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Hello. Well be taking a look at tomorrow mornings papers in a moment first the headlines. Rising global Gas Prices ministers say theyve been assured theres no cause for immediate concern over the supply of gas. At least 4 Energy Companies are expected to go bust next week. University students who arent yet vaccinated are being urged to get their covid jab during freshers� week. Holiday firms say theyre seeing a surge in bookings, after the relaxation of Travel Restrictions in england. Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. With me are Broadcaster Lucy Beresford and Joe Twyman Director of the polling organisation deltapoll. Tomorrows front pages. Starting with. Dont panic declares the headline in the observer, which reports how the the government is scrambling to reassure the public that rising Gas Prices wont plunge the country into an energy crisis. The Sunday Telegraph says the new Foreign Secretary, Liz Truss, has waded into a diplomatic row over britains new Security Pact with the us and australia by insisting that freedoms need to be defended. Thats alongside its main Picture Story of strictly� s first male same sex pairing. Boris bid to level up The World is the sunday express� s take on the Prime Ministerflying out to new York Tomorrow to make a speech at the united nations. To new York Tomorrow to make the times focuses on the house of commons. Speakers anger as extremists terrorise female Labour Mp Rosie Duffield by forcing her to pull out of the labour party conference. Thats alongside what the paper reports as hopes of a cure of an aggressive form of breast cancer. The mirror speaks of a Wonder Drug Hope for Leeds Rhinos rugby legend, rob burrow, who has motor neurone disease. The paper says the drug has had dramatic results in american trials and quotes rob as saying hes a realist, but without hope there is nothing. So, lets begin. Right. If we start with the observer now. First of all, the message, dont panic about these fears over Gas Prices. If we start with you first of all, lucy. What are your thoughts . First of all, lucy. What are your thoughts . First of all, lucy. What are your thou~hts . ~. ,. , thoughts . Well, unfortunately, in british comedy thoughts . Well, unfortunately, in british Comedy History thoughts . Well, unfortunately, in british Comedy History dont thoughts . Well, unfortunately, in british Comedy History dont panici british Comedy History dont panic is infamous as the phase used in Dads Army to actually mean the opposite thing, which is to panic so, unfortunately, there is real concern about this incredible surge in Gas Prices. They have escalated 70 just in the last month. The government of at pains to say not only should we not worry about the supply of energy but actually that they have got everything in place to make sure that Fuel Poverty doesnt really affect many people that, actually, even if some of the Energy Companies go to The Wall, as he is expected, four have gone to The Wall in the last week, may be another four may go in the next week so the government wants consumers to know that their Energy Supply will be protected, but if they are struggling to pay their bills they will have lots of support so the problem is we do have a very particular perfect storm of things at the moment like maybe russia with holding some of the Gas Appliance which has led to an increase in prices, very little wind, which means that wind power, which really does boost the uks Energy Supply, that hasnt been available to us. All of those things have led to this perfect storm of not having very much gas around and what the opposition, what labour is saying is Government Havent really prepared in advance for something like this happening, so whilst we know that Black Swan episodes can occur, it is very possible that with the government focusing too much on hitting its renewables target it hasnt actually invested in long Term Storage for modern day technologies to be able to weather a storm like this which, perhaps, with climate change, also impacting on energy supplies, we might have more of these episodes in the future. Lucy, i want to comment on something you mentioned you refer to about, you mentioned you refer to about, you know, protecting customers. Joe, what the Business Secretary quietly quieting has been saying today is that protecting customers and consumers will be a priority. Do you think that is enough of a message or more action is needed or evidence of action needed kwasi kwarteng. {lit action needed kwasi kwarteng. Of course, he would say that, he is not going course, he would say that, he is not going to course, he would say that, he is not going to turn course, he would say that, he is not going to turn around and say domestic going to turn around and say domestic users of gas is doomed, that would domestic users of gas is doomed, that would be highly unlikely, but he is that would be highly unlikely, but he is doing what he can because actually he is doing what he can because actually the lever is my relatively limited actually the lever is my relatively limited and in a way it is not so much limited and in a way it is not so much about limited and in a way it is not so much about the issue now over the next couple much about the issue now over the next couple of weeks, it is about the issue next couple of weeks, it is about the issue as we go into winter because the issue as we go into winter because as the temperature for awesome because as the temperature for awesome and a lot of people start turning awesome and a lot of people start turning the heating up the implications for the Demand Gas become implications for the Demand Gas become huge it is not because just what become huge it is not because just what gas become huge it is not because just what gas is become huge it is not because just what gas is used for Domestic Homes although what gas is used for Domestic Homes although that is what the Business Sector although that is what the Business Sector is although that is what the Business Sector is focusing on instead what, although, sector is focusing on instead what, although, I Sector is focusing on instead what, although, i should say, additionally, of course, energy is used additionally, of course, energy is used to additionally, of course, energy is used to power Heavy Industry, one of the By Products of Heavy Industry is carhoh the By Products of Heavy Industry is Carbon Dioxide and a shortage of carhoh Carbon Dioxide and a shortage of Carbon Dioxide and a shortage of Carbon Dioxide caused by the shortage of gas has further implications for, for instance, the Federation Implications for, for instance, the federation of meat and there are descriptions in some of the Papers Today descriptions in some of the Papers Today that descriptions in some of the Papers Today that the Christmas Turkey may be cancelled because Abattoirs Cahhot be cancelled because abattoirs Cannot Slaughter Animals and further down the Cannot Slaughter Animals and further down the Supply Chain the Meat Cannot down the Supply Chain the Meat Cannot be down the Supply Chain the Meat Cannot be frozen and so the implications of this go far beyond domestic. Implications of this go far beyond domestic, domestic heating, although obviously domestic, domestic heating, although obviously that of the top priority for the obviously that of the top priority for the government, they say, at the moment, for the government, they say, at the moment, but how they deal with that remains moment, but how they deal with that remains to moment, but how they deal with that remains to be seen. And moment, but how they deal with that remains to be seen. Remains to be seen. And joe the Sto Er remains to be seen. And joe the stepper you remains to be seen. And joe the stopper you mention remains to be seen. And joe the stopper you mention about remains to be seen. And joe the stopper you mention about it. Remains to be seen. And joe the stopper you mention about it hitting the frozen few supply is on the front of the Sunday Telegraph which also has the heading justifies eu with vow to fight for freedom. So this is the Nato Deal and the diplomatic row involving france and the us. Do you think this is something that, you know, i want to ask you, is It Something that really engages with people or does it all seemed like a very remote, distance, just a diplomatic fracas . Just a diplomatic fracas . Well, i think that people just a diplomatic fracas . Well, i think that people do just a diplomatic fracas . Well, i think that people do recognise i just a diplomatic fracas . Well, i i think that people do recognise that there is a big stiff in the geopolitical tectonic plates, if you like, and that when america pulled out of afghanistan there was such Media Coverage of that and i think that did cross Peoples Radar so people will now look and they will see that it may very well be that america is repositioning itself towards that it actually wants to combat china. Towards asia. So i think people think ok, you have pulled out of afghanistan but now you want to show that you are talking tough when it comes to china and i think people might have a view on that, they might be sceptical about that, but it has to be said that this is actually, whether people are interested in it or not and, as Joe People are interested in it or not and, asjoe pointed out there, they might be more interested in whether they can pay their Fuel Bills are get their Christmas Turkey, but be under no illusions, in terms of global security, this latest development of the co alliance and the ageing on one deal of these submarines by the australians with the french in order to pick up a different deal with the us and the uk may have Security Implications for things like nato, for example. Who are currently really revealing as a result of this latest development. People have talked about maybe its being a huge rift within nato which could actually, again, have ramifications for global security. I think what is interesting is that Liz Truss who of course is the new Foreign Secretary is going to be going to the White House with borisjohnson tomorrow, i think, and she is very keen to hit the Ground Running in her new brief and make sure that we recognise that we, as a nation, can steal attempt to punch above its weight by making nimble alliances with different people. We have left the eu but we can actually have different alliances with different countries and, in a way, if the nation can actually get behind something like that it would actually be really powerful for those going forward. Lucy, you have actually brought us nicely onto the next story we are looking at which is the front of the sunday express, Boris Bid to level p sunday express, Boris Bid to level up The World which is that charm offensive, as it is calling it, on america involving borisjohnson. So, joe, what are your thoughts on that . Well, not content with having successfully levelled at the chin with no problems at all Boris Johnson is now turning his attention to the entire plant, bringing complete equality to every corner of the globe or alternatively he is just spending a quick line to attract a bit of attention that is very much for viewers at home to decide, i think. Very much for viewers at home to decide, ithink. But very much for viewers at home to decide, i think. But we are seeing is an attempt to place britain at the centre of global affairs. Liz truss has, as lucy referred to, written an article for tomorrows Sunday Telegraph talking about how she will fight for freedom and do whatever it takes and so she is putting her case across, having only been on the job of Foreign Secretary a matter of days but of course it is notjust domestic politics in this country that is important. It in france, for instance, there is no point pretending that this position fancies adopting doesnt play well domestically there are to talk about the concerns of nato, yes, that is true to an extent but it is worth remembering that france downgraded its Nato Membership under the goal in the 19605 and didnt make store full membership until 2009 under sarkozy and so the idea that francis flew it in its approach to Nato I5 Sarkozy and so the idea that francis flew it in its approach to nato is a bit short sighted anyway. The idea that France Isnt fluid in its approach to nato. Finally, the five Eye5 Approach to nato. Finally, the five Eyes Intelligence Sharing system which has been in place since the 19405 within america, australia, britain, New Zealand and canada is one of the strongest Intelligence Sharing systems in the entire world and so you could say that this expansion with submarines bought from britain rather than bought from france is simply an extension of an existing relationship. But, of course, it is a lot more complicated than that. There is a lot going on domestically, there is a lot going on internationally as well and everyone wants to look like they are doing the best possible thing that i country when they come out of this and borisjohnson wants to be seen as though he is doing the best thing for The World. As though he is doing the best thing for The World for The World. Speaking of People Emer in for The World. Speaking of People Emerging looking for The World. Speaking of People Emerging looking like for The World. Speaking of People Emerging looking like they for The World. Speaking of People Emerging looking like they have i for The World. Speaking of People Emerging looking like they have done the best they can, lucy, just briefly, something else on the front of the telegraph, gove in cabinet power grab. Michael gove has apparently dramatically expanded his Whitehall Empire so someone who has emerged from this Cabinet Reshuffle doing pretty well. Yes. Emerged from this Cabinet Reshuffle doing pretty well doing pretty well. Yes, although i also look at doing pretty well. Yes, although i also look at something doing pretty well. Yes, although i also look at something like doing pretty well. Yes, although i also look at something like this. Doing pretty well. Yes, although i j also look at something like this in terms of quite a lot of Playground Politics of it is a bit like being in the nursery, who has got the most toys, i got the train set no, youve got the building blocks. Itjust so happen, though, that Michael Gove who appears to have expanded his Whitehall Empire because his recent hiring is the appointment of Andy Halliday who was former Bank Of England Chief Economist and he is now going to be a Permanent Secretary under Michael Gove but he is both purporting to Michael Gove but also to the Prime Minister so hes going to be quite a busy man too but in politics, obviously, they are in the same Party And One would hope they would all have the same agenda going forward but privately everybody is jockeying for position because at some Point Borisjohnson may step down and at that point we want to know whether it is going to beat Michael Gove of Rishi Sunak or even List Fossil has got the biggest army behind them. Army behind them. Well, that is a lot to mull army behind them. Well, that is a lot to mull over. Army behind them. Well, that is a lot to mull over. Thank army behind them. Well, that is a lot to mull over. Thank you army behind them. Well, that is a lot to mull over. Thank you very L Lot to mull over. Thank you very much Lucy And Joan for your time this evening and for taking us through the papers. We will be back at Half Past 11 for another look at the papers but next up is click. Goodbye for now. Hello welcome to click. Hope youre doing ok. This week were going to be talking about Video Games but not perhaps in the way you might think. I dont know that you lover but my boy is now playing more games online with his friends which means i am having to think about the time he is going to play and who he is talking to online. Even at that stage yet . No, were not therejust to online. Even at that stage yet . No, were not there just yet but i hope that when the time comes she has just been through the nice, Light Hearted stuff. I hasjust been through the nice, lighthearted stuff. Hasjust been through the nice, lighthearted stuff. I really dont like shooting lighthearted stuff. I really dont like shooting games. Lighthearted stuff. I really dont like shooting games. Yes, lighthearted stuff. I really dont like shooting games. Yes, and l lighthearted stuff. I really dontl like shooting games. Yes, and we lighthearted stuff. I really dont like shooting games. Yes, and we do know that there are constant suspicions about links between violent games and violent people and thatis violent games and violent people and that is something that infuriates the Gaming Community but that is not actually what were talking about this week. Late actually what were talking about this week. ~. ,. ,. , this week. We are not Ust Talking About The Playing this week. We are not Ust Talking About The Playing of this week. We are not jUst Talking About The Playing of the this week. We are not jUst Talking About The Playing of the game this week. We are not just talking | about the playing of the game but also the chat that goes on alongside them. Now, that can be within the games are one of other Chat Platforms the games have open at the same time, and although a lot of the chatis same time, and although a lot of the chat is about Gameplay Orjust talking to your mates, popular platforms have historically also played host to more sinister conversations and even become places to recruit people into extremist groups. Late to recruit people into Extremist Urou S. ~. , to recruit people into extremist urous. ,. , groups. We oined forces with a urou groups. We oined forces with a arou of groups. We joined forces with a group of investigations groups. We joined forces with a group of investigations who groups. We joined forces with a L Group of investigations who have been watching game streams and listening to the conversations happening in the Gaming World and, as camelot explains, what they learned was a revelation. Today we are going to be exploring our Nazi Camp that we built. In fact, as i have been watching a spattering of games being played recently i have been horrified to learn just what a fertile ground for Extremist Culture they can turn out to be. Mainstream games, as well as some indian Custom Made Ones become places not only to play online but places not only to play online but places where like minded people meet, chat and posture. How about we try to win a Battle Royale across multiple games while chatting nationalism . This is mark collett, the founder of the white Nationalist Group patriotic alternative, talking to players on Call Of Duty. Its one of the many examples of what the team have come up with, representing just a taste of whats out there. Online gaming basically forms a means for people to connect over a shared hobby online. And this includes extremists, which can be really, really important in terms of advancing and furthering the Extremist Movement globally. Within these huge gaming platform, small but dedicated communities of extremists opportunistically use the chat, either built into the games or on sites popular with gamers to create a culture where extremist views can seem normal. Loser its not seig heiling, its not wearing swastikas or waving, you know, hitlerflags, its just like you do with your normal friends. You sit at home after school and you play games. And so i think the Gaming Element to it can create the sense that far right activism is just like any other activity that you enjoy. And of course, once youre in that world, then the radicalization can happen. Thats when all of a sudden youre starting to go to other meetings, just trying to go to smaller groups that arent necessarily playing games. But youre talking about politics more explicitly, like, at least with cod, they havent totally bent over to this, like, strong. Female lead characters in every military shooter. Unlike the, kind of, wider Gaming World where the better you are gaming, the more prowess you get, in this space, its not necessarily that people are just really happy or excited to play a game with a famous far right figure. And so it, kind of, almost works the opposite way around. In these, the extreme right wing have potentially found safe harbours to broadcast their ideology or to engage in more traditional propagandizing, the sorts of things that they would have done a few years ago on facebook, youtube and twitter. The topics are all too familiar misogyny, Anti Semitism and homophobia. But all of this does go beyond just community building. The gamers can build whole spaces where their far right fantasies can come alive. These are small and not played by a huge amount of people. But what they do allow extremists to do is to sort of create custom made role playing experiences, for you to live out your radicalised fantasies online, to do things like run a Concentration Camp or participate in a Terrorist Attack. So, do you guys think after hitler read the diary of anne frank, he started checking the attic . Im sure giggling these games which are setup, which allow you to fight against feminists or play as donald trump, you know, theyre sort of Dog Whistles or nudge, nudge, wink, wink, which advertise to other players that you might have a far right ideology. Although these numbers are small, the way it can play out is highly disturbing, such as the attack in christchurch, New Zealand. The killer filmed the massacre with a camera strapped to his head, mimicking the point of View Shot of a Video Game and then streamed the whole thing online. And, actually, so much does it look like Call Of Duty that far right figures have taken that footage and around it theyve placed the elements of a computer game. While many of these are now hard to find, it shows how games can be used to memorialize Terrorist Attack and reflect the ideologies of the far right. The wall just got ten feet taller. This isnt a straightforward story of how games produce terrorists. What we do have here is something more complex and subtle than that. Its about how games can be spaces which allow extremist communities to be sustained and to develop, especially in the face of increased enforcement from places like Facebook And Twitter. This isntjust about culture, though, its also about money. New research suggests that Streaming Propaganda on platforms popular with gamers can be used by extremists to monetize their audiences. How about a shirt, though . Some of the ways that you can get money on the Video Game Streaming World is through sponsorships with advertising. And thats kind of more i traditional ways of Making Money the newer way is to take donations directly. So you kind of cut out the middleman, take their donations directly. From the people watching you. This is interesting in the far right space because theyre not usually playing. The Video Games themselves. Theyre usuallyjust talking l or maybe they have a game going in the background. But thats not really why were there. I really, the reason theyre there is to to talk politicsl and to convey hate speech, to incite violence, things like that. The more incendiary my speech, the more money im going to make, you can kind of dial up and down the rhetoric and earn money. Im talking easily six figures by many of the creators that i looked at. So, thinking about probably ten of them in particular, that were earning more than 50,000 a year, some of them more than 10,000 a month. Megans research on this world of extremist streamers centred on us based dlive, who say theyve stopped the monetization of extremist speech, but the Practice Isnt restricted to one platform or one region. We approached the companies about what they were doing to deal with extremist content. Some of the games featured here were removed after we contacted them and others have been taken down after being on the platform for a while. But a bigger issue still remains, and the responses that we did receive were all very similar. They all reiterated that they have Zero Tolerance policies against hate and violent extremism of any kind, and they all proactively try to find and remove any content that violates their community guidelines. So, Gaming And Gaming platforms are being used by certain far right groups to make money, exert influence and build community. But the Big Question is how significant a threat this really is. Its so easy to turn around and say that this is, this is blown up, that this is, you know, exaggerated. And weve heard this before year after year that, you know, the threat of the far right isnt as big as everyone says is. The fact of the matter is, in the last three or four years, weve seen record numbers of terrorism arrests from the far right in the uk. Weve seen huge increased numbers in terms of young people and young far right groupings existing in the uk, many of which engage in gaming. And i think that thats probably one of the concerning trends which were seeing of gaming, right . Its just another avenue to easily reach young people, potentially vulnerable people, i to some of the most dangerous and violent ideologies which are which are l being spread currently. Any idea that these things are kind of overblown is a luxury. And id love it to be true. But the truth of the matter is far right politics kills people and it recruits people and it ruins peoples lives. And gaming is an element of which the far right using to do that right now. Carl, as always, an excellent investigation, thank you so much. That was a really difficult watch, i have to say, and my heart sinks that this stuff makes it so easily online. Is there is there any way of controlling this kind of thing . These are huge platforms. Theres all kinds of activities that happen on there. The vast majority of their use is completely benign. And it can be really overwhelming for any company really to try and accurately and reliably spot when theyre being misused in the ways that our programme highlights. Cant the platforms, whether its the Gaming Ones or the chat ones, Actuallyjust Look Out for trigger words . You can have a huge talk about hitler without anyone being radicalized. And Theres Plenty of radicalization that happens without mentioning hitler or really other kinds of like trigger word, Extremist Phrases as well. So you know that its never as simple as simply looking for the presence of some words within chats. Some of the companies that we saw in your report, Like Roblox and minecraft, are big. Theyve got money. Why are they not able to help themselves . All technology companies, whether its Roblox Or Facebook is kind of walking this kind of balancing act. On the one hand, youve got the kind of embarrassment and the harm from that platforms being misused on the other, the kind of Cost And Difficulty in enforcing it. And theyre all going to kind of arrive at some kind of weird point of least pain in the middle there where they kind of balance the kind of like the costs on the one side and the kind of public risks on the other. And i think currently right now itsjust less visible that this kind of stuff is happening on the gaming platforms. Theyve just had less embarrassment and less public exposure around it. Karl, thanks very much for covering this story for us, and thats it for the short cut of click for this week. The full Length Version is, of course, waiting for you right now on iplayer. As ever, you can keep up with a team on social media, find us on youtube, instagram, Facebook And Twitter bbcclick. Thanks for watching, bye bye. Hello, again. Though many view it has been a fine start to the weekend, dry with some spells of sunshine for many. However, the weather is certainly getting a lot wetter at the moment. We have got showers or longer outbreaks of rain pushing their Way North of the onto really quite heavy downpours but things will start to get a bit dry as we head into the very first part of Sunday Morning across western areas of Northern Ireland but otherwise expect rain at some point during the day. The rain will tend to push its way eastwards as it reaches its way eastwards as it reaches its way eastwards as it reaches eastern to halt. The amount of rain we get here is going to vary quite a bit from place to place but some could see as much as 30 or 40 millimetres of rain. That was not enough to cause some localised surface flooding. A5 enough to cause some localised surface flooding. As the west, because, it is increasing Weather Picture through the day with improving dry weather and increasingly sinise dies. A lot of dry weather with sunny spells in the day on tuesday. Low pressure then moves in Sunny Skies increasing. There will be gales later in the week as low pressure moves in. This is Bbc News with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around The World. The rift deepens between france and key western allies over a cancelled submarine contract, the french Foreign Minister saying relations with australia and the us are in crisis there has been lying, duplicity, major Breach Of Trust and contempt. This will not do. Things are not going well between us. Things are not going well between us. 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