Now On bbc news, its hardtalk with zeinab badawi. Welcome to hardtalk with me, zeinab badawi. My guest in this exclusive interview is One of the queens of fashiOn, the british model Naomi Campbell. In a Landmark Announcement that has the Royal Seal of approval, she becomes the Platinum Jubilee global ambassador for the Onwealth-trust'>Queens CommOnwealth Trust. How well this new Role Fit in with her activism for greater Equality And Diversity . What motivates Naomi Campbell to keep On pushing boundaries . Naomi campbell, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you, zeinab, for having me. Great to see you. Get to see you too. For the Onwealth-trust'>Queens CommOnwealth Trust in tale . What will you do . Really, its similar to what i have been doing except its going to be adding a few different countries, Ones i have been working with already. The younger generatiOn, young businesses, supporting, guiding, mentoring and just uplifting those countries and, you know, i love doing that, so its really, its an hOnour to have this role. And im looking forward. Were you surprised when were given this hOnour, as you put it . Yes, very much so. Why were you surprised . I dOnt know, i really do you just stay in my day, and i was very surprised. Its always, i think, an hOnour when your country of origin asks you to do something. The focus of the Onwealth-trust'>Queens CommOnwealth Trust list coming is educatiOn, employability, envirOnment, fit agriculture, health, inclusiOn, which will you be focusing On . EducatiOn i already do, so i will want to further that because i think that is most definitely important for the young generatiOn, agriculture, tourism. For me, i work with young creators anyway. In africa, South Africa east africa, so really, its just now, for me, enhancing that, and having a great Support Team with the commOnwealth and of the other people that make up the commOnwealth to support me and make it happen so we can push further and harder in getting these things achieved. Because whats amazing is, its all voluntary, so everyOne� s there because they want to be there. I think the support right now is so important, especially with everyOne being so isolated. Sure. You mentiOn africa, and i know that you visited africa a great deal before lockdown. And you have set in the past, i feeljamaican, but i also feel african. Absolutely. And there are designers like the nigerian Kenneth Ize who says you have dOne a great deal to support african fashiOn. So when you are doing this work On behalf of the commOnwealth trust, the Onwealth-trust'>Queens CommOnwealth Trust, is africa going to be a big important area for you, and why is it so important . Africa will always remain important for me, and so i will cOntinue doing what i do for africa as well as the inclusiOn of all the other countries that make up the commOnwealth. Also my heritage country, jamaica. You get to a certain point in your life that you realise that you can use your platform, and you should share your platform. You should make your platform transcend for others. So that is really, i feel, i mean, i havent been given a particular handbook of how i do this new role, but i feel itsjust going to be similar been doing, from what i learned from our great madiba. You are referring to nelsOn mandela, who saw you as his hOnorary granddaughter, when you mentiOn madiba. You say, Naomi Campbell, that you want to use this just as a platform to carry On doing the good work that you have dOne, but is this the right platform for you . Let me tell you what philip murphy, director of the institute of commOnwealth studies, says about the commOnwealth. He says, its very good at pumping out those lovely Candy Floss soundbites about how its going to solve world peace, save the Rainforest And End world poverty, but you eventually ask the questiOn, what have you actually achieved and you are faced with shocked silence. Does the commOnwealth actually give you much to do . I mean, me, as a persOn, i feel like all who know me, whether you know me or dOnt, you know that i am a persOn of actiOn. So if im going to commit to myself to any type of organisatiOn worldwide, its because i am willing to do the work. Otherwise i would not be there, i would not be committed and i would not be sitting here. But is the commOnwealth the right vehicle for you . Some people say its just an imperial relic, post imperial relic. I feel the commOnwealth is because these are countries that they do care about. So it gives me a platform that i can now go in there and really try and get things dOne and bring these ideas of the young generatiOn to the forefrOnt and try to see it through from a to z. All right, so that is the Onwealth-bit'>CommOnwealth Bit of the Onwealth-trust'>Queens CommOnwealth Trust, but how do you recOncile the bit that says the queen . Because you know very well that there is a live debate in the caribbean, your own country of origin, jamaica, about whether they should lose the queen as head of state. Barbados does at the end of november. Carolyn cooper from the University Of The West Indies says its high time forjamaica to complete the process of emancipatiOn from the british mOnarchy. Its a very tough questiOn to ask me, but i always feel with Myjamaican Heritage that jamaica is independent anyway. Theyve got their independence, but i guess they want to be completely free from the Ony'>British ColOny or colOnisatiOn, you know, ifeel this goes into a deeper cOnversatiOn, and i feel the whole Windrush Scandal Hasnt really helped in that way as being embraced. I should just mentiOn the Windrush Scandal is that ship that brought many immigrants into the united kingdom from the caribbean. So i understand, its no shock to me, but i understand where the hurt and the frustratiOn comes from. Because the descendants of those original windrush immigrants, some of them were told that they had no right to remain in the united kingdom when they had been born and bred here. So you think that had a direct impact . I do believe so, i do believe so. And your grandparents came with the windrush, did you feel persOnally affrOnted . I did, and i was actually invited to number ten for an event, and after the mistake of being, a faux pas, had been said, and i refused because i felt like i was being used to, ok, lets get Naomi Campbell in here, it will make it look like its ok if she comes. I will never go against my people. Never. Thats when Therese May was prime minister. Thats when she was pm, so i refused and said no thank you, im not to attend. I did go quietly to see theresa may before she left number 10 and she, she admitted she wasnt acting like she didnt, she knew she had dOne something, a mistake, and upset a lot of people had hurt a lot of peoples feelings, but its also, you have to remember, its like, this is their foundatiOn of where they came from and coming to this country, so it was deep, it was a very deep wound that she opened. Right. Another hot On-issue'>ButtOn Issue that is being discussed right across the caribbean, including caricom, supports reparatiOns, and Olivia Graham says we are hoping for repertoryjustice in all forms to address this, its well overdue. So following that idea, would you like to see reparatiOns for slavery . Absolutely, 100 . There should be reparatiOns. Why not . Why cant we go to the hague and get reparatiOns . So you are representing the Onwealth-trust'>Queens CommOnwealth Trust as this global ambassador and yet you want in her majesty� s name to see reparatiOns. I believe there should be reparatiOns. Other cultures have gotten reparatiOn. You dOnt see any inherent cOntradictiOn of being a global ambassador for the Onwealth-trust'>Queens CommOnwealth Trust and then also think that we have to have reparatiOns . Well, other cultures have had it, and. You know, for it, for what they had been through. For the lives that were ruined. I dOnt see why they shouldnt. Ok, fairenough. So, look, there is going to be a lot of interest generated by this announcement that you are the Platinum Jubilee ambassador marking the queens Platinum Jubilee next year. I was thinking today, how am i going to have an article by his wOnderful highness, piers morgan. You are referring to the british media journalists. The interest i think will also focus On the fact that, you know, there has been a lot of talk about diversity, On-and-race'>InclusiOn And Race and the british royalfamily triggered very much by, brought to the fore by, the comments the Duke And Duchess of sussex, comments made to Oprah Winfrey in march this year. What was your reactiOn to that . I actually am not going to comment too much On that. This is what im going to say, this is what i said to my friends when i was watching it in the room, and this is what im going to say now, it was sad for me knowing princess diana, to see that her two boys were not On good terms. As a mother, thats the last thing you want to happen with your boys. Shes no lOnger here, thats her own, thats her legacy, her two boys, you dOnt want to see that happen. But it was the aspect of race, really, that i was more interested in asking about, because Prince Harry said he had been involved in cOnversatiOns at the time it was accurate, i was a bit shocked and he was referring to the cOncerns articulated by a member of the wrath and he said, about how dark any future child that he and the duchess of sussex might have. So its that questiOn, really, and i wOndered what your reflectiOns were On that. More than likely, you have got a household of. All ages. Different levels of aristocracy, aristocrats, do i think it was said . Probably, absolutely it was sad. Buckingham palace said recollectiOns may vary, but, anyway, yeah. How was it said . I dOnt know, i wasnt there. I cannot comment On something i dOnt know, i wasnt there, i need to hear it for myself. Have i had it said to me as well . I can talk about my own experience. Yes, many times. When i understood in my business at 18 years old, what i was up against, i opened my mouth and i cOntinued to open my mouth, and i never closed my mouth and i became labelled for it, and didnt get manyjobs for it, especially here in the united kingdom. You said you had to work twice as hard to become a successful model because you are black. Yes, and i dOnt complain, im a hard working woman can i work hard for everything i have. So when you say, sorry to interrupt you, when you say i dOnt complain, are you implying there the sussexes have been complaining . You know, now, im talking about myself. I have moved On from the sussexes, sorry. Sorry i moved On. I talk about my own experience, i cannot talk about others. I can sit and watch an interview like anybody else the world and say this is what i get from it, but really, but i got from that was, for a friend of mine who is no lOnger here to have her two sOns not On talking terms must be very sad. Thats it. You said in an interview in Harpets Bazaar Magazine in 2020 that the whole world is addressing racism, so england is going to have to deal with that and of course, we had the George Floyd Murder in may which triggered the odd lot of Soul Searching of Race And Diversity and so On. Do you support to blm yourself . Its not that i dOnt support or support, blm came about and has been existing for how many years . I dOnt know. It started, oh, quite a while ago at least ten years ago. Ok, i have been modelling for 35 years. So for me, the way i have been speaking was like black lives matter without knowing it, so now we have an actual hub with a name and a label and a society and an organisatiOn and so i feel like its why Is Itjust now that we have this permissiOn, we feel that we can no. Speak when you want to speak. Speak when when you see things that are unjust. So you are not bothered by the label, blm, you dOnt support it . I disappointed, but i have been doing blm, what im saying is blm is not new for me, blm is part of my life. Since i understood the effects of what racism can do and what racism can cause. And so for me can at 18 years old, i have been doing blm since i was 18 years old, lets put it that way. But not defending the police and all of that . But not defunding the police and all of that . No, not defunding the police, specifically racism. My business of fashiOn, how i was treated, i will always go back to myself experience, because i cannot take and criticise and speak On another� s experience. I dOnt know what it feels like. Sure. You have been talking about racism for a lOng time, as say, but One phenomenOn thats more cOntemporary. Aswe as we heard in the euro finals. Which was really, i sat there watching that i was in los angeles, and i sat there watching that and as soOn as possible ball didnt going in, i turned around and i said, i really hope that they give security to these boys because and i really hope its not going to happen, but i knew it was going to happen. What, the Online racial abuse . The Online racial ideas, yes. Have you had any of that . Of course. You have On'>12 MilliOn followers On instagram. Many times. I mean, Cyber Attack last year, just fallacious, disgracful. It was me with a big group of people, a lot of those people went quiet, i didnt. I will not go quiet. What kind of Things Ray said to you Online . What kind of things were said to you Online . Just like me you know, if you are going to sit behind a computer and write terrible things to people, you are a coward. I dOnt have time for you. Im not going to make you silence me. Im not a coward. You have also said in american vogue in December 20 2010 the angry black Women Label has been used against me many time youre talking about how the media in general has treated you and what for . To silence me . Well, here i am. Why do you think you have had this kind of coverage . Because i open my mouth. You dOnt, you know, its like you dOnt want to hear from an 18 year old from OndOn'>South LOndOn how she feels. Its just get in frOnt of the camera and do yourjob and shut up. No, thats not who i am. I am still a Human Being. But do you and i want to ask you this in a very, you know, cases of assaults. Of course. Four of which took place between 1998 2009. To what extent do you think, you know, coverage in the press Helped Fortify that kind of view of you as an angry black women . Like you know if Lisa Smith goes into a restaurant and has an argument with a waiter then Lisa Smith has an argument with a waiter but if Naomi Campbell goes into a restaurant and has an argument with a waiter, oh, the black model. And it is so embedded that way that maybe you just dOnt even realise it any more and. You dOnt think that your actiOns in any way may have warranted that perceptiOn for some people . You think its entirely a functiOn of the air, you think it is entirely as a functiOn of your race . I stand by my own things with my past, i always have and i always will, and i have dOnt want to be held hostage by it and i will always say that. EveryOne has a past, my knees open and out and maybe it is better that way and i dOnt have to worry about bOnes but. It does not define me as who i am as a woman and it does not define me for who i am, for the things that i fight for, it does not define me for the countries and that ive supported since 1993. So these things does not stop me from being and cOntinuing my missiOn that i have within myself. Not because someOne has told me to do it, it has never been about im telling you, naomi, do this. , �. ,. , this. Youre a terrific Role Model for this. Youre a terrific Role Model for so this. Youre a terrific Role Model for so many this. Youre a terrific Role Model for so many black| this. Youre a terrific Role Model for so many black women, especially women in fashiOn and someOne, and also the fact that youve overcome many obstacles and as you said, you know, this use of race to rise to the fact of top of the On-world'>FashiOn World and i was in Womens Summit in lOndOn in 2017 when you are speaking to the Interviewer Nancy gibbs and we know that the On-world'>FashiOn World is highly pressured and you said i worked so much at the beginning and i never took a break and then you went On there and discussed your problems with Substance Abuse and you mentiOned Drug Use fuelled some of your outbursts and now that you are taking this Landmark Step in your career with his very high On'>Profile PositiOn as global ambassador, for the Onwealth-trust'>Queens CommOnwealth Trust, i wOnder how you reflect and explain that part of your life. I how you reflect and explain that part of your life. That part of your life. I will explain it that part of your life. I will explain it the that part of your life. I will explain it the same that part of your life. I will explain it the same way, l that part of your life. I will. Explain it the same way, im a Human Being and i make mistakes. And nothing will change, i will explain it exactly the same way, because people can if you can go through your mistakes, own your mistakes, look yourself in the mirror and take Heed And Move forward and be enlightened and be open to change, i think everyOne, everyOne deserves to have that. That chance in their life, for change. Life, for change. And he managed life, for change. And he managed to life, for change. And he managed to bring life, for change. And he j managed to bring about life, for change. And he managed to bring about this change. I mean, how did you manage it . You managed. Im manage it . You managed. Im not. Manage it . You managed. Im not im manage it . You managed. Im not im very manage it . You managed. In not. Im very with myself straightforward and not, like, i dOnt live in a denial. So to speak. I dOnt live in a denial. So to seak. ,. , i dOnt live in a denial. So to seak. ,. , speak. So accepting that there is a problem speak. So accepting that there is a problem and speak. So accepting that there is a problem and then speak. So accepting that there is a problem and then acting l speak. So accepting that there l is a problem and then acting On it . �. , is a problem and then acting On it . Absolutely. It . Acting On it. Absolutely. Talkinu it . Acting On it. Absolutely. Talking about it . Acting On it. Absolutely. Talking about the it . Acting On it. Absolutely. Talking about the pressuresj talking about the pressures that models experience, particularly those who get to the top, we all mindful of the fact that there are a lot of of sexual abuse that took place in the modelling world, perhaps even take place now, and the former First Lady of france was a model and a Singer Colour Bruni sarkozy says of the On-world'>FashiOn World its an industry with a lot of young people and a lot of young flesh for predictors. Did you yourself come under that kind of pressure . And all you are you aware of what was going On . Qm. Aware of what was going On . Ok, so. I aware of what was going On . Ok, s0 i was aware of what was going On . Ok, so. I was not aware of what was going On . Ok, so. I was not aware aware of what was going On . Ok, so. I was not aware of aware of what was going On . Oi, so. I was not aware of what was going On 100 . Did i have did i ever have those advances when i was 16 or 17 years old . Absolutely. But again, i had a mouth. I was shy but i had a mouth. I was shy but i had a mouth when i knew something was morally wrOng. So i had these wOnderful, legendary designers around me, jennifer psaki, mr sam hOng, so i could go to these men and i could tell them if someOne had come Onto me in a way that was not right, and i would. And i did. And they were my protectors. So i used the people but was, you know, embracing me to protect me. Do ou embracing me to protect me. Do you think its something to do with your upbringing because you have very strOng female Role Models, your mother valerie. Definitely. Ruby, your late grandmother. Brought your late grandmother. Brought you up a Lot And Use at the her this year and your aunt. Crosstalk. This year and your aunt. Crosstalk. Do you think it hels crosstalk. Do you think it helps you . Crosstalk. Do you think it helps you . Definitely helps you . Definitely surrounded helps you . Definitely surrounded by helps you . Definitelyj surrounded by strOng helps you . Definitely surrounded by strOng group of women and i feel that they dOnt let anything, get what you get away with anything, you know, youre not going to slip, youre going to hear it, and i feel that thats why i am the way that i am and im grateful for that and its that way to this very day. For that and its that way to this very day for that and its that way to this very day. And you yourself have recently this very day. And you yourself have recently become this very day. And you yourself have recently become the this very day. And you yourself. Have recently become the mother of a gorgeous little girl, you surprised everybody with the announcement in may. Its difficult to be a mother at any age but to become a first time mother at the age of 51, i wOnder how finding it . Really, im wOnder how finding it . Really, im really wOnder how finding it . Really, im really lucky, wOnder how finding it . Really, im really lucky, i wOnder how finding it . Really, im really lucky, i think wOnder how finding it . Really, im really lucky, i think i im really lucky, i think I Have A Dream child. She is wOnderful. Shes so. Very independent already. Very smart. Alert. Sleeps 12 hours. She is a good girl. 50 smart. Alert. Sleeps 12 hours. She is a good girl. She is a good girl. So youre not. She is a good girl. So youre not are she is a good girl. So youre not. Are you she is a good girl. So youre not. Are you going she is a good girl. So youre not. Are you going to she is a good girl. So youre. Not. Are you going to instill the values that you were brought up with to be a strOng independent woman . Absolutely, ri. Ht down independent woman . Absolutely, right down to independent woman . Absolutely, right down to the independent woman . Absolutely, right down to the hygiene independent woman . Absolutely, right down to the hygiene part. I right down to the hygiene part. Naomi campbell, thank you so much for coming On. Naomi campbell, thank you so much for coming On. Thank you so much for much for coming On. Thank you so much for having much for coming On. Thank you so much for having me. Hello. Well, most of us had some pretty decent weather On thursday, some warm spells of sunshine. Fridays not looking bad for most of us, but not for everybody we are expecting some rain across Western Parts of the uk. And On the satellite picture, you can see the reasOn a Ont'>Weather FrOnt is approaching. In fact, its already been cloudy and damp across Northern Ireland and parts of Western Scotland. And this Ont'>Weather FrOnt, as it approaches the british isles, it is slowing down and, in fact, its going to stall across Western Parts of the uk over the next 2 3 days. So here it is through the early hours of the morning, approaching Western Parts of the uk. As i said, its already damp in the North West but very mild these warm southerlies ahead of it mean that temperatures in some spots in the North West wOnt be any lower than 15 degrees first thing in the morning. So warm and damp and wet at times in Northern Ireland and Western Scotland through the morning and into lunchtime, but around the irish sea, wales, the south west cloudy with rain at times. Further towards the east, especially across england, its looking absolutely fine. Warm spells of sunshine with temperatures up to 21 degrees. Its going to be a fine day across many parts of england. Heres a look at saturday, and the Ont'>Weather FrOnt is still over us. Theres actually not an awful lot of rain On saturday just bits and pieces here and there out towards the west. Again, the best of the weather will be across central and eastern areas. The winds are still very light, so nothings really moving around across the uk, so where the cloud is and the rain, its still out towards the west. Here are the temperatures 17 degrees in glasgow, around about 22 in england. Now, the forecast for sunday shows that that Ont'>Weather FrOnt� s still there. If anything, it re invigorates itself that is sometimes what happens so therell be more rain around On sunday, i think a greater chance of catching some rain almost anywhere in the uk. So, out of the two days, saturday is definitely going to be the sunnier day for most of us. You can see that rain reaching some central and eastern Areas End of the weekend. How about into next week . A quick look at the weather for mOnday and tuesday. Here are the temperatures and the weather looks a little variable. Bye bye. Thats it. This is bbc news, im Alice Baxter with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. 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