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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. With me arejessica elgot, Deputy Political Editor at The Guardian, and martin bentham, home Affairs Editor for the evening standard. Lets take a look at some of tomorrows front pages. The metro focusses on the news that the government has backed the uks chief medical Officers Advice to offer vaccines to 12 to 15 year olds. Meanwhile, The Guardian reports that borisjohnson is to confirm Booster Jabs for Over 50s tomorrow. The Financial Times reports that the Prime Ministers plans for a tunnel between scotland and Northern Ireland have been killed as part of a treasury spending crackdown. And the telegraph reports on the news that the Prime Ministers mother, charlottejohnson wahl, has died at the age of 79. The paper shows a picture of the two of them together. Mrjohnson described her as the Supreme Authority in his family. Lets Ta Ke lets take a look at the Ranger Stories a range of stories facing us. Most of them start with the expansion of the vaccination programme. Jessica, were looking at the metro to begin with. This is something that a number of other countries have been doing for quite some time. Help us understand this. To begin with, one committee said no need on medical grounds. Now the chief medical grounds. Now the chief medical officers are saying off you go . Medical officers are saying off you 0 . � ,. , ~ medical officers are saying off you. 02 � ,. ,~. ,~ medical officers are saying off you no . � ,. , medical officers are saying off you go . Its taking taken a really long time to get go . Its taking taken a really long time to get to go . Its taking taken a really long time to get to this. Go . Its taking taken a really long time to get to this. There go . Its taking taken a really long l time to get to this. There has been Agreement Dot Hasnt been agreement. To get these jabs rolled out, maybe even before the school holiday. But the Vaccination Effort on the medical grounds is to finally be balance. Although there are very rare Side Effects for vaccinations, its also rare that they get very sick with covid. Therefore, the balance is against intervention, but they also, there are other grounds to consider. Chris whitty was asked to consider. Chris whitty was asked to look at the social grounds, so what it means for children to be out of schools. On that basis, and the middle ground, thats why they offer jabs to 12 to 15 year olds. Its really difficult and there hasnt been consistent. Really difficult and there hasnt been consistent. Martin, was this a case of the been consistent. Martin, was this a case of the government been consistent. Martin, was this a case of the government wanting. Been consistent. Martin, was this a case of the government wanting to | case of the government wanting to vaccinate 12 to 15 year olds, and shopping around for the right advice was blue i think as shopping around for the right advice was blue i thin was blue i think as Jessica Ust said, its was blue i think as Jessica Ust said. Its a fi was blue i think as Jessica Ust said, its a very i was blue i think as Jessica Ust said, its a very finely was blue i think as jessica just | said, its a very finely balanced decision said, its a very finely balanced decision. The government has to take a broader decision. The government has to take a broader view as well. Its about the social a broader view as well. Its about the social benefits of being in schools the social benefits of being in schools for children and the psychological benefits that are being psychological benefits that are being weighed in by Prime Ministers. And by being weighed in by Prime Ministers. And by chris being weighed in by Prime Ministers. And by Chris Whitty. Theyve been talking and by Chris Whitty. Theyve been talking about this, so the Jc Cvi has looked strictly has looked at the medical facts alone. I think its entirely legitimate to do, and the valance is slightly tipped in Their the valance is slightly tipped in Their favour. The fallback is every parent Their favour. The fallback is every parent wiii Their favour. The fallback is every parent will have the right to give Their parent will have the right to give Their consent or not the jcvi. I think Their consent or not the jcvi. I think if Their consent or not the jcvi. I think if its Their consent or not the jcvi. I think if its a Their consent or not the jcvi. I think if its a quite a difficult decision think if its a quite a difficult decision for parents. In the case of children. Decision for parents. In the case of children, the risk of covid is very minor children, the risk of covid is very minor relatively speaking. Similarly, a very minor risk of heart similarly, a very minor risk of heart inflammation, which is the Side Effect that can happen really. Its Side Effect that can happen really. Its one Side Effect that can happen really. Its one of Side Effect that can happen really. Its one of the very few people who might its one of the very few people who might get its one of the very few people who might get affected by that. It isnt an easy might get affected by that. It isnt an easy decision for anyone to make. We talked an easy decision for anyone to make. We talked about the low risk to 12 and 15 year olds. Lets look at the next newspaper, which talks about the more vulnerable groups. The Over 50s particularly over 70. Weve sort of seen this coming in recent weeks, suggestions that Booster Programmes will start. But it looks like its about to start. Were expecting a big package of announcement. One of the main ones is to confirm the start of this Booster Jab is to confirm the start of this Boosterjab Programme for over 50. Booster Jab Programme for over 50. It Boosterjab Programme for over 50. It will be similar to the start of this vaccination programme, starting with the older cohort, Over 50s, and towards the younger. Its going to be slightly different to the separate programme which is offering a third jab for people who are Immuno Consular nice immunocompromised. Borisjohnson is immunocompromised. Boris johnson is going immunocompromised. Borisjohnson is going to put this programme at the heart of his plan of how things are going to work as we expect the Infection Rates to spike later on in the autumn. Hes pretty clear and Hell Repeal some loss to make that clear that he wont do another lockdown. The vaccines are supposed to be the line of defence. Does lockdown. The vaccines are supposed to be the line of defence. To be the line of defence. Does this mean, do to be the line of defence. Does this mean. Do you to be the line of defence. Does this mean, do you remember everyone | to be the line of defence. Does this mean, do you remember everyone who got it first . Margaret keenan, then Ian Mckellen. Willoughby rolled out on the cameras . Ian mckellen. Willoughby rolled out on the cameras . On the cameras . Will it be. It doesnt on the cameras . Will it be. It doesnt seem on the cameras . Will it be. It doesnt seem to on the cameras . Will it be. It doesnt seem to very on the cameras . Will it be. It doesnt seem to very high on the cameras . Will it be. It. Doesnt seem to very high takeup, doesnt seem to very high take up, and theres doesnt seem to very high take up, and theres not a lot of persuading to do and theres not a lot of persuading to do a and theres not a lot of persuading to do. A minority of people have been to do. A minority of people have been reluctant to have vaccination. So, probably in the older age groups. So, probably in the older age groups, where the benefits are obviously groups, where the benefits are obviously much greater than they are if youre obviously much greater than they are if youre younger. It may not be necessary if youre younger. It may not be necessary. That was not the start, when necessary. That was not the start, when all necessary. That was not the start, when all of necessary. That was not the start, when all of this. I think the message when all of this. I think the message got across that its not worth message got across that its not worth having. Maybe not, well see. We will worth having. Maybe not, well see. We will see worth having. Maybe not, well see. We will see if Margaret Keenan or evenin we will see if Margaret Keenan or even in mckellen are watches Ian Mckellen are watching. Lets look at the daily mail, which takes a slightly different look. Its decided as if this was a return of the doomed squad. Its like a popular heavy Metal Band getting back together. I popular heavyMetal Band getting back together. Popular heavyMetal Band getting back together. I think theres going to be. Back together. I think theres going to be pretty back together. I think theres going to be. Pretty disappointed back together. I think theres going to be. Pretty disappointed to back together. I think theres going | to be. Pretty disappointed to hear the front page. There was a lot of briefing. Boris was getting ready to promise his backbenchers who made Their thoughts known about Vaccine Pack ports. There wont be a lockdown and theyre going to ditch a lot of provision in the coronavirus act. But hes not ruling them out, and some of those powers will still be retained. There is going to be part of this, including the potential compulsory mass wearing and work from home orders. Potential even for some social distancing measures to be reintroduced if the nhs is under threat. The mail doesnt seem to be full by some of the Cherry News that was briefed by ministers cheery news. There are a lot of powers the government is holding in reserve. Some might say that in eminently sensible, but it wont be for some people. I sensible, but it wont be for some eole. ,. , people. I wonder if professor Chris Whi will people. I wonder if professor Chris Whitty will come people. I wonder if professor Chris Whitty will come out people. I wonder if professor Chris Whitty will come out to people. I wonder if professor Chris Whitty will come out to the whitty will come out to the next News Conference in a doomed squad t shirt. Well see. Do you remember on Sajid Javid was my first day, he said there would not be any more lockdowns Sajid Javids first day. The government is clearly giving itself room for further measures, as perhaps you might expect, given the movement of a virus that keeps changing. I suppose unfortunately. Virus that keeps changing. I suppose unfortunately. L virus that keeps changing. I suppose unfortunately, i can virus that keeps changing. I suppose unfortunately, i can understand virus that keeps changing. I suppose unfortunately, i can understand that| unfortunately, i can understand that simply unfortunately, i can understand that simply a unfortunately, i can understand that simply a little headline, because no one wants simply a little headline, because no one wants to go down that road. Of course, one wants to go down that road. Of course, the one wants to go down that road. Of course, the history shows that we would course, the history shows that we would all course, the history shows that we would all Have Christmas Together, and that would all Have Christmas Together, and that changed. The fact that people and that changed. The fact that people say in government this wont happen, people say in government this wont happen, the history of this pandemic is one happen, the history of this pandemic is one has happen, the history of this pandemic is one has been said, i have. An awful is one has been said, i have. An awful lot is one has been said, i have. An awful lot of is one has been said, i have. An awful lot of flip flopping. Some of it is a awful lot of flip flopping. Some of it is a sensible, but It Doesnt mean it is a sensible, but It Doesnt mean to it is a sensible, but It Doesnt mean to say you can rely absolutely 100 mean to say you can rely absolutely 100 on mean to say you can rely absolutely 100 on what is said at any one moment 100 on what is said at any one moment i 100 on what is said at any one moment. I think the crucial thing will he moment. I think the crucial thing will he is moment. I think the crucial thing will be is there any clarity about when will be is there any clarity about when these positions might be necessary . Again, weve not really have necessary . Again, weve not really have that necessary . Again, weve not really have that. Its all been a bit vague have that. Its all been a bit vague if have that. Its all been a bit vague. If you look at the travel corridors, vague. If you look at the travel corridors, the amber and Red List and so corridors, the amber and Red List and so on. Corridors, the amber and Red List and so on, the actual scientific data and so on, the actual scientific data behind why different countries are on data behind why different countries are on different levels is a little bit opaque. I can understand why people bit opaque. I can understand why people dont want to go down that road people dont want to go down that road why people dont want to go down that road. Why they wouldnt like some of the elements we will see tomorrow. I think the elements we will see tomorrow. Think the the elements we will see tomorrow. I think the Governments Idea of last year might have been for all of us to Have Christmas Together in print to Have Christmas Together in print to more say with our work colleagues. 2021 is a different story. Lets look at the daily telegraph. Below a picture of the Prime Minister and his late mother, just 59 deaths among double jabbed without other illness. Jessica, the operative word might be The Word just. Operative word might be The Word ust. ,. , � , just. Yes, this. To me, its still a surprising just. Yes, this. To me, its still a surprising figure, just. Yes, this. To me, its still a surprising figure, but just. Yes, this. To me, its still a surprising figure, but when just. Yes, this. To me, its still| a surprising figure, but when you look at, theres been 50,000 deaths in england. Obviously for those people, its still a difficult experience. And for Their families. If the ons finds that 256 deaths were considered to be true breakthroughs, where people have been fully vaccinated, but only 59 were people who have no underlying conditions in the average age who have these infections was 8a. Im sure we all heard of people getting sick after being double vaccinated. Myself and my child there and my husband all had covid a few weeks ago. My toddler. Iwas husband all had covid a few weeks ago. My toddler. I was expecting it for to be a breeze. It still a nasty illness that kept me at home. Probably prevented me from feeling much worse if i hadnt had it. But i think it does show that vaccines by and large are really working to prevent hospitalisations and death, even though unfortunately there will always be some of these cases. Im always be some of these cases. Im lad to always be some of these cases. Im glad to know getting well requires getting on the papers. Thats part of your recovery its great to see you looking so well. On the front page of the Financial Times, johnsons £15 million stupid tunnel killed off in Treasury Track down. Sunak saying no to the Prime Minister again. Down. Sunak saying no to the Prime Ministeragain. I down. Sunak saying no to the Prime Minister again. Minister again. I suppose thats a big Infrastructure Minister again. I suppose thats a big infrastructure project. Big infrastructure project. Obviously, a liability, as youve heard obviously, a liability, as youve heard i obviously, a liability, as youve heard. I suppose when the government is constrained for funding, to raise money is constrained for funding, to raise money for is constrained for funding, to raise money for the Health Service and social money for the Health Service and social care, money for the Health Service and social care, then there is an element social care, then there is an element of having to find retrenchment. That would be an obvious retrenchment. That would be an obvious project. There are many other obvious project. There are many other projects that are still going. So, other projects that are still going. So. I other projects that are still going. So. Ithink other projects that are still going. So, i think it does make sense to look so, i think it does make sense to look at so, i think it does make sense to look at them and work out what you need look at them and work out what you need to look at them and work out what you need to prioritise, and if youve ot need to prioritise, and if youve got more need to prioritise, and if youve got more limited resources because of some got more limited resources because of some of got more limited resources because of some of the costs of the pandemic, to focus those on things that are pandemic, to focus those on things that are viable and so on. Its probably that are viable and so on. Its probably not a surprise. It might turn out probably not a surprise. It might turn out to probably not a surprise. It might turn out to be a blessing in the size turn out to be a blessing in the size a turn out to be a blessing in the size a blessing in disguise. How size a blessing in disguise. How does it work . Size a blessing in disguise. How does it work . You size a blessing in disguise. How does it work . You do size a blessing in disguise. Firm does it work . You do politics for a living. The Prime Minister suggests a project. Does the Prime Minister have a right to appeal . How does it work . , ~ , work . Ultimately, the Prime Minister is able to order work . Ultimately, the Prime Minister is able to order Something Work . Ultimately, the Prime Minister is able to order something to is able to order something to happen, but i think if you get. This probably extends to civil servants. If you really want this to happen, its going to cost this many hundreds of billions of pounds. The whole thing will probably take 15 years to build, and after that, it will probably have to be abandoned because its impossible. Any Prime Minister that hasnt completely taken Leave Minister that hasnt completely Ta Ken leave of minister that hasnt completely taken leave of Their senses will probably feel, you know what, take your point. Some of the descriptions of what we need to happen because of how deep the water is in between scotland and ireland, having at least 30 towers taller than any that have ever been built anywhere in the world. When you put it like that, you start to think perhaps. It sounds good on paper, but it

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