ would do it again. let us look at the times, anna. story here, about police tackling m25 protestors set to be given more power, these are environmental protesters we have seen about a variety of different thing, some of them intent on being arrested because i think writing letters and waving banners isn't getting the message through about climate change. notjust change. not just writing change. notjust writing letters, so this is a group called insulate britain, they say ex theion rebellion is too moderate. they are known for crossing the line often with what is lawful to get attention and to raise awareness. and these activists are more bent on that and the story is that ministers are trying to give police more powers to be able to tackle this and be able to have greater powers of arrest, and, being able to actually do something about it when such a situation of the m25 being road blocked once again, comes across. jonathan, the patience is wearing thin with some people who feel the protestors, while they have a very clear message, they are too disruptive to parts of life when people are trying to get to work and thatis people are trying to get to work and that is exactly what they are trying to do, because you need to be as disruptive as you can so politicians will sit up and take notice. that that is exactly _ will sit up and take notice. that that is exactly right. _ will sit up and take notice. trust that is exactly right. we support the right— that is exactly right. we support the right to protest but when it -ets the right to protest but when it gets in— the right to protest but when it gets in the way of lives, when it makes — gets in the way of lives, when it makes life — gets in the way of lives, when it makes life hard we aren't so sympathetic but the protestors would say that _ sympathetic but the protestors would say that is _ sympathetic but the protestors would say that is why they need to make this extra — say that is why they need to make this extra effort, they need to make our lives _ this extra effort, they need to make our lives difficult for anybody to notice _ our lives difficult for anybody to notice what they are doing. a lot of people _ notice what they are doing. a lot of people would be amazed at the laws already— people would be amazed at the laws already in _ people would be amazed at the laws already in place aren't enough to prevent— already in place aren't enough to prevent people blocking the m25. i mean _ prevent people blocking the m25. i mean there are people, it is not 'ust mean there are people, it is not just people trying to get to work although— just people trying to get to work although if you can't travel round the m25, — although if you can't travel round the m25, i— although if you can't travel round the m25, i am not sure how much damage _ the m25, i am not sure how much damage that would do to the economy, to businesses, but it is going to cost _ to businesses, but it is going to cost the — to businesses, but it is going to cost the country a fortune, people trying _ cost the country a fortune, people trying to _ cost the country a fortune, people trying to get to their docks to, ambulances affected, all sorts of people _ ambulances affected, all sorts of people affected, and you know, i have _ people affected, and you know, i have to _ people affected, and you know, i have to be — people affected, and you know, i have to be honest, this is my personal— have to be honest, this is my personal view, have to be honest, this is my personalview, but, nobody is have to be honest, this is my personal view, but, nobody is going to see _ personal view, but, nobody is going to see what — personal view, but, nobody is going to see what is happening here, and see people — to see what is happening here, and see people blocking up the motorways, making life very difficult _ motorways, making life very difficult for people and say, i am going _ difficult for people and say, i am going do— difficult for people and say, i am going do more to help to save the planet— going do more to help to save the planet because hoff this, i will do more _ planet because hoff this, i will do more recycling. iwill write planet because hoff this, i will do more recycling. i will write to my mp because of climate change. i don't _ mp because of climate change. i don't think it will have that effect on anybody. it is strange the legislation or a

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