Holiday firms say they expect a surge in bookings, after Travel Restrictions in england are relaxed. France is recalling its ambassadors to australia and the united states, in protest over a security deal, which includes the uk. Hello and welcome to political thinking. Now on Bbc News. Political thinking with nick robinson. Hello and welcome to political thinking. A conversation with someone who shapes our political thinking about what has shaped theirs, their background, their views and their values. No politician since Winston Churchill has had as many senior Jobs in the cabinet as my guest this week. Sajid javid replace Matt Hancock as Boris Johnsons week. Sajid javid replace Matt Hancock as borisjohnson� s Health-secretary'>Health Secretary. Before that, he himself has had to quit as chancellor after a spat with Dominic Cummings. He had also done a host of otherJobs. Home secretary, business secretary, Community Secretary and Culture Secretary as well. He revealed in a speech this week that his mum had said you may not be a doctor but at least you have got a Job in Health care. Sajid javid, welcome to political thinking. 50. Care. Sajid javid, welcome to political thinking. Care. Sajid javid, welcome to political thinking. Politicalthinking. So, your mum is a lace politicalthinking. So, your mum is a place that politicalthinking. So, your mum is a place that you politicalthinking. So, your mum is a place that you are politicalthinking. So, your mum is a place that you are not politicalthinking. So, your mum is a place that you are not only political thinking. So, your mum is| a place that you are not only Health-secretary'>Health Secretary but you kept your Job a place that you are not only Health-secretary'>Health Secretary but you kept yourJob in the reshuffle. She secretary but you kept your ob in the Reshufflefi Secretary but you kept your ob in the reshuffle. She was very pleased and like a lot the reshuffle. She was very pleased and like a lot of the reshuffle. She was very pleased and like a lot of asian the reshuffle. She was very pleased and like a lot of asian parents the reshuffle. She was very pleased and like a lot of asian parents i and like a lot of asian parents i think she wanted at least one of her sons to be a doctor and when i did call her when i first got this Job she said just that. Well, you never made it as gp but at least you are now working in Health care. I thought oh, well, thanks mum. The next best thing We Weighting by your phone this weeks or did you just think hes not going to change myJob now, ive onlyjust got a . When you hear the reshuffle may not happen once the reshuffle got going i dont think anyone realistically expected that myJob a change at 11 weeks or so on the Job. Expected that myJob a change at 11 weeks or so on theJob. I expected that my Job a change at 11 weeks or so on the Job. Weeks or so on the ob. I think it in a fairly weeks or so on the ob. 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Of Course i do and for anyone it is, it can be a very nervous day i it is, it can be a very nervous day and quite literally, i think, a lot of mps sitting by the bones and hoping it will ring and ring for the right reasons and, you know, i think every reshuffle i have ever seen and you have formally studied or more than i have, neck, but there will be some clear disappointments, surprises, shocks, but either a Prime Minister and whoever it is they have to make these decisions and pick the team gets on with the Job and i think that is what happened. Job and i think that is what happened Job and i think that is what hauened. ,. , happened. You have come here pretty much straight happened. You have come here pretty much straight from happened. You have come here pretty much straight from the happened. You have come here pretty much straight from the first happened. You have come here pretty much straight from the first new much straight from the first new cabinet so delivery is clearly the word and everybody� s mind at the moment. Did you ever expect to be Health-secretary'>Health Secretary after you quit as chancellor there were all sorts of Jobs mention view, chief of staff, this back, and i dont think i have heard it suggested youll be Health-secretary'>Health Secretary said it, as a shock . I cant say i expected it. All i was on the backbenches and i wasnt sitting there expecting to go back into cabinet any time soon and i was making my most of my time on the backbenches and doing a lot of stuff that otherwise i could have not have done. When matt got into trouble there was speculation i guess that started and i did get a couple of Phone Callsjust from started and i did get a couple of Phone Calls just from friends saying if matt doesnt stay you might get the coal so it did obviously get me thinking about it. I the coal so it did obviously get me thinking about it. Thinking about it. I need to think as this me. Thinking about it. I need to think as this me. Is thinking about it. I need to think as this me, is this thinking about it. I need to think as this me, is this the thinking about it. I need to think as this me, is this the sort thinking about it. I need to think as this me, is this the sort of. Thinking about it. I need to think| as this me, is this the sort ofJob i want to do . I as this me, is this the sort of 0b i want to doafi as this me, is this the sort of 0b i want to mi i want to do . I did, but i didnt have to think i want to do . I did, but i didnt have to think about i want to do . I did, but i didnt have to think about it i want to do . I did, but i didnt have to think about it for i want to do . I did, but i didnt have to think about it for long | have to think about it for long because by then we obviously all new, the whole country knew that what is more than Health . What allnew, the whole country knew that what is more than Health . What is more than Health . What was our own what is more than Health . What was your own early what is more than Health . What was your own early experience what is more than Health . What was your own early experience of what is more than Health . What was your own early experience of using l your own early experience of using the nhs . ~ ,. , y. , the nhs . Well, my first memory of the nhs . Well, my first memory of the nhs . Well, my first memory of the nhs was the nhs . Well, my first memory of the nhs was actually the nhs . Well, my first memory of the nhs was actually going the nhs . Well, my first memory of the nhs was actually going with the nhs . Well, my first memory of the nhs was actually going with my mum to the gp surgery, not because i was ill but because she needed someone to translate and so that was my first memory and they must have been about six, seven or eight. I can remember those times, happened many times. Fortunately, i havent beenin many times. Fortunately, i havent been in hospital much but only once. I was 89, had appendicitis and went to the hospital to have my appendix out and i remember it was so painful and my dad carrying me around and trying to distract me and it was so much pain and the ambulance, to get me. I dont really remember the operation and stuff. I remember Coming Home a week or so later and then being told i had to go back to again. I thought i was feeling but dont make much better, wide left to go back again . The vision i that the hospital and the surgeons thought that they. It sounds funny even to say now but they had, they had, they couldnt find instrument that they, when they had sought to finish the operation, and they thought they might have left an instrument inside me said they had to cut me open again to literally look to see if they had left an instrument inside me so it wasnt the best possible experience one could have of the nhs but it was many decades ago. find it but it was many decades ago. And it wasnt there . But it was many decades ago. And it wasnt there . It but it was many decades ago. And it wasnt there . It wasnt but it was many decades ago. And it wasnt there . It wasnt there but it was many decades ago. And it wasnt there . It wasnt there you L Wasnt there . It wasnt there you think they could wasnt there . It wasnt there you think they could have wasnt there . It wasnt there you think they could have done wasnt there . It wasnt there you think they could have done an wasnt there . 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Somebody resigns, golfer, culpa sajid. The other had three resigns people in the colonies to help out. I hope the economy because they thought i could do a good Job and in each when i have got something done and it comes and theres a bit frustrating because you are just getting going and some major reforms and things and then you get moved but that is the nature of our politics. I but that is the nature of our iolitics. , � ~ but that is the nature of our iolitics. , � ,. ,. , but that is the nature of our iolitics. , � i ,. ,. ,. , politics. I dont think you have had loner politics. I dont think you have had longerthan politics. I dont think you have had longer than two politics. I dont think you have had longer than two years politics. I dont think you have had longer than two years in politics. I dont think you have had longer than two years in any politics. I dont think you have had longer than two years in any Job, i j longer than two years in anyJob, i think i am right in saying. Longer than two years in any ob, i think i am right in saying. Think| am right in saying. Probably Home Secretary think| am right in saying. Probably Home Secretary is think| am right in saying. Probably Home Secretary is the think| am right in saying. Probably Home Secretary is the longest. Think| am right in saying. Probably Home Secretary is the longest. In i Home Secretary is the longest. In the big decision you had to take is the big decision you had to take is theJob you had the big decision you had to take is the Job you had always dreamt of as you loved economics and been successful in the city and made a lot of money you are one of these guys it was, as it were, cut out to be chancellor of the exchequer and you chose to close it. What was the Phone Call liked him on that occasion . 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What might ijust remember the vow that Dominic Cummings thought you should pick your advisors for you and you should be able to decide he was your chancellor, so much advise as chancellor, so much advise as chancellor because much advise as chancellor because much advise as chancellor because much advise as chancellor because mckee later tweeted that he texts Prime Minister into five new. Ile tweeted that he texts Prime Minister into five neve into five new. He actually wrote that if i into five new. He actually wrote that if | hadnt into five new. He actually wrote that if i hadnt tricked into five new. He actually wrote that if i hadnt tricked the into five new. He actually wrote i that if i hadnt tricked the thymus into five knew we would have had a useless if i hadnt tricked the Prime Minister into filing it we would have had a useless leaders of a Big Success. Would have had a useless leaders of a Big Success would have had a useless leaders of a Big Success. Had| a Big Success. That is his view. Had he took the a Big Success. That is his view. Had he took the prime a Big Success. That is his view. Had he took the Prime Minister a Big Success. That is his view. Had| he took the Prime Minister though . That is what he thinks but if i look back to that time i dont really know what is going on behind the scenes. As for mr cummings he is now not in Government And Ijust wish him all the best and getting on with myJob. Him all the best and getting on with m ob. �. , him all the best and getting on with mob. , my Job. Bomb the minute did Boris Johnson my Job. Bomb the minute did Boris Johnson come my Job. Bomb the minute did Boris Johnson come to my Job. Bomb the minute did Boris Johnson come to the my Job. Bomb the minute did Boris Johnson come to the same my Job. Bomb the minute did Boris Johnson come to the same view my Job. Bomb the minute did Boris Johnson come to the same view of| johnson come to the same view of Dominic Cummings that you have . I think we publish our views now . Voice might have you talked about it . No, we havent, there is no need to. That is behind us, completely behind us. To. That is behind us, completely behind us to. That is behind us, completely behind us. , i. , behind us. Lex look way beyond that, the reason you behind us. Lex look way beyond that, the reason you wanted behind us. Lex look way beyond that, the reason you wanted to behind us. Lex look way beyond that, the reason you wanted to be the reason you wanted to be chancellor in the first place. You are a star of economics at school and one thing we didnt discuss last time i spoke to you was the fact that you were trading in stocks and shares at a very young age, ilt, that you were trading in stocks and shares at a very young age, iii, is that might . Borrowing money from a friend of your dad in order to invest in the Stock Market . I wouldnt quite call it trading. I was buying shares in trying to make a bit of money out of them and that was when in the 19805 we had the big Privatisation Programme so i was, a lot of Advertising Campaigns about buying shares in British Gas or British Airways or bp or whatever. So it shouldnt have been tell said, it should have been tell sajid it could have been, actually, and i was listening to those advert5 in the first time i wanted to buy some of those shares i didnt have any money and my Dad Wasnt going to let me any money so i actually called up my dads bank, which is barclay5 any money so i actually called up my dads bank, which is barclays bank, because he had a shop then and i said mrjavid would like an 5aid Mrjavid would like an appointment knowing that they thought it would be my dad, i turn up thought it would be my dad, i turn up for the appointment and the Bank Manager says, where is your dad i said actually, this Mrjavid I5 Manager says, where is your dad i said actually, this mrjavid is may 5aid actually, this mrjavid is may and explained to him i wanted to borrow £500 to buy some shares and obviously he couldnt lend it to me because i was a 14 year old but he felt sorry for me and he said ill have a word with your dad and cut a long story short he basically per5uaded my dad saying that you know i think your son knows what hes doing here and it will be a good investment to lessen borrow £500 and that is what i did. find good investment to lessen borrow £500 and that is what i did. And you have described £500 and that is what i did. And you have described the £500 and that is what i did. And you have described the pleasure £500 and that is what i did. And you have described the pleasure you £500 and that is what i did. And you have described the pleasure you had finding herself at home during the pandemic, not really what you planned. What about being on the Back Benche5 that time . Wa5 adjustably frustrating . Resigned A5 Chancellorjust before adjustably frustrating . Resigned a5 chancellor just before the adjustably frustrating . Resigned A5 Chancellorjust before the pandemic began without knowing, of Course, that it was going to begin. Did you find yourself thinking i wish i was there, i want to take this decision is . ,. , ,. , there, i want to take this decision is . ,. ,. ,. , is . Yes, there was some frustration. Esieciall is . Yes, there was some frustration. Especially at is . Yes, there was some frustration. Especially at the is . Yes, there was some frustration. Especially at the parts is . Yes, there was some frustration. Especially at the Parts Dominic especially at the parts Dominic 5tarted especially at the Parts Dominic started the pandemic we could also see unfolding on our Tv Screens how 5ee unfolding on our Tv Screens how desperate situation it was in the country in the world and i had all this experience and i really wanted to help but i couldnt and they were all these big decisions to be made and, obviously, my colleagues in government were working incredibly hard doing just that but i found i was at home, you know, the biggest decision i was making was, you know, was Cooking Dinner and what is it Wa5 Cooking Dinner and what is it going to be . But it was, i accepted the situation and i tried to use that time constructively a5 the situation and i tried to use that time constructively as well as being able to do more with my constituency in brom5grove but also thinking about it is a real actual Learning Opportunity and that is why i took of a senior fellowship with the harvard kennedy school. That the harvard kennedy school. At harvard you look super didnt you harvard you look 5uper didnt you have the letters of the pandemic and a key le55on have the letters of the pandemic and a key lesson will be what, for a Future Pandemic . I a key lesson will be what, for a Future Pandemic . Future pandemic . I would say irobabl Future Pandemic . I would say probably the Future Pandemic . I would say probably the key Future Pandemic . I would say probably the key global Future Pandemic . I would say i probably the key global lesson, Future Pandemic . I would say probably the key global lesson, and this is going to be essential in the future is to have some kind of early warning systems so if 5omewhere Future is to have some kind of early warning systems so if somewhere in the world like we saw in wuhan at the world like we saw in wuhan at the start, something doesnt feel right, there are a lot of questions, a local epidemic, then those countries should have an obligation to report that, to seek help and then also i think there is a role for the international community to respond to that. So maybe like an imf Type Emergency Response system for future outbreaks. Bud imf Type Emergency Response system for future outbreaks. For future outbreaks. And G Used Words which for future outbreaks. And G Used Words which i for future outbreaks. And G Used Words which i later for future outbreaks. And G Used Words which i later apologised i for future outbreaks. And g used | words which i later apologised for about people not cowering from the virus and i know you didnt want to insult people who had lost Loved Ones but it seemed to be revealed something inside you that thought there was a danger of us Living In Fear rather than living with it. Is that might . Do you think we did too often live cowering in fear . Ida. Often live cowering in fear . No, that was the often live cowering in fear . Iirr, that was the Non Choice of word and that was the Non Choice of Word And Thatis that was the Non Choice of word and that is why apologised it for it but what i meant by that is no one should feel frightened of Covid 19 in the way we were in the early days because we have got vaccines, weve got te5ting, weve got surveillance, got te5ting, weve got surveillance, got treatment. And so it is away actually we want to reassure people that we have Tool5 Today that we didnt have even a year ago and therefore we can start to return to a new normal. Things are going to be quite exactly as they were before, some things as a result of this pandemic, working from home or things that wont return to exactly the way they were and that is fine but i just want the way they were and that is fine but iju5t want people to know that we have made a lot of progress together and we can keep it that way. Together and we can keep it that wa. ~. Together and we can keep it that wa , ~. ,. , together and we can keep it that wa. ,. , i. , way. We have talked quite a few times this way. We have talked quite a few times this week way. We have talked quite a few times this week on way. We have talked quite a few times this week on various times this week on various programmes and it seemed to be you look5 happiest when you are telling people how they werent going to live under the new restrictions. Now, in the past the Health-department'>Health Department was seen as the bits of the government fighting, be more cautious, have more restrictions, be more worried. Do you see it as part of yourJob now to say more worried. Do you see it as part of your Job now to say yet, more worried. Do you see it as part of yourJob now to say yet, take it seriously, have a plan for the worse, of Course, but i am 5omeone worse, of Course, but i am someone who believes in dont put on re5trictions if you dont have to do, dont give government a role it does need to have. My do, dont give government a role it does need to have. Does need to have. My 0b is not onl to does need to have. My 0b is not any to mint does need to have. My 0b is not only to think about does need to have. My Job is not only to think about covid19, only to think about Covid 19, because i am notjust the Covid 19 minister and what i mean by that . Fe5tival, i am the Health and social care 5ecretary. Help, there is a lot more than Covid 19. 0f care 5ecretary. Help, there is a lot more than Covid 19. Of Course, Covid 19 i5 more than Covid 19. Of Course, Covid 19 is hugely more than Covid 19. Of Course, Covid 19is hugely important, it remains hugely important, but think about all those lockdown5 we had, the social distancing and all of that and the other Health problems are created, the huge increase in mental Health problems. I mean, yesterday i was up in blackpool talking to the mental Health-trust'>Health Trust there and the huge increase that theyve seen in all sorts of problems especially amongst young people but also the heart disease, that wasnt diagnosed, the huge increase in undiagnosed cancer, and so we have to look at it in the van. In this Big 5peech so we have to look at it in the van. In this big speech he gave in blackpool this week he said Covid 19 was the disease of disparity. Now, thatis was the disease of disparity. Now, that is partly poverty. Sometimes people say it is raci5m too. Does the differential impact on non white people of Covid 19 reflect5 structural racism, in your view . Ida. Structural racism, in your view . No, i dont structural racism, in your view . No, i dont think structural racism, in your view . No, i dont think it structural racism, in your view . No, i dont think it is structural racism, in your view . Iirr, i dont think it is structural racism. I think there clearly is a disparity and the facts speak for themselves in terms of outcomes and how had Covid 19 hit certain Communities and in that 5peech how had Covid 19 hit certain Communities and in that speech i talked about how if you look at people who either fell ill through Covid 19 or ended up in Hospital 5adly died there was a disproportionate impact on people from black and minority ethnic Communities. But from black and minority ethnic Communities. From black and minority ethnic Communities. �. , Communities. But it was not racism . No, i think Communities. But it was not racism . No, i think they Communities. But it was not racism . No, i think they can Communities. But it was not racism . No, i think they can be Communities. But it was not racism . No, i think they can be many. Communities. But it was not racism . No, i think they can be many. I no, i think they can be many. I dont believe it is. I think they can be many reasons for that. So, for example, a disproportionate number of people from those Communities working from myJob so we may be more expo5ed Communities working from myJob so we may be more exposed to that, may be if you think about vaccine take up. Now, there is no racism, of Course, in our vaccine plans. Everyone is eligible. Something else in the Speech Everyone is eligible. Something else in the speech he everyone is eligible. Something else in the speech he talks everyone is eligible. Something else in the speech he talks about in the speech he talks about levelling up in Health and getting the Health-outcomes'>Health Outcomes of the people, reducing the gap in other words. Will that not in the end mean reducing economic inequality in using the power of the state and getting more money to councils and things that normally a55ociated wanting. To do . I3. Things that normally associated wanting. To do . Things that normally associated wanting. To do . P, i still think it is early wanting. To do . P, i still think it is early days wanting. To do . P, i still think it is early days for wanting. To do . P, i still think it is early days for how wanting. To do . P, i still think it is early days for how best wanting. To do . P, i still think it is early days for how best to l wanting. To do . P, i still think| it is early days for how best to do it is early days for how best to do it when he talks about the Health-outcomes'>Health Outcomes of covid and the higher Cancer Rates in the higher Obe5ity Rate5 Cancer rates in the higher obe5ity rates and addiction Rate5 Cancer rates in the higher obe5ity rates and addiction rates they are actually the same parts of the country and some of them havent even changed A Hundred years. I was in blackpool, they say, the other day, and there has been significant Health-disparity-i5'>Health Disparity I5 day, and there has been significant Health-disparity'>Health Disparity is there going back 100 years and so i think there are, first of all, that to me means it must be addressed and it is not going to change overnight but there is a real structural problem and a true structural problem that needs to be addressed but also i think it will need to better economic outcomes as well because it is also clear that your Health. 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I can make people think they are more likely to say likely to say. I think you with a Health'>Labour Health likely to say. I think you with a labour Health-secretary'>Health Secretary likely to say. I think you with a labour Health-secretary'>Health Secretary would j likely to say. I think you with a labour Health-secretary'>Health Secretary would say Poverty A5 Labour Health-secretary'>Health Secretary would say poverty as part of the reason we are committed to reducing poverty but there are other things a government can do. You are recommended not so many weeks ago before you became Health-secretary'>Health Secretary of a book commissioned by the government saying one of the big diseases of poverty, the city, the way to deal with it is a Salt And Sugar tax, get the rubbish out of our diet so much food that contributes to people getting Fat And Boris food that contributes to people getting Fat And Bori5johnson ju5t di5missed getting Fat And Bori5johnson ju5t dismissed it out of hand. 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Get a bit of a way of the real focus understandably at the time . Get a bit of a way of the real focus understandably at the start i time . Get a bit of a way of the real| focus understandably at the start of focu5 understandably at the start of my newJob has been around pandemic and making some of those big decisions but in the background there is a lot of work going on especially around Health disparities . Im going to be looking at all of that carefully. At all of that carefully. When you in this new at all of that carefully. When you in this new cabinet at all of that carefully. When you in this new cabinet describes at all of that carefully. When you | in this new cabinet describes what it wants to do sometimes you make your own party pretty nervou5. Tap your own party pretty nervous. Tax rises the your own party pretty nervous. I gz; rises they hear of your own party pretty nervous. I conservative. In doing it in a way where you are notjust going to be endlessly Borrowing And Borrowing to do that but doing it in a fi5cally sustainable way with a very conservative way to do it. Put Taxes U i conservative way to do it. Put Taxes U to ia conservative way to do it. Put Taxes Up to pay for conservative way to do it. Put Taxes Up to pay for what conservative way to do it. Put Taxes Up to pay for what you conservative way to do it. Put Taxes Up to pay for what you spend . Conservative way to do it. Put Taxes Up to pay for what you spend . Butl up to pay for what you spend . But another up to pay for what you spend . Iei,ii another way could have been to say were just going to keep borrowing this money if we are, borrow 12 Billion a yearfor an this money if we are, borrow 12 Billion a year for an indefinite period and that is. That is not fi5cally period and that is. That is not fiscally responsible, it is not a conservative value to do it that way. Looking after the elderly, making sure that people know and i giving incentives to say, safety is a conservative way and that is what the new cap and social care Will Help Achieve Drift I5 the new cap and social care Will Help Achieve drift is a conservative way. If everyone knows the maximum cost they face in a lifetimes of 85,000 a year they can plan for that. So planning and saving for your future. Share plan for that. So planning and saving for your future. Are you sa in saving for your future. Are you saying and saving for your future. Are you saying and It Saving for your future. Are you saying and it sounds saving for your future. Are you saying and it sounds like saving for your future. Are you saying and it sounds like you i saving for your future. Are you i saying and it sounds like you are that to become a bit fashionable particularly on the right 5imply that to become a bit fashionable particularly on the right simply to associate mi55e5 that to become a A55ociate Mi55e5 that to become a bit fashionable particularly on the right 5imply bit fashionable particularly on the right simply to associate Mrs Thatcher with low taxes where is the unit was about what she used to call Sound Money, running the finances in a safe and secure way and therefore a safe and secure way and therefore a Tax Ri5e5 actually thatcherite because it is about Sound Money . That is your way of putting it but i think Sound Money has always, long been a conservative principle. Protecting our institution is a conservative principle, encouraging people to plan financially for their own cancer, features people to plan financially for their own cancer, Feature5 Conservative Principle and thats what i can also completely understand if you want to see taxes lower than otherwise. Ianthem see taxes lower than otherwise. When Ou Run for see taxes lower than otherwise. When yOu Run for labour see taxes lower than otherwise. When yOu Run for labour you see taxes lower than otherwise. When yOu Run for labour you yourself said i a Latex Conservative and said if youre going to cut the top rate of tax when yOu Run for leader. I am tax when yOu Run for leader. I am and my Colleagues Tax when yOu Run for leader. I am and my colleagues want tax when yOu Run for leader. I am and my colleagues want to tax when yOu Run for leader. I n and my colleagues want to see taxes as low as they can be and a5 and my colleagues want to see taxes as low as they can be and as our economy recover5, as we as low as they can be and as our economy recovers, as we start to see a strong recovery and stay that way and strongest recovery in the g7 next year as we recover, that economic growth i hope can allow us to reduce taxes in the Future And Thatis to reduce taxes in the future and that is a future decision for the chancellor and things butjust chancellor and things but just because chancellor and things butjust because we have had to make these things and decisions in the last few days and weeks about the nhs and how were going to support it doesnt mean to say we have given up on making sure taxes are as low as possible. 0ther making sure taxes are as low as possible. Other things now every day as Health-secretary'>Health Secretary where you are saying the data come and warnings at other times when it is hard to sleep at night because she thinks i so hope that wouldnt happen because that would be really grim . Frankly i dont have a Problem Sleeping that i know what you mean. You know don might learn a lot and in this Job, this particularJob i have now, understanding, especially on the pandemic, there are things that have already been moments where you learn something and you think while, how are we going to deal with that . I give you an example i have talked about publicly. They could be a vaccine escaped variance at some point and that is a risk of the world. If that happens, as it sounds, you know, our current Vaccines Work will be changed things and it will take time to what we do in the meantime . And that is something that any Health-minister'>Health Minister Around The World we have seen this impact of covid safe the things that are just so uncertain what we have to plan in the very best way that we can. ~ ,. ,. To plan in the very best way that we can. ~ ,. , , to plan in the very best way that we can. When you see these ambulances havin to can. When you see these ambulances having to queue can. When you see these ambulances having to queue up can. When you see these ambulances having to queue up outside can. When you see these ambulances having to queue up outside scottish i having to queue up outside scottish hospitals where cases are gone faster, there must be a danger that that happens in england under your watch to . ,. , watch to . Look, we are entering all summer and watch to . Look, we are entering all Summer And Winter watch to . Look, we are entering all Summer And Winter and watch to . Look, we are entering all Summer And Winter and not watch to . Look, we are entering all Summer And Winter and notjust Summer And Winter and not just Covid 19 Summer And Winter and Notjust Covid 19 influenza viruses, love that time of year and lets hope that time of year and lets hope that we can all remember times when there was no Covid 19 and we would still have a big challenge for the nhs in the winter. So that it is very much at the top of your mind and working with my colleagues and nhs making sure you have got the support they need. She nhs making sure you have got the support they need. Support they need. She is outside ana could happen support they need. She is outside ana could happen in support they need. She is outside ana could happen in england, ana could happen in england, ambulances having. I ana could happen in england, ambulances having. Ana could happen in england, ambulances having. I hope not but it is my Job ambulances having. I hope not but it is my Job to ambulances having. 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You told us he did some serious work, some i he did some serious work, some studying, if you like. Did you do anything in the pandemic, learn to bake or learn a language of the piano or a Box Set of your favourite . Star trek, was the chance to. I favourite . Star trek, was the chance to. �. Favourite . Star trek, was the chance to. �. ,. , favourite . Star trek, was the chance to. �. ,. , i to. I didnt watch much star trek. I did to. I didnt watch much star trek. I did watch to. I didnt watch much star trek. I did watch a to. I didnt watch much star trek. I did watch a lot to. I didnt watch much star trek. I did watch a lot of to. I didnt watch much star trek. I did watch a lot of other to. I didnt watch much star trek. I did watch a lot of other box to. I didnt watch much star trek. I did watch a lot of other Box Sets i i did watch a lot of other Box Sets and i did watch Dominic Cook a lot more, especially collies. Not much baking and certainly a lot of cooking and pasta, one or two really good Pasta Dishes which my children actually want me to cook it again but i havent been able to do it for 12 weeks now so i managed to do things that i didnt think i would find time for, of Course. I things that i didnt think i would find time for, of Course. Find time for, of Course. I dont think you find time for, of Course. I dont think you will find time for, of Course. I dont think you will have find time for, of Course. I dont think you will have time find time for, of Course. I dont think you will have time for find time for, of Course. I dont think you will have time for a i think you will have time for a while. Thank you very much regarding the political thinking. What makes Sajid Javid such an important member of boris Sajid Javid such an important member of Bori5johnsons Cabinet is that in many ways he embodies the tension, the contradiction, into wings of conservativism. 0n the one hand, he came into politics as a thatcherite, a man who believed in a small state and lower taxes and lower spending, small state and lower taxes and lowerspending, on small state and lower taxes and lower spending, on the other, he now presides over a department in which his conclusion is more has to be done to reduce inequality, more has to be done to deal with what he calls the disease of disparity. How he, how the five minutes to resolve those tensions, will settle the shape of politics. How the Prime Minister resolves those tensions. But is it for this edition of political thinking. Thanks for watching. Hello, there. Many of us have had a dry day with some sunshine coming through. The best of it across Eastern Areas, really, butjust recently, we started to see in big showers and thunderstorms spoke out across wales and the midlands. These Push Northwards and a band of really heavy but short lived rain is heading its way eastwards across northern ireland. So there will be some heavy downpours around overnight tonight. The rain still yet to reach the East Midlands and Eastern Areas of england. As we go through sunday this area ranges going to push its way eastwards. It will become slow moving across eastern england to the afternoon bringing a risk of some localised Surface Water Flooding in the amount of rain we will see will vary a lot from database but some could see 30 or a0 millimetres whereas at west the afternoon is looking drier and sunnier. Into next week a quiet start to the new week. Most of us having some dry weather with some spells of sunshine but it wont stay that way. 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