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On with all students is do take the opportunity to get vaccinated. We know that vaccinations are the best protection that individuals can take. Its the best protection for the University Community as a whole. Many universities will still ask students to wear masks and will manage timetables to avoid overcrowding. Nhs teams hopeful that, coupled with increased vaccination, will not only maximise student enjoyment, but also reduce pressure on services as we go into the winter months. Megan patterson, Bbc News. Now its time for a look at the weather with stav. Hello there. Weve done pretty well with the sunshine today, plenty of areas were dry, fine, quite warm for central, southern, eastern england, but well continue to see the chance of heavy showers and thunderstorms through the midlands this evening and into the first part of the night. Its not been sunny everywhere, we have had this weak Weather Front bringing more cloud to southern scotland, northern england, wales and the south west. These Weather Fronts will start to reinvigorate as we move through the night. The showers and storms through the midlands fade away, but it is out west where we see to see these Weather Fronts bringing more persistent and at times heavy rain, but the eastern side of england will stay dry, quite mild and muggy here, but further north a bit fresher, particularly where we have any clear spells across the far north of scotland. So for part two of the weekend, we have more Weather Fronts round, so its going to be cloudier generally, certainly to start the day, with outbreaks of rain, some of it quite heavy. The rain, though, becomes confined towards the eastern side of the country through sunday afternoon, particularly eastern england, some heavy thundery bursts. Meanwhile, it brightens up out west, so a better day for wales with some sunshine, one or two showers, though not quite as warm as what well see today. Hello, this is Bbc News. The headlines. Worries over the soaring price of gas. The governments holding urgent talks with Energy Industry bosses. Its one of those hidden things that has immense repercussions right the way through the sector and i really do think this is a crisis. Holiday firms say they expect a surge in bookings after Travel Restrictions in england are relaxed. France is recalling its ambassadors to australia and the united states, in protest over a Security Deal which also includes the uk. Us armed forces apologise for their tragic mistake, after killing ten innocent people, including children, in a Drone Strike during their final days in afghanistan. Strictly� S Back but theres controversy as reports suggests that two of the show� s professional dancers are refusing to get covid jabs. Now on Bbc News, its hardtalk, with Zeinab Badawi. Welcome to hardtalk with me, Zeinab Badawi. My guest in this exclusive interview is one of the queens of fashion, the british model, Naomi Campbell. In a Landmark Announcement that has the Royal Seal of approval, she becomes the Platinum Jubilee globaL Ambassador for the Queens Commonwealth Trust. How will this new Role Fit in with her activism for greater Equality And Diversity . What motivates Naomi Campbell to keep on pushing boundaries . Naomi campbell, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you, Zeinab Badawi for having me. Great to see you. Get to see you too. What does your new role as Platinum Jubilee ambassador for the green� s Commonwealth Trust entail . What will you do . Really, its similar to what i have been doing except its going to be adding a few different countries, ones i have been working with already. The young generation, young businesses, supporting, guiding, mentoring and just uplifting those countries and, you know, i love doing that, so its really, its an honour to have this role. And im looking forward. Were you surprised when you were given the honour . Yes, very much so. Why were you surprised . I dont know, i really do you just stay in my day, and i was very surprised. Its always, i think, and honour when your country of origin asks you to do something. The focus of the Queens Commonwealth Trust list which will you be focussing on . Education i already do, so for sure we will want to further that because thatis we will want to further that because that is important for the young generation, worldwide. Agriculture, tourism, for me, its, you know, i work with young creatives any way, and in africa so really it is for Me Enhancing that, and, having a great support team, with the commonwealth and all the other people that make it up the commonwealth, to support me, we can push further and harder in getting these things achieve, because what is amazing it is voltaire, so everyone is there because they want to be there, and, i think the supporting right now, is so important with everyone being so isolated. ,. , ~. , isolated. You mention africa and i know ou isolated. You mention africa and i know you visited isolated. You mention africa and i know you visited africa isolated. You mention africa and i know you visited africa a isolated. You mention africa and i know you visited africa a great isolated. You mention africa and i l know you visited africa a great deal before lockdown and you have said in the past, ifeeljamaican but i also feel African, the past, ifeeljamaican but i also feel African. The past, i feeljamaican but i also feel African, there the past, i feeljamaican but i alsoj feel African, there are feel African, absolutely. There are desi. Ners feel African, absolutely. There are designers who feel African, absolutely. There are designers who say feel African, absolutely. There are designers who say you feel African, absolutely. There are designers who say you have feel African, absolutely. There are designers who say you have done l feel African, absolutely. There are| designers who say you have done a great deal to support African fashion, so when you are doing this work on behalf of the Commonwealth Trust, the Queens Commonwealth Trust, the Queens Commonwealth Trust, is africa going to be a big, important area for you and why is it so important . So important . Africa will always remain important so important . Africa will always remain important for so important . Africa will always remain important for me, so important . Africa will always remain important for me, and l so important . Africa will always l remain important for me, and so, so important . Africa will always i remain important for me, and so, i will continue doing what i do for africa, as well as the inclusion of all the other countries that make up the commonwealth. Also my heritage country, jamaica. You get to a certain point in your life, that you realise that you can use your platform, and you should share your platform, and you should share your platform, and you should share your platform, and you should make your platform, and you should make your platform transcend for others, so thatis platform transcend for others, so that is really, ifeel, i mean i havent been given a particular Hand Book of how i do this new role, but i feel it is just going to be similarFrom what i i feel it is just going to be similar From what i have i feel it is just going to be similarFrom what i have been doing, From what i learned, From our great wonderful madiba. You From what i learned, From our great wonderful madiba. From what i learned, From our great wonderful madiba. You are referring to Nelson Mandela wonderful madiba. You are referring to Nelson Mandela who wonderful madiba. You are referring to Nelson Mandela who referred wonderful madiba. You are referring to Nelson Mandela who referred to. To Nelson Mandela who referred to yous as his honorary granddaughter. You say you want to use this as a platform, is this the right platform for you . Platform, is this the right Platform Foryou . Let platform, is this the right platform for you . Let me tell you what Philip Murphy here says about the commonwealth. He says it is very good at pumping out the lovely Candy Floss Sound Bites about how lit solve world peace, save the Rainforest And End World Poverty but you ask the question, what have you actually achieved in when you and you are faced with shocked silence. Does the commonwealth give you much to do . I does the commonwealth give you much to do . , does the commonwealth give you much to do . ,. , does the commonwealth give you much to do . , to do . I mean, me, as a person, i feel like, to do . I mean, me, as a person, i feel like, all to do . I mean, me, as a person, i feel like, all who to do . I mean, me, as a person, i feel like, all who know to do . I mean, me, as a person, i feel like, all who know me, to do . I mean, me, as a person, i. Feel like, all who know me, whether you know me or you dont know me, you know me or you dont know me, you know me or you dont know me, you know i am a person of action, so if am going to commit myself to any type of organisation worldwide, it is because i am willing to do the work. Otherwise i wouldnt be there, i wouldnt be committed, or sitting here. Is i wouldnt be committed, or sitting here. ,. ,. ,. , here. Is the commonwealth the right vehicle for you . Here. Is the commonwealth the right vehicle for you . Some here. Is the commonwealth the right vehicle for you . Some feel here. Is the commonwealth the right vehicle for you . Some feel it here. Is the commonwealth the right vehicle for you . Some feel it is here. Is the commonwealth the right vehicle for you . Some feel it is a vehicle for you . Some feel it is a post imperial relic. I vehicle for you . Some feel it is a post imperial relic. Post imperial relic. I feel it is because these post imperial relic. I feel it is because these are post imperial relic. I feel it is because these are countriesl post imperial relic. I feel it is i because these are countries are post imperial relic. I feel it is because these are countries are care about, so it gives me a platform that i can now go in there and really try and get things done and bring ideas of the young generation to the forefront and see it through From a to z. To the forefront and see it through From a to 2 From a to z. That is the commonwealth From a to z. That is the Commonwealth Bit From a to z. That is the Commonwealth Bit of i From a to z. That is the i Commonwealth Bit of the From a to z. That is the Commonwealth Bit of the queens Commonwealth Bit of the Queens Commonwealth Trust, but how do you reconcile the bit that says the queen. You know there is a live debate in the caribbean in your own country of origin, jamaica about whether they should lose the queen as head of state. Barbados does at the end of november. Caroline cooper says it is high time forjamaica to complete the emancipation From the british monarchy. Silt complete the emancipation From the british monarchy. British monarchy. Silt a very tough auestion british monarchy. Silt a very tough question to british monarchy. Silt a very tough question to ask british monarchy. Silt a very tough question to ask me british monarchy. Silt a very tough question to ask me but british monarchy. Silt a very tough question to ask me but i british monarchy. Silt a very tough question to ask me but i feel british monarchy. Silt a very tough question to ask me but i feel with | question to ask me but i feel with myjamaican Heritage Question to ask me but i feel with my jamaican heritage that question to ask me but i feel with myjamaican Heritage Thatjamaica is independent any way, mine they have there, they have their independence, but i guess they want to be completely free From the british colony, or colonisation. You know, i feel that 2a goes into a deeper conversation and i feel that the whole Windrush Scandal Hasnt really helped that situation for them feeling like they were treated fairly in that way, of being embraced. Fairly in that way, of being embraced. ,. ,. , embraced. You mentioned the windrush scandal, the embraced. You mentioned the windrush scandal. The ship embraced. You mentioned the windrush scandal, the ship that embraced. You mentioned the windrush scandal, the ship that brought embraced. You mentioned the windrush scandal, the ship that brought many scandal, the ship that brought many immigrants into the united kingdom From the caribbean in the 50s. I can understand, it is no shock to me but i understand where the Hurt And Frustration comes From. But i understand where the Hurt And Frustration comes From. Because the Descendants Frustration comes From. Because the descendants of frustration comes From. Because the descendants of those frustration comes From. Because the descendants of those original descendants of those original windrush immigrants, some were told they had no right to Renon In the united kingdom when they had been born around bread here, you think that had a direct impact. . I do believe so that had a direct impact. . I do believe so your that had a direct impact. . I do believe so your great that had a direct impact. . I do i believe so your great grandparents came over believe so your great grandparents came over. Absolutely. Believe so your great grandparents came over. Absolutely. Did believe so your great grandparents came over. Absolutely. Did you believe so your great grandparentsl came over. Absolutely. Did you feel ersonall came over. Absolutely. Did you feel personally affronted . Came over. Absolutely. Did you feel personally affronted . I came over. Absolutely. Did you feel personally affronted . I was came over. Absolutely. Did you feel personally affronted . I was invited l personally affronted . I was invited to number ten personally affronted . I was invited to number ten for personally affronted . I was invited to number ten for an personally affronted . I was invited to number ten for an event personally affronted . I was invited to number ten for an event after l personally affronted . I was invited i to number ten for an event after the mistake of being, a mistake on how shall we say a faux pas, i refused because i felt like i had been used, let us get Naomi Campbell here it will make it look like it is ok if she comes. I will never go against my people. She comes. I will never go against my people she comes. I will never go against m neole. , my people. That is when Theresa May was prime minister. My people. That is when Theresa May was prime minister. Yes, my people. That is when Theresa May was prime minister. Yes, so my people. That is when Theresa May was prime minister. Yes, so i was prime minister. Yes, so i refused and was prime minister. Yes, so i refused and said was prime minister. Yes, so i refused and said no was prime minister. Yes, so i refused and said no thank was prime minister. Yes, so i l refused and said no thank you, was prime minister. Yes, so i i refused and said no thank you, i was prime minister. Yes, so i refused and said no thank you, i am not going to attend, and did go, quietly, to see Theresa May, before she left number ten, and you know, she left number ten, and you know, she made it, she wasnt acting like she made it, she wasnt acting like she knew she had done something, a mistake, and upset a lot of people and hurt a lot peoples feelings but it is also, you have to remember this the their foundation of where they came Froms, in coming to this country, so it was deep, it was a very deep wound that she opened. Right. And look, another issue that is being discussed across the caribbean, Including Injamaica and the coalition of caribbean states, supports reparations and the jamaican Ministerfor Youth supports reparations and the Jamaican Minister for Youth And Culture says we are hoping for Repertory Justice Culture says we are hoping for repertoryjustice in all forms, so following that idea of redress, would you like to see reparations for slavery . Would you like to see Reparations Forslave Y f for slavery . Absolutely 10096. There should be reparation, for slavery . Absolutely 10096. There should be reparation, why for slavery . Absolutely 10096. There should be reparation, why not . For slavery . Absolutely 10096. There should be reparation, why not . Why cant we go to the hague and get reparations . 50 cant we go to the hague and get reparations . Cant we go to the hague and get re arations . ,. ,. , , reparations . So you are representing the queens reparations . So you are representing the Queens Commonwealth reparations . So you are representing the Queens Commonwealth Trust reparations . So you are representing| the Queens Commonwealth Trust has the Queens Commonwealth Trust has the i globaL Ambassador yet you want in her Majestys Name to see the reparations. In her Majestys Name to see the reparations. In her Majestys Name to see the reparations. Believe there should be reparation. Reparations. Believe there should be reparation, other reparations. Believe there should be reparation, other cultures reparations. Believe there should be reparation, other cultures have| be reparation, other cultures have Got Reparation. You be reparation, other cultures have Got Reparation Got Reparation. You dont see any contradiction Got Reparation. You dont see any contradiction there . Got reparation. You dont see any contradiction there . Well, Got Reparation. You dont see any contradiction there . Well, Otherl Contradiction there . Well, other cultures have contradiction there . Well, other cultures have had contradiction there . Well, other cultures have had it contradiction there . Well, other cultures have had it and. Contradiction there . Well, other cultures have had it and. You. Cultures have had it and. You know, for it, for what they have been through. For the lives that were ruined. I dont see why they shouldnt. , were ruined. I dont see why they shouldnt were ruined. I dont see why they shouldnt. ,. ,. ,. , ~ shouldnt. 0k. Fair enough. So look, there will be shouldnt. 0k. Fair enough. So look, there will be a shouldnt. 0k. Fair enough. So look, there will be a lot shouldnt. 0k. Fair enough. So look, there will be a lot of shouldnt. 0k. Fair enough. So look, there will be a lot of interest there will be a lot of interest generated by this announcement you are the Platinum Jubilee ambassador marking the queens Platinum Jubilee. I marking the queens platinum ubilee. , ~ marking the queens platinum ubilee. , ~. ,. Marking the queens platinum ubilee. ~. ,. , jubilee. I was thinking today, Am I Auoin to jubilee. I was thinking today, am i going to have jubilee. I was thinking today, am i going to have an jubilee. I was thinking today, am i going to have an article jubilee. I was thinking today, am i going to have an article by jubilee. I was thinking today, am i going to have an article by his going to have an article by his wonderful highness Piers Morgan . You are preferring to the british media journalist. The interest i think will also focus on on fact that you know, there has been a lot of talk about diversity, Inclusion And Race and the british Royal Family, triggered very much for, brought to the foreby the comments the Duke And Duchess of sussex made to Oprah Winfrey in march this year, mine what was your reaction to that . I actually am not going to comment too much on that, this is all im going to say, this is what i said to my friend when i was watching it in the room, and this is what i am going to say now. It was sad for me, knowing princess diana, to see that her two boys were not on good terms. As a mother, that is the last thing you want top happen with your boys. She is no longer here, that is her legacy, is her two boys, you dont want to see that happen. But legacy, is her two boys, you dont want to see that happen. Legacy, is her two boys, you dont want to see that happen. But it was the asect want to see that happen. But it was the aspect of want to see that happen. But it was the aspect of race, want to see that happen. But it was the aspect of race, really want to see that happen. But it was the aspect of race, really that want to see that happen. But it was the aspect of race, really that i the aspect of race, really that i was more interested in. The race. Because prince was more interested in. The race. Because Prince Harry was more interested in. The race. Because Prince Harry said was more interested in. The race. Because Prince Harry said he was more interested in. The race. Because Prince Harry said he had i because Prince Harry said he had been involved in conversations at the time it was awkward, i was a bit shocked and he was referring to the concerns articulated by the Royal Family he said, not the queen, about how dark a child he and the duchess might have. So it is that question i wondered what your reflections were on that . ~. ,. Wondered what your reflections were on that . A,. ~ , wondered what your reflections were on that . A,. , ~ , wondered what your reflections were on that . , ~ ,. , on that . More than likely, you have not a on that . More than likely, you have got a household on that . More than likely, you have got a household of, on that . More than likely, you have got a household of, all on that . More than likely, you have got a household of, all ages, got a household of, all ages, different levels ofs a to be is or aristocracy, do i think it was said, probably, absolutely it was said. I am sure. , probably, absolutely it was said. I am sure. Am sure. The palace said recollections am sure. The palace said recollections may am sure. The palace said recollections may vary, L Am sure. The palace said l recollections may vary, but am sure. The palace said recollections may vary, but yeah. How was it said . Dont know, wasnt there, i Cant Comment on something i dont know. I need to hear it for myself. Have i had it said to me . Is what i can talk about my own experience. Yes, many time, ebbs when i understand in my business at 1 years old what i was up against, i opened my mouth and i continued to opened my mouth and i continued to open my howarth and i never closed my mouth and i became labelled for it, and didnt get manyjobs for it, especially here, in united kingdom. You said you had to work twice as hard to become a successful model because you were black. I hard to become a successful model because you were black. Because you were black. I dont complain. Because you were black. I dont complain. I because you were black. I dont complain, i dont, because you were black. I dont complain, i dont, im because you were black. I dont complain, i dont, im a complain, i dont, im a hard working woman, i work hard for everything i have. Sorry to interrupt you, when you say you dont complain are you saying the sussexes are complaining . I talk about myself, i have moved on From the surks sorry. Sorry. I moved on. I talk about my own experience, i Cant Talk about other, i can sit there and watch an interview like everybody else in the world and take, get, this is what i get From it. What i got From that was, as i said it was really for, a friend of mine, who is no longer here, to have her two sons, not on talking term, must be very sad. That is it. You said in an must be very sad. That is it. You said in an interview must be very sad. That is it. You said in an interview in must be very sad. That is it. 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You know, it is like, you dont want to hear From an 18 year old, From south london, how she feels, it is like get in front testify camera and do yourjob and shut up. No, thats not who i am. Im still a human being. [30 shut up. No, thats not who i am. Im still a human being. Shut up. No, thats not who i am. Im still a human being. Do you, and im still a human being. Do you, and i want to im still a human being. Do you, and i want to ask im still a human being. Do you, and i want to ask you im still a human being. Do you, and i want to ask you this im still a human being. Do you, and i want to ask you this in im still a human being. Do you, and i want to ask you this in a im still a human being. Do you, and i want to ask you this in a very i want to ask you this in a very genuine way, because of course, your Well Publicised Cases of a sort, four which took place between 1998 and 2009, to what extent do you think coverage, in the press, Helped Fortify that kind of view of you as an angry black women. If Lisa Smith goes into an restaurant and has an argument with a waiter. She is white. Ii argument with a waiter. She is white. ,. ,. , ,. , argument with a waiter. She is white. ,. , ,. , white. If Naomi Campbell has an Art Ument white. If Naomi Campbell has an argument with white. If Naomi Campbell has an argument with a white. If Naomi Campbell has an argument with a waiter, white. If Naomi Campbell has an argument with a waiter, it white. If Naomi Campbell has an argument with a waiter, it is white. If Naomi Campbell has an argument with a waiter, it is the J Argument with a waiter, it is the spout model Naomi Campbell. 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I stand j by and own my thing, in my past, i always have and always will but i wont be held hostage by it. That i will always say. Everybody has a past. Mine is open and out, maybe it is better than way, i dont have to worry about any bones, but, it doesnt define me as who i am as a woman. It doesnt define me for the things fight door, it doesnt the fine me for the countries and they have supported since 1993. So, these things does not stop me for continuing my mission i have within myself. Not because someone has told me to do it. Has never been about i am telling you neigh do this. You are a terrific am telling you neigh do this. You are a terrific role am telling you neigh do this. You are a terrific Role Model for so many black women, particularly in fashion and the fact you have overcome many obstacles and as you said issued of race the rise to the top of the Fashion World. I was in the audience in 2017 at a womens summit in london when you were talking to the Interviewer Nancy gibbs and we know the Fashion World is highly pressured and you said i worked so much at the beginning, i never took a break and then you went on the discussing your problems with Substance Abuse and you mentioned how Drug Use fuelled some o your outburst, now that you are taking this Landmark Step in your career where this high Profile Position as globaL Ambassador, where this high Profile Position as globalambassador, i where this high Profile Position as globaL Ambassador, i wonder how you reflect and explain that part of your life . I reflect and explain that part of our life . ,. , your life . I would explain it is the same way your life . I would explain it is the same way i your life . I would explain it is the same way i am your life . I would explain it is the same way. I am a your life . I would explain it is the same way. I am a human your life . I would explain it is the same way. I am a human being, ij your life . I would explain it is the same way. I am a human being, i make same way. Iam a human being, i make mistakes, and nothing will change, i will explain it the same way, because people can, if you go through your mistake, own them, look yourself in the mirror, take heed, and move forward, and be enlightened and move forward, and be enlightened and be open, top change, i think everyone, everyone deserves to have that chance in their life, for change. That chance in their life, for chance. � ,. , that chance in their life, for chance. �. ,. ,. , that chance in their life, for chance. �. ,. , change. And you managed to bring about that change, change. And you managed to bring about that change, i change. And you managed to bring about that change, i mean change. And you managed to bring about that change, i mean how change. And you managed to bring about that change, i mean how did you manage it . Im about that change, i mean how did you manage it . About that change, i mean how did you manage it . Im very, i am very with myself you manage it . Im very, i am very with myself straightforward, you manage it . Im very, i am very with myself straightforward, and i you manage it . Im very, i am very. With myself straightforward, and not like, i dont live in a denial. So to speak. 50 like, i dont live in a denial. So to speak like, i dont live in a denial. So to seak. ,. , to speak. So accepting there is a roblem to speak. So accepting there is a problem and to speak. So accepting there is a problem and acting to speak. So accepting there is a problem and acting on to speak. So accepting there is a problem and acting on it. To speak. So accepting there is a problem and acting on it. Acting| to speak. So accepting there is a I Problem and acting on it. Acting on it. Absolutely. Problem and acting on it. Acting on it. Absolutely. And problem and acting on it. Acting on it. Absolutely. And Talking Problem and acting on it. Acting on it. Absolutely. And talking about i it. Absolutely. And talking about the pressures it. Absolutely. And talking about the pressures that it. Absolutely. And talking about the pressures that models the pressures that models experience, particularly those who get to the top, we are all mindful of the fact there are a lot of allegations of Sexual Abuse that took place in the Modelling World and perhaps take place now and the former First Lady of france says of the Fashion World it is an is industry with a lot of young people, a lot of young flesh for predator, did you yourself come under that kind of pressure, and, or were you aware of what was going on . Ok. Kind of pressure, and, or were you aware of what was going on . Ok, so, i was not aware of what was going on . Ok, so, i was not aware aware of what was going on . Ok, so, i was not aware of aware of what was going on . Ok, so, i was not aware of what aware of what was going on . Ok, so, i was not aware of what was aware of what was going on . Ok, so, i was not aware of what was going i aware of what was going on . Ok, so, i was not aware of what was going on| i was not aware of what was going on 100 , did i have, did i ever have those advances when i was 16, 17 . Absolutely. But, again, i had a mouth, i was shy, but i had a mouth when i knew something was morally wrong, so i had these wonderful legendary designers around me, so i could go to these men, and i could tell them, if someone had come up to me in a way that was not right, and i would and i did, and they were my protectors so i used the people that were, you know, embracing me to protect me. Do were, you know, embracing me to protect me protect me. Do you think it is something protect me. Do you think it is something to protect me. Do you think it is something to do protect me. Do you think it is something to do with protect me. Do you think it is something to do with your i protect me. Do you think it is something to do with your up bringing because you had strong female Role Model, your mother, your late grandmother who brought you up a lot and you sadly lost her this year, your aunts. A lot and you sadly lost her this year, youraunts. Do you a lot and you sadly lost her this year, your aunts. Do you think that helped you . Year, your aunts. Do you think that helped you . That helped you . Definitely. Confront these that helped you . Definitely. Confront these challenges. I confront these challenges. Definitely surrounded by a strong group of women, they dont let you get away with anything, you are not going to slip, you will hear it, and ifeel that going to slip, you will hear it, and i feel that that is why i am the way i feel that that is why i am the way i am, and i am gratefulfor that and it is that way to this very day. You ourself it is that way to this very day. You yourself have it is that way to this very day. You yourself have recently become the mother of a gorgeous little girl, you surprised everybody with the announcement in may. It is difficult to be a mother at any age, but to become a first time mother at the age of 51, i wonderful here you are finding it . I age of 51, i wonderful here you are finding it . Are finding it . I think I Have A Dream child, are finding it . I think I Have A Dream child, she are finding it . I think I Have A Dream child, she is are finding it . I think i have a| dream child, she is wonderful, are finding it . I think I Have A Dream child, she is wonderful, so she so very independent already, very smart, alert, sleeps 12 hours. He is a good girl. Pare very smart, alert, sleeps 12 hours. He is a good girl. He is a good girl. Are you going to instil the values he is a good girl. Are you going to instil the values that he is a good girl. Are you going to instil the values that you he is a good girl. Are you going to instil the values that you were instil the values that you were brought up with to be a strong independent woman . Brought up with to be a strong inde endent woman . ~ ,. , independent woman . Absolutely, right down to the hygiene independent woman . Absolutely, right down to the hygiene part. Independent woman . Absolutely, right down to the hygiene part. Thank independent woman . Absolutely, right down to the hygiene part. Thank you i down to the hygiene part. Thank you for comini down to the hygiene part. Thank you for coming on down to the hygiene part. Thank you for coming on hardtalk. Down to the hygiene part. Thank you for coming on hardtalk. Thank down to the hygiene part. Thank you for coming on hardtalk. Thank you | for coming on hardtalk. Thank you for coming on hardtalk. Thank you for havin for coming on hardtalk. Thank you for having me for coming on hardtalk. Thank you for having me. Thank for coming on hardtalk. Thank you for having me. Thank you for coming on hardtalk. Thank you for having me. Thank you so for coming on hardtalk. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much. J hello there. Weve done pretty well with the sunshine today, plenty of areas were dry, fine, quite warm for central, southern, eastern england, but well continue to see the chance of heavy showers and thunderstorms through the midlands this evening and into the first part of the night. Its not been sunny everywhere, we have had this weak Weather Front bringing more cloud to southern scotland, northern england, wales and the south west. These Weather Fronts will start to reinvigorate as we move through the night. The showers and storms through the midlands fade away, but it is out west where we see to see these Weather Fronts bringing more persistent and at times heavy rain, but the eastern side of england will stay dry, quite mild and muggy here, but further north a bit fresher, particularly where we have any clear spells across the far north of scotland. So for part two of the weekend, we have more Weather Fronts round, so its going to be cloudier generally, certainly to start the day, with outbreaks of rain, some of it quite heavy. The rain, though, becomes confined towards the eastern side of the country through sunday afternoon, particularly eastern england, some heavy thundery bursts. Meanwhile, it brightens up out west, so a better day for wales with some sunshine, one or two showers, though not quite as warm as what well see today. This is Bbc News the headlines at 4 00. Worries over the soaring price of gas. The governments holding urgent talks with Energy Industry bosses its one of those hidden things that has immense repercussions right the way through the sector and i really do think this is a crisis. Holiday firms say they expect a surge in bookings after Travel Restrictions in england are relaxed. This is what weve been waiting for a long time. It takes away all the confusion and thats been one of our biggest barriers and one of the biggest reasons why people havent been wanting to book. France is recalling its ambassadors to australia and the united states, in protest over a Security Deal which also includes the uk. Us armed forces apologise for their � tragic mistake

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